This week's Aviation Weekly ranks JetBlue's top markets by annual revenue for 12 months ended June 2018.
(I had to approximate the annual revenue per graphic chart posted)

1. JFK-LAX approx 270mil
2. JFK-SFO ~130mil
3. BOS-MCO ~95mil
4. BOS-SFO ~95mil
5. JFK-MCO ~90mil
6. JFK-FLL ~85mil
7. BOS-LAX ~80mil
8. BOS-RSW ~80mil
9. EWR-MCO ~75mil
10. JFK-SJU ~70mil


Also per EVP Marty St.George they are planning “aggressive” route map changes into 2019. Included at risk as destinations in Midwest and smaller Eastern markets.

https://paxex.aero/2018/10/jetblue-aggr ... p-changes/

NWADTWE16 wrote:

Todays airline world is a symptom of the serious illness we have called wall street. To say B6 should not serve an airport because its more suited to an F9 or NK flight is insane. Are you all rolling over and taking it instead of remembering the word competition.
B6 better get itself straight

But in all fairness, if they're not generating a profit on those routes, then why keep them around when the aircraft could be used on routes that would potentially make more money for them? Remember that competition almost never benefits the airline itself, because they're forced into "price wars" with other airlines (like F9 or NK) and more of their resources end up getting used in trying to fight off competition when they could be better used elsewhere.

I certainly hope that SYR and ROC aren't cut, as they're reputation for being "New York's (state) airline" would just dwindle down to mainly JFK with a handful of BUF flights...

B6 is definitely not pulling out of ROC. However IAD and OAK wouldn't surprise me one bit.

B6 is definitely not pulling out of ROC. However IAD and OAK wouldn't surprise me one bit.

LAXintl wrote:

This week's Aviation Weekly ranks JetBlue's top markets by annual revenue for 12 months ended June 2018.
(I had to approximate the annual revenue per graphic chart posted)

1. JFK-LAX approx 270mil
2. JFK-SFO ~130mil
3. BOS-MCO ~95mil
4. BOS-SFO ~95mil
5. JFK-MCO ~90mil
6. JFK-FLL ~85mil
7. BOS-LAX ~80mil
8. BOS-RSW ~80mil
9. EWR-MCO ~75mil
10. JFK-SJU ~70mil


Also per EVP Marty St.George they are planning “aggressive” route map changes into 2019. Included at risk as destinations in Midwest and smaller Eastern markets.

https://paxex.aero/2018/10/jetblue-aggr ... p-changes/

After reading that article. It sounds like PWM and BTV-JFK will go away, but B6 will keep those cities for PWM-FLL, BTV-MCO, etc. Perhaps even less than daily service for those markets. SYR, ROC, BUF to JFK are also likely to see reductions.

They will be more like SWF and HPN are now. Perhaps they could even build those out to cities in the midwest.

spinkid wrote:

LAXintl wrote:

This week's Aviation Weekly ranks JetBlue's top markets by annual revenue for 12 months ended June 2018.
(I had to approximate the annual revenue per graphic chart posted)

1. JFK-LAX approx 270mil
2. JFK-SFO ~130mil
3. BOS-MCO ~95mil
4. BOS-SFO ~95mil
5. JFK-MCO ~90mil
6. JFK-FLL ~85mil
7. BOS-LAX ~80mil
8. BOS-RSW ~80mil
9. EWR-MCO ~75mil
10. JFK-SJU ~70mil


Also per EVP Marty St.George they are planning “aggressive” route map changes into 2019. Included at risk as destinations in Midwest and smaller Eastern markets.

https://paxex.aero/2018/10/jetblue-aggr ... p-changes/

After reading that article. It sounds like PWM and BTV-JFK will go away, but B6 will keep those cities for PWM-FLL, BTV-MCO, etc. Perhaps even less than daily service for those markets. SYR, ROC, BUF to JFK are also likely to see reductions.

They will be more like SWF and HPN are now. Perhaps they could even build those out to cities in the midwest.

