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Tue Oct 23, 2018 1:56 am

9W's wet least deals with Trujet for ATRs falls through due to unavailability of 9W ATR pilots . Looks like many might have jumped ship.

Jet Airways calls off ATR wet leasing deal with TruJet

Private carrier Jet Airways on Monday said it has cancelled its proposed deal with TruJet for wet leasing of some of its regional jets over the latter’s failure to meet with the deadline on terms of agreement.

Earlier in the day, a source had said that the deal for wet leasing of up to seven ATR planes to TruJet by the Jet Airways had hit air pocket due to regulatory issues and pilots problems. “Jet Airways has called off the proposed agreement with a regional carrier (TruJet) as the terms were not met within stipulated timelines,” a Jet Airways’ spokesperson told PTI in response to a query on the deal.
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“Jet Airways is not in a position to provide adequate number of ATR pilots along with the aircraft as a number of pilots have quit the carrier in the recent past. Instead, it wants TruJet to dry lease these planes, which is an economically viable proposition for the regional carrier,” the source said.

TruJet spokesperson was not available for comments. “Leasing in an ATR from the market is not an issue but getting trained pilots for this type of aircraft is certainly a problem. So, a dry lease does not make economic sense at all,” the source said. TruJet had in August said that the carrier was working on options to induct up to seven aircraft from Jet Airways.
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Tue Oct 23, 2018 2:01 am

Spicejet and Jet are seeking moratarium on lease prices to tide over the difficult situation.

https://www.business-standard.com/artic ... _1.htmlJet, SpiceJet seek lease rent moratorium amid weak rupee, high oil prices

A weakened rupee, surge in crude oil prices and inability to raise fares have put pressure on all airlines, tightening their liquidity situation. In this backdrop, ratings agencies have downgraded the debt of all three listed airlines, including that of IndiGo, the market leader.


CRISIL has downgraded the rating of SpiceJet's Rs 14.45-billion debt, from the earlier BBB to one of BB-minus. ICRA has downgraded the rating for IndiGo's Rs 80-billion loan to A+ from the earlier AA.
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A SpiceJet spokesperson said the airline had secured a one-time relief of two to three months from a lessor. "The rating downgrade is an industry phenomenon and we continue to outperform the industry on financial metrics," the spokesperson added.

Jet Airways did not respond to a query but sources said it had sought discounts and easier payment terms, including 60-90 days of moratorium on its lease payments.
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Spicejet and Jet are seeking moratarium on lease prices to tide over the difficult situation.

[url=https://www.business-standard.com/article/companies/jet-spicejet-seek-lease-rent-moratorium-amid-weak-rupee-high-oil-prices-118102201041_1.html]Jet, SpiceJet seek lease rent moratorium amid weak rupee, high oil prices/url]

A weakened rupee, surge in crude oil prices and inability to raise fares have put pressure on all airlines, tightening their liquidity situation. In this backdrop, ratings agencies have downgraded the debt of all three listed airlines, including that of IndiGo, the market leader.


CRISIL has downgraded the rating of SpiceJet's Rs 14.45-billion debt, from the earlier BBB to one of BB-minus. ICRA has downgraded the rating for IndiGo's Rs 80-billion loan to A+ from the earlier AA.
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A SpiceJet spokesperson said the airline had secured a one-time relief of two to three months from a lessor. "The rating downgrade is an industry phenomenon and we continue to outperform the industry on financial metrics," the spokesperson added.

Jet Airways did not respond to a query but sources said it had sought discounts and easier payment terms, including 60-90 days of moratorium on its lease payments.
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Wow, just skip two or three months of lease payments... Ummm... Future money from a low credit rating company is discounted...

Interesting...

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Tue Oct 23, 2018 6:43 am

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Incidentally singapore with 18 different cities connected could soon become the 4th or 5th most connected city to Indian airport pairs .more than many of the big Indian airports ... wait for it to sink in ?

Gauhati just got connected via druk air .vijaywada and Pune start in the next 4 weeks.

