Indian Aviation Thread - 2018 (2)

unrave · Mon Jun 25, 2018 3:23 am

Indian government does not permit holding of multiple passports

AirIndia · Mon Jun 25, 2018 5:04 am

globetrotter94 wrote:
Slash787 wrote:
unrave wrote:
Any data to show that this service appeals to Israelis more than Indians

Indians who are travelling to Israel, don't they have a problem entering Arab countries with an Israeli stamp?

I have never been, personally, but I have heard there are ways around this. For example, Israeli immigration actually stamps a separate piece of paper, and then staples it to the passport so it is easily detachable. Travelling with multiple passports is also an option, although I have never had the need to inquire whether the Indian government allows a citizen to hold multiple passports.

You are right, the Israelis can stamp a separate piece of paper. Many Christians from ME travel to the holy-land via Jordan and use this option.

Also, constitution of India prohibits dual citizenship for Indians.

globetrotter94 · Mon Jun 25, 2018 8:38 am

AirIndia wrote:
globetrotter94 wrote:
Slash787 wrote:

Indians who are travelling to Israel, don't they have a problem entering Arab countries with an Israeli stamp?

I have never been, personally, but I have heard there are ways around this. For example, Israeli immigration actually stamps a separate piece of paper, and then staples it to the passport so it is easily detachable. Travelling with multiple passports is also an option, although I have never had the need to inquire whether the Indian government allows a citizen to hold multiple passports.

You are right, the Israelis can stamp a separate piece of paper. Many Christians from ME travel to the holy-land via Jordan and use this option.

Also, constitution of India prohibits dual citizenship for Indians.

By "travelling" with multiple passports, I did not mean dual citizenship. I meant that some countries actually are able to issue multiple passports to their citizens--so basically, it would be carrying 2 Indian passports at the same time. I don't know if GOI allows this.

dtw2hyd · Mon Jun 25, 2018 11:03 am

AirIndia wrote:
...
Also, constitution of India prohibits dual citizenship for Indians.

Is that rule for all citizens or with enough connections it is a-OK.

Kobhagade kids had both American and Indian passports.
Nirav Modi apparently carrying multiple Indian passports and maybe of few other countries.
Subramaniyan Swamy always claims Rahul Gandhi has British citizenship, apparently, he has documents to prove.

anshabhi · Mon Jun 25, 2018 12:40 pm

New pilot rostering scam at Air India (must read):
https://wap.business-standard.com/artic ... 025_1.html

VTORD · Mon Jun 25, 2018 1:50 pm

globetrotter94 wrote:

By "travelling" with multiple passports, I did not mean dual citizenship. I meant that some countries actually are able to issue multiple passports to their citizens--so basically, it would be carrying 2 Indian passports at the same time. I don't know if GOI allows this.

No GoI does not allow that either. Though I don't know how it works for government officials. Not sure if diplomatic passports are separate from personal ones.

binayak · Mon Jun 25, 2018 2:37 pm

Jet airways has ordered 75 more 737 max aircrafts thus taking the total order to 225.
A new thread has been started about it so discussions on this topic can be done here
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1397451

Slash787 · Mon Jun 25, 2018 2:59 pm

AirIndia wrote:
globetrotter94 wrote:
Slash787 wrote:

Indians who are travelling to Israel, don't they have a problem entering Arab countries with an Israeli stamp?

I have never been, personally, but I have heard there are ways around this. For example, Israeli immigration actually stamps a separate piece of paper, and then staples it to the passport so it is easily detachable. Travelling with multiple passports is also an option, although I have never had the need to inquire whether the Indian government allows a citizen to hold multiple passports.

You are right, the Israelis can stamp a separate piece of paper. Many Christians from ME travel to the holy-land via Jordan and use this option.

Also, constitution of India prohibits dual citizenship for Indians.

When I was in Jordan, I was told the same thing by my tour company but they said they don't give a separate paper for Indian citizens and that I will have to get the Israeli visa on my passport. So well an Israeli visa on my passport would be as bad as getting a stamp on the passport. I don't know if the Visa policy has changed now, but well this thing was 3 years ago.

Slash787 · Mon Jun 25, 2018 7:29 pm

Why hasn't Jet Airways released a cabin picture of B737MAX till now? it has been 6 days since the delivery. Its weird there has been no Indian media reporting or being allowed on the aircraft when the delivery happened. I remember when AI got their 787 and KF got their A330 the media was allowed inside to report.

dtw2hyd · Mon Jun 25, 2018 8:24 pm

Any details on Maharaja Direct? I hope they calculated ROI on this adventure, not just another media gimmick by dear leader. I sincerely think this is just to deflect public opposition against spending $180 Million Dhokla refit.

