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60 Minutes to skewer Allegiant Air this Sunday

Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 6:57 pm
by stlgph
https://thefly.com/landingPageNews.php? ... breakdowns

https://www.cbspressexpress.com/cbs-new ... w?id=49961


Steve Kroft piece airing Sunday. "A discount carrier known more for its ultra-low fares than its high record of in-flight breakdowns."
This should be good.

Re: 60 Minutes to skewer Allegiant Air this Sunday

Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 7:00 pm
by WaywardMemphian
Aren't they late to the party? Amazing how much more quiet it is concerning Allegiant since the pilots got a new contract. Hell, look at how quiet it's been here on A-Net since labor peace was reached.

When will 60 Mins do an expose on the sexual exploits of one of their own, Mr. Rose?

Re: 60 Minutes to skewer Allegiant Air this Sunday

Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 7:01 pm
by sw733
WaywardMemphian wrote:
Aren't they late to the party? Amazing how much more quiet it is concerning Allegiant since the pilots got a new contract. Hell, look at how quiet it's been here on A-Net since labor peace was reached.

When us their expose on the sexual exploits of one of their own, Mr. Rose


Well, their fleet age is also coming down as the Mad Dogs get retired and newer Airbuses get introduced, so that helps with the MX issues.

Re: 60 Minutes to skewer Allegiant Air this Sunday

Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 7:04 pm
by WaywardMemphian
sw733 wrote:
WaywardMemphian wrote:
Aren't they late to the party? Amazing how much more quiet it is concerning Allegiant since the pilots got a new contract. Hell, look at how quiet it's been here on A-Net since labor peace was reached.

When us their expose on the sexual exploits of one of their own, Mr. Rose


Well, their fleet age is also coming down as the Mad Dogs get retired and newer Airbuses get introduced, so that helps with the MX issues.


We should place bets on how long into the hit piece it takes them to mention that the MadDogs are the main culprits and are to be gone by 2019.

Re: 60 Minutes to skewer Allegiant Air this Sunday

Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 7:11 pm
by stlgph
Let's just say some other airlines, who shall not be named, who may or may not be in the practice of a) copying Allegiant's lead or b) employing current managers and executives who were once employed by Allegiant and came on board for their expertise at an Allegiant-ish operation may or may not be holding meetings this afternoon concerning potential public relations issues.

I'll just leave that one right there.

Re: 60 Minutes to skewer Allegiant Air this Sunday

Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 7:17 pm
by kjeld0d
WaywardMemphian wrote:
Aren't they late to the party?


I'm sure it will seem like fresh news to the nursing-home set.

Re: 60 Minutes to skewer Allegiant Air this Sunday

Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 7:35 pm
by wjcandee
I wonder how long into the piece it will be before they show footage of Valujet in the Everglades and make the connection to Gallagher. 5 seconds? 15 seconds? 30 seconds?

We will probably also see that Mechanic Whisteblower from Florida, wherein the maintenance operation has been totally-reconstituted.

The good news is that none of Allegiant's customers likely watch 60 Minutes anymore, and gone are the days when politicians would be smacked into action by something on 60 Minutes.

Since 60 Minutes never decides to do anything organically (it is always given the basics of the piece by the publicist for: (1) A Lawyer Suing Somebody or Some Company, (2) A Favored Left-Wing Organization; or (3) A Union), I am a little mystified as to why they're deciding to do this now. I thought all was well with the pilot group?

Re: 60 Minutes to skewer Allegiant Air this Sunday

Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 7:52 pm
by ODwyerPW
bummer. i hate these kind of stories. Allegiant is really trying to turn things around... renewing the fleet, going through their maintenance operations.... I hope the piece mentions all of the positive steps Allegiant has taken recently...

Re: 60 Minutes to skewer Allegiant Air this Sunday

Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 7:56 pm
by wjcandee
ODwyerPW wrote:
bummer. i hate these kind of stories. Allegiant is really trying to turn things around... renewing the fleet, going through their maintenance operations.... I hope the piece mentions all of the positive steps Allegiant has taken recently...


Well, they did do that piece "Herb's Airline". But guaranteed this isn't going to be that.

Re: 60 Minutes to skewer Allegiant Air this Sunday

Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 11:47 pm
by cbphoto
This would have been good a few years ago, but let’s face it, almost everything they will aire on this segment wpuld have happened a few years ago. I can say for certain Allegiant’s maintenance is getting better, thanks to some upper management changes in the maintenance department and an ever growing younger fleet of Airbuses.

