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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2018

Mon Apr 09, 2018 8:42 am

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AKL-SYD eff 28 Oct 18 increase from 5 to 6 daily

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AKL-SYD is becoming just about fully 777 service too, this is an typically day in December this year.

0700 - 77E
0900 - 77W
1100 - 77E
1300 - 77E
1600 - 77E
1930 - 320

With QF now putting the A332 double daily on AKL-SYD, looks like NZ wants to protect its market share of seats on this route. Not leaving many passengers left for VA to fight for.
 
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Mon Apr 09, 2018 8:46 am

VA introduce updated iphone app and new android app.

https://www.ausbt.com.au/virgin-austral ... ource=hero
 
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Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:22 am

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VA introduce updated iphone app and new android app.

https://www.ausbt.com.au/virgin-austral ... ource=hero


Thank god! Current one was atrocious to use!!
 
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Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:45 am

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planemanofnz wrote:
angusjt wrote:
I wonder what effect this will have on SAA

Perhaps SAA will take on QF in the challenge, and launch something like JNB - MEL or CPT - SYD? :lol:

Cheers,

C.

The writing is on the wall here. I think SA will drop frequency to PER. QF used to fly JNB-PER-SYD and a quite a number of years back used to do JNB-PER as a seasonal flight( this flight had pretty decent loads, at that time SA-QF were still in code share). If QF can time the flights better than NZ to connect with SA flight, then QF are onto a good thing....
Also rumour is that QF is looking at CPT from SYD when this happens not sure.
Regards


Given that this is due to start 8th December its likely a seasonal flight to start with. Perhaps QF will do seasonal just to test the waters. As mentioned SA will have to drop frequency.

Here are the BITRE numbers on PER-JNB for the past 2 years

Inbound is on the left while outbound the right, to read numbers (actual passenger numbers/available seats) then load factor

Jan 2016 8036/8525 94.3% 7598/8525 89.1% 31 services
Feb 2016 5419/7451 72.7% 5276/7453 70.8% 29 services
Mar 2016 5828/7823 74.5% 6904/7825 88.2% 31 services
Apr 2016 6885/8484 81.2% 6724/8420 79.9 % 29 services
May 2016 4956/6888 72.0% 4666/6952 67.1% 26 services
Jun 2016 4834/8538 56.6% 6317/8474 74.5% 30 services
Jul 2016 7269/8415 86.4% 6338/8479 74.7% 31 services
Aug 2016 5183/7957 65.1% 5612/7957 70.5% 31 services
Sep 2016 6169/8026 76.9% 6755/8028 84.1% 30 services
Oct 2016 7070/8215 86.1% 5378/8217 65.4% 31 services
Nov 2016 5050/8282 61.0% 5869/8282 70.9% 30 services
Dec 2016 7686/8929 86.1% 8063/8929 90.3% 31 services
Jan 2017 7911/8857 89.3% 7047/8857 79.6% 31 services
Feb 2017 5024/7331 68.5% 4775/7395 64.6% 27 services
Mar 2017 6114/8017 76.3% 6007/8017 74.9% 31 services
Apr 2017 7615/8288 91.9% 7270/8222 88.4% 30 services
May 2017 5352/7451 71.8% 5484/7515 73.0% 29 services
Jun 2017 4605/7836 58.8% 6358/7836 81.1% 30 services
Jul 2017 7210/7895 91.3% 6034/7895 76.4% 31 services
Aug 2017 5049/7833 64.4% 5427/7833 69.3% 31 services
Sep 2017 6358/7896 80.5% 6698/7896 84.8% 30 services
Oct 2017 6520/7835 83.2% 5296/7835 67.6% 31 services
Nov 2017 4947/7580 65.3% 5126/7580 67.6% 30 services
Dec 2017 7361/8479 86.8% 7470/8479 88.1% 31 services
Jan 2018 7002/8087 86.6% 6583/8087 81.4% 31 services

https://bitre.gov.au/publications/ongoi ... tions.aspx
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2018

Mon Apr 09, 2018 10:23 am

Does that include those passengers via dubai/singapore etc?

