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Ozark & the Boeing 727

Wed May 16, 2018 9:48 pm

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How many were ordered?
Did Boeing give Ozark a customer code?
Did OZ ever fly them?
Did they eventually end up @ Eastern?
I think so....but @ EA, they were classified as -225
EA ships 870-892 end with a "Z" in the reg....as does OZ. So that's 23, is that how many OZ ordered?
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Re: Ozark & the Boeing 727

Wed May 16, 2018 10:04 pm

OZ ordered 2 (or two were built). They never operated them, the planes were sold to Pan Am. And yes Boeing gave OZ a customer code-D4.
You can see in your photo that the plane had already been sold to Pan Am and given its PA reg- N362PA.
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Re: Ozark & the Boeing 727

Wed May 16, 2018 10:10 pm

2 were ordered initially but OZ was coming off a mechanic's strike and needed some cash. They sold them to PA IIRC. They never flew for OZ. I remember reading an article in ATW shortly after the sale to PA. OZ really wanted those planes and saw them as a good machine to start ops to the Bahamas and near Caribbean from STL but those routes never materialized, even after OZ ordered MD-80s. I'm sure Boeing had a customer code for them but I don't recall what it was. Maybe a detailed search of PA's 727 registrations might yield some more info.

A fun fact: OZ's last livery, the one shown, was designed in house by Boeing for the 727 but only ended up in service on DC-9/MD-80's!
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Re: Ozark & the Boeing 727

Wed May 16, 2018 10:14 pm

Polot wrote:
OZ ordered 2 (or two were built). They never operated them, the planes were sold to Pan Am. And yes Boeing gave OZ a customer code-D4.
You can see in your photo that the plane had already been sold to Pan Am and given its PA reg- N362PA.

I wonder then why Eastern had that Z suffix :scratchchin:

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Re: Ozark & the Boeing 727

Wed May 16, 2018 10:27 pm

727LOVER wrote:
Polot wrote:
OZ ordered 2 (or two were built). They never operated them, the planes were sold to Pan Am. And yes Boeing gave OZ a customer code-D4.
You can see in your photo that the plane had already been sold to Pan Am and given its PA reg- N362PA.

I wonder then why Eastern had that Z suffix :scratchchin:



I would have to say because that complete block of registrations with the Z suffix was available.
AA AC AS BA BD BF BN BR BY B6 CO CZ DG DL EA EI EN FL FT F9 HA HP ICX JI J7 KE KS LH MC NW OC OO OZ(1) OZ(2) PA PI PT QQ RM RO RV(1) RV(2) RW SK SM SQ S4 TI TS TW UA UK US UZ VS VX WA WN WS W7 XV YV YX(2) ZZ 9K
 
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Re: Ozark & the Boeing 727

Wed May 16, 2018 10:31 pm

727LOVER wrote:

Polot wrote:
OZ ordered 2 (or two were built). They never operated them, the planes were sold to Pan Am. And yes Boeing gave OZ a customer code-D4.
You can see in your photo that the plane had already been sold to Pan Am and given its PA reg- N362PA.

I wonder then why Eastern had that Z suffix :scratchchin:



I don't know, but that last photo was at least 3 years before OZ ordered the 727. Note the old ATL terminal.
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Re: Ozark & the Boeing 727

Wed May 16, 2018 10:32 pm

OzarkD9S wrote:
727LOVER wrote:

Polot wrote:
OZ ordered 2 (or two were built). They never operated them, the planes were sold to Pan Am. And yes Boeing gave OZ a customer code-D4.
You can see in your photo that the plane had already been sold to Pan Am and given its PA reg- N362PA.

I wonder then why Eastern had that Z suffix :scratchchin:



I don't know, but that last photo was at least 3 years before OZ ordered the 727. Note the old ATL terminal.

I’m not sure when exactly OZ ordered the 727 but it wasn’t 3+ years after that photo. The OZ planes were ready late 1979, the ATL midfield terminal didn’t open until September 1980.
 
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Re: Ozark & the Boeing 727

Thu May 17, 2018 2:50 am

According to Wikipedia... Ozark is (edit; was) D4
 
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Re: Ozark & the Boeing 727

Thu May 17, 2018 3:26 am

The EA “Z” were TW spec’d planes that EAL bought from TWA. Internally at EAL, they’re were called Zs. I can’t remember exactly what, but they were less-equipped, IIRC, no CAT III for one.

