American Airlines orders 47 additional 787's (22 788's and 25 789's), cancels A350 order

paparrucho · Fri Apr 06, 2018 7:57 pm

Boeing web site says AA has placed an order for 47 additional 787s, but upon clicking on the news it shows an error. it’s the order firmed??

D L X · Fri Apr 06, 2018 8:05 pm

Looks legit to me.

Bye bye A350?

Continental767 · Fri Apr 06, 2018 8:05 pm

Front page, first image on Boeing's site.

TropicalSky · Fri Apr 06, 2018 8:10 pm

Wow that's huge if it's true....

OB1504 · Fri Apr 06, 2018 8:10 pm

Maybe 787-9s or 787-10s to use as 777-200 replacements? AA currently has exactly 47 772s, and they’re starting to hit 20 years old.

Last week it was reported than an order may be forthcoming: https://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/new ... -a330.html

paparrucho · Fri Apr 06, 2018 8:11 pm

konrad wrote:
paparrucho wrote:
AA ORDERS 47 787 FROM BOEING????

It would be strange if they ordered them from AIRBUS.

guess what I traid to said they are not leased

konrad · Fri Apr 06, 2018 8:11 pm

paparrucho wrote:
AA ORDERS 47 787 FROM BOEING????

It would be strange if they ordered them from AIRBUS.

Continental767 · Fri Apr 06, 2018 8:12 pm

Perfect replacements for the older 772s and A333s. 89 787s at one airline. Wow.

81819 · Fri Apr 06, 2018 8:14 pm

konrad wrote:
paparrucho wrote:
AA ORDERS 47 787 FROM BOEING????

It would be strange if they ordered them from AIRBUS.

If I remember correctly Delta ordered their E190's from Boeing.

mikejepp · Fri Apr 06, 2018 8:18 pm

OB1504 wrote:
Maybe 787-9s or 787-10s to use as 777-200 replacements? AA currently has exactly 47 772s, and they’re starting to hit 20 years old.

Last week it was reported than an order may be forthcoming: https://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/new ... -a330.html

Yep I bet you're right. 772 replacements.

But what about A330 replacements? And growth?

boeing737max · Fri Apr 06, 2018 8:20 pm

mikejepp wrote:
This will make AA have the world's largest 787 fleet, correct?

Yes, slightly larger than ANA's 83

mikejepp · Fri Apr 06, 2018 8:20 pm

This will make AA have the world's largest 787 fleet, correct?

American 767 · Fri Apr 06, 2018 8:20 pm

mikejepp wrote:
OB1504 wrote:
Maybe 787-9s or 787-10s to use as 777-200 replacements? AA currently has exactly 47 772s, and they’re starting to hit 20 years old.

Last week it was reported than an order may be forthcoming: https://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/new ... -a330.html

Yep I bet you're right. 772 replacements.

But what about A330 replacements? And growth?

And what about the last remaining 767s? Those are leaving sooner than the 772s will. American has 23 or 24 767s still remaining in the fleet, it looks like they will be leaving the fleet at the same time as the A333s will, if not at the same time not long after the A333s leave.

osupoke07 · Fri Apr 06, 2018 8:21 pm

mikejepp wrote:
This will make AA have the world's largest 787 fleet, correct?

According to Boeing's order and delivery page, ANA has 83 with 20 yet to be delivered. So, AA's 89 will eventually surpass that.

Etihad looks to be the next closest with 71, however they only have 19 operating and 52 are still undelivered.

ahj2000 · Fri Apr 06, 2018 8:23 pm

Wow. Huge news. I wonder if theyll go for 78J now.

Also, still no word on smaller replacements? 797?

deltaSEAalsaka · Fri Apr 06, 2018 8:24 pm

Seems to have been taken down from the Boeing homepage at this point.

LupineChemist · Fri Apr 06, 2018 8:26 pm

Any idea on breakdown of types. All -9s or are there -10s in there?