It's not just SIN. Many Gulf airports, and above all DXB, hold this distinction. A large number of SIN flights come from the three big international airports in Tamil Nadu: MAA, TRZ and IXM (only time can tell when CJB will get a SIN flight), as Tamils form a huge diaspora in Singapore (Tamil is one of Singapore's four official languages).

That said, it's a shame that 9W cut MAA-SIN flights. Why cut MAA-SIN just to launch a second BLR-SIN, a third DEL-SIN and now a PNQ-SIN? And yet 9W is bleeding dhan-daulat.

Finally, Drukair is GAU's only international airline, and PBH, GAU and SIN its only international destinations. Guwahati is the gateway to the Northeast, and it surely deserves better – at least a DXB flight on 6E or perhaps FZ.
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Tue Oct 23, 2018 11:45 am

VTCIE wrote:
Sindhuputra wrote:
Incidentally singapore with 18 different cities connected could soon become the 4th or 5th most connected city to Indian airport pairs .more than many of the big Indian airports ... wait for it to sink in ?

Gauhati just got connected via druk air .vijaywada and Pune start in the next 4 weeks.

It's not just SIN. Many Gulf airports, and above all DXB, hold this distinction. A large number of SIN flights come from the three big international airports in Tamil Nadu: MAA, TRZ and IXM (only time can tell when CJB will get a SIN flight), as Tamils form a huge diaspora in Singapore (Tamil is one of Singapore's four official languages).

That said, it's a shame that 9W cut MAA-SIN flights. Why cut MAA-SIN just to launch a second BLR-SIN, a third DEL-SIN and now a PNQ-SIN? And yet 9W is bleeding dhan-daulat.

Finally, Drukair is GAU's only international airline, and PBH, GAU and SIN its only international destinations. Guwahati is the gateway to the Northeast, and it surely deserves better – at least a DXB flight on 6E or perhaps FZ.


Simple, 9W is concentrating on making BLR its 3rd hub or its South Indian Hub. AFAIK the 9W flights are doing very well, esp with connections from BLR to DPS/SYD/MEL (among a few) with a growth rate of 11%, 17% & 13% respectively YoY since the 9W launch
of BLR-SIN. Also the O&D market has grown very well. Plus the airline will use its B738M on the route very soon. So its a win win for both pax and airline.
I am not aware of why PNQ-SIN but I presume its more targeting towards VFR/Tourism(?).
 
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Tue Oct 23, 2018 1:10 pm

If AMD and LKO are able to sustain SIN flights am sure pine would too. Pune used to have an IC flight in days Long gone, and when pune’s population was lesser and had lower purchasing power . I suppose Sin - dps- Australia tourism plus VFR will be able to sustain it .

To VTCIE’s point - true about diaspora .. however seat capacity wise del-sin is now #1 with Bom-sin at #2... MAA and BLR follow. This of course should be expected.

Del-sin is roughly 1700 seats per day each way.
 
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Tue Oct 23, 2018 2:29 pm

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It's not just SIN. Many Gulf airports, and above all DXB, hold this distinction. A large number of SIN flights come from the three big international airports in Tamil Nadu: MAA, TRZ and IXM (only time can tell when CJB will get a SIN flight), as Tamils form a huge diaspora in Singapore (Tamil is one of Singapore's four official languages).

That said, it's a shame that 9W cut MAA-SIN flights. Why cut MAA-SIN just to launch a second BLR-SIN, a third DEL-SIN and now a PNQ-SIN? And yet 9W is bleeding dhan-daulat.
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Doesn't CJB already has a SIN flight by MI?
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Tue Oct 23, 2018 3:36 pm

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VTCIE wrote:
It's not just SIN. Many Gulf airports, and above all DXB, hold this distinction. A large number of SIN flights come from the three big international airports in Tamil Nadu: MAA, TRZ and IXM (only time can tell when CJB will get a SIN flight), as Tamils form a huge diaspora in Singapore (Tamil is one of Singapore's four official languages).

