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Etheereal wrote:
flymco753 wrote:
The A321NLR will unlock so much South American potential for Spirit. I don't see them going into Europe, but flights like DTW-ANC, ORD-BOG, MCO-LIM are a possibility.


They already operate BOG via FLL, so i dont know why MCO wouldnt be a possibility already. Same with LIM, considering range is enough already for a 319-20.


A321NLR will allow NK to go to deeper South America from FLL, which really could be a game changer in south Florida as far air fares from MIA to Argentina, Chile, Brazil, etc. Norwegian if they ever connect FLL with Argentina also will have a similar impact.


The a321LR wouldn’t be as effective for spirit as it would be a company like jetblue. They’d want to fly it with a dense configuration, which would dramatically effect range and ability to be able to fill the aux fuel tanks while remaining below MTOW.
 
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Fri Apr 13, 2018 6:58 pm

Can Spirit convert some of their A320s to A321NEOs before final delivery or is it too late for them?
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Fri Apr 13, 2018 8:04 pm

I still think they are fishing to see how cheap Boeing would go on Max 7s in light of them still flirting with the C Series.
 
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Fri Apr 13, 2018 8:18 pm

No LCC would switch from airbus to 737, like Ryanair, right?

They are a big enough outfit now to have both types. It’s surely not like passenger comfort etc are their key goals.

Reliability, price, delivery slots, services, all probably play a bigger role than many would guess. I sure doubt they go with Pratt.
 
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Fri Apr 13, 2018 11:42 pm

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MIAFLLPBIFlyer wrote:
Etheereal wrote:

They already operate BOG via FLL, so i dont know why MCO wouldnt be a possibility already. Same with LIM, considering range is enough already for a 319-20.


A321NLR will allow NK to go to deeper South America from FLL, which really could be a game changer in south Florida as far air fares from MIA to Argentina, Chile, Brazil, etc. Norwegian if they ever connect FLL with Argentina also will have a similar impact.


The a321LR wouldn’t be as effective for spirit as it would be a company like jetblue. They’d want to fly it with a dense configuration, which would dramatically effect range and ability to be able to fill the aux fuel tanks while remaining below MTOW.
It would still probably be sufficient enough for FLL-FOR/REC/BSB, DTW-ANC, and maybe ORD-BOG.
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Sat Apr 14, 2018 3:30 am

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Folks, stranger things have happened. While I believe the probability of staying with airbus is quite high, I’d love for them to pick up 737’s on their next order.

The 737-10MAX could make a lot of sense for them.


Why...Just why?

That would be like choosing a 65 year old woman with tons of plastic surgery and lifts/enhancements over a 32 year old who just got a boob job.


If the intended routes are shorter, slightly better economics. The MAX is lighter, remember? They'd be foolish to not at least take a look at it.
 
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Mon Apr 16, 2018 5:24 am

flymco753 wrote:
N757ST wrote:
MIAFLLPBIFlyer wrote:

A321NLR will allow NK to go to deeper South America from FLL, which really could be a game changer in south Florida as far air fares from MIA to Argentina, Chile, Brazil, etc. Norwegian if they ever connect FLL with Argentina also will have a similar impact.


The a321LR wouldn’t be as effective for spirit as it would be a company like jetblue. They’d want to fly it with a dense configuration, which would dramatically effect range and ability to be able to fill the aux fuel tanks while remaining below MTOW.
It would still probably be sufficient enough for FLL-FOR/REC/BSB, DTW-ANC, and maybe ORD-BOG.

Why do they need to change a plane for BOG when the current one is filled to the brim ?

The same happens in MDE, there's no better way to fly cheaper to MIA than them.
 
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Etheereal wrote:
flymco753 wrote:
N757ST wrote:

The a321LR wouldn’t be as effective for spirit as it would be a company like jetblue. They’d want to fly it with a dense configuration, which would dramatically effect range and ability to be able to fill the aux fuel tanks while remaining below MTOW.
It would still probably be sufficient enough for FLL-FOR/REC/BSB, DTW-ANC, and maybe ORD-BOG.

Why do they need to change a plane for BOG when the current one is filled to the brim ?

The same happens in MDE, there's no better way to fly cheaper to MIA than them.
ORD-BOG isn’t an option yet?
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Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:39 pm

oh okay , i get it now. Im just not sure whether there's enough demand for MCO for spirit to get a second (or third in total) plane there.
 