Re: 60 Minutes to skewer Allegiant Air this Sunday

Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 12:26 am
by dmg626
Their target audience age of 80+ doesn’t fly Spirit anyways, may as well add a few stories about people getting kicked off planes for “no reason” too

Re: 60 Minutes to skewer Allegiant Air this Sunday

Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 1:59 am
by lightsaber
dmg626 wrote:
Their target audience age of 80+ doesn’t fly Spirit anyways, may as well add a few stories about people getting kicked off planes for “no reason” too

:rotfl:

I cannot get excited about 60 minutes. They we're too sensationalist decades ago.

Seriously, I do not know anyone below 75 who watches. It used to generate hallway conversation! Ghad... I date myself.

Lightsaber

Re: 60 Minutes to skewer Allegiant Air this Sunday

Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 2:36 am
by stl07
Now, let's look up which of the few airlines have a perfect safety record to see what airlines one should fly. Oh wait - Allegiant is the first result. Now let's scroll down to the Ds - wait what- no DL,, no UA, NO AA!!! hmmmmm.....

Re: 60 Minutes to skewer Allegiant Air this Sunday

Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 4:00 am
by n7371f
If that Mary Schialvo siv turns up...I swear...

Re: 60 Minutes to skewer Allegiant Air this Sunday

Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 6:13 am
by BoeingGuy
stl07 wrote:
Now, let's look up which of the few airlines have a perfect safety record to see what airlines one should fly. Oh wait - Allegiant is the first result. Now let's scroll down to the Ds - wait what- no DL,, no UA, NO AA!!! hmmmmm.....


It’s been so long since any of those airlines had a mainline accident that wasn’t terrorism, I can’t even remember. AA was the A300 in 2001. Maybe DL was the MD-80 fan blade incident in PNS. UA was probably COS. Those were what, 1990s?

Re: 60 Minutes to skewer Allegiant Air this Sunday

Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 6:26 am
by wjcandee
But the 60 Minutes thing is gonna focus on air returns due to engine outs and such. The kind of thing that happens every day at the big carriers but is a big deal when it happens at Allegiant. Yeah, yeah, Allegiant's metrics weren't great based on number of flights, but the point was the mechanics were just getting the thing out the door and taking the risk that a non-life-threatening event might cause a service interruption. I think that's bad policy, but it ain't the kind of thing this piece will make it seem to be. Allegiant's management actually also agreed that that was bad policy, and it wasn't the policy at their main shop but rather at the remote Florida operation that they weren't adequately-supervising. When the situation became inescapably-obvious to senior management, they did the right thing and sacked a bunch of people responsible for the mess and cleaned things up. So blame them for not being on top of it sufficiently years ago, but they set things straight without the need for prodding from some dire consequence.

Re: 60 Minutes to skewer Allegiant Air this Sunday

Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 10:05 am
by michman
Haven't watched 60 Minutes in quite awhile. Do they still end it with those Andy Rooney segments? I recall he had some pretty good knee slappers back in the day.

Re: 60 Minutes to skewer Allegiant Air this Sunday

Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 12:16 pm
by Cubsrule
BoeingGuy wrote:
stl07 wrote:
Now, let's look up which of the few airlines have a perfect safety record to see what airlines one should fly. Oh wait - Allegiant is the first result. Now let's scroll down to the Ds - wait what- no DL,, no UA, NO AA!!! hmmmmm.....


It’s been so long since any of those airlines had a mainline accident that wasn’t terrorism, I can’t even remember. AA was the A300 in 2001. Maybe DL was the MD-80 fan blade incident in PNS. UA was probably COS. Those were what, 1990s?


AA would be KIN in 2009 (?). DL is LGA, and that was fairly recent. And if we count predecessors, CO had a runway excursion at DEN not long before the merger.

Re: 60 Minutes to skewer Allegiant Air this Sunday

Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 12:28 pm
by WaywardMemphian
michman wrote:
Haven't watched 60 Minutes in quite awhile. Do they still end it with those Andy Rooney segments? I recall he had some pretty good knee slappers back in the day.



No, they have hard hitting journalists like Oprah Winfrey doing segments these days. At this point, they'll have Maury Povich on doing "Is Trump the Baby Daddy" segments soon.