Antarius · Fri Apr 06, 2018 8:26 pm

American 767 wrote:
mikejepp wrote:
OB1504 wrote:
Maybe 787-9s or 787-10s to use as 777-200 replacements? AA currently has exactly 47 772s, and they’re starting to hit 20 years old.

Last week it was reported than an order may be forthcoming: https://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/new ... -a330.html

Yep I bet you're right. 772 replacements.

But what about A330 replacements? And growth?

And what about the last remaining 767s? Those are leaving sooner than the 772s will. American has 23 or 24 767s still remaining in the fleet, it looks like they will be leaving the fleet at the same time as the A333s will, if not at the same time not long after the A333s leave.

This.

The 772s just finished up a CIP program over the last few years including new lay flat J, new Y seats and PTV/power/wifi throughout. They have plenty of life left.

mikejepp · Fri Apr 06, 2018 8:26 pm

American 767 wrote:
mikejepp wrote:
OB1504 wrote:
Maybe 787-9s or 787-10s to use as 777-200 replacements? AA currently has exactly 47 772s, and they’re starting to hit 20 years old.

Last week it was reported than an order may be forthcoming: https://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/new ... -a330.html

Yep I bet you're right. 772 replacements.

But what about A330 replacements? And growth?

And what about the last remaining 767s? Those are leaving sooner than the 772s will. American has 23 or 24 767s still remaining in the fleet, it looks like they will be leaving the fleet at the same time as the A333s will, if not at the same time not long after the A333s leave.

Well, 24 767 + 22 A330 = 46. Thats pretty much what this order is. Hmmm..

Antarius · Fri Apr 06, 2018 8:26 pm

deltaSEAalsaka wrote:
Seems to have been taken down from the Boeing homepage at this point.

Weird.. I went to see the article and it is gone

American 767 · Fri Apr 06, 2018 8:30 pm

D L X wrote:
Looks legit to me.

Bye bye A350?

I think you're right. It looks like at this point Delta and United will be the only two US based airlines operating the A350 (Delta is already). It is now becoming evident, although still not 100% sure, American will not be taking the A350.

osupoke07 · Fri Apr 06, 2018 8:31 pm

Antarius wrote:
deltaSEAalsaka wrote:
Seems to have been taken down from the Boeing homepage at this point.

Weird.. I went to see the article and it is gone

There was never an article. I think the splash page was posted in error.

kaitak · Fri Apr 06, 2018 8:36 pm

osupoke07 wrote:
Antarius wrote:
deltaSEAalsaka wrote:
Seems to have been taken down from the Boeing homepage at this point.

Weird.. I went to see the article and it is gone

There was never an article. I think the splash page was posted in error.

Wonder if someone's going to be in trouble - possible that Boeing leaked it before it was made official. Do they have to file something with the SEC before an official announcement has made; maybe someone at Boeing jumped the gun.

Hopefully it comes to fruition anyway. With the completing Airbus products (A330NEO, for example) ruled out and doubts cast over the viability of the small A350 order, a further 787 order was/is really a matter of "when", not "if".

bzcat · Fri Apr 06, 2018 8:38 pm

osupoke07 wrote:
Antarius wrote:
deltaSEAalsaka wrote:
Seems to have been taken down from the Boeing homepage at this point.

Weird.. I went to see the article and it is gone

There was never an article. I think the splash page was posted in error.

The website update was probably pre-loaded by the marketing team timed for release after the market closes. But the press release must have been delayed and someone forgot to cancel the website refresh. It's Friday afternoon... they just want to go home :cheeky:

Revelation · Fri Apr 06, 2018 8:40 pm

mikejepp wrote:
Well, 24 767 + 22 A330 = 46. Thats pretty much what this order is. Hmmm..

Or:

keesje wrote:
American will have to place an order the cover 777-200ER replacement in the next decade.

There are 47 777-200ER in use, 22 A350-900s on order.

11 787-9 are in the backlog and 40 A330's/ 767 are being replaced in th next few years. .