Historians still write about $$Millions wasted on 744 cabin refurbishments.

Hypothetically, 77Ws/77Ls should get same 788 J seat, drop the first class to have a consistent product.

Slash787 · Mon Jun 25, 2018 8:31 pm

dtw2hyd wrote:
Any details on Maharaja Direct?

Well supposedly it will be introduced on US flights by the end of July and I read that they will also do a make over for the 787 cabin in August. Weird, the 787 cabins are not that old.

AirIndia · Tue Jun 26, 2018 6:14 am

dtw2hyd wrote:
AirIndia wrote:
...
Also, constitution of India prohibits dual citizenship for Indians.

Is that rule for all citizens or with enough connections it is a-OK.

Kobhagade kids had both American and Indian passports.
Nirav Modi apparently carrying multiple Indian passports and maybe of few other countries.
Subramaniyan Swamy always claims Rahul Gandhi has British citizenship, apparently, he has documents to prove.

Recently a colleague got Portuguese citizenship. She had to surrender Indian passport get a certificate from the Indian consulate which was submitted to Portuguese embassy before she got her Euro passport. But then aam aadmi rules are different like u pointed out.

AirIndia · Tue Jun 26, 2018 6:15 am

Slash787 wrote:
AirIndia wrote:
globetrotter94 wrote:

I have never been, personally, but I have heard there are ways around this. For example, Israeli immigration actually stamps a separate piece of paper, and then staples it to the passport so it is easily detachable. Travelling with multiple passports is also an option, although I have never had the need to inquire whether the Indian government allows a citizen to hold multiple passports.

You are right, the Israelis can stamp a separate piece of paper. Many Christians from ME travel to the holy-land via Jordan and use this option.

Also, constitution of India prohibits dual citizenship for Indians.

When I was in Jordan, I was told the same thing by my tour company but they said they don't give a separate paper for Indian citizens and that I will have to get the Israeli visa on my passport. So well an Israeli visa on my passport would be as bad as getting a stamp on the passport. I don't know if the Visa policy has changed now, but well this thing was 3 years ago.

It is surprising to hear that.

anshabhi · Tue Jun 26, 2018 6:21 am

Slash787 wrote:
dtw2hyd wrote:
Any details on Maharaja Direct?

Well supposedly it will be introduced on US flights by the end of July and I read that they will also do a make over for the 787 cabin in August. Weird, the 787 cabins are not that old.

Their age is not old. Their appearance is just .........

This is so cool! @airVistara has managed to get an icon on @TwitterIndia. So every time you tweet with #FlyTheNewFeeling you get the Vistara tail sign on as well!

Xetron · Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:12 am

First 9W 737 MAX arrives at Mumbai.

BrooklyBOMgal · Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:35 am

Slash787 wrote:
Why hasn't Jet Airways released a cabin picture of B737MAX till now? it has been 6 days since the delivery. Its weird there has been no Indian media reporting or being allowed on the aircraft when the delivery happened. I remember when AI got their 787 and KF got their A330 the media was allowed inside to report.

https://twitter.com/BoeingAirplanes/sta ... 4416091136

Interior pic posted by Boeing

sand26391 · Tue Jun 26, 2018 12:03 pm

BrooklyBOMgal wrote:
Slash787 wrote:
Why hasn't Jet Airways released a cabin picture of B737MAX till now? it has been 6 days since the delivery. Its weird there has been no Indian media reporting or being allowed on the aircraft when the delivery happened. I remember when AI got their 787 and KF got their A330 the media was allowed inside to report.

https://twitter.com/BoeingAirplanes/sta ... 4416091136

Interior pic posted by Boeing

I dont think thats the interior. Isnt that like default interiors?

Slash787 · Tue Jun 26, 2018 12:04 pm

BrooklyBOMgal wrote:
https://twitter.com/BoeingAirplanes/sta ... 4416091136

Interior pic posted by Boeing

I have seen this pic, but it has not been "confirmed".

unrave · Tue Jun 26, 2018 12:05 pm

The colour scheme looks fugly

Slash787 · Tue Jun 26, 2018 12:08 pm

I guess they will reveal the interiors on the 28th

Slash787 · Tue Jun 26, 2018 12:10 pm

AirIndia wrote:
It is surprising to hear that.