Re: 60 Minutes to skewer Allegiant Air this Sunday

Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 12:29 pm
by cledaybuck
michman wrote:
Haven't watched 60 Minutes in quite awhile. Do they still end it with those Andy Rooney segments? I recall he had some pretty good knee slappers back in the day.
He died several years ago.

Re: 60 Minutes to skewer Allegiant Air this Sunday

Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 12:42 pm
by cbphoto
BoeingGuy wrote:
stl07 wrote:
Now, let's look up which of the few airlines have a perfect safety record to see what airlines one should fly. Oh wait - Allegiant is the first result. Now let's scroll down to the Ds - wait what- no DL,, no UA, NO AA!!! hmmmmm.....


It’s been so long since any of those airlines had a mainline accident that wasn’t terrorism, I can’t even remember. AA was the A300 in 2001. Maybe DL was the MD-80 fan blade incident in PNS. UA was probably COS. Those were what, 1990s?


Well, AA overran the runway in 2009 in Jamaica, Delta in LGA as others have pointed out. Then of course Southwest has had a few mishaps, including the collapsed nose gear due to a horrible landing. In comparison, Allegiant has a stellar safety record, as they haven’t lost a hull or had a fatality since they were founded. I’m not counting the MD80 that was hit by a tug and was written off due to ground handling errors.

Re: 60 Minutes to skewer Allegiant Air this Sunday

Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 12:55 pm
by osupoke07
BoeingGuy wrote:
stl07 wrote:
Now, let's look up which of the few airlines have a perfect safety record to see what airlines one should fly. Oh wait - Allegiant is the first result. Now let's scroll down to the Ds - wait what- no DL,, no UA, NO AA!!! hmmmmm.....


It’s been so long since any of those airlines had a mainline accident that wasn’t terrorism, I can’t even remember. AA was the A300 in 2001. Maybe DL was the MD-80 fan blade incident in PNS. UA was probably COS. Those were what, 1990s?


Per Wiki and Airfleets.com, the last write off incident from the major 4 carriers are-

AA overran the runway in Jamaica on 12/29/2009. Plane written off, no fatalities
SW had the hard landing at LGA collapsing the gear on 7/22/2013. Plane written off, no fatalities
DL had the runway incursion at LGA in the snow on 5/5/2015. Plane written off, no fatalities
UA doesn't appear to have had an incident at all since the 2001 attacks.

Something interesting, the Delta MD-88 that was written off from the LGA incident is only the second aircraft they've lost due to accident. The other being the L-1011 that crashed at DFW in 1985.

Southwest has only written off two planes, the one above, and one that overran the runway at Burbank in 2000.

Re: 60 Minutes to skewer Allegiant Air this Sunday

Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 2:22 pm
by Revelation
kjeld0d wrote:
WaywardMemphian wrote:
Aren't they late to the party?


I'm sure it will seem like fresh news to the nursing-home set.

Nah, that set watches 'Fair and Balanced' FoX, not the Communist Broadcasting System.

CBS doesn't provide the same amount of visual viagra that FoX's troupe of blonde airheads does.

Re: 60 Minutes to skewer Allegiant Air this Sunday

Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 2:46 pm
by DaveFly
Hey, I just turned 60 and I watch 60 Minutes. The show can’t just be dismissed because you don’t like it — their ratings are very high. Having said that, they often do go after sensationalism over facts. Dan Rather, a former correspondent, and someone who I respect in many ways, had the temerity to laud himself as the man who forced Boeing to address the early 787 manufacturing problems! As for Allegiant, their operation is much improved, although the CEO who really got the ball rolling (Jude-someone), has since resigned. On another airline pilot forum, many Allegiant pilots are quite satisfied with the airline — the trip schedules and quality of life are cited as reasons they stay rather than switch to DL/AA/UA.

Re: 60 Minutes to skewer Allegiant Air this Sunday

Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 2:58 pm
by DarthLobster
BoeingGuy wrote:
stl07 wrote:
Now, let's look up which of the few airlines have a perfect safety record to see what airlines one should fly. Oh wait - Allegiant is the first result. Now let's scroll down to the Ds - wait what- no DL,, no UA, NO AA!!! hmmmmm.....


It’s been so long since any of those airlines had a mainline accident that wasn’t terrorism, I can’t even remember. AA was the A300 in 2001. Maybe DL was the MD-80 fan blade incident in PNS. UA was probably COS. Those were what, 1990s?


If by *fatal* accidents, I believe you are correct. There have been other mishaps and hull losses, as mentioned otherwise.