I have heard the term "midwest" referred to a few times on this thread, so just for clarification technically the only "midwest" airports B6 serves are MSP, ORD, DTW, and CLE, none of which are markets that B6 will likely grow or cutback drastically

JetBlue is not pulling out of ROC beginning January 8th they are starting. BOS - ROC. It will be one daily flight on the E190.

Flight Schedule
Depart ROC 0950 Arrive BOS 1117
Depart BOS 1430 Arrive ROC 1606

B6 is gonna chase the dollar, as they should. They can’t be all things to all people, but in their core markets their product resonates. Might as well realign around that reality rather than try to please a Senator.

cpl22586 wrote:

JetBlue is not pulling out of ROC beginning January 8th they are starting. BOS - ROC. It will be one daily flight on the E190.

Flight Schedule
Depart ROC 0950 Arrive BOS 1117
Depart BOS 1430 Arrive ROC 1606

This is true, and serves as a MAJOR sigh of relief. ROC, SYR, BUF will always be served by B6 as long as they choose to label themselves as “New York’s Airline”. This add is a very long time coming, and will certainly be a welcome one.

Man, is this list wrong!

JB just announced a new route out of Rochester.

If you guys are going to announce things from the inside… Make sure that it’s correct.

spinkid wrote:

LAXintl wrote:

This week's Aviation Weekly ranks JetBlue's top markets by annual revenue for 12 months ended June 2018.
(I had to approximate the annual revenue per graphic chart posted)

1. JFK-LAX approx 270mil
2. JFK-SFO ~130mil
3. BOS-MCO ~95mil
4. BOS-SFO ~95mil
5. JFK-MCO ~90mil
6. JFK-FLL ~85mil
7. BOS-LAX ~80mil
8. BOS-RSW ~80mil
9. EWR-MCO ~75mil
10. JFK-SJU ~70mil


Also per EVP Marty St.George they are planning “aggressive” route map changes into 2019. Included at risk as destinations in Midwest and smaller Eastern markets.

https://paxex.aero/2018/10/jetblue-aggr ... p-changes/

After reading that article. It sounds like PWM and BTV-JFK will go away, but B6 will keep those cities for PWM-FLL, BTV-MCO, etc. Perhaps even less than daily service for those markets. SYR, ROC, BUF to JFK are also likely to see reductions.

They will be more like SWF and HPN are now. Perhaps they could even build those out to cities in the midwest.

I suspect that lots of people in BTV would be happy to trade JFK for something direct to Florida, even seasonal or lower frequency.

jfklganyc wrote:

Man, is this list wrong!

JB just announced a new route out of Rochester.

If you guys are going to announce things from the inside… Make sure that it’s correct.

Relax

jfklganyc wrote:

Man, is this list wrong!

JB just announced a new route out of Rochester.

If you guys are going to announce things from the inside… Make sure that it’s correct.

To be fair to whoever that was, nothing is "correct" until it's announced. Things change until the send button is hit on the press release. If you want info before it is official it will change by definition. Do you know definitively in your own life whether and when you will buy something, for example, before you actually do it?

Sigh of relief from people in upstate NY

if you don't think Schumer has influence on JetBlue, just look at how much Schumer talked about himself in this article
http://www.wxxinews.org/post/jetblue-of ... and-boston

FA9295 wrote:

flymco753 wrote:

Starting to think DTW & CLE are on the chopping block for the network re structure.

Wasn't DTW added not too long ago?

They did, but if EK is nearing a possible addition at DTW, that virtually kills DTW-BOS and FLL is already weak. If B6 doesn't withdrawal, they could potentially do a once daily MCO where they have enough Central America and Carribean destinations to hurt Delta and there is plenty of leisure travelers.

NWADTWE16 wrote:

IF B6 cuts those cities it only further proves this MGMT team is completely asinine. B6 is "New Yorks Carrier" and that statement isn't about NYC, its about New York State and all the cities they serve. BTV has been around forever and from what I've seen it's well used, same with SRQ. Just because a city is "between" 2 other cities doesn't mean it doesn't warrant its own service. You drive to TPA or RSW when your trying to get to Sarasota/Anna Maria/Longboat Key/Siesta Key etc.