Why is it surprising? don't Indian citizens have to get a Visa on their passport before going to Israel?

binayak · Tue Jun 26, 2018 12:10 pm

unrave wrote:
The colour scheme looks fugly

sand26391 wrote:
BrooklyBOMgal wrote:
Slash787 wrote:
Why hasn't Jet Airways released a cabin picture of B737MAX till now? it has been 6 days since the delivery. Its weird there has been no Indian media reporting or being allowed on the aircraft when the delivery happened. I remember when AI got their 787 and KF got their A330 the media was allowed inside to report.

https://twitter.com/BoeingAirplanes/sta ... 4416091136

Interior pic posted by Boeing

I dont think thats the interior. Isnt that like default interiors?

I have already linked the same earlier in this thread. Later I realized that there is a good chance for it to be a stock photo. After all there is no information from the airline about the interiors.

sand26391 · Tue Jun 26, 2018 1:08 pm

Thought so! Looks too stock to be true.

Slash787 · Thu Jun 28, 2018 3:59 pm

Some pics of the interior, the tablets looks small and the way it is placed in Economy, I have a feeling that some Passengers might break it.

https://twitter.com/LiveFromALounge

binayak · Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:00 pm

Slash787 wrote:
Some pics of the interior, the tablets looks small and the way it is placed in Economy, I have a feeling that some Passengers might break it.

https://twitter.com/LiveFromALounge

They haven't placed any tablets by default . It is a special area for placing personal device so that you can eat and watch jetscreen together.

dtw2hyd · Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:22 pm

binayak wrote:
..It is a special area for placing personal device so that you can eat and watch jetscreen together.

Unfortunately, humans have eyes mounted in the skull, not slightly above the stomach.

sabby · Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:33 pm

That's not a tablet, a phone. Pax can put their personal phones or tablets on the holder and use it stream content from on board computer. Quite a few companies do this on short haul economy these days. I think Jet already has similar concept in JetStream.

sturmovik · Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:40 pm

That upholstery reminds me of AC chair cars on trains from the nineties.

anubhav787 · Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:51 pm

https://www.instagram.com/livefromalounge/
More pictures can be found here...

binayak · Thu Jun 28, 2018 6:12 pm

dtw2hyd wrote:
binayak wrote:
..It is a special area for placing personal device so that you can eat and watch jetscreen together.

Unfortunately, humans have eyes mounted in the skull, not slightly above the stomach.

the phone is kept at the topmost layer of the seat back. So yes humans with eyes in skulls can comfortably see.

subramak1 · Thu Jun 28, 2018 7:15 pm

dtw2hyd wrote:
Any details on Maharaja Direct? I hope they calculated ROI on this adventure, not just another media gimmick by dear leader. I sincerely think this is just to deflect public opposition against spending $180 Million Dhokla refit.

Historians still write about $$Millions wasted on 744 cabin refurbishments.

Hypothetically, 77Ws/77Ls should get same 788 J seat, drop the first class to have a consistent product.

As if Mr. Modi has time to worry about these? Seriously where do you get such ideas from?

Subu

Slash787 · Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:42 pm

binayak wrote:
Slash787 wrote:
Some pics of the interior, the tablets looks small and the way it is placed in Economy, I have a feeling that some Passengers might break it.

https://twitter.com/LiveFromALounge

They haven't placed any tablets by default . It is a special area for placing personal device so that you can eat and watch jetscreen together.

Ok so it is bring your own device, we will just give a holder for it?

unrave · Fri Jun 29, 2018 2:46 am

Ugh, so the fugly colour scheme is actually real.

binayak · Fri Jun 29, 2018 3:37 am

Slash787 wrote:

Ok so it is bring your own device, we will just give a holder for it?

Yes it is. I think that is a much better way than having IFE screens which are difficult to maintain. Add to that the fact that you can't charge a premium for that service. So keeping costs in mind, IFE streaming in personal device is better.

sand26391 · Fri Jun 29, 2018 9:17 am

"SpiceJet to induct 20 Boeing 737 freighters to grow cargo business. First aircraft expected in July-August. Likely to serve Delhi, Bengaluru, Mumbai, Guwahati"
https://twitter.com/aneeshp/status/1012593458098384901

anshabhi · Fri Jun 29, 2018 10:02 am

sand26391 wrote:
"SpiceJet to induct 20 Boeing 737 freighters to grow cargo business. First aircraft expected in July-August. Likely to serve Delhi, Bengaluru, Mumbai, Guwahati"
https://twitter.com/aneeshp/status/1012593458098384901

Very very very surprising. Is the growing belly space with pax traffic not enough for cargo?? This is even worse than long haul operations. I hope this turns out to only be a rumour.

binayak · Fri Jun 29, 2018 10:30 am

sand26391 wrote:
"SpiceJet to induct 20 Boeing 737 freighters to grow cargo business. First aircraft expected in July-August. Likely to serve Delhi, Bengaluru, Mumbai, Guwahati"
https://twitter.com/aneeshp/status/1012593458098384901

is that a separate order or deducted from the 155 737max they've ordered?