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Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:28 pm

On A.net , switching from 737 to 320 is very normal wheras vice versa is considered impossible. I never get that ...
 
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Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:49 pm

A rather misleading thread title making it appear as if Spirit is set to acquire Boeing aircraft next.
 
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Mon Apr 16, 2018 5:17 pm

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A rather misleading thread title making it appear as if Spirit is set to acquire Boeing aircraft next.


An RFP is request for proposal. The title suggests NK may include Boeing in their next RFP for evaluation. It doesn’t in any way suggest that NK is set to buy Boeing.
 
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Mon Apr 16, 2018 5:19 pm

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On A.net , switching from 737 to 320 is very normal wheras vice versa is considered impossible. I never get that ...


Yeah, like Silk Air and Air Canada are impossible. :)
 
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...NK may include Boeing in their next RFP...


^Would have sounded better I think.
 
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Seems to me that the Boeing 737 would be a perfect fit for NK s markets which are predominately midsize. This aircraft would enable Spirit to compete with many of the Southwest routes.
 
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I can already see it now, NK orders the 737 and has a lot of tail tip issues. The configuration Spirit needs would create an aft index to the point in which all cargo would ride in bins 1 & 2. The A321 almost certainly has to be loaded in 1 & 2 because the aft index on a full flight is exceeded.
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Tue Apr 17, 2018 2:28 am

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I can already see it now, NK orders the 737 and has a lot of tail tip issues. The configuration Spirit needs would create an aft index to the point in which all cargo would ride in bins 1 & 2. The A321 almost certainly has to be loaded in 1 & 2 because the aft index on a full flight is exceeded.

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I can already see it now, NK orders the 737 and has a lot of tail tip issues. The configuration Spirit needs would create an aft index to the point in which all cargo would ride in bins 1 & 2. The A321 almost certainly has to be loaded in 1 & 2 because the aft index on a full flight is exceeded.

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Tue Apr 17, 2018 4:51 am

The 737 Max 200 has to be worth kicking the tires on, literally built for ULCCs.
 
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Tue Apr 17, 2018 5:54 am

par13del wrote:
How is this a negotiating tactic, Boeing is looking at a ULCC who is going to convert its entire fleet from Airbus?
I guess we are going to say that Boeing is going to offer them such a low price that Airbus will have to go lower and even though Boeing looses the order it is a win for Boeing.
Hey it sounds nuts to me but that is what Airbus fans are saying in the AA thread, so if we follow the principle of gravity....

Boeing should point / refer them to their list prices on the web site...no need for a visit.


If Airbus could get easyJet and Frontier to dump the 737 for the A32x, why can’t Boeing do the opposite?

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People on this site are quick to it is just a negotiating tactic, but I think Sprirt ordering from Boeing is possible. They have a relationship dating back to the Md80s. The A320neo entry into service has been such a disaster at Spirit that they cancelled A320neos and switched to CEOs. The engine issues, grounded airplanes and delivery delays that exceed a year could have soured the relationship enough that Spirit is willing to buy Boeing. The 797 might be a good option for their high capacity trunk routes to Florida as well as offering enough range to penetrate farther into South America.


Did Spirit ever buy MD-80s new from McDonnell Douglas?

Also, I don’t think the former CEO could have predicted the engine problems with the A320neo. I always thought his ouster was related to slowing financial growth that was partially due to alienating a large chunk of their customers.

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I wouldnt take that bet, but i think it would be interesting to discuss. Spirit has grown dramatically in Latin America. I think the farthest they fly is Peru. If they want to go to Chile, Argentina and Uruguay, they might look for a bigger plane.


Other than the new FLL-GYE route, Spirit has been largely stagnant in Central and South America for at least the past 5 years. The ULCC model didn’t take off as quickly there since they’re competing against full service carriers that still offer full service.

Just look at the silver A319s bearing the names of destinations no longer served.
 
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Wed Apr 18, 2018 2:26 am

"Spirit Airlines Mulls Adding Smaller Jets to All-Airbus Fleet"

Source: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... rbus-fleet

Spirit Airlines Inc. is considering adding smaller planes to its fleet of Airbus SE jets as the carrier looks for ways to expand its service.

The ultradiscounter expects to seek proposals from planemakers “shortly,” having completed an evaluation of the options, Chief Commercial Officer Matt Klein said in an interview. He declined to say when the airline might make an order.