Todays airline world is a symptom of the serious illness we have called wall street. To say B6 should not serve an airport because its more suited to an F9 or NK flight is insane. Are you all rolling over and taking it instead of remembering the word competition.
B6 better get itself straight

This is exactly the attitude JetBlue needs to shed. This isn't a charity -- Wall Street wants to see results, and if the company wants to continue growing (Europe, anyone?), moves like that are going to require backing from the investment community. Of course I don't want to see anyone lose their jobs, and I don't want to see stations close. But reevaluating the network from time to time is a necessary business decision, and to continue serving (potentially money-losing) markets just because "they've been around a long time" is not an attitude that will serve JetBlue well.

Serving SRQ, for example, exacts an opportunity cost on redeploying that asset elsewhere. If JetBlue feels that they can drive more revenue by serving AAA-BBB instead of JFK-SRQ, they should do it.

tphuang wrote:

if you don't think Schumer has influence on JetBlue, just look at how much Schumer talked about himself in this article
http://www.wxxinews.org/post/jetblue-of ... and-boston

The upper staff at B6 speak of Schumer as if he was their grandfather. I think he has A LOT of power. SWF is a great example. Also, the Dems have hopes of regaining the Senate, this would be the wrong time to make waves with him. In a month after the election if the Dems don't have the Senate would be the time to risk that.

jfklganyc wrote:

Man, is this list wrong!

JB just announced a new route out of Rochester.

If you guys are going to announce things from the inside… Make sure that it’s correct.

Well you sort of confirmed DAB though. If they pull DAB I'm going to have a lot of angry relatives LOL.

IAD CM's notified this morning that the axe has fallen

enilria wrote:

tphuang wrote:

if you don't think Schumer has influence on JetBlue, just look at how much Schumer talked about himself in this article
http://www.wxxinews.org/post/jetblue-of ... and-boston

The upper staff at B6 speak of Schumer as if he was their grandfather. I think he has A LOT of power. SWF is a great example. Also, the Dems have hopes of regaining the Senate, this would be the wrong time to make waves with him. In a month after the election if the Dems don't have the Senate would be the time to risk that.

He’s referred to as “Uncle Chuck”

EWR22LAS25 wrote:

IAD CM's notified this morning that the axe has fallen

So that's interesting in that it means their long-haul strategy is not at the core of the shift. Not flying IAD/DCA long-haul takes away a lot of options in that it is the #2 transcon market.

I'm still confused where all these airplanes are going?
They aren't going to FLL, no gates AFAIK.
MCO seems unlikely as the fare environment is not what they want.
EWR is full.
Are they going to do something risky like a build up in AUS/RDU?
BOS is basically full.

I can see them pulling short-haul out of JFK and that list of stations really being those losing JFK flights, but where do the slots go? We knew already they were putting Cape Air at JFK this Winter probably to sit on slots. That tells me they already didn't want to use all their slots before this ever happened. We can assume LGB gets pretty much wiped out. There's a lot of planes to redeploy.

enilria wrote:

EWR22LAS25 wrote:

IAD CM's notified this morning that the axe has fallen

So that's interesting in that it means their long-haul strategy is not at the core of the shift. Not flying IAD/DCA long-haul takes away a lot of options in that it is the #2 transcon market.

I'm still confused where all these airplanes are going?
They aren't going to FLL, no gates AFAIK.
MCO seems unlikely as the fare environment is not what they want.
EWR is full.
Are they going to do something risky like a build up in AUS/RDU?
BOS is basically full.

I can see them pulling short-haul out of JFK and that list of stations really being those losing JFK flights, but where do the slots go? We knew already they were putting Cape Air at JFK this Winter probably to sit on slots. That tells me they already didn't want to use all their slots before this ever happened. We can assume LGB gets pretty much wiped out. There's a lot of planes to redeploy.

See this is what doesn't make sense to me. If they're so focused on growth at JFK, why would they drop so many cities that are served exclusively from JFK?

evank516 wrote:

enilria wrote:

EWR22LAS25 wrote:

IAD CM's notified this morning that the axe has fallen

So that's interesting in that it means their long-haul strategy is not at the core of the shift. Not flying IAD/DCA long-haul takes away a lot of options in that it is the #2 transcon market.