Re: 60 Minutes to skewer Allegiant Air this Sunday

Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 3:17 pm
by DDR
osupoke07 wrote:
BoeingGuy wrote:
stl07 wrote:
Now, let's look up which of the few airlines have a perfect safety record to see what airlines one should fly. Oh wait - Allegiant is the first result. Now let's scroll down to the Ds - wait what- no DL,, no UA, NO AA!!! hmmmmm.....


It’s been so long since any of those airlines had a mainline accident that wasn’t terrorism, I can’t even remember. AA was the A300 in 2001. Maybe DL was the MD-80 fan blade incident in PNS. UA was probably COS. Those were what, 1990s?


Per Wiki and Airfleets.com, the last write off incident from the major 4 carriers are-

AA overran the runway in Jamaica on 12/29/2009. Plane written off, no fatalities
SW had the hard landing at LGA collapsing the gear on 7/22/2013. Plane written off, no fatalities
DL had the runway incursion at LGA in the snow on 5/5/2015. Plane written off, no fatalities
UA doesn't appear to have had an incident at all since the 2001 attacks.

Something interesting, the Delta MD-88 that was written off from the LGA incident is only the second aircraft they've lost due to accident. The other being the L-1011 that crashed at DFW in 1985.

Southwest has only written off two planes, the one above, and one that overran the runway at Burbank in 2000.


DL also lost the 727-200 in DFW that was taking off for SLC. Pilots forgot to set the flaps.

Re: 60 Minutes to skewer Allegiant Air this Sunday

Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 3:35 pm
by williaminsd
Yawn... "60 Minutes?" I tried watching it again a couple of years ago. Seemed more like 90. The Allegiant team seems to have been pretty successful turning things around so far. I don't think they're too worried.

Re: 60 Minutes to skewer Allegiant Air this Sunday

Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 4:16 pm
by 727LOVER
osupoke07 wrote:
Something interesting, the Delta MD-88 that was written off from the LGA incident is only the second aircraft they've lost due to accident. The other being the L-1011 that crashed at DFW in 1985.


You're kidding, right?

1960- Convair 880 ATL
1967- DC-8 MSY
1973- DC-9 BOS
1988- 727 DFW

EDIT to add:

Forgot one
1972- DC-9 GSW

Re: 60 Minutes to skewer Allegiant Air this Sunday

Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 4:38 pm
by BoeingGuy
osupoke07 wrote:
BoeingGuy wrote:
stl07 wrote:
Now, let's look up which of the few airlines have a perfect safety record to see what airlines one should fly. Oh wait - Allegiant is the first result. Now let's scroll down to the Ds - wait what- no DL,, no UA, NO AA!!! hmmmmm.....


It’s been so long since any of those airlines had a mainline accident that wasn’t terrorism, I can’t even remember. AA was the A300 in 2001. Maybe DL was the MD-80 fan blade incident in PNS. UA was probably COS. Those were what, 1990s?


Per Wiki and Airfleets.com, the last write off incident from the major 4 carriers are-

AA overran the runway in Jamaica on 12/29/2009. Plane written off, no fatalities
SW had the hard landing at LGA collapsing the gear on 7/22/2013. Plane written off, no fatalities
DL had the runway incursion at LGA in the snow on 5/5/2015. Plane written off, no fatalities
UA doesn't appear to have had an incident at all since the 2001 attacks.

Something interesting, the Delta MD-88 that was written off from the LGA incident is only the second aircraft they've lost due to accident. The other being the L-1011 that crashed at DFW in 1985.

Southwest has only written off two planes, the one above, and one that overran the runway at Burbank in 2000.


I meant fatal accident. KIN was very lucky not to have killed anyone though. That was close.

Re: 60 Minutes to skewer Allegiant Air this Sunday

Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 8:25 pm
by Trk1
60 minutes story will be spot on. The airline deserves the story that will be told. 60 minutes will do a very good job and will have journalistic
integrity that is not show on many of the posts on this forum.

Re: 60 Minutes to skewer Allegiant Air this Sunday

Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 9:39 pm
by cschleic
osupoke07 wrote:
BoeingGuy wrote:
stl07 wrote:
Now, let's look up which of the few airlines have a perfect safety record to see what airlines one should fly. Oh wait - Allegiant is the first result. Now let's scroll down to the Ds - wait what- no DL,, no UA, NO AA!!! hmmmmm.....