sand26391 · Fri Jun 29, 2018 10:39 am

No information regarding this. Unlikely that SG will convert commercial and brand new MAX into Freighter ops

binayak · Fri Jun 29, 2018 1:00 pm

More pictures of jet's 737max interiors
https://www.bangaloreaviation.com/2018/ ... hotos.html

anshabhi · Fri Jun 29, 2018 1:11 pm

Apparently the showcasing event was curtailed due to the crash in Mumbai. Some more pictures:

https://networkthoughts.com/2018/06/28/ ... hoto-blog/

And guess where were these 2 pics taken !!

sibibom · Fri Jun 29, 2018 1:16 pm

binayak wrote:
More pictures of jet's 737max interiors
https://www.bangaloreaviation.com/2018/ ... hotos.html

Okay, WTF is this! A jail? or a serial killer's holding cage to torture before the kill?

That sink looks 6 inches wide! I don't think one can even turn around without knocking and hitting everything.

Forget the mile high club, I see it as potential problem in case someone has a medical emergency while using the restroom.

Its terrible!

sand26391 · Fri Jun 29, 2018 1:17 pm

Flew recently on MI's MAX to BLR and have to say it was comfortable for a 6ft guy like me. But I dont really think it would be very comfortable for a 5+hour journey IMO(Acc to media reports 9W is planning BLR-HKG route with the MAX). The 9W interiors also look very similar to MI MAX.
Good luck to 9W though!

binayak · Fri Jun 29, 2018 2:17 pm

anshabhi wrote:
Apparently the showcasing event was curtailed due to the crash in Mumbai. Some more pictures:

https://networkthoughts.com/2018/06/28/ ... hoto-blog/

And guess where were these 2 pics taken !!

Is the lower one of Tejas Express?

anubhav787 · Fri Jun 29, 2018 2:20 pm

anshabhi wrote:
Apparently the showcasing event was curtailed due to the crash in Mumbai. Some more pictures:

https://networkthoughts.com/2018/06/28/ ... hoto-blog/

And guess where were these 2 pics taken !!

These two pictures have really affected my love for the new business class seats.

unrave · Fri Jun 29, 2018 2:33 pm

Really poor choice of upholstery colour there. Another of Mrs. Goyal's artistic touches I presume.
Meanwhile IndiGo has opened bookings for its big bang entry to Surat. Bangalore Aviation has the complete schedule:
https://www.bangaloreaviation.com/2018/ ... ction.html

anshabhi · Fri Jun 29, 2018 2:44 pm

binayak wrote:
anshabhi wrote:
Apparently the showcasing event was curtailed due to the crash in Mumbai. Some more pictures:

https://networkthoughts.com/2018/06/28/ ... hoto-blog/

And guess where were these 2 pics taken !!

Is the lower one of Tejas Express?

It's actually the old Shatabdi chair car seats!!

subramak1 · Fri Jun 29, 2018 3:41 pm

dtw2hyd wrote:
subramak1 wrote:
[
As if Mr. Modi has time to worry about these? Seriously where do you get such ideas from?

Subu

It is a non-av question so the response has to be non-av which may get deleted, so I will give you a hint.

On the days Non-Resident PM of Gurarat stays in India, 4 hrs Yoga, and 4 hrs Aasi Ghat par Ganga Aarti, rest I will explain on a non-av thread.

Open one and we can discuss. Of course I did not understand anything else you said, may be it is just me.

Subu

Slash787 · Fri Jun 29, 2018 8:26 pm

sand26391 wrote:
Flew recently on MI's MAX to BLR and have to say it was comfortable for a 6ft guy like me. But I dont really think it would be very comfortable for a 5+hour journey IMO(Acc to media reports 9W is planning BLR-HKG route with the MAX). The 9W interiors also look very similar to MI MAX.
Good luck to 9W though!

If they are planning to do 4 hours Plus routes on the MAX which I know they would do, they should put full lie beds like how its on the Flydubai MAX.

anshabhi · Sat Jun 30, 2018 6:39 am

sand26391 wrote:
No information regarding this. Unlikely that SG will convert commercial and brand new MAX into Freighter ops

Apparently they are converting pax a/c into cargo. I suspect they got some unbelievably good deals from Boeing for converting old B737s into freighters.

https://www.business-standard.com/artic ... 949_1.html

qf789 · Sat Jun 30, 2018 7:30 am

AI increasing TLV flights to 4 weekly

https://twitter.com/FlightIntl/status/1 ... 6711395329

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