As talking to a south african today no one he knows flies SAA.
 
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Mon Apr 09, 2018 10:45 am

I wonder if QF starting PER - JNB will push NZ to start a South Africa service? Possibly via PER from AKL as well to provide a Star Alliance airline on the route should SA withdraw.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2018

Mon Apr 09, 2018 10:48 am

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Does that include those passengers via dubai/singapore etc?

As talking to a south african today no one he knows flies SAA.


No, all numbers are traffic carried by SA
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2018

Mon Apr 09, 2018 11:13 am

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HBA needs a direct flight to Perth first if it wants to avoid a backtrack.


qf2220 wrote:

Sorry, yes, of course - my bad! Perhaps JNB and LHR connections might just be enough to make a case for HBA-PER flights?


Apparently the numbers for HBA-PER don't stack up yet, but may do in the future. See my post from the March thread <here>.
 
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Mon Apr 09, 2018 11:25 am

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SA744 wrote:
planemanofnz wrote:
Perhaps SAA will take on QF in the challenge, and launch something like JNB - MEL or CPT - SYD? :lol:

Cheers,

C.

The writing is on the wall here. I think SA will drop frequency to PER. QF used to fly JNB-PER-SYD and a quite a number of years back used to do JNB-PER as a seasonal flight( this flight had pretty decent loads, at that time SA-QF were still in code share). If QF can time the flights better than NZ to connect with SA flight, then QF are onto a good thing....
Also rumour is that QF is looking at CPT from SYD when this happens not sure.
Regards


Any possibility that QF might do a tag-on to CPT first...PER-JNB-CPT...

This is also maybe with the eye on capacity reduction changing SYD-JNB from 744 to 789?


SYD-JNB wont change to 789 for sometime, it will probably be one of the last 744 routes

As for PER-JNB-CPT I think it will just be to JNB not a tag to CPT
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Mon Apr 09, 2018 11:25 am

SA744 wrote:
planemanofnz wrote:
angusjt wrote:
I wonder what effect this will have on SAA

Perhaps SAA will take on QF in the challenge, and launch something like JNB - MEL or CPT - SYD? :lol:

Cheers,

C.

The writing is on the wall here. I think SA will drop frequency to PER. QF used to fly JNB-PER-SYD and a quite a number of years back used to do JNB-PER as a seasonal flight( this flight had pretty decent loads, at that time SA-QF were still in code share). If QF can time the flights better than NZ to connect with SA flight, then QF are onto a good thing....
Also rumour is that QF is looking at CPT from SYD when this happens not sure.
Regards


Any possibility that QF might do a tag-on to CPT first...PER-JNB-CPT...

This is also maybe with the eye on capacity reduction changing SYD-JNB from 744 to 789?
 
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Mon Apr 09, 2018 11:33 am

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I wonder if QF starting PER - JNB will push NZ to start a South Africa service? Possibly via PER from AKL as well to provide a Star Alliance airline on the route should SA withdraw.

No - NZ will not fly to JNB via PER, as Cam Wallace of NZ told CAPA in October 2017 that: “It is not sustainable for us to do beyond point to point travel. Our new aircraft will allow us to continue this and focus on single flight routes”. The only tag service that NZ has maintained is LAX - LHR, and that is unique because NZ has been able to build up brand recognition on the route for ~25 years, and it has great yields.

See: https://blueswandaily.com/air-new-zeala ... evolution/.

Even on single flight routes, NZ will not launch either AKL - JNB / CPT, because, AFAIK, AKL - CPT is too far south, and too much over Antarctica, to be feasible - special, costly rules would apply to such flights, as the flights track even further south than the likes of SYD - SCL. In addition, JNB is hot and high, which will be a significant impediment to any NZ service to that city (aside from the low yield and connections).

Besides this, South Africa is unlikely for NZ, not only because its economy is a disaster at the moment (with a 2017 full year GDP growth forecast of just 0.5 percent, and with its credit rating downgraded to 'junk' status by Fitch in April 2017), but also because New Zealand - South Africa ties have deteriorated significantly of late (both countries have eliminated visa-free travel for each other's citizens).

