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F9Animal wrote:I really dislike this trend. It's just becoming nearly extinct to see airlines keep their own behind the counters or on the ramp. Having worked for the actual airlines, I carried a sense of pride, and worked even harder to help make my airline successful.
I also have worked for a contractor. Let me just say, I honestly didn't give a shit. The pay was low, and no benefits. I didn't care if the flight was delayed, or really had the burning desire to go the extra mile. To me, those planes were just planes. I also sensed a similar attitude from my coworkers.
I just really dislike this trend. I feel badly for these employees.
F9Animal wrote:I really dislike this trend. It's just becoming nearly extinct to see airlines keep their own behind the counters or on the ramp. Having worked for the actual airlines, I carried a sense of pride, and worked even harder to help make my airline successful.
I also have worked for a contractor. Let me just say, I honestly didn't give a shit. The pay was low, and no benefits. I didn't care if the flight was delayed, or really had the burning desire to go the extra mile. To me, those planes were just planes. I also sensed a similar attitude from my coworkers.
I just really dislike this trend. I feel badly for these employees.
hayzel777 wrote:This is the industry norm. Airlines normally just maintain a few of their own and contract the rest out. It's what pax dictated when they wanted lower ticket prices.
Antarius wrote:hayzel777 wrote:This is the industry norm. Airlines normally just maintain a few of their own and contract the rest out. It's what pax dictated when they wanted lower ticket prices.
And to be honest, it's not like Iberia is known for its service standards and customer friendly behavior. So it isn't like the end customer is going to notice the difference.
Based on my experiences with Iberia, this actually could improve customer satisfaction. Believe it or not.
F9Animal wrote:I really dislike this trend. It's just becoming nearly extinct to see airlines keep their own behind the counters or on the ramp. Having worked for the actual airlines, I carried a sense of pride, and worked even harder to help make my airline successful.
I also have worked for a contractor. Let me just say, I honestly didn't give a shit. The pay was low, and no benefits. I didn't care if the flight was delayed, or really had the burning desire to go the extra mile. To me, those planes were just planes. I also sensed a similar attitude from my coworkers.
I just really dislike this trend. I feel badly for these employees.
flyguy84 wrote:F9Animal wrote:I really dislike this trend. It's just becoming nearly extinct to see airlines keep their own behind the counters or on the ramp. Having worked for the actual airlines, I carried a sense of pride, and worked even harder to help make my airline successful.
I also have worked for a contractor. Let me just say, I honestly didn't give a shit. The pay was low, and no benefits. I didn't care if the flight was delayed, or really had the burning desire to go the extra mile. To me, those planes were just planes. I also sensed a similar attitude from my coworkers.
I just really dislike this trend. I feel badly for these employees.
This is what travelers want. They want lower ticket prices so airlines have to cut costs anywhere they can.
Andy33 wrote:At the moment, Iberia have just two daily departures from EZE. It isn't surprising that they don't find it viable to directly employ forty people to deal with these, as the departures are well spaced apart so there must be some people who have little to do for part of their working day.
cityairline wrote:I have to disagree with all this negativity regarding handling agencies.
I don’t know what’s going on in other countries, but I’m employed by a handling company and get paid much better than most airline staff that are left at the airport. And I don’t understand why everyone thinks we’re temporarily contracted. After only a year, we get hired without an ending date.
Also, I enjoy being involved in many different airlines, it makes time go by so much faster and it’s ALOT more fun than having the same airline to the same destination, day in and day out.
In one day I can send off flights with KL, TK, BA, SN and FR... And no, I do not give less service to passengers than I did when I worked for an airline, at 25% less salary!
Galwayman wrote:
I suspect there will be nice redundancy packages required in Argentina .... Getting a nice pay off and then actually going back to your own job can be financially lucrative in lots of countries ....it might be possible to get up to a years pay ( possibly tax free ) and then take a new job with Norwegian etc ...
jfk777 wrote:, in Argentina where wages are low compared to many places it really sucks. If there is one country where IB would want labor peace it should be Argentina, EZE is probably most important destination in Latin America.
Andy33 wrote:At the moment, Iberia have just two daily departures from EZE
TWA772LR wrote:F9Animal wrote:I really dislike this trend. It's just becoming nearly extinct to see airlines keep their own behind the counters or on the ramp. Having worked for the actual airlines, I carried a sense of pride, and worked even harder to help make my airline successful.
I also have worked for a contractor. Let me just say, I honestly didn't give a shit. The pay was low, and no benefits. I didn't care if the flight was delayed, or really had the burning desire to go the extra mile. To me, those planes were just planes. I also sensed a similar attitude from my coworkers.
I just really dislike this trend. I feel badly for these employees.
Its terrible. Ive worked for vendors and now I'm full time directly with the airline. The airlines don't give a shot about the vendors employees. I was at TK in IAH and had the shitty Menzies uniform the whole time. I finally confronted the station manager about it, and he said I had to "earn" it. That guy was a sociopath to us agents. I later switched to the vendor for LH and had a legit LH uniform from day one, it gave me pride in the airline but the employer was only marginally better. Now where I work I almost always go home in a better mood than when I arrived, as well as with a different choice in uniform tops, flight benefits (none whatsoever at my vendors), great health benefits, 401k matching up to x %, great long term stability, and an amazing leadership group that loves their employees.