IMO a combined order of ~40 787-9/-10s and A350-900/1000's is on the agenda.

Ref: viewtopic.php?t=1373579

Revelation · Fri Apr 06, 2018 8:42 pm

osupoke07 wrote:
Antarius wrote:
deltaSEAalsaka wrote:
Seems to have been taken down from the Boeing homepage at this point.

Weird.. I went to see the article and it is gone

There was never an article. I think the splash page was posted in error.

Reminds me of how we saw the HA 787 rendering online at boeing.com before the order was announced.

osupoke07 · Fri Apr 06, 2018 8:43 pm

bzcat wrote:
osupoke07 wrote:
Antarius wrote:

Weird.. I went to see the article and it is gone

There was never an article. I think the splash page was posted in error.

The website update was probably pre-loaded by the marketing team timed for release after the market closes. But the press release must have been delayed and someone forgot to cancel the website refresh. It's Friday afternoon... they just want to go home

That seems incredibly likely. The website updated only a few minutes after 4:00 est, when the markets close.

keesje · Fri Apr 06, 2018 8:47 pm

mikejepp wrote:
OB1504 wrote:
Maybe 787-9s or 787-10s to use as 777-200 replacements? AA currently has exactly 47 772s, and they’re starting to hit 20 years old.

Last week it was reported than an order may be forthcoming: https://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/new ... -a330.html

Yep I bet you're right. 772 replacements.

But what about A330 replacements? And growth?

That would mean the A330s and 767 would stay. Not sure..

448205 · Fri Apr 06, 2018 8:53 pm

Revelation wrote:
osupoke07 wrote:
Antarius wrote:

Weird.. I went to see the article and it is gone

There was never an article. I think the splash page was posted in error.

Reminds me of how we saw the HA 787 rendering online at boeing.com before the order was announced.

Along with the Airbus 251T A330 job posting someone found on here.

I'll give a.net credit there. You guys find some quirky stuff.

Momo1435 · Fri Apr 06, 2018 8:57 pm

2018 could turn out to be a very successful order year for the 787.

ikolkyo · Fri Apr 06, 2018 8:59 pm

Interested to hear from AA what aircraft these 787s are replacing, I still believe the MOM is in the cards for AA to eventually take over the 767's role in the fleet. Only issue is short term the AA 767s are in horrible shape interior wise outside of J.

Stitch · Fri Apr 06, 2018 9:01 pm

Well the original American Airlines order was for 42 frames, so this is not an old news item being thrown up on accident.

jbs2886 · Fri Apr 06, 2018 9:04 pm

Stitch wrote:
Well the original American Airlines order was for 42 frames, so this is not an old news item being thrown up on accident.

The A330neo has been reported to be out of the running and the A350 has been deferred until 2020.

That was exactly what I was thinking was whether this somehow was the old article, but appears to not be.

American 767 · Fri Apr 06, 2018 9:04 pm

keesje wrote:
mikejepp wrote:
OB1504 wrote:
Maybe 787-9s or 787-10s to use as 777-200 replacements? AA currently has exactly 47 772s, and they’re starting to hit 20 years old.

Last week it was reported than an order may be forthcoming: https://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/new ... -a330.html

Yep I bet you're right. 772 replacements.

But what about A330 replacements? And growth?

That would mean the A330s and 767 would stay. Not sure..

The 767s and the A330-300s no. Those are leaving in a not too distant future. But the A330-200s are staying, American is not getting rid of them at least not in the near future.

Slash787 · Fri Apr 06, 2018 9:18 pm

I would love to see B787-10 for AA

N62NA · Fri Apr 06, 2018 9:28 pm

Now if we could only get some 787s here in MIA.

ctrabs0114 · Fri Apr 06, 2018 9:31 pm

American 767 wrote:
And what about the last remaining 767s? Those are leaving sooner than the 772s will. American has 23 or 24 767s still remaining in the fleet, it looks like they will be leaving the fleet at the same time as the A333s will, if not at the same time not long after the A333s leave.