See:
- https://www.cnbc.com/2017/07/24/why-sou ... bleak.html.
- https://www.immigration.govt.nz/about-u ... -nationals.
- http://www.traveller24.com/TravelPlanni ... s-20161213.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2018

Mon Apr 09, 2018 11:42 am

I think a Qantas/Comair codeshare would be the best short term solution for them to access Cape Town, along with other cities in southern Africa like Harare, Durban, Windhoek etc.
 
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Mon Apr 09, 2018 11:42 am

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As talking to a south african today no one he knows flies SAA ...

Eh, okay, well SA seems to be doing just fine without that individual and his, what, ~10 acquaintances or so? Seriously - people here are saying that nobody flies SA to PER, yet others are saying PER is SA's most profitable destination - what is it?

If QF is only doing this route on a seasonal basis, I see it as mainly a low-yielding VFR route - SA will be able to keep the lucrative high-yielding contracts traffic (if there is any), as that would be more frequency and seasonal-sensitive. We'll see.

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Mon Apr 09, 2018 12:02 pm

GRJGeorge wrote:
SA744 wrote:
planemanofnz wrote:
Perhaps SAA will take on QF in the challenge, and launch something like JNB - MEL or CPT - SYD? :lol:

Cheers,

C.

The writing is on the wall here. I think SA will drop frequency to PER. QF used to fly JNB-PER-SYD and a quite a number of years back used to do JNB-PER as a seasonal flight( this flight had pretty decent loads, at that time SA-QF were still in code share). If QF can time the flights better than NZ to connect with SA flight, then QF are onto a good thing....
Also rumour is that QF is looking at CPT from SYD when this happens not sure.
Regards


Any possibility that QF might do a tag-on to CPT first...PER-JNB-CPT...

This is also maybe with the eye on capacity reduction changing SYD-JNB from 744 to 789?


I know the 787 has received FAA approval for 330 minute extended operations but has CASA approved anything for more then ETOPS180? If NO is the answer then SYD-JNB remains B747 ops.

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Mon Apr 09, 2018 12:33 pm

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Ultimate scenario would be a 4 x weekly PER-JNB accompanied by a 3 x weekly PER-CPT, but one can dream.

I mean, it would be possible with 1 aircraft.

Yea, it'd be great to see the ambition at PER continue, with the likes of:

Image

Each of these routes really exploits PER's geographic advantages! :)

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Mon Apr 09, 2018 12:34 pm

Ultimate scenario would be a 4 x weekly PER-JNB accompanied by a 3 x weekly PER-CPT, but one can dream.

I mean, it would be possible with 1 aircraft.
 
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Mon Apr 09, 2018 12:41 pm

planemanofnz wrote:
ben175 wrote:
Ultimate scenario would be a 4 x weekly PER-JNB accompanied by a 3 x weekly PER-CPT, but one can dream.

I mean, it would be possible with 1 aircraft.

Yea, it'd be great to see the ambition at PER continue, with the likes of:

Image

Each of these routes really exploits PER's geographic advantages! :)

Cheers,

C.


What app did you use to design the point to point routes?

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Mon Apr 09, 2018 12:41 pm

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As talking to a south african today no one he knows flies SAA ...

Eh, okay, well SA seems to be doing just fine without that individual and his, what, ~10 acquaintances or so? Seriously - people here are saying that nobody flies SA to PER, yet others are saying PER is SA's most profitable destination - what is it?

Cheers,

C.


Maybe its just Aussies who dont know any better.
:)

And its not just one person its dozens and dozens as i mix with heaps over many many years. All of them go via asia or dubai.

Your map above shows mumbai id say watch this space thats being pushed hard.
 
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Mon Apr 09, 2018 12:48 pm

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Your map above shows mumbai id say watch this space thats being pushed hard.

Cool.

What I also find fascinating is that routes like PER - CMB are possible with new narrow-bodies, like the 321NEO - a route for a QF-UL JV?

