Cathay Pacific because it has not increased its operations in Germany? Germany is the largest European economy and most Asian airlines are very strong in Germany, and compared to other competitors Cathay Pacific offers the lowest capacity with a daily flight with its Boeing 777-300ER with a configuration of 275 passengers in 4 classes Very little Unlike its direct competitor Lufthansa which Airbus 380/340/350 teams and with two flights to Hong Kong from Frankfurt and Munich, other airlines in the area such as Singapore Airlines, Air China, Thai Airways, Korean Air, Asiana Airlines, Vietnam Airlines, China Eastern, China Airlines, All Nippon Airways offer much greater in Frankfurt, an example Vietnam Airlines have 10 weekly flights to FRA between Hanoi (x6) and Ho Chi Minh (x4), China Airlines uses a Boeing 777-300ER 358 passengers, Korean Air uses its elegant Boeing 747-8i of 364 passengers and in 2017 maintained its service throughout the year did not change to the Boeing 777-300ER this winter season, Why Cathay Pacific does not increase your services to Frankfurt or open route to Munich? they are quite profitable destinations and CX is a very premium airline for these markets and a pity that the route to Dusseldorf has fallen, and I am surprised that countries where CX flies such as Spain, Italy and France have more flights than Germany.

They are one of the last major Airlines in Asia Pacific that have no presence in MUC. LH has taken advantage and is now deploying the A380 from MUC to HK daily. #monopoly

They codeshare with LHGroup; simple answer, but one major reason why they could concentrate on other parts in Europe where there isn't so strong competition.

Every airline has their major market weaknesses. Cathays just happens to be Germany.

RainerBoeing777 wrote:

such as Singapore Airlines, Air China, Thai Airways, Korean Air, Asiana Airlines, Vietnam Airlines, China Eastern, China Airlines, All Nippon Airways offer much greater in Frankfurt...

What do their ops have to do with CX? They're not operating between Hong Kong and points in Germany.

Interesting topic. CX gave DUS a go and sadly it did not work out for them. Despite the large catchment area of DUS and the wealth and industry of the Ruhrgebiet, it has become very clear that DUS will never offer the high yields that FRA and MUC offer to airlines. SQ's foray into DUS probably didn't help CX's cause either in terms of connections in the DUS-Southeast Asia market.

The only other cities that have the scale to be attractive for long-haul are Berlin and Hamburg, and again they are very far away from MUC and FRA in terms of yields. BER routes are low yielding in general despite Berlin being the seat of the federal government, the largest metro area in Germany and offering a vibrant start-up and tourism scene. HAM has also failed to keep long-haul routes despite Hamburg being Europe's third largest port of call, a very wealthy city, and a major logistics, editorial and services industry hub in Germany and in Europe in general.

stylo777 wrote:

They codeshare with LHGroup; simple answer, but one major reason why they could concentrate on other parts in Europe where there isn't so strong competition.

They only codeshare with LH and LX on routes to smaller German cities ex FRA and ZRH, not on the longhaul flights.

Bhoy wrote:

They as a oneworld Airline codeshare with a Star one? (Yes, there are some that do, but i don't think CX do with the LH Group...)

Yes they do: https://www.cathaypacific.com/cx/en_JP/ ... ement.html

Bhoy wrote:

stylo777 wrote:

They codeshare with LHGroup; simple answer, but one major reason why they could concentrate on other parts in Europe where there isn't so strong competition.

They only codeshare with LH and LX on routes to smaller German cities ex FRA and ZRH, not on the longhaul flights.

Yup: https://www.cathaypacific.com/cx/en_JP/ ... ement.html

EddieDude wrote:

Interesting topic. CX gave DUS a go and sadly it did not work out for them. Despite the large catchment area of DUS and the wealth and industry of the Ruhrgebiet, it has become very clear that DUS will never offer the high yields that FRA and MUC offer to airlines. SQ's foray into DUS probably didn't help CX's cause either in terms of connections in the DUS-Southeast Asia market.

The only other cities that have the scale to be attractive for long-haul are Berlin and Hamburg, and again they are very far away from MUC and FRA in terms of yields. BER routes are low yielding in general despite Berlin being the seat of the federal government, the largest metro area in Germany and offering a vibrant start-up and tourism scene. HAM has also failed to keep long-haul routes despite Hamburg being Europe's third largest port of call, a very wealthy city, and a major logistics, editorial and services industry hub in Germany and in Europe in general.