I'm still confused where all these airplanes are going?
They aren't going to FLL, no gates AFAIK.
MCO seems unlikely as the fare environment is not what they want.
EWR is full.
Are they going to do something risky like a build up in AUS/RDU?
BOS is basically full.

I can see them pulling short-haul out of JFK and that list of stations really being those losing JFK flights, but where do the slots go? We knew already they were putting Cape Air at JFK this Winter probably to sit on slots. That tells me they already didn't want to use all their slots before this ever happened. We can assume LGB gets pretty much wiped out. There's a lot of planes to redeploy.

See this is what doesn't make sense to me. If they're so focused on growth at JFK, why would they drop so many cities that are served exclusively from JFK?

They are focused on making money at JFK. I can imagine a strategy to improve their operational performance where they stop trying to connect at JFK and ditch everything "not important to NYC residents" which would mean more transcon/Florida/Caribbean and less of everything else. US Airways was "focused on DCA" for years while flying 1% over minimum slot utilization. It was their most profitable hub by margin.

flymco753 wrote:

Starting to think DTW & CLE are on the chopping block for the network re structure.

You would be highly incorrect then, both the BOS and FLL flights do very well at CLE, none of those are going away, but i cant say anything about DTW given i dont have much knowldge about their air service

enilria wrote:

evank516 wrote:

enilria wrote:

So that's interesting in that it means their long-haul strategy is not at the core of the shift. Not flying IAD/DCA long-haul takes away a lot of options in that it is the #2 transcon market.

I'm still confused where all these airplanes are going?
They aren't going to FLL, no gates AFAIK.
MCO seems unlikely as the fare environment is not what they want.
EWR is full.
Are they going to do something risky like a build up in AUS/RDU?
BOS is basically full.

I can see them pulling short-haul out of JFK and that list of stations really being those losing JFK flights, but where do the slots go? We knew already they were putting Cape Air at JFK this Winter probably to sit on slots. That tells me they already didn't want to use all their slots before this ever happened. We can assume LGB gets pretty much wiped out. There's a lot of planes to redeploy.

See this is what doesn't make sense to me. If they're so focused on growth at JFK, why would they drop so many cities that are served exclusively from JFK?

They are focused on making money at JFK. I can imagine a strategy to improve their operational performance where they stop trying to connect at JFK and ditch everything "not important to NYC residents" which would mean more transcon/Florida/Caribbean and less of everything else. US Airways was "focused on DCA" for years while flying 1% over minimum slot utilization. It was their most profitable hub by margin.

So then why axe DAB and SRQ? They're Florida cities, and frankly they do seem to fill the planes for the most part. Yield may be low, but isn't that all Florida flights from NY?

Then you have OAK and SJC, these are transcons. SJC shocks me with DL starting JFK-SJC and I believe AA as well? Maybe it's just DL. RNO I can see going since New Yorkers go to Vegas, and ABQ really doesn't make much sense.

ABQ, DEN, NAS, PHX, and SLC will be gone?

flymco753 wrote:

FA9295 wrote:

flymco753 wrote:

Starting to think DTW & CLE are on the chopping block for the network re structure.

Wasn't DTW added not too long ago?

They did, but if EK is nearing a possible addition at DTW, that virtually kills DTW-BOS and FLL is already weak. If B6 doesn't withdrawal, they could potentially do a once daily MCO where they have enough Central America and Carribean destinations to hurt Delta and there is plenty of leisure travelers.

There is no B6 withdrawal from DTW. Let's drop this talk. And after the current round of BOS/FLL additions are over, DTW-MCO will be added imo. They've basically put MCO on autopilot recently and the performance in that station has suffered a little bit. Long term, they are going to grow MCO again. Or they would not have asked for 14 gates at the new terminal.

enilria wrote:

EWR22LAS25 wrote:

IAD CM's notified this morning that the axe has fallen

So that's interesting in that it means their long-haul strategy is not at the core of the shift. Not flying IAD/DCA long-haul takes away a lot of options in that it is the #2 transcon market.