Even PER - BOM is just within the range of the 321NEO, as is PER - HKG / PVG / TPE / CTU / AKL / CHC - perhaps there's JQ potential?

EK413 wrote:
What app did you use to design the point to point routes?

gcmap.com - enjoy!

Image

Cheers,

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Mon Apr 09, 2018 12:51 pm

From my sources PER-JNB defiantly going ahead, start date also correct. Also some talk it may run as a single flight number MEL-PER-JNB but defiantly not a certainty
 
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From my sources PER-JNB defiantly going ahead, start date also correct. Also some talk it may run as a single flight number MEL-PER-JNB but defiantly not a certainty


Thanks for sharing, will it be seasonal or year round
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Mon Apr 09, 2018 12:59 pm

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qf789 wrote:
log0008 wrote:
From my sources PER-JNB defiantly going ahead, start date also correct. Also some talk it may run as a single flight number MEL-PER-JNB but defiantly not a certainty


Thanks for sharing, will it be seasonal or year round


Sounds year round but main thing I can confirm is that Melbourne crew have been advised of the flight and it will be crewed from the Melbourne A330 base.

Any rumours on what will happen to the SYD - JNB service (if anything, at all)? A frequency downgrade?

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log0008 wrote:
From my sources PER-JNB defiantly going ahead, start date also correct. Also some talk it may run as a single flight number MEL-PER-JNB but defiantly not a certainty


Thanks for sharing, will it be seasonal or year round


Sounds year round but main thing I can confirm is that Melbourne crew have been advised of the flight and it will be crewed from the Melbourne A330 base.
 
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log0008 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
log0008 wrote:
From my sources PER-JNB defiantly going ahead, start date also correct. Also some talk it may run as a single flight number MEL-PER-JNB but defiantly not a certainty


Thanks for sharing, will it be seasonal or year round


Sounds year round but main thing I can confirm is that Melbourne crew have been advised of the flight and it will be crewed from the Melbourne A330 base.


Thanks for the info. Can we expect one of the domestic MEL-PER flights to go from A330 to 738 or even the number of services be reduced
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qf789 wrote:

Thanks for sharing, will it be seasonal or year round


Sounds year round but main thing I can confirm is that Melbourne crew have been advised of the flight and it will be crewed from the Melbourne A330 base.


Thanks for the info. Can we expect one of the domestic MEL-PER flights to go from A330 to 738 or even the number of services be reduced


No idea would expect it just to fit into the current MEL-PER sector again this part is only rumoured I am not sure if it’s backed with fact or just rumours among Melbourne based crew being fueled by the allocation of the to the Melbourne base, regardless of if its same flight number crew would opperated a domestic sector, night in Perth, flight to JNB, night/2 in JNB, return, night in Perth then flight back, this is how QF 9/10 is mostly flown although they are opening a small Perth crew based.
 
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Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:20 pm

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Sounds year round but main thing I can confirm is that Melbourne crew have been advised of the flight and it will be crewed from the Melbourne A330 base.


Thanks for the info. Can we expect one of the domestic MEL-PER flights to go from A330 to 738 or even the number of services be reduced


No idea would expect it just to fit into the current MEL-PER sector again this part is only rumoured I am not sure if it’s backed with fact or just rumours among Melbourne based crew being fueled by the allocation of the to the Melbourne base, regardless of if its same flight number crew would opperated a domestic sector, night in Perth, flight to JNB, night/2 in JNB, return, night in Perth then flight back, this is how QF 9/10 is mostly flown although they are opening a small Perth crew based.


Thanks, just to add I have just heard that there is talk that SA will switch PER from A340’s to A330’s, not sure when this would take effect though
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Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:26 pm

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Your map above shows mumbai id say watch this space thats being pushed hard.

Cool.

What I also find fascinating is that routes like PER - CMB are possible with new narrow-bodies, like the 321NEO - a route for a QF-UL JV?