“We feel like there are some route opportunities that are not being properly served today,” Klein said Monday at the CAPA Americas Aviation Summit in Houston. Any aircraft choice would need to let the airline maintain the lowest cost structure in the industry, he said.
 
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They could always purchase brand new A319s with the sharklets. :old:
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Seems to me that the Boeing 737 would be a perfect fit for NK s markets which are predominately midsize. This aircraft would enable Spirit to compete with many of the Southwest routes.

What can the 737 do that the A320 can’t to make up for the cost of adding it to the fleet and operating it?
BoeingGuy wrote:
imthedreamliner wrote:
On A.net , switching from 737 to 320 is very normal wheras vice versa is considered impossible. I never get that ...


Yeah, like Silk Air and Air Canada are impossible. :)

Because there are far more airlines that have gone one way than the other, that’s my guess anyway.
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Wed Apr 18, 2018 7:41 am

With an all-Airbus fleet of 118 and 55 NEOs on order, I wonder about the incentives to add another type from another manufacturer...
 
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Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:02 am

Newbiepilot wrote:
......most favored customer clause....


I for one would not be surprised to learn that Airbus negotiated that clause away, when AA cancelled the A350 contract.......

Just a guess on my part you understand.........
 
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Wed Apr 18, 2018 2:28 pm

The man seems to have been dead set on adding a B717 type bird to Spirit since he got there, something happened that's delayed it a couple of years. Maybe it was the uncertainty around the CS and the E2s not being out there yet but now that the CS will be caked by Airbus and the E2s real world data will be purine in soon, it's time to take the field. It's clearly intended to enter the smaller markets that Spirit isn't in like the LIT, XNA, TUL and MEM of the world and even niche markets like Sat only BKG /MCO runs. Just like Air Tran. I remember the Air Tran run from ATL to Tunica MS back in the day.

With the AB connection to the CS now, I think it is the frontrunner. I img in any order would come after the closing of the ownership deal between BBD and AB.

This is a shining example of why Boeing wants that Embraer hook up. I wouldn't be shocked to hear soon that Frontier is interested in the E2 and CS, maybe even pick up that old Republic order. These LCCs are not constrained by scope clauses. Frontier is another AB lean in Boeing's back yard.
 
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Thu Apr 19, 2018 1:55 am

I don't see a thread on this. Seems like a major strategy change. CASM would go up of course....

The ultradiscounter expects to seek proposals from planemakers “shortly,” having completed an evaluation of the options, Chief Commercial Officer Matt Klein said in an interview. He declined to say when the airline might make an order.

Adding smaller planes, such as those made by Canada’s Bombardier Inc. or Brazil’s Embraer SA, would further Spirit’s goal of adding flights from midsize and smaller cities to popular tourist destinations.


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... pId=google
 
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Wow did not see this coming.
 
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Thu Apr 19, 2018 2:34 am

Trying to become the new Allegiant?
Interesting G4/F9 and NK are moving in opposite directions, G4 moving up in aircraft size, size of its destinations, and level of competition encountered, NK trying to move in the opposite direction.
Almost like they're merging...eh
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Thu Apr 19, 2018 2:51 am

This shift in strategy by NK is very intriguing. It seemed like they wanted to provide more capacity on routes with ordering the A320neo and more A321s. Then they decided against selling off some of their A319s and they even acquired two more. And now this possible interest in the E2/C-Series.

I'm very curious to see how the E2 or C-Series would play out in NK's fleet. Maybe they want to launch thinner routes to LatAm or South America on these aircraft? Or start smaller markets in the US similar to what Allegiant does?
 
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Would they have to make these flights operated by regional carriers? If not, this opens up a whole world of possible routes for NK, connecting a ton of dots in a WN manner.
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Thu Apr 19, 2018 3:07 am

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Wow did not see this coming.


He mentioned it when he first went to Spirit. He specifically mentioned BKG. He was the one that had AirTran doing ATL and MCO from there. Now that the E2s are entering service and the ground under the C Series has firmed with some performance results via Swiss and others out there. It's finally time
To get real serious.

https://skift.com/2016/04/27/spirit-air ... oute-list/

Something has got to give, as Indigo has gobs of ABs on order due to start rolling in 2021, Spirit has more on the way for next year and so does Allegiant. There's going to be all kinds of new less than weekly point to points popping up as well as new markets that will eat away feed to larger airports. I feel this will pressure Southwest the most as it has the most to lose on the leasure side. They are gonna wish they had a smaller plane in 5 years as places like TUL, LIT, MEM and other get all kinds of darts throw to see what sticks when airports like XNA sees new market entries.