That said, it's a shame that 9W cut MAA-SIN flights. Why cut MAA-SIN just to launch a second BLR-SIN, a third DEL-SIN and now a PNQ-SIN? And yet 9W is bleeding dhan-daulat.
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Doesn't CJB already has a SIN flight by MI?

I mean, yes, there are flights on MI and IX, but less as compared to the other three TN international airports.
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Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:14 pm

VTCIE wrote:
binayak wrote:
VTCIE wrote:
It's not just SIN. Many Gulf airports, and above all DXB, hold this distinction. A large number of SIN flights come from the three big international airports in Tamil Nadu: MAA, TRZ and IXM (only time can tell when CJB will get a SIN flight), as Tamils form a huge diaspora in Singapore (Tamil is one of Singapore's four official languages).

That said, it's a shame that 9W cut MAA-SIN flights. Why cut MAA-SIN just to launch a second BLR-SIN, a third DEL-SIN and now a PNQ-SIN? And yet 9W is bleeding dhan-daulat.
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Doesn't CJB already has a SIN flight by MI?

I mean, yes, there are flights on MI and IX, but less as compared to the other three TN international airports.


CJB-SIN is served by MI and IX (I think 12x or 11x weekly flights in total), whereas IXM-SIN is served only by IX (7x weekly). TRZ-SIN has a bunch of daily narrowbodies and MAA-SIN of course is one of India's busiest international routes.
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Wed Oct 24, 2018 6:31 am

How does Air Deccan use the code DN? Norwegian Air Argentina also uses DN. How is this allowed?
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Wed Oct 24, 2018 7:33 am

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How does Air Deccan use the code DN? Norwegian Air Argentina also uses DN. How is this allowed?


Interesting observation.
As per wiki, they both show IATA registered DN. However , do Air Deccan even operate flights anymore? They seem to have suspended their recent activities and also merged into another carrier of Odisha. So maybe they don't exist as a standalone.
 
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Wed Oct 24, 2018 8:31 am

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Finally, Drukair is GAU's only international airline, and PBH, GAU and SIN its only international destinations. Guwahati is the gateway to the Northeast, and it surely deserves better – at least a DXB flight on 6E or perhaps FZ.


PBH, GAU and SIN are not Drukair's only international destinations, rather far from it (KB flies to KTM,DEL,CCU,IXB,BKK,SIN,DAC internationally).

Neither are PBH and SIN the only intl destinations of GAU, as KB also serves GAU-BKK. But it is true GAU can probably sustain flights on more international routes like KTM, DAC, DXB.
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Wed Oct 24, 2018 11:46 am

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Finally, Drukair is GAU's only international airline, and PBH, GAU and SIN its only international destinations. Guwahati is the gateway to the Northeast, and it surely deserves better – at least a DXB flight on 6E or perhaps FZ.


PBH, GAU and SIN are not Drukair's only international destinations, rather far from it (KB flies to KTM,DEL,CCU,IXB,BKK,SIN,DAC internationally).

'It' in my post refers to GAU's international destinations, not Drukair's. I meant PBH, BKK and SIN, not PBH, GAU and SIN. Apologies for the mix-up.

As for Drukair's international destinations, in addition to CCU, GAU, IXB, DEL, KTM, DAC, BKK and SIN, you also have PYG (Pakyong) from January 2019. I hope RGN and PAT/GAY will be included in five years' time as GAY is an important destination for Buddhists and there are direct flights to GAY from BKK/DMK and SGN/HAN.
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Wed Oct 24, 2018 4:22 pm

Looks like Turkish Airlines Cargo will be starting a new Indian route using A33F wef 01NOV 2018. Routing will likely be IST-CMB-BLR-IST
 
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Wed Oct 24, 2018 6:37 pm

And the big news is that Only profitable airline in India is also in losses
How long will the race to bottom continue in Indian aviation ? Airlines are cutting prices to rock bottom which is now threatening their own survival
 
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Wed Oct 24, 2018 6:53 pm

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And the big news is that Only profitable airline in India is also in losses


One news article states their one owner blames the competition for that :shock:

https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/business/companies/rahul-bhatia-blames-competition-as-low-fares-eat-into-indigos-profits-3081991.html
 
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pushpakvimaan wrote:
And the big news is that Only profitable airline in India is also in losses


One news article states their one owner blames the competition for that :shock:

https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/business/companies/rahul-bhatia-blames-competition-as-low-fares-eat-into-indigos-profits-3081991.html


This cant get better with the bunch of experimental routes getting launched shortly.
 