It’s been so long since any of those airlines had a mainline accident that wasn’t terrorism, I can’t even remember. AA was the A300 in 2001. Maybe DL was the MD-80 fan blade incident in PNS. UA was probably COS. Those were what, 1990s?


Per Wiki and Airfleets.com, the last write off incident from the major 4 carriers are-

AA overran the runway in Jamaica on 12/29/2009. Plane written off, no fatalities
SW had the hard landing at LGA collapsing the gear on 7/22/2013. Plane written off, no fatalities
DL had the runway incursion at LGA in the snow on 5/5/2015. Plane written off, no fatalities
UA doesn't appear to have had an incident at all since the 2001 attacks.

Something interesting, the Delta MD-88 that was written off from the LGA incident is only the second aircraft they've lost due to accident. The other being the L-1011 that crashed at DFW in 1985.

Southwest has only written off two planes, the one above, and one that overran the runway at Burbank in 2000.


What about the one at MDW? It flew again?

Re: 60 Minutes to skewer Allegiant Air this Sunday

Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 10:06 pm
by stl07
Trk1 wrote:
60 minutes story will be spot on. The airline deserves the story that will be told. 60 minutes will do a very good job and will have journalistic
integrity that is not show on many of the posts on this forum.

Oh yes there safety issues definitely need to be exposed. I just can't stand it when people say they are more dangerous than their favorite airline without the stats

Re: 60 Minutes to skewer Allegiant Air this Sunday

Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 10:35 pm
by USAirKid
cschleic wrote:
osupoke07 wrote:
BoeingGuy wrote:

It’s been so long since any of those airlines had a mainline accident that wasn’t terrorism, I can’t even remember. AA was the A300 in 2001. Maybe DL was the MD-80 fan blade incident in PNS. UA was probably COS. Those were what, 1990s?


Per Wiki and Airfleets.com, the last write off incident from the major 4 carriers are-

AA overran the runway in Jamaica on 12/29/2009. Plane written off, no fatalities
SW had the hard landing at LGA collapsing the gear on 7/22/2013. Plane written off, no fatalities
DL had the runway incursion at LGA in the snow on 5/5/2015. Plane written off, no fatalities
UA doesn't appear to have had an incident at all since the 2001 attacks.

Something interesting, the Delta MD-88 that was written off from the LGA incident is only the second aircraft they've lost due to accident. The other being the L-1011 that crashed at DFW in 1985.

Southwest has only written off two planes, the one above, and one that overran the runway at Burbank in 2000.


What about the one at MDW? It flew again?


If you're mentioning WN1248, it wasn't a hull loss, and flew again.. Besides that was in 2005. (Geez, I feel old.)

Re: 60 Minutes to skewer Allegiant Air this Sunday

Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 1:32 am
by Ionosphere
Fatal Passenger Incidents
DL: MD-88 fan blade accident in PNS in 1996, Comair crashes in 1997 & 2006 (NW255 in DTW in 1987 & NW Airlink in HIB in 1993)
UA: 737 in COS in 1991, UAX J41 in CMH in 1994, UAX B1900 in UIN in 1996 (CO1713 in DEN in 1987, Colgan 3407 in 2009)
AA: AA587 in 2001, American Connection in IRK in 2004 (US427 in PIT in 1994, Air Midwest in CLT in 2003)

Re: 60 Minutes to skewer Allegiant Air this Sunday

Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 4:01 am
by wjcandee
I wouldn't make too big a deal about Allegiant having 0 fatalities. Fatal accidents are rare enough that they don't really inform you about anything to do with current safety conditions. So says NASA. And it makes sense.

Everybody at Allegiant should have taken a moment to reflect after the lovely folks at AAR screwed up the installation of cotter pins (IIRC) in the tail of an MD80, leading to a jammed elevator that caused an uncontrollable pitch up during takeoff, which the pilots correctly responded to by aborting. Had they tried to take the thing into the air, no question but that everyone aboard would likely have died in a huge fireball. That was thisclose to a major fatal accident. Further investigation showed that AAR wasn't properly supervising people and that many steps on maintenance cards were completed and signed off without anybody actually inspecting the work. Just a shoddy operation, which is a little surprising given their size and the fact that Delta seems to love them so much. Every time somebody discovers some big issue at AAR, they claim that it was an isolated incident and they have fixed it, but I'm sad to say that things weren't as shipshape there as they should have been.