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Re: Ozark & the Boeing 727

Thu May 17, 2018 4:17 am

Nice livery

Have to say it reminds me of Iraqi airways
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Re: Ozark & the Boeing 727

Thu May 17, 2018 6:07 am

GalaxyFlyer wrote:
The EA “Z” were TW spec’d planes that EAL bought from TWA. Internally at EAL, they’re were called Zs. I can’t remember exactly what, but they were less-equipped, IIRC, no CAT III for one.

GF


The Eastern Zs were delivered between late 76 and late 79 as 225 (A)s. They were ostensibly replacements for the DC-8s (mainly -21s with a few -61s and -63PFs that were retired in 1973 and 1974. The Oil Crisis drove a capacity reduction at Eastern and other airlines, and there was no immediate need to replace the retired -8s. The Zs were the first new aircraft to be delivered to Eastern since 1973.

In late 1980, 727-225 (A) deliveries commenced again and these registrations were in the N8xxEA series. I believe 22 aircraft were delivered in this batch with one being lost on EA 980 in January 1985. 820, 821 and 822 were the South American 727s delivered with D-17R engines (with auto-reverse); and, I believe, larger tires for hot and high operations. Perhaps someone can confirm thar 819 (lost on 980) did not have the upgraded engines but was scheduled to be retrofitted until it met its untimely end.

I flew N816EA on one of its first revenue flights as a mere kid, It operated fhe early morning LGA-RDU flight that day; was shiny as a new penny and had that new car smell.

In 1980, Eastern also took delivery of the former PSA -214s and -254s. These were painted grey and operated Shuttle flights, along with some system flights. The PSA aircraft were all-coach.

The two Ozark -200s described in this thread retained their -2D4 (A) designation.and were originally destined to carry registrations ending in ZK.
 
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Re: Ozark & the Boeing 727

Thu May 17, 2018 9:03 am

millionsofmiles wrote:
GalaxyFlyer wrote:
The EA “Z” were TW spec’d planes that EAL bought from TWA. Internally at EAL, they’re were called Zs. I can’t remember exactly what, but they were less-equipped, IIRC, no CAT III for one.

GF


The Eastern Zs were delivered between late 76 and late 79 as 225 (A)s. They were ostensibly replacements for the DC-8s (mainly -21s with a few -61s and -63PFs that were retired in 1973 and 1974. The Oil Crisis drove a capacity reduction at Eastern and other airlines, and there was no immediate need to replace the retired -8s. The Zs were the first new aircraft to be delivered to Eastern since 1973.

In late 1980, 727-225 (A) deliveries commenced again and these registrations were in the N8xxEA series. I believe 22 aircraft were delivered in this batch with one being lost on EA 980 in January 1985. 820, 821 and 822 were the South American 727s delivered with D-17R engines (with auto-reverse); and, I believe, larger tires for hot and high operations. Perhaps someone can confirm thar 819 (lost on 980) did not have the upgraded engines but was scheduled to be retrofitted until it met its untimely end.

I flew N816EA on one of its first revenue flights as a mere kid, It operated fhe early morning LGA-RDU flight that day; was shiny as a new penny and had that new car smell.

In 1980, Eastern also took delivery of the former PSA -214s and -254s. These were painted grey and operated Shuttle flights, along with some system flights. The PSA aircraft were all-coach.

The two Ozark -200s described in this thread retained their -2D4 (A) designation.and were originally destined to carry registrations ending in ZK.



Great 727 stuff, an epic aircraft



Just one thing, none of the 727’s (or any other aircraft for that matter) have ‘auto reverse’ whatever that means!


The ‘R’ in JT8D17R stands for reserve power, if an engine failure is detected with the system armed it automatically increases the thrust on the remaining engines by 1000 pounds providing more of a safety margin in high / hot operations such as Eastern’s South America route system.


The MD80 had a similar system
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Re: Ozark & the Boeing 727

Thu May 17, 2018 9:16 am

Max Q wrote:
millionsofmiles wrote:
GalaxyFlyer wrote:
The EA “Z” were TW spec’d planes that EAL bought from TWA. Internally at EAL, they’re were called Zs. I can’t remember exactly what, but they were less-equipped, IIRC, no CAT III for one.

GF


The Eastern Zs were delivered between late 76 and late 79 as 225 (A)s. They were ostensibly replacements for the DC-8s (mainly -21s with a few -61s and -63PFs that were retired in 1973 and 1974. The Oil Crisis drove a capacity reduction at Eastern and other airlines, and there was no immediate need to replace the retired -8s. The Zs were the first new aircraft to be delivered to Eastern since 1973.