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avier wrote:
pushpakvimaan wrote:
And the big news is that Only profitable airline in India is also in losses


One news article states their one owner blames the competition for that :shock:

https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/business/companies/rahul-bhatia-blames-competition-as-low-fares-eat-into-indigos-profits-3081991.html


This cant get better with the bunch of experimental routes getting launched shortly.


To their credit, every analyst asked the same question on the call.

Why are you complaining about low fares when you are the one dumping capacity?'

They don't have any answer or plan to jump out of the gerbil wheel spinning at a high rate of speed.
 
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Thu Oct 25, 2018 3:14 am

I am unsure what is Indigo looking towards. They still need to add many more planes, which need to fly some where. Newer domestic routes will require lower fares, which will be challenging due to high oil prices.I believe they should expand more internationally to smaller destination offering point to point connectivity, instead of flying to hubs. They should think about offering flights to more SE asia destinations from multiple locations in India.
 
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Thu Oct 25, 2018 4:19 am

600 crores loss with a cash reserve of 13,000 crores....they are going to bleed everyone for a year or two, kill a couple of competition along the way, and then feast on those slots. Indigo ain't done with capacity dumping and low fares just yet.
 
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Thu Oct 25, 2018 8:26 am

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To their credit, every analyst asked the same question on the call.



Is the investor call available online anywhere or any link to it?
 
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Thu Oct 25, 2018 10:20 am

Just check here, under "Financial Results" tab
https://www.goindigo.in/information/inv ... ons_footer
 
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Update:- BLR Airport handled more than 100,000 passengers in a single day last week, thanks to the Dusshera/Durga Pooja season.
 
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600 crores loss with a cash reserve of 13,000 crores....they are going to bleed everyone for a year or two, kill a couple of competition along the way, and then feast on those slots. Indigo ain't done with capacity dumping and low fares just yet.


That assumes that their bleed remains constant - the bleed on some of their newer routes could be worse than what they see now. Their latest slew of routes have so many new connections, all of which cannot have equal chances of success.

Does anybody know which of the GCC bilaterals still have capacity on the Indian side?
 
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600 crores loss with a cash reserve of 13,000 crores....they are going to bleed everyone for a year or two, kill a couple of competition along the way, and then feast on those slots. Indigo ain't done with capacity dumping and low fares just yet.

They are going to have to slow growth.

I wish all the Indian airlines published better numbers.
6E: RASK 3.23, CASK 3.7

Indigo has better RASK than the competition.
Indigo has better CASK than all but SpiceJet.

When I start estimating the deficit at other airlines, I come up with some big numbers.

I speculate that one major issue is the lack of slots when people really want to fly. It is well known that tickets command 20%+ premiums for flying at desired times. India must expand the airports; I know, counter intuitive, but I believe this will work.

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Thu Oct 25, 2018 3:32 pm

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600 crores loss with a cash reserve of 13,000 crores....they are going to bleed everyone for a year or two, kill a couple of competition along the way, and then feast on those slots. Indigo ain't done with capacity dumping and low fares just yet.

They are going to have to slow growth.

I wish all the Indian airlines published better numbers.
6E: RASK 3.23, CASK 3.7

Indigo has better RASK than the competition.
Indigo has better CASK than all but SpiceJet.

When I start estimating the deficit at other airlines, I come up with some big numbers.

I speculate that one major issue is the lack of slots when people really want to fly. It is well known that tickets command 20%+ premiums for flying at desired times. India must expand the airports; I know, counter intuitive, but I believe this will work.