CX dropped DUS for BRU. Not in Germany but...same catchment area !

Cathay Pacific is using their A350-900 for new destinations in Europe like Dublin, Brussels and Manchester. CX flies to the typical cities you expect and some that are surprising like Madrid and Milan as well as Rome. One reason Northern German cities may not do well for Cathay is they to Amsterdam.

There was a facebook post back in January 2018 referring to some frequency additions to FRA being planned. This post (along with other ‘CX Secrets' posts from other posters) can be speculative even though the information could genuinely be from CX internally. I also note a couple of the points in that post have since been announced and being implemented.

https://www.facebook.com/cxsecret/posts ... 4570305777

TBH Germany, and Europe in general, outside of the capitals (and Frankfurt) is difficult for many long-haul airlines. Even more so from east- and south-east Asia. SQ used to fly have only FRA and that Munich flight with the Manchester tag-on. QF completely withdrew.

The only Asian airlines to fly to German cities outside of FRA & MUC are iirc Hainan (PEK-TXL), Singapore airlines (SIN-DUS) and ANA (NRT-DUS). MIAT used to fly ULN-TXL but they moved to Frankfurt. China Eastern briefly tried a Hamburg tag-on to one of their flights but that didn't really work out.

Same in France - I think you can only fly to CDG. The UK at least has some service to Manchester.

mxaxai wrote:

TBH Germany, and Europe in general, outside of the capitals (and Frankfurt) is difficult for many long-haul airlines. Even more so from east- and south-east Asia. SQ used to fly have only FRA and that Munich flight with the Manchester tag-on. QF completely withdrew.

The only Asian airlines to fly to German cities outside of FRA & MUC are iirc Hainan (PEK-TXL), Singapore airlines (SIN-DUS) and ANA (NRT-DUS). MIAT used to fly ULN-TXL but they moved to Frankfurt. China Eastern briefly tried a Hamburg tag-on to one of their flights but that didn't really work out.

Same in France - I think you can only fly to CDG. The UK at least has some service to Manchester.

There's CA flying PEK-DUS also. Not surprisingly, though, SQ, NH, and CA are all in Star Alliances, benefiting from LH. One of the reason why CX ended HKG-DUS is the demise of AB, which means the route become more or less all O&D. With SQ starting SIN-DUS that eliminated for the most part DUS-AusNZ traffic (Not sure how big that is anyway) also.

MIAT still fly to TXL, although it's now ULN-SVO-TXL. The FRA flight is seasonal also.

There's also Scoot, which will start SIN-TXL also next month.

(Of course, if you're talking about "Asian" airlines, there are the likes of Iran Air or Iraqi Airways that fly to "secondary" German cities also).

And CX has definitely been trying to do more with Germany. DUS's failure is a disappointment. FRA is a high-yield destination, and probably the market will grow with more banks moving executive and investment banking positions from London to Frankfurt as a result of BREXIT. It would be interesting to see if CX will try Berlin with A359.

CX, SQ and/or TG should be flying to Portugal.
The asian market here is actually very bad served and almost inexistent (There are only LIS-PEK on capital airlines and it isnt daily and i think that it exists because of politics).
I talked it in a post some days ago.
I think a daily flight of One of those companies to either LIS and/or OPO would help to combat the lack of this service.

The Oneworld alliance is "weak" at FRA. No Feeder flights for Cathay Pacific there. A lot of the airlines mentioned are Star alliance. DUS might have worked if AB had still been around, but that is just speculation.

RainerBoeing777 wrote:

Cathay Pacific because it has not increased its operations in Germany?

What do you mean with this 'question', the first sentence of your post?

MartijnNL wrote:

RainerBoeing777 wrote:

Cathay Pacific because it has not increased its operations in Germany?

What do you mean with this 'question', the first sentence of your post?

Hong Kong and Frankfurt are global leading economic centers, and as the economy is strong there are very few flights between Hong Kong and Germany, Cathay Pacific has very little capacity for years had to increase to Frankfurt or at least launch Munich , it was very wrong to replace the Boeing 747-400 with a Boeing 777-300ER with the same frequencies even if they were added more, I can not understand how Cathay Pacific does not take advantage of a market as potential as Germany, in Italy they fly to Milan and Rome, in Spain fly to Madrid and Barcelona, ​​because they do not open Munich or increase Frankfurt

CX have in the past operated a second FRA service, I remember A343’s several years ago when the 744 still operated.