60 Minutes probably won't point out that Allegiant used AA's shops until AA threw them out because they were pulling back on outside work. So it's not like Allegiant was trying to skimp on their MRO contractor.

In any event, I count that incident in the "fatal accident" column when thinking about their safety (and about what they should have been inspecting after receiving an aircraft back from the MRO), even though by the skin of their teeth the accident didn't occur. But that said, I don't see them as some kind of half-baked outfit the way some of the charter carriers are...

Re: 60 Minutes to skewer Allegiant Air this Sunday

Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 4:58 am
by WaywardMemphian
I figure I might buy some Allegiant stock next week to hit the dip. They folks will get back to to going to Vegas, the beach and visit the zoo that is Orlando and rhey'll fly Allegiant cause they are cheap and likely the only nonstop option they have and dragging 5 year olds around makes that important and the profit report will make it all right in the world.

Re: 60 Minutes to skewer Allegiant Air this Sunday

Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 5:50 pm
by 727LOVER
There was a duplicate thread and the OP posted this:
https://www.cbsnews.com/video/60-minute ... the-radar/

NOT GOOD :bomb:

If I read correct, it's a double segment...so nearly 35 minutes of this?


LOL...Allegiant just started my airport 4 days ago !!

Re: 60 Minutes to skewer Allegiant Air this Sunday

Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 9:40 pm
by SWApilotfarmer
cschleic wrote:
osupoke07 wrote:
BoeingGuy wrote:

It’s been so long since any of those airlines had a mainline accident that wasn’t terrorism, I can’t even remember. AA was the A300 in 2001. Maybe DL was the MD-80 fan blade incident in PNS. UA was probably COS. Those were what, 1990s?


Per Wiki and Airfleets.com, the last write off incident from the major 4 carriers are-

AA overran the runway in Jamaica on 12/29/2009. Plane written off, no fatalities
SW had the hard landing at LGA collapsing the gear on 7/22/2013. Plane written off, no fatalities
DL had the runway incursion at LGA in the snow on 5/5/2015. Plane written off, no fatalities
UA doesn't appear to have had an incident at all since the 2001 attacks.

Something interesting, the Delta MD-88 that was written off from the LGA incident is only the second aircraft they've lost due to accident. The other being the L-1011 that crashed at DFW in 1985.

Southwest has only written off two planes, the one above, and one that overran the runway at Burbank in 2000.


What about the one at MDW? It flew again?


Yes the Southwest jet that had the overrun at MDW is still in service today. That aircraft was about one year old at the time of the overrun. It was out of service for roughly 5 months following the accident.

Re: 60 Minutes to skewer Allegiant Air this Sunday

Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 9:47 pm
by SWApilotfarmer
osupoke07 wrote:
BoeingGuy wrote:
stl07 wrote:
Now, let's look up which of the few airlines have a perfect safety record to see what airlines one should fly. Oh wait - Allegiant is the first result. Now let's scroll down to the Ds - wait what- no DL,, no UA, NO AA!!! hmmmmm.....


It’s been so long since any of those airlines had a mainline accident that wasn’t terrorism, I can’t even remember. AA was the A300 in 2001. Maybe DL was the MD-80 fan blade incident in PNS. UA was probably COS. Those were what, 1990s?


Per Wiki and Airfleets.com, the last write off incident from the major 4 carriers are-

AA overran the runway in Jamaica on 12/29/2009. Plane written off, no fatalities
SW had the hard landing at LGA collapsing the gear on 7/22/2013. Plane written off, no fatalities
DL had the runway incursion at LGA in the snow on 5/5/2015. Plane written off, no fatalities
UA doesn't appear to have had an incident at all since the 2001 attacks.

Something interesting, the Delta MD-88 that was written off from the LGA incident is only the second aircraft they've lost due to accident. The other being the L-1011 that crashed at DFW in 1985.

Southwest has only written off two planes, the one above, and one that overran the runway at Burbank in 2000.


As was already mentioned I remember the Delta 727 that crashed on takeoff from DFW.

And for AA I would image the 763 that had the uncontained engine failure at ORD Oct 2016 was written off. Can’t say that for a fact but after the fire was put out there wasn’t much left of the right wing.

Re: 60 Minutes to skewer Allegiant Air this Sunday

Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 9:49 pm
by UpNAWAy
Their own website says the story is based on 2015 data. So three years old breaking news.....