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True, Metros have no slots during peak morning and evening hours, that's where airlines can make profits. Places like BOM has virtually no slots and no respite in sight for another 3-4 years. We need China type mega airports in 6 metros asap
 
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I wish all the Indian airlines published better numbers.
6E: RASK 3.23, CASK 3.7

Indigo has better RASK than the competition.
Indigo has better CASK than all but SpiceJet.


Lightsaber


Which airlines are you considering in "competition " . Asking because the only other LCC whose financials we get to know is SG.
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What is AI's RASK and CASK.

For reference was CASK 4.7, RASK 4.0.
The market RASK is dropping.
Indigo: RASK 3.23, about a 15% YoY drop
CASK now 3.7, was 3.15. Oil is the killer that is impacting all airlines.

So for AI estimate RASK fell to 3.4.
CASK would be scaled to about 5.2!

Or my best estimate is losses of 5,000+ crore in the quarter. Has any analyst produced a better estimate?

Or I estimate AI debt:
48,000 crore+ 3,000 + 5,000= 56,000 crore

Does anyone have a link to a better estimate? It amazes me how opaque GoI money flows are. This helps explain the cash flow issues of AI over the last six months.

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Air India to serve Mumbai - JFK 3 x Weekly beginning December 7, 2018. Aircraft will be 77W:
AI 105 0100 BOM JFK 0655 W, F, Su
AI 106 1105 JFK BOM 1210+1 W, F, Su

It's bookable now
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Air India to serve Mumbai - JFK 3 x Weekly beginning December 7, 2018. Aircraft will be 77W:
AI 105 0100 BOM JFK 0655 W, F, Su
AI 106 1105 JFK BOM 1210+1 W, F, Su

It's bookable now

The return flight has good timings.
I hope this time it performs better than last time in 2007 though with the product, I'm a bit doubtful.
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Fri Oct 26, 2018 10:35 am

Indigo is a Rupee earner and foreign currency burner, that is because it is a predominantly domestic carrier.
AI/9W relatively earn more revenue in foreign exchange. Both can cut domestic capacity and increase international capacity to mitigate forex issues.

6E's non-fuel CASK went way up. Because primary strategy is to capture more domestic market share, it is in a capacity bubble.
Both AI/9W are in cost-cutting mode. They are not in a rush to add capacity.

I am running out of analogies, but let me try this one.
A 400 lbs person consuming 5000 calories (vs) 180 lbs person consuming 2700 calories. Claiming per lb the earlier consuming fewer calories is a good metric, but not good for health.

The statement that NEO deliveries caused capacity bubble(planned 25% vs 30% addition) is a falsehood. 6E took CEO deliveries during the same period which was unnecessary. If they are prudent, return all short-term CEO leases, lease-end CEO, take more NEOs to mitigate GTF issue. AOGs are not a good PR strategy, but a good financial strategy, because Airbus/PW will give compensation.
 
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Indigo is a Rupee earner and foreign currency burner, that is because it is a predominantly domestic carrier.
AI/9W relatively earn more revenue in foreign exchange. Both can cut domestic capacity and increase international capacity to mitigate forex issues.


Also fuel is significantly cheaper when flying Int'l, isn't it ? sans all those local taxes. Maybe thats why they are adding so many new Int'l stations going forward.

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The statement that NEO deliveries caused capacity bubble(planned 25% vs 30% addition) is a falsehood. 6E took CEO deliveries during the same period which was unnecessary. If they are prudent, return all short-term CEO leases, lease-end CEO, take more NEOs to mitigate GTF issue. AOGs are not a good PR strategy, but a good financial strategy, because Airbus/PW will give compensation.


They haven't yet started replacing older CEO's on a large scale like what G8 intends to do over the next 6 months. So G8 might probably become the first all-320neo operator in India (and maybe the world?) if that plan goes by.