Frontier is going to screw with moneymakers with high fares like Jackson Hole for the legacies.
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Thu Apr 19, 2018 3:23 am

Smart strategy by NK. This size aircraft, E-2 and the C-Series are perfect for markets like MEM, RIC, CAK,ROC,DAY and etc. Because what would be 80% L.F on a 320 would be closer to 90 to 95% load factor on this type of aircraft. Seems like NK is targeting the Southwest strategy.
 
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I bet they still go with brand new A319’s. This is all a scheme to get Airbus to offer them a dirt cheap price on the A319.
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marvinanderson1 wrote:
Smart strategy by NK. This size aircraft, E-2 and the C-Series are perfect for markets like MEM, RIC, CAK,ROC,DAY and etc. Because what would be 80% L.F on a 320 would be closer to 90 to 95% load factor on this type of aircraft. Seems like NK is targeting the Southwest strategy.
Perhaps this is a new strategy. They seem to be doing really well with MSY, DTW, and BWI. I think if they do end up ordering either an E-Jet or CS, this allows them to fly thin. I can already imagine what DTW would get, but this is a new realm for BWI and MSY.

I unfortunately don’t think Spirit is going to get into MEM, ROC, or DAY simply because of certain markets that need to be tackeld first like Nashville and Central Texas. These are Airbus markets.

However, put the E-Jet or CS into play, that opens up ABQ as a large contender.
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I bet they still go with brand new A319’s. This is all a scheme to get Airbus to offer them a dirt cheap price on the A319.


Why would AB want to break even on A319s with their involvement in the C Series now and their needing to produce more 320s and 321s that have a better margin. This was the reason to get in bed with Bombardier. I always thought that thread about Spirit feeling out Boeing was either for Max 7s or to see where they were with their potential joint venture with Embraer and the E2s.
 
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Thu Apr 19, 2018 3:48 am

It was pretty obvious they wouldn't have gone to Boeing. It was all a smokescreen.
 
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Thu Apr 19, 2018 3:53 am

Oooo. This is super interesting if true!

Both the E90 and Cs100 remain “challengers” in US market. OEMs hungry for orders!! And it’s not CASM that matters - it is being the most competitive airline in a given class. Spirit is that. Yes, an ULCC could operate 110-130 seaters and IMO do it well. The same principle applies as it does at 160 seats. But with new city pairs and lighter traffic frequencies. Spirit could make this work. The trip cost of these mini mainliners is cheaper and allows spirit to compete in new markets - fresh markets that WN for example cannot do
 
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Smart strategy by NK. This size aircraft, E-2 and the C-Series are perfect for markets like MEM, RIC, CAK,ROC,DAY and etc. Because what would be 80% L.F on a 320 would be closer to 90 to 95% load factor on this type of aircraft. Seems like NK is targeting the Southwest strategy.


Pair up a city that has a need for some nonstop business connectivity and then put a decent leasure market on the other end. Say, MEM/RDU/IAD. Put MEM in the middle of STL and MSY

I'll be curious to see how Allegiant does on it's MEM/OAK route. If that does well. That opens up lots of similar West Coast runs with similar frequencies like SAN and SEA that Spirit could start.
 
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Would they have to make these flights operated by regional carriers? If not, this opens up a whole world of possible routes for NK, connecting a ton of dots in a WN manner.

No, why would they?
 
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Would they have to make these flights operated by regional carriers? If not, this opens up a whole world of possible routes for NK, connecting a ton of dots in a WN manner.

No, why would they?

I thought I remembered hearing US airlines (the US3 and AS) having to delegate aircraft under a certain seating capacity to smaller regional carriers. I'm not sure if that was company policy or US law, and what that threshold is.
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flyguy84 wrote:
BWIAirport wrote:
Would they have to make these flights operated by regional carriers? If not, this opens up a whole world of possible routes for NK, connecting a ton of dots in a WN manner.

No, why would they?

I thought I remembered hearing US airlines (the US3 and AS) having to delegate aircraft under a certain seating capacity to smaller regional carriers. I'm not sure if that was company policy or US law, and what that threshold is.