I'm still confused where all these airplanes are going?
They aren't going to FLL, no gates AFAIK.
MCO seems unlikely as the fare environment is not what they want.
EWR is full.
Are they going to do something risky like a build up in AUS/RDU?
BOS is basically full.

I can see them pulling short-haul out of JFK and that list of stations really being those losing JFK flights, but where do the slots go? We knew already they were putting Cape Air at JFK this Winter probably to sit on slots. That tells me they already didn't want to use all their slots before this ever happened. We can assume LGB gets pretty much wiped out. There's a lot of planes to redeploy.

btw, i do think axing IAD is a mistake, however

BOS is not basically full. They are in the middle 150s in departure right now and mid 160s at peak. Even with all the additional flights they've scheduled in, it will still be max mid 170s by March/April of next year and it will reduce to 160s after that. They are getting 6 new gates at BOS, which will give them 31 gates eventually. Even accounting for 2 gates used by other airlines, there is plenty of room to grow before they max out. Even if they only do 7 turns per gate, they should be able to get up to 210 daily flights. So there is quite a bit of room. They need to find places to fly.

My assumption is that E90 flights are getting cut at JFK so they can up gauge to places that require larger planes like transcon, Carribbeans and maybe even mid con. That's the only way they can grow at JFK. I don't think what they are doing with Cape Air is slot squatting, they are still at about 150 flights in winter time, which is down from close to 180 flights in summer when they maximize the slot usage. They maximize it to the point that they schedule in almost 10 flights between 5 and 6. Even now in October, they are still at mid 160s in departure. Their capacity at JFK is up YoY. If slot is available in winter, why not lease it to a partner.

They are about to get 5 more gates at FLL, which should allow them to get up to 140 flights eventually. I expect a lot of growth here.

MCO growth would be post 2020 I'm assuming.

I think they've made it clear that until they grow out BOS/FLL and finish upgauging JFK, other stations are going to get ignored.

Which is a shame, but that's their reality. With DL moving in on BOS, they can't stop growing there.

evank516 wrote:

See this is what doesn't make sense to me. If they're so focused on growth at JFK, why would they drop so many cities that are served exclusively from JFK?

free up slots for Caribbean and transcon flights. Those are the most profitable flights in their system. Especially those VFR flights. In some cases like SYR/ROC, reduce JFK flying and sub in with BOS flights, so more connection goes through BOS.

Dieuwer wrote:

ABQ, DEN, NAS, PHX, and SLC will be gone?

ABQ is gone i think.

They do well on NAS out of FLL. Major market. It's not going anywhere.

SLC won't go anywhere. They have a support center there. There is a lot of non-rev filling up flights to JFK and MCO. They just added a daytime flight to JFK.

JFK-PHX is among their most profitable non-mint transcon flight. PHX isn't going anywhere. They should consider putting mint on those flights.

DEN is less profitable, but I think this is one place where they would benefit from going to A321 and keeping that second JFK-DEN flight year round. It's too important of a destination to not serve.

evank516 wrote:

enilria wrote:

evank516 wrote:

See this is what doesn't make sense to me. If they're so focused on growth at JFK, why would they drop so many cities that are served exclusively from JFK?

They are focused on making money at JFK. I can imagine a strategy to improve their operational performance where they stop trying to connect at JFK and ditch everything "not important to NYC residents" which would mean more transcon/Florida/Caribbean and less of everything else. US Airways was "focused on DCA" for years while flying 1% over minimum slot utilization. It was their most profitable hub by margin.

So then why axe DAB and SRQ? They're Florida cities, and frankly they do seem to fill the planes for the most part. Yield may be low, but isn't that all Florida flights from NY?

Then you have OAK and SJC, these are transcons. SJC shocks me with DL starting JFK-SJC and I believe AA as well? Maybe it's just DL. RNO I can see going since New Yorkers go to Vegas, and ABQ really doesn't make much sense.

Well, we don't know what they are doing for sure. DAB is not important to NYC travelers. There may be some New Yorkers with SRQ vacation homes, but they have RSW pretty close. RNO/ABQ agreed.

Dieuwer wrote:

ABQ, DEN, NAS, PHX, and SLC will be gone?