I really feel bad for Frontier. A once great airline that got raped by Republic and was left in shambles with ALL ground staff replaced by vendors.
jfk777 wrote:Andy33 wrote:At the moment, Iberia have just two daily departures from EZE. It isn't surprising that they don't find it viable to directly employ forty people to deal with these, as the departures are well spaced apart so there must be some people who have little to do for part of their working day.
Its not on;y the Iberia flights at EZE but once daily BA flight to LHR and Level flights to Barcelona. One reason IB has so many people is the arrival times and departures are spread wisely so they need two teams of people. When you learn of something like this happening its sad, in Argentina where wages are low compared to many places it really sucks. If there is one country where IB would want labor peace it should be Argentina, EZE is probably most important destination in Latin America.
Kadish wrote:besides that the most important destination in Latín is MEX.
dcajet wrote:Kadish wrote:besides that the most important destination in Latín is MEX.
I don't think it really matters, they are pretty much neck to neck. IB does actually move slightly more passengers at EZE, and if you add up LEVEL and BA, EZE is ahead of MEX for IAG as a group. Can't speak to the cargo side. Buenos Aires also is the oldest destination for Iberia in the Americas. having been served continuously for 72 years - since 1946, even before EZE existed.
Kadish wrote:dcajet wrote:Kadish wrote:besides that the most important destination in Latín is MEX.
I don't think it really matters, they are pretty much neck to neck. IB does actually move slightly more passengers at EZE, and if you add up LEVEL and BA, EZE is ahead of MEX for IAG as a group. Can't speak to the cargo side. Buenos Aires also is the oldest destination for Iberia in the Americas. having been served continuously for 72 years - since 1946, even before EZE existed.
Matters or not the truth is that If we talk about IB itself n not level or BA or whatever you want Mex is the first route in terms of pax..even NYC has more pax than EZE. These r facts not opinions.
OGLOBAL wrote:i don't understand the bash against IB i flew with recently to GIG and they were good except for the fact that their check in agent told me i don't have to check my luggage again in GRU but when Latam refused to deliver my luggage from gru tp gig i tweeted IB and they solved the issue for me quickly
dcajet wrote:Kadish wrote:dcajet wrote:
I don't think it really matters, they are pretty much neck to neck. IB does actually move slightly more passengers at EZE, and if you add up LEVEL and BA, EZE is ahead of MEX for IAG as a group. Can't speak to the cargo side. Buenos Aires also is the oldest destination for Iberia in the Americas. having been served continuously for 72 years - since 1946, even before EZE existed.
Matters or not the truth is that If we talk about IB itself n not level or BA or whatever you want Mex is the first route in terms of pax..even NYC has more pax than EZE. These r facts not opinions.
So here are some facts for you:
Iberia 2017 traffic (Madrid only)
EZE: 441.000
MEX: 438,588
Source: Iberia
JFK is nowhere near the two. That's why I said the two cities were neck to neck with a slight advantage for EZE.
And don't forget EZE also has 3 airlines flying to MAD: AR, IB & UX, v. only 2 in MEX, AM & IB, and the largest Spaniard expat community outside of Spain.
Kadish wrote:dcajet wrote:Kadish wrote:
Matters or not the truth is that If we talk about IB itself n not level or BA or whatever you want Mex is the first route in terms of pax..even NYC has more pax than EZE. These r facts not opinions.
So here are some facts for you:
Iberia 2017 traffic (Madrid only)
EZE: 441.000
MEX: 438,588
Source: Iberia
JFK is nowhere near the two. That's why I said the two cities were neck to neck with a slight advantage for EZE.
And don't forget EZE also has 3 airlines flying to MAD: AR, IB & UX, v. only 2 in MEX, AM & IB, and the largest Spaniard expat community outside of Spain.
Check this fact:
http://www.anna.aero/2018/04/18/transat ... ort-table/
And yes u r right, to EZE there r 3 airlines flying but to New York u have IB,UX,AA,Delta N united...N if im not wrong Norweian Will come too...having said that its pointless to calculate ir to say that some place has more pax to another because there r more airlines flying there....for instance Mex is the biggest route from mad with only 2 airlines
dcajet wrote:Kadish wrote:dcajet wrote:
So here are some facts for you:
Iberia 2017 traffic (Madrid only)
EZE: 441.000
MEX: 438,588
Source: Iberia
JFK is nowhere near the two. That's why I said the two cities were neck to neck with a slight advantage for EZE.
And don't forget EZE also has 3 airlines flying to MAD: AR, IB & UX, v. only 2 in MEX, AM & IB, and the largest Spaniard expat community outside of Spain.
Check this fact:
http://www.anna.aero/2018/04/18/transat ... ort-table/
And yes u r right, to EZE there r 3 airlines flying but to New York u have IB,UX,AA,Delta N united...N if im not wrong Norweian Will come too...having said that its pointless to calculate ir to say that some place has more pax to another because there r more airlines flying there....for instance Mex is the biggest route from mad with only 2 airlines
I thought we were talking about Iberia in particular and you come back with some generic data. If you dislike or choose not to believe Iberia's own data, then take it up with them.
Moving on, I read the data set you provide and in all cases to be number of seats offered, not passengers carried, which is what the Iberia #s I provided are. And the data seems to be rather North Atlantic-focused as I still find it hard to believe that Iberia and AeroMexico offer more seats than AR, UX + IB combined, the latter with the same equipment and almost same frequencies as MEX. We are also talking about different time periods, as the IB data is for 2017 and the annaaero date is for July 2018.