Has more to do with labor contracts with their pilots. The infamous Scope clauses.
 
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BWIAirport wrote:
flyguy84 wrote:
BWIAirport wrote:
Would they have to make these flights operated by regional carriers? If not, this opens up a whole world of possible routes for NK, connecting a ton of dots in a WN manner.

No, why would they?

I thought I remembered hearing US airlines (the US3 and AS) having to delegate aircraft under a certain seating capacity to smaller regional carriers. I'm not sure if that was company policy or US law, and what that threshold is.

There is no such thing.
 
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BWIAirport wrote:
flyguy84 wrote:
BWIAirport wrote:
Would they have to make these flights operated by regional carriers? If not, this opens up a whole world of possible routes for NK, connecting a ton of dots in a WN manner.

No, why would they?

I thought I remembered hearing US airlines (the US3 and AS) having to delegate aircraft under a certain seating capacity to smaller regional carriers. I'm not sure if that was company policy or US law, and what that threshold is.


It’s kind of opposite of what you’re saying. Scope clauses, which are generally built into pilot labor contracts, do not allow regional airlines to fly aircraft with more than an agreed upon number of seats for a mainline carrier. They also place other limits on regional carrier flying such as capping the overall percentage or number of flights a regional carrier can do for a mainline carrier.

But heck, by all means, if mainline United wanted to order and operate some PC-12s and they mutually agreed to a pay scale with ALPA (United pilots union) on what to pay these pilots, or payed them their current smallest aircraft rates, there is technically or legally barring this from taking place. Economically however...
 
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Thu Apr 19, 2018 11:14 am

Since this is Spirit we are talking about, if they buy the e2 or CS then we can expect 160 seats with 27" pitch on a 110-130 seat sized aircraft? Probably would be the most uncomfortable 1-2 hour flight in the states.
 
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Re: Bloomberg: Spirit May Buy E190 or CS100

Thu Apr 19, 2018 12:37 pm

ILS28ORD wrote:
Since this is Spirit we are talking about, if they buy the e2 or CS then we can expect 160 seats with 27" pitch on a 110-130 seat sized aircraft? Probably would be the most uncomfortable 1-2 hour flight in the states.


They are constrained by exit limit certifications so no... they can get alot in but no

Max seats:
E2-190 114
E2-195 146*
CS-100 133
CS-300 160

all at min 28" pitch.

*=E2-195 i can't confirm if it's 144 or 146, I had conflicting info, I went higher.
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Re: Bloomberg: Spirit May Buy E190 or CS100

Thu Apr 19, 2018 1:07 pm

Consider me skeptical. I don't think these planes work well with their business model.
 
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Re: Bloomberg: Spirit May Buy E190 or CS100

Thu Apr 19, 2018 1:08 pm

I’m a believer. These planes are perfect for secondary city pairs, with similar economics to the larger mainline narrowbodies but the mainline carriers unions scope clauses have basically made it impossible for the larger carriers to compete here, in the US.

This of course opens the window for a “new” Southwest to grow, if they can be smart about the cities and routes.
 
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Re: Bloomberg: Spirit May Buy E190 or CS100

Thu Apr 19, 2018 1:10 pm

I could see a 130 seat (a couple taken off for the Big Front Seats) CS100 doing wonders for Spirit. That Skift article aboveboard talked about small leisure destinations. That seems like current-Allegiant’s next move, but if NK can beat them, with a new product to boot, I could see not just Branson but maybe places like Santa Rosa, West Palm, Savannah/Charleston, etc get a handful of routes each.
Also, mildly off topic, but does anyone see Fornaro bring PHF to the network?
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Re: Bloomberg: Spirit May Buy E190 or CS100

Thu Apr 19, 2018 1:36 pm

marvinanderson1 wrote:
Smart strategy by NK. This size aircraft, E-2 and the C-Series are perfect for markets like MEM, RIC, CAK,ROC,DAY and etc. Because what would be 80% L.F on a 320 would be closer to 90 to 95% load factor on this type of aircraft. Seems like NK is targeting the Southwest strategy.


Depends on the seating capacity. Say their A320 has 160 seats vs an E190 with 100. An 80% load factor on their A320 is actually an oversold E190. In fact, the A320 would have to be 62.5% full to equal a 100% load factor on an E190, so they really have a lot more wiggle room.

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