NAS I'd be shocked. They write big checks. DEN no way. SLC has a lot of company history. PHX I'd also be shocked.

tphuang wrote:

There is no B6 withdrawal from DTW. Let's drop this talk. And after the current round of BOS/FLL additions are over, DTW-MCO will be added imo. They've basically put MCO on autopilot recently and the performance in that station has suffered a little bit. Long term, they are going to grow MCO again. Or they would not have asked for 14 gates at the new terminal.

I think the addition of Basic Economy tells me they are struggling against the ULCCs. That does not bode well for FLL/MCO routes. I could imagine them refocusing away from markets with a lot of ULCC share to FLL/MCO.

tphuang wrote:

They are about to get 5 more gates at FLL, which should allow them to get up to 140 flights eventually. I expect a lot of growth here.

When is this? I think the problem in FLL is that CBP is unable to grow for whatever reasons and for it to be a functional hub they need to grow both North and South.

They announced the 5 gates addition at fll in q1 earnings call. They have a huge revenue premium over nk and wn there. It’s their most profitable station for winter and probably spring season. Plenty of growth left to go.

enilria wrote:

evank516 wrote:

enilria wrote:

They are focused on making money at JFK. I can imagine a strategy to improve their operational performance where they stop trying to connect at JFK and ditch everything "not important to NYC residents" which would mean more transcon/Florida/Caribbean and less of everything else. US Airways was "focused on DCA" for years while flying 1% over minimum slot utilization. It was their most profitable hub by margin.

So then why axe DAB and SRQ? They're Florida cities, and frankly they do seem to fill the planes for the most part. Yield may be low, but isn't that all Florida flights from NY?

Then you have OAK and SJC, these are transcons. SJC shocks me with DL starting JFK-SJC and I believe AA as well? Maybe it's just DL. RNO I can see going since New Yorkers go to Vegas, and ABQ really doesn't make much sense.

Well, we don't know what they are doing for sure. DAB is not important to NYC travelers. There may be some New Yorkers with SRQ vacation homes, but they have RSW pretty close. RNO/ABQ agreed.
.

Eh, I wouldn't be so sure about that. Believe me. I'm a New Yorker, and DAB is important to me. There's a larger population of transplanted New Yorkers down there than you think with family still in the area up here. Especially in New Smyrna Beach, Ormond Beach, and Palm Coast which are all very much within DAB's catchement area. For me personally though, I'm Medallion on Delta so if they axe DAB it doesn't hurt ME in any way. I'll just fly Delta instead.

evank516 wrote:

enilria wrote:

evank516 wrote:

So then why axe DAB and SRQ? They're Florida cities, and frankly they do seem to fill the planes for the most part. Yield may be low, but isn't that all Florida flights from NY?

Then you have OAK and SJC, these are transcons. SJC shocks me with DL starting JFK-SJC and I believe AA as well? Maybe it's just DL. RNO I can see going since New Yorkers go to Vegas, and ABQ really doesn't make much sense.

Well, we don't know what they are doing for sure. DAB is not important to NYC travelers. There may be some New Yorkers with SRQ vacation homes, but they have RSW pretty close. RNO/ABQ agreed.
.

Eh, I wouldn't be so sure about that. Believe me. I'm a New Yorker, and DAB is important to me. There's a larger population of transplanted New Yorkers down there than you think with family still in the area up here. Especially in New Smyrna Beach, Ormond Beach, and Palm Coast which are all very much within DAB's catchement area. For me personally though, I'm Medallion on Delta so if they axe DAB it doesn't hurt ME in any way. I'll just fly Delta instead.

Sure, but it has almost zero corporate attachment, and it's pretty much pure leisure. I don't really see a link to any kind of business traffic. If they cut SRQ and DAB, the strategy is the same, RSW and MCO are substitutes. I think that's fair. This has always been DAB's problem. It's not as if B6 isn't covering the market by leaving...if they do.

The argument with a market like MCO or FLL or LAS from NYC is that you lock them into business flying to LAX or ATL or whatever by offering them the ability to use miles to take the family on vacation. I think that argument gets a lot worse in fringe markets like DAB and SRQ.