As far as the 767 fleet is concerned, I wouldn't be shocked if they're waiting to see what Boeing does with this proposed MOM/NMA/797 program. If AA believes that the MOM/NMA/797 is an appropriate replacement for the 767 - or, for that matter, the 757 - as opposed to what Airbus is offering, then I wouldn't be shocked if they take that direction.

YouGeeElWhy · Fri Apr 06, 2018 9:33 pm

15+9+23=47

15 A332
09 A333
23 B767

BoeingGuy · Fri Apr 06, 2018 9:34 pm

It’s not on the employee Boeing News Now either. Not on Seattletimes.com either.

ctrabs0114 · Fri Apr 06, 2018 9:35 pm

BoeingGuy wrote:
It’s not on the employee Boeing News Now either. Not on Seattletimes.com either.

As of 1730 EDT, the lead story on Boeing's website is not the proposed AA purchase of 47 Dreamliners. So, either someone jumped the gun on that press release or this might've been a false rumor.

osupoke07 · Fri Apr 06, 2018 9:36 pm

Per airfleets.net, American has 47 combined 767 and 330 right now.

23 763 @ 209 seats
15 332 @ 260 seats
09 333 @ 291 seats
47

American's 787 seat counts -

788 @ 226 seats
789 @ 285 seats

I theorize that this order is to replace all of these, even the 332, to stream line the wide-body fleet. My guess is a mix of 17 more 788 to cover the routes where the capacity of the 789 is not needed, and 30 789 for the balance of the order.

UpNAWAy · Fri Apr 06, 2018 9:36 pm

BoeingGuy wrote:
It’s not on the employee Boeing News Now either. Not on Seattletimes.com either.

I actually think AA has a board meeting early next week and they would have to approve it. So a tentative deal may be signed but just not ready for public consumption.

Strato2 · Fri Apr 06, 2018 9:37 pm

Good for Boeing. Good also for Airbus that they get money from AA without having to give anything in return.

OA940 · Fri Apr 06, 2018 9:45 pm

I could see either a 788/789 mix for the 767/A330's, or a 789/78J mix for the 77E's. Either way the 789 is probably in (even tho a 47-strong 788 or 78J order would be amazing).

QXAS · Fri Apr 06, 2018 9:54 pm

This is a huge order if it indeed comes to fruition. They currently have 58 options if my memory serves right. So what are they doing with the remaining 11? Does the -8 in the press release mean anything? Because if they’re getting some -8s then these are likely 767/332/333 replacements. If it’s just -9s or if -10s are involved then it’s 772 most likely replacements. Depending on the variants ordered, we could have our answer to the future of the A350 order. A350s won’t replace 767s and 332s.

aeromoe · Fri Apr 06, 2018 9:55 pm

konrad wrote:
paparrucho wrote:
AA ORDERS 47 787 FROM BOEING????

It would be strange if they ordered them from AIRBUS.

Or Amazon.

Arion640 · Fri Apr 06, 2018 10:14 pm

Considering the alledged article was on the official, main Boeing website - it's probably true.

BWIAirport · Fri Apr 06, 2018 10:15 pm

In addition to replacing older 772s and 763s, we may see more routes similar to RDU-LHR, such as PIT/CLE/CVG-LHR.

YouGeeElWhy · Fri Apr 06, 2018 10:18 pm

MoM and A321LR could replace the 757s and some of the 767s
787-8 could replace some the 767s and the A332s
787-9 could replace the 772s and the A333s (which need to go soon)
A350-1000 could replace the 77Ws.

The "possible" AA MoM order would make up the difference in planes they for widebody replacements, but they need planes for growth too, so expect more widebodies unless they order a boatload of MoMs.

EvanWSFO · Fri Apr 06, 2018 10:23 pm

ahj2000 wrote:
Wow. Huge news. I wonder if theyll go for 78J now.

Also, still no word on smaller replacements? 797?

Why would there be discussion on a 797 when it's still just a concept?

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