Even PER - BOM is just within the range
Cheers,

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This route has been done before not only by Scare India but BA too

Government sees huge potential i think theres a delegation is there now even pushing to get it done
 
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Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:29 pm

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log0008 wrote:
qf789 wrote:

Thanks for the info. Can we expect one of the domestic MEL-PER flights to go from A330 to 738 or even the number of services be reduced


No idea would expect it just to fit into the current MEL-PER sector again this part is only rumoured I am not sure if it’s backed with fact or just rumours among Melbourne based crew being fueled by the allocation of the to the Melbourne base, regardless of if its same flight number crew would opperated a domestic sector, night in Perth, flight to JNB, night/2 in JNB, return, night in Perth then flight back, this is how QF 9/10 is mostly flown although they are opening a small Perth crew based.


Thanks, just to add I have just heard that there is talk that SA will switch PER from A340’s to A330’s, not sure when this would take effect though



I have seen recently a couple of SAA flights into perth which were A330s
Surely the A340s are getting a bit past it anyways
 
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Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:37 pm

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qf789 wrote:
log0008 wrote:

No idea would expect it just to fit into the current MEL-PER sector again this part is only rumoured I am not sure if it’s backed with fact or just rumours among Melbourne based crew being fueled by the allocation of the to the Melbourne base, regardless of if its same flight number crew would opperated a domestic sector, night in Perth, flight to JNB, night/2 in JNB, return, night in Perth then flight back, this is how QF 9/10 is mostly flown although they are opening a small Perth crew based.


Thanks, just to add I have just heard that there is talk that SA will switch PER from A340’s to A330’s, not sure when this would take effect though



I have seen recently a couple of SAA flights into perth which were A330s
Surely the A340s are getting a bit past it anyways


That was about a month ago, think they were trial runs, agree the A340’s are past it, the onboard product i have been told us pretty average

Anyway there seems to be quite a bit of international activity for PER at the moment.
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Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:37 pm

A through flight number seems strange when you have qf9 and qf10 running through. The planned arrival time does make sense for a through flight for pax heading east. Perhaps the flight number would begin in BNE or SYD instead? Maybe even a cheeky ADL upgauge and provide an international flight from there to connect onto LHR SIN and JNB.

BNE would prob be my pick though, heck, the last 789 would be in service by then. Perhaps BNE becomes the origin for PER-LHR and MEL would go back to an A388 through to LHR with perhaps a midnight departure overnighting to SIN. Onwards to LHR for a mid arvo arrival, comes back as a lunchtime departure with the aircraft from qf1 for a morning arrival into SIN and then a day flight to MEL. Meaning you could do the LHR legs with only 5 frames like theybdid through DXB. This would give QF some more variety to SIN and help fill that 388 they put on MEL-SIN, which I have heard has not been selling great.
 
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Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:54 pm

I was rather hoping for a single flight number same-plane service through to BNE (BNE-PER-JNB) also, for personal connections of course...and as far as I understand there's also a bigger South African expat community around Brisbane and surrounding coastal areas than in Melbourne area...however I doubt that's really the main target markets as such, more than enough real Aussies wanting to visit Southern Africa.
 
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Mon Apr 09, 2018 2:52 pm

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I think a Qantas/Comair codeshare would be the best short term solution for them to access Cape Town, along with other cities in southern Africa like Harare, Durban, Windhoek etc.


While no longer officially partners SAA and Qantas still have a fairly comprehensive interline in place covering domestic feed. QF put significantly more domestic traffic onto SA than MN*BA, and this has kept ticking along just fine without a formal codeshare agreement.
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From my sources PER-JNB defiantly going ahead, start date also correct. Also some talk it may run as a single flight number MEL-PER-JNB but defiantly not a certainty

According to airlineroute the flight as of 9 April QF have removed from schedule filing
 
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log0008 wrote:
From my sources PER-JNB defiantly going ahead, start date also correct. Also some talk it may run as a single flight number MEL-PER-JNB but defiantly not a certainty

According to airlineroute the flight as of 9 April QF have removed from schedule filing


The flight will need to come from the east coast because there are no International crew based in Perth.

The sand gropers can’t operate the A330 internationallly.
 
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Also rumour is that QF is looking at CPT from SYD when this happens not sure.
Regards


How many frames would a 3pw CPT and 4pw JNB service need? One or less than one?
 