In late 1980, 727-225 (A) deliveries commenced again and these registrations were in the N8xxEA series. I believe 22 aircraft were delivered in this batch with one being lost on EA 980 in January 1985. 820, 821 and 822 were the South American 727s delivered with D-17R engines (with auto-reverse); and, I believe, larger tires for hot and high operations. Perhaps someone can confirm thar 819 (lost on 980) did not have the upgraded engines but was scheduled to be retrofitted until it met its untimely end.

I flew N816EA on one of its first revenue flights as a mere kid, It operated fhe early morning LGA-RDU flight that day; was shiny as a new penny and had that new car smell.

In 1980, Eastern also took delivery of the former PSA -214s and -254s. These were painted grey and operated Shuttle flights, along with some system flights. The PSA aircraft were all-coach.

The two Ozark -200s described in this thread retained their -2D4 (A) designation.and were originally destined to carry registrations ending in ZK.



Great 727 stuff, an epic aircraft



Just one thing, none of the 727’s (or any other aircraft for that matter) have ‘auto reverse’ whatever that means!


The ‘R’ in JT8D17R stands for reserve power, if an engine failure is detected a higher thrust setting is available on the remaining engines, the 17AR engine will increase to a higher level automatically providing more of a safety margin in high / hot operations such as Eastern’s South America route system.


The MD80 had a similar system
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Re: Ozark & the Boeing 727

Thu May 17, 2018 9:29 am

727LOVER wrote:
Did OZ ever fly them?


From a good and rather reliable old source. On the picture you can see it with PA's rego.

N720ZK 2D4(A) 21849/1527 10/79 10/79 NTU; DEL to PA in full OZ colors
N721ZK 2D4(A) 21850/1536 10/79 10/79 NTU; DEL to PA in full OZ colors


http://www.aeromoe.com/fleets/oz.html

Here you can see the postcard published of the first with OZ's N720ZK

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Re: Ozark & the Boeing 727

Thu May 17, 2018 4:03 pm

Correct, there were 3 EA 727s devoted to deep south, pretty much La Paz and ASU with the sole DC-10 flying EZE and SCL. Yes, the Shuttle planes were ex-PSA. I guess 819 had the D-17R engines as I flew in to LaPaz earlier on the trip. I don’t think D15 power would be approved for there.

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Re: Ozark & the Boeing 727

Thu May 17, 2018 4:30 pm

GalaxyFlyer wrote:
The EA “Z” were TW spec’d planes that EAL bought from TWA. Internally at EAL, they’re were called Zs. I can’t remember exactly what, but they were less-equipped, IIRC, no CAT III for one.

GF


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Re: Ozark & the Boeing 727

Thu May 17, 2018 5:24 pm

The EA "Z's" were configured for high density and minimum cabin service. They were very "Lorenzo".
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Re: Ozark & the Boeing 727

Thu May 17, 2018 8:11 pm

Max Q wrote:
millionsofmiles wrote:
GalaxyFlyer wrote:
The EA “Z” were TW spec’d planes that EAL bought from TWA. Internally at EAL, they’re were called Zs. I can’t remember exactly what, but they were less-equipped, IIRC, no CAT III for one.

GF


The Eastern Zs were delivered between late 76 and late 79 as 225 (A)s. They were ostensibly replacements for the DC-8s (mainly -21s with a few -61s and -63PFs that were retired in 1973 and 1974. The Oil Crisis drove a capacity reduction at Eastern and other airlines, and there was no immediate need to replace the retired -8s. The Zs were the first new aircraft to be delivered to Eastern since 1973.

In late 1980, 727-225 (A) deliveries commenced again and these registrations were in the N8xxEA series. I believe 22 aircraft were delivered in this batch with one being lost on EA 980 in January 1985. 820, 821 and 822 were the South American 727s delivered with D-17R engines (with auto-reverse); and, I believe, larger tires for hot and high operations. Perhaps someone can confirm thar 819 (lost on 980) did not have the upgraded engines but was scheduled to be retrofitted until it met its untimely end.

I flew N816EA on one of its first revenue flights as a mere kid, It operated fhe early morning LGA-RDU flight that day; was shiny as a new penny and had that new car smell.

In 1980, Eastern also took delivery of the former PSA -214s and -254s. These were painted grey and operated Shuttle flights, along with some system flights. The PSA aircraft were all-coach.