As per the call they are getting as many Neo's (and even Ceo's which they don't talk of) to grab all the slots majorly as their own claimed "they are there for the long term" and so such a strategy is needed for them, which is sensible.
 
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Fri Oct 26, 2018 12:11 pm

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Air India to serve Mumbai - JFK 3 x Weekly beginning December 7, 2018. Aircraft will be 77W:
AI 105 0100 BOM JFK 0655 W, F, Su
AI 106 1105 JFK BOM 1210+1 W, F, Su

It's bookable now


Interesting that they are trying 77W for the route instead of 77L. IIRC this is the first India-USA nonstop starting on 77W instead of 77L. Also, why AI105 instead of AI141/140 (what the flight originally used)?

16hr 25min is a very long block time for 77W, longer than DEL-SFO by nearly an hour. I am curious as to what restrictions 77W will have, and why they didn't put 77L here, and move 77W to DELSFO.

Nevertheless, a daytime arrival in BOM from USA is a game changer. AFAIK all other options with reasonable layovers (besides maybe EK) have at least a late evening arrival, if not overnight.
 
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voxkel wrote:
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Air India to serve Mumbai - JFK 3 x Weekly beginning December 7, 2018. Aircraft will be 77W:
AI 105 0100 BOM JFK 0655 W, F, Su
AI 106 1105 JFK BOM 1210+1 W, F, Su

It's bookable now


Interesting that they are trying 77W for the route instead of 77L. IIRC this is the first India-USA nonstop starting on 77W instead of 77L. Also, why AI105 instead of AI141/140 (what the flight originally used)?

16hr 25min is a very long block time for 77W, longer than DEL-SFO by nearly an hour. I am curious as to what restrictions 77W will have, and why they didn't put 77L here, and move 77W to DELSFO.

Nevertheless, a daytime arrival in BOM from USA is a game changer. AFAIK all other options with reasonable layovers (besides maybe EK) have at least a late evening arrival, if not overnight.


AI 140 is already used up. Thus 141/140 not used. Plus DEL JFK is 101/102. Makes sense this one having 105/106.
Now with the bill boards removed from BOM runway, 77W can do EWR BOM non stop. Thus AI is using 77W here as the market is good enough for it.
Yes daytime USA India non stop is something unique in AI and is one reason why their EWR flight still survives despite its competitor (UA) having better product and corporate contracts.
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Fri Oct 26, 2018 1:24 pm

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Also fuel is significantly cheaper when flying Int'l, isn't it ? sans all those local taxes..


There are several theories(not mine) on this. Not sure what is true.

AFAIK customs/excise duties depend on currency denomination.

ex-India - Rupee payment - Expensive because of customs and excise duties.
ex-India - Dollar payment - Cheaper because of no customs and excise duties
ex-Foreign station - Dollar payment - Cheapest Global prices and zero taxes.

I could be completely wrong.
 
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Fri Oct 26, 2018 3:25 pm

Also, what will be happening to the BOM-DEL tag of the DEL-JFK flight, and is it true that BOM-EWR will supposedly be 4x weekly?
 
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Fri Oct 26, 2018 4:16 pm

voxkel wrote:
Also, what will be happening to the BOM-DEL tag of the DEL-JFK flight, and is it true that BOM-EWR will supposedly be 4x weekly?

BOM EWR will be daily.
BOM DEL tag of AI 101 will be there as BOM DEL route needs capacity.
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Sat Oct 27, 2018 4:44 pm

binayak wrote:
voxkel wrote:
Also, what will be happening to the BOM-DEL tag of the DEL-JFK flight, and is it true that BOM-EWR will supposedly be 4x weekly?

BOM EWR will be daily.
BOM DEL tag of AI 101 will be there as BOM DEL route needs capacity.


Yeah I have a feeling that the JFK flight will cannibalise a lot of AI's EWR traffic, especially high yielding passengers. I dont' know what type of business/high-yielding travellers (from Manhattan, most likely) will prefer AI from EWR v. AI from JFK and UA from EWR. Even though JFK generally gets the high-yielding traffic, I am confident that UA's strong hub at EWR and polaris product on EWR-BOM will sway at least a couple NY-based people to EWR from their flight.