Re: 60 Minutes to skewer Allegiant Air this Sunday

Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 9:59 pm
by gwrudolph
osupoke07 wrote:
BoeingGuy wrote:
stl07 wrote:
Now, let's look up which of the few airlines have a perfect safety record to see what airlines one should fly. Oh wait - Allegiant is the first result. Now let's scroll down to the Ds - wait what- no DL,, no UA, NO AA!!! hmmmmm.....


It’s been so long since any of those airlines had a mainline accident that wasn’t terrorism, I can’t even remember. AA was the A300 in 2001. Maybe DL was the MD-80 fan blade incident in PNS. UA was probably COS. Those were what, 1990s?


Per Wiki and Airfleets.com, the last write off incident from the major 4 carriers are-

AA overran the runway in Jamaica on 12/29/2009. Plane written off, no fatalities
SW had the hard landing at LGA collapsing the gear on 7/22/2013. Plane written off, no fatalities
DL had the runway incursion at LGA in the snow on 5/5/2015. Plane written off, no fatalities
UA doesn't appear to have had an incident at all since the 2001 attacks.

Something interesting, the Delta MD-88 that was written off from the LGA incident is only the second aircraft they've lost due to accident. The other being the L-1011 that crashed at DFW in 1985.

Southwest has only written off two planes, the one above, and one that overran the runway at Burbank in 2000.


I thought DL also lost a 727-200 on TO at DFW shortly after the L1011 crash.

Re: 60 Minutes to skewer Allegiant Air this Sunday

Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 10:08 pm
by gwrudolph
SWApilotfarmer wrote:

And for AA I would image the 763 that had the uncontained engine failure at ORD Oct 2016 was written off. Can’t say that for a fact but after the fire was put out there wasn’t much left of the right wing.


Yes I would say so. A year and a half later, It is still sitting at ORD with a big green tarp over the mid section. I’m guessing it is waiting to be taken apart?

Re: 60 Minutes to skewer Allegiant Air this Sunday

Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 10:17 pm
by FlyingElvii
wjcandee wrote:
I wonder how long into the piece it will be before they show footage of Valujet in the Everglades and make the connection to Gallagher. 5 seconds? 15 seconds? 30 seconds?

We will probably also see that Mechanic Whisteblower from Florida, wherein the maintenance operation has been totally-reconstituted.

The good news is that none of Allegiant's customers likely watch 60 Minutes anymore, and gone are the days when politicians would be smacked into action by something on 60 Minutes.

Since 60 Minutes never decides to do anything organically (it is always given the basics of the piece by the publicist for: (1) A Lawyer Suing Somebody or Some Company, (2) A Favored Left-Wing Organization; or (3) A Union), I am a little mystified as to why they're deciding to do this now. I thought all was well with the pilot group?


WELL DUH....
Delta pays well...

Now, if Allegiant suddenly bought a million a month in advertising from CBS, they would be running a "SPECIAL REPORT!!!" on something else tonight, like misleading Hair Tonic ads.

Re: 60 Minutes to skewer Allegiant Air this Sunday

Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 10:19 pm
by BoeingGuy
superjeff wrote:
osupoke07 wrote:
BoeingGuy wrote:

It’s been so long since any of those airlines had a mainline accident that wasn’t terrorism, I can’t even remember. AA was the A300 in 2001. Maybe DL was the MD-80 fan blade incident in PNS. UA was probably COS. Those were what, 1990s?


Per Wiki and Airfleets.com, the last write off incident from the major 4 carriers are-

AA overran the runway in Jamaica on 12/29/2009. Plane written off, no fatalities
SW had the hard landing at LGA collapsing the gear on 7/22/2013. Plane written off, no fatalities
DL had the runway incursion at LGA in the snow on 5/5/2015. Plane written off, no fatalities
UA doesn't appear to have had an incident at all since the 2001 attacks.

Something interesting, the Delta MD-88 that was written off from the LGA incident is only the second aircraft they've lost due to accident. The other being the L-1011 that crashed at DFW in 1985.

Delta has another hull loss in Dallas in about 1987 - a 727-200 crashed on take off enroute to SLC. So they've had 3.

Southwest has only written off two planes, the one above, and one that overran the runway at Burbank in 2000.


I was referring to fatal accidents, although I could have been more clear maybe. Some posted that G4 has a perfect record while the Big 3 do not. I was pointing out that Its been a very long time since anyone died on AA, UA, or DL.