The two Ozark -200s described in this thread retained their -2D4 (A) designation.and were originally destined to carry registrations ending in ZK.



Great 727 stuff, an epic aircraft



Just one thing, none of the 727’s (or any other aircraft for that matter) have ‘auto reverse’ whatever that means!


The ‘R’ in JT8D17R stands for reserve power, if an engine failure is detected with the system armed it automatically increases the thrust on the remaining engines by 1000 pounds providing more of a safety margin in high / hot operations such as Eastern’s South America route system.


The MD80 had a similar system


Sorry...I was typing late at night and mis-typed. I meant to type "auto-reserve." Serves me right for posting so late.
 
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Re: Ozark & the Boeing 727

Thu May 17, 2018 10:00 pm

It looks like the A/C in the OP's post shows some test equipment installed. A static source trailing cone is installed at the top of the tail and a red test cabin window is installed. I wonder what they were certifying?
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Re: Ozark & the Boeing 727

Thu May 17, 2018 10:09 pm

Airplanes were QD691(LN 1527)/692(LN1536), delivered in October of 1979. Boeing flew them to JFK in late March of 1980 to start operations (I flew N362PA pictured above). Later in life they went to FED.
 
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Re: Ozark & the Boeing 727

Thu May 17, 2018 11:26 pm

millionsofmiles wrote:
Max Q wrote:
millionsofmiles wrote:

The Eastern Zs were delivered between late 76 and late 79 as 225 (A)s. They were ostensibly replacements for the DC-8s (mainly -21s with a few -61s and -63PFs that were retired in 1973 and 1974. The Oil Crisis drove a capacity reduction at Eastern and other airlines, and there was no immediate need to replace the retired -8s. The Zs were the first new aircraft to be delivered to Eastern since 1973.

In late 1980, 727-225 (A) deliveries commenced again and these registrations were in the N8xxEA series. I believe 22 aircraft were delivered in this batch with one being lost on EA 980 in January 1985. 820, 821 and 822 were the South American 727s delivered with D-17R engines (with auto-reverse); and, I believe, larger tires for hot and high operations. Perhaps someone can confirm thar 819 (lost on 980) did not have the upgraded engines but was scheduled to be retrofitted until it met its untimely end.

I flew N816EA on one of its first revenue flights as a mere kid, It operated fhe early morning LGA-RDU flight that day; was shiny as a new penny and had that new car smell.

In 1980, Eastern also took delivery of the former PSA -214s and -254s. These were painted grey and operated Shuttle flights, along with some system flights. The PSA aircraft were all-coach.

The two Ozark -200s described in this thread retained their -2D4 (A) designation.and were originally destined to carry registrations ending in ZK.



Great 727 stuff, an epic aircraft



Just one thing, none of the 727’s (or any other aircraft for that matter) have ‘auto reverse’ whatever that means!


The ‘R’ in JT8D17R stands for reserve power, if an engine failure is detected with the system armed it automatically increases the thrust on the remaining engines by 1000 pounds providing more of a safety margin in high / hot operations such as Eastern’s South America route system.


The MD80 had a similar system


Sorry...I was typing late at night and mis-typed. I meant to type "auto-reserve." Serves me right for posting so late.



Well I thought so, I screwed up when I tried
to edit my reply


Though I was thinking about how ‘auto reverse’ would work !
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Re: Ozark & the Boeing 727

Thu May 17, 2018 11:56 pm

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Nice livery

Have to say it reminds me of Iraqi airways


I had the same two thoughts.

I'm finding the blue with red on white of the US legacy Big 3 to be rather boring, so I like Ozark's green.
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Re: Ozark & the Boeing 727

Fri May 18, 2018 9:43 pm

OzarkD9S wrote:
A fun fact: OZ's last livery, the one shown, was designed in house by Boeing for the 727 but only ended up in service on DC-9/MD-80's!


The trapezium on the tail really looks like TW.
 
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Re: Ozark & the Boeing 727

Fri May 18, 2018 9:52 pm

SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
OzarkD9S wrote:
A fun fact: OZ's last livery, the one shown, was designed in house by Boeing for the 727 but only ended up in service on DC-9/MD-80's!


The trapezium on the tail really looks like TW.


Yeah I always thought the same thing, and it’s ironic that TWA ended up buying out OZ.
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Re: Ozark & the Boeing 727

Sat May 19, 2018 12:31 am

I think the Zs were system planes 149 passenger, Y & F. The PSA planes were Shuttle.
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