Also, one of these 2 flights need an AMD connector. EWR lost it in 2016, and EWR-LHR-AMD is also going away.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - 2018 (2)

Sun Oct 28, 2018 10:25 am

BLR Airport news: A summary of some of the new routes discussed in earlier posts here:

https://www.deccanherald.com/city/7-new ... 00246.html
 
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Sun Oct 28, 2018 8:42 pm

Air Tanzania announces DAR-BOM on B788.

https://livefromalounge.boardingarea.co ... a-flights/
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - 2018 (2)

Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:22 pm

I think AI launching JFK-BOM was a mistake. Just because DL announced they might launch doesn't mean AI needed to jump. AI needs EWR-DEL. EWR is where the VFR live and DEL is their hub. That said, AI knows their market. Perhaps they still get a lot of premium demand x BOM. I bet almost no one JFK based will use them in full J. AI's BOM-FRA looks more like a Star swap with Brussels discontinuing and then AI launching (3X instead of Daily). LH keeps some feed.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - 2018 (2)

Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:30 pm

Who knows, DL may place their code on AI JFK-BOM and call it a day.
 
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Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:55 pm

AI increases frequency on its historic DEL-TLV route to 5x daily weekly. When it was launched earlier this year, it became the first Israel bound route to overfly Saudi airspace in over 7 decades.
Edited.
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Tue Oct 30, 2018 12:16 am

unrave wrote:
AI increases frequency on its historic DEL-TLV route to 5x daily. When it was launched earlier this year, it became the first Israel bound route to overfly Saudi airspace in over 7 decades.

You need an edit to write 5x weekly.
 
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Tue Oct 30, 2018 5:31 am

unrave wrote:
AI increases frequency on its historic DEL-TLV route to 5x daily weekly. When it was launched earlier this year, it became the first Israel bound route to overfly Saudi airspace in over 7 decades.
Edited.


Is LY still considering suing AI over these overfly rights? AI should just threaten LY that they will launch BOM-TLV unless they back down.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - 2018 (2)

Wed Oct 31, 2018 1:59 am

Just heard that AC will be cancelling YYZ BOM route during summer 2019 .
Any idea why they're doing so? Is the route going to be seasonal or permanent cancellation?
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Wed Oct 31, 2018 5:10 am

binayak wrote:
Just heard that AC will be cancelling YYZ BOM route during summer 2019 .
Any idea why they're doing so? Is the route going to be seasonal or permanent cancellation?

It will now be YYZ Vadodara direct flight.
 
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Wed Oct 31, 2018 5:31 am

BrooklyBOMgal wrote:
binayak wrote:
Just heard that AC will be cancelling YYZ BOM route during summer 2019 .
Any idea why they're doing so? Is the route going to be seasonal or permanent cancellation?

It will now be YYZ Vadodara direct flight.

ROFL. Not STV or AMD ? :lol:
The original plan was to operate with a 77L from March to April and then 787-9.
I have a feeling that it has something to do with their fleet availability and AC will later on update this and continue YYZ BOM. But that's just a feeling. I'm not able to understand how can a route go from 4 weekly 789/77L to nothing at one go!
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - 2018 (2)

Wed Oct 31, 2018 12:11 pm

BrooklyBOMgal wrote:
binayak wrote:
Just heard that AC will be cancelling YYZ BOM route during summer 2019 .
Any idea why they're doing so? Is the route going to be seasonal or permanent cancellation?

It will now be YYZ Vadodara direct flight.


Or daily YVR-DEL
 
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Wed Oct 31, 2018 12:20 pm

binayak wrote:
ROFL. Not STV or AMD ? :lol:


Actually, I am going to propose STV-DTW non-stop. DTW being the leader of American airports and STV will be the mega hub of India. It will be a high yield route. Once WWWAS gets on board, no airline can deny the request. They are also experts in dealing with naysayers.

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