Re: 60 Minutes to skewer Allegiant Air this Sunday

Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 10:22 pm
by EvanWSFO
lightsaber wrote:
dmg626 wrote:
Their target audience age of 80+ doesn’t fly Spirit anyways, may as well add a few stories about people getting kicked off planes for “no reason” too

:rotfl:

I cannot get excited about 60 minutes. They we're too sensationalist decades ago.

Seriously, I do not know anyone below 75 who watches. It used to generate hallway conversation! Ghad... I date myself.

Lightsaber


You apparently do not know many people under 75.

Re: 60 Minutes to skewer Allegiant Air this Sunday

Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 10:34 pm
by JoeCanuck
All I know about Allegiant is that my brother and his wife drive down from Brandon, MB to Minot, ND, at least twice a year and fly the airline to and from Vegas. They get great hotel and flight deals and are very satisfied with the service.

On the other hand, I don't think they watch 60 minutes, so they might not know all the ways they are being screwed.

Re: 60 Minutes to skewer Allegiant Air this Sunday

Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 10:42 pm
by Super80Fan
Maurice J Gallagher Jr (Current CEO of Allegiant) needs to be banned from running an airline for his stint in the downing of ValuJet flight 592.

Allegiant is fine if you want to fly to Middle of Nowhere USA on a Tuesday or Saturday morning. Otherwise NK or F9 are your best bet.

That being said, here is a list of major air carriers with no hull losses/fatalities here in the US:

JetBlue
Hawaiian
Frontier
Spirit
Sun Country
Allegiant (although many of their planes after being with them probably can't fly again, they push them to their limit)

Re: 60 Minutes to skewer Allegiant Air this Sunday

Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 10:53 pm
by CV880
FWIW, AA I think still holds the single fatality record, ORD, Flight 191, 1979, 271pax +2 on the ground.

Re: 60 Minutes to skewer Allegiant Air this Sunday

Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 11:11 pm
by wjcandee
JoeCanuk: That's funny. They're not being screwed. That's the truth.

You know, I have been trying to figure out the impetus for this hit piece. It's not the union anymore, because the pilots have a contract.

Then it hit me. Allegiant is developing a big resort community in Florida near one of the airports that it operates into almost exclusively. A lot of the locals are happy, but of course there are always the NIMBYs bitching. Allegiant has tried to do everything right in terms of engaging the community, but of course... So that may be where this is coming from: if they can take down the airline by scaring people, then maybe the resort will go under. I would be very interested to see what law firm or PR company is behind this story, and who they are being paid by.

Remember, there is virtually no organic reporting at 60 Minutes. Story ideas come to them, usually from law firms or PR companies (or the DNC when they're doing political stories). So this came from somewhere. The Palm Beach Post continues to have a hard-on for Allegiant, for no legitimate reason anymore -- so maybe the two are tied together. I will have to watch the piece tonight and detect the source. The usual structure of a Dateline or 60 Minutes piece is: "Isn't this awful? Joe Blow reports..." Then a litany of all the bad things that are happening to some "victim" or group of victims. Then, when all seems lost, the correspondent introduces the "victim"'s lawyer, who is trying to save the day by having filed a lawsuit. The lawyer then adds color to the bad stuff and lays it at the feet of the company or person who he happens to be suing, and often calls for regulation or government "safety" action (so it doesn't seem to be just about money for his client). Then the company's response is either put on the screen for 5 seconds, or if they make the mistake of talking to the correspondent, it is edited in a way that minimizes their points. Sometimes, for extra emphasis, the correspondent will tell you why the response is wrong or misleading.

So...when we watch tonight, see if there's any commentary by a lawyer, then figure out who is paying him? Does he work for the NIMBYs Opposed to Development as well as whomever he purports to represent (somebody whose flight was delayed a day, for example)?

Watch, too, for "safety" to encompass inconsequential reasons for return as well as truly-dangerous ones. Diverted due to smell of smoke that couldn't be found, etc. And remember that all the infrequent fliers always raise safety concerns more often than experienced ones. "I saw smoke in the plane" when it was condensation from the a/c, etc.

Re: 60 Minutes to skewer Allegiant Air this Sunday

Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 11:13 pm
by Ionosphere
CV880 wrote:
FWIW, AA I think still holds the single fatality record, ORD, Flight 191, 1979, 271pax +2 on the ground.


AA191 is the deadliest plane crash in the U.S., closely followed by AA587 which killed 265 people.