Dieuwer wrote:

ABQ, DEN, NAS, PHX, and SLC will be gone?

None of those were cut today.

jfklganyc wrote:

Dieuwer wrote:

ABQ, DEN, NAS, PHX, and SLC will be gone?

None of those were cut today.

Then there's nothing left to cut in the "Midwest".

evank516 wrote:

jfklganyc wrote:

Man, is this list wrong!

JB just announced a new route out of Rochester.

If you guys are going to announce things from the inside… Make sure that it’s correct.

Well you sort of confirmed DAB though. If they pull DAB I'm going to have a lot of angry relatives LOL.

I don’t divulge lists… I just said I’ve heard bad rumblings

FLL-PHX added, starting Feb 14th, so PHX is staying. Also added that day: PVD-PBI, FLL-SXM

jfklganyc wrote:

evank516 wrote:

jfklganyc wrote:

Man, is this list wrong!

JB just announced a new route out of Rochester.

If you guys are going to announce things from the inside… Make sure that it’s correct.

Well you sort of confirmed DAB though. If they pull DAB I'm going to have a lot of angry relatives LOL.

I don’t divulge lists… I just said I’ve heard bad rumblings

So have I, but I also heard that any closure of DAB would not be for a while if at all. I maintain that DAB could be salvaged (SRQ too) with the A220. SRQ has seen equipment changes back and forth between the A320 and E190. DAB has been almost exclusively on the A320 since it started with only the random E190 subbed in during the first year of service. Hasn't happened since. 2018 was the first year they didn't bring in the A321 for the Daytona 500 though.

Still no official word on anything re cuts?

Assuming they could source it out properly, DAB and SRQ could be seasonal stations. But that could be more trouble than its worth too.

Meanwhile it’s nice to see the first ever B6 add in PVD since they started in 2012

They should do ROC-FLL in the winter . They'd have the market cornered.

ack426 wrote:

FLL-PHX added, starting Feb 14th, so PHX is staying. Also added that day: PVD-PBI, FLL-SXM

Where are you seeing this? Is PVD-PBI year round? Or just seasonal? Is PHX-FLL going to be a red eye like BOS and JFK are?

mjgbtv wrote:

I suspect that lots of people in BTV would be happy to trade JFK for something direct to Florida, even seasonal or lower frequency.

I’d agree, but I highly doubt they would run direct to Florida service from BTV. It’s been tried and pulled in the past. They can make more money flying the aircraft from another airport. The airport couldn’t support multiple Florida round trips daily and the cost to maintain their presence for a single flight wouldn’t be worthwhile.

I do think BTV would really stand to benefit if they could offer flights to an airport other than JFK where connections could be made.

mjgbtv wrote:

I suspect that lots of people in BTV would be happy to trade JFK for something direct to Florida, even seasonal or lower frequency.

I’d agree, but I highly doubt they would run direct to Florida service from BTV. It’s been tried and pulled in the past. They can make more money flying the aircraft from another airport. The airport couldn’t support multiple Florida round trips daily and the cost to maintain their presence for a single flight wouldn’t be worthwhile.

I do think BTV would really stand to benefit if they could offer flights to an airport other than JFK where connections could be made.

CaptPizzaPants wrote:

WOW!

Of all this, the most surprising to me is the dropping of FLL-PIT/BWI/DTW (LGB is not surprising). These are fairly large markets, although have always been low yielding for B6.

Happy to see the addition of GYE, as well as finally connecting FLL to PHX/SXM and some additional frequencies to the islands.

JFK and BOS look to be picking up a lot of new capacity.

Ugly day at blue jet.

They cant even get the midwest to work out of Florida!

In summary: B6 is putting all its cards on the Caribbean.

Summer only at PWM makes sense in all honesty, but I'm surprised they don't try for winter service to FLL or MCO. There is plenty of demand from Maine to Florida to justify at least some level of service to Florida markets.

To make Dtw/pit/bwi from Fll work, and I been saying this for years, is that they need more freq to better compete, but they are too cheap to buy more airplanes and keep deferring them. I guess when the A220 comes online they will be back. That I will bet my house on.