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Also rumour is that QF is looking at CPT from SYD when this happens not sure.
Regards


How many frames would a 3pw CPT and 4pw JNB service need? One or less than one?


From SYD 1.5, JNB-SYD and return is about 29 hours, SYD-CPT(5945nm) is about the same distance as JNB-JNB (5963nm)

From PER, PER-JNB could be done with 1 frame (just) 4495nm, PER-CPT would say just over 1 frame at 4702nm. During winter flight time on PER-JNB can be pushed out to 12 hours so I would imagine CPT would be about 45min-1 hour longer
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angusjt wrote:
I think a Qantas/Comair codeshare would be the best short term solution for them to access Cape Town, along with other cities in southern Africa like Harare, Durban, Windhoek etc.


While no longer officially partners SAA and Qantas still have a fairly comprehensive interline in place covering domestic feed. QF put significantly more domestic traffic onto SA than MN*BA, and this has kept ticking along just fine without a formal codeshare agreement.


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log0008 wrote:
From my sources PER-JNB defiantly going ahead, start date also correct. Also some talk it may run as a single flight number MEL-PER-JNB but defiantly not a certainty

According to airlineroute the flight as of 9 April QF have removed from schedule filing


I see these two posts and wonder if there is some sort of renegotiation of the interline contract rates going on and QF might be just throwing a spanner in the works to get better rates from SA?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2018

Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:36 am

planemanofnz wrote:
ben175 wrote:
Ultimate scenario would be a 4 x weekly PER-JNB accompanied by a 3 x weekly PER-CPT, but one can dream.

I mean, it would be possible with 1 aircraft.

Yea, it'd be great to see the ambition at PER continue, with the likes of:

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Each of these routes really exploits PER's geographic advantages! :)

Cheers,

C.

I can't see the point of PER-BOM. If there is a market to India, it can be easily met using the 789 direct from SYD. The Indian market is fairly fragmented between BOM, DEL, HYD and BLR so there is a question if any direct service is worth it anyway. The current scissor hub operation in SIN between QF and 9W probably works better and avoids pax having to deal with the chaos that often defines domestic travel in India.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2018

Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:39 am

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I was rather hoping for a single flight number same-plane service through to BNE (BNE-PER-JNB) also, for personal connections of course...and as far as I understand there's also a bigger South African expat community around Brisbane and surrounding coastal areas than in Melbourne area...however I doubt that's really the main target markets as such, more than enough real Aussies wanting to visit Southern Africa.


I think regardless, there will be good connections with the PER-JNB flight from any East Coast city, QF would be stupid not to do so. But since apparently the flight crew are from the Melbourne base, it makes sense that the flight would originate in MEL, compared to SYD or BNE for example.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2018

Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:47 am

tullamarine wrote:
planemanofnz wrote:
ben175 wrote:
Ultimate scenario would be a 4 x weekly PER-JNB accompanied by a 3 x weekly PER-CPT, but one can dream.

I mean, it would be possible with 1 aircraft.

Yea, it'd be great to see the ambition at PER continue, with the likes of:

Image

Each of these routes really exploits PER's geographic advantages! :)

Cheers,

C.

I can't see the point of PER-BOM. If there is a market to India, it can be easily met using the 789 direct from SYD. The Indian market is fairly fragmented between BOM, DEL, HYD and BLR so there is a question if any direct service is worth it anyway. The current scissor hub operation in SIN between QF and 9W probably works better and avoids pax having to deal with the chaos that often defines domestic travel in India.



Qantas wouldnt be the one doing PER-BOM
WA government is throwing the kitchen sink for direct flights with the Indian carriers. Apparently there is an increase in Indian tourists into WA and they are trying to capture that.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2018

Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:52 am

waoz1 wrote:
tullamarine wrote:
planemanofnz wrote:
Yea, it'd be great to see the ambition at PER continue, with the likes of:

Image

Each of these routes really exploits PER's geographic advantages! :)

Cheers,

C.

I can't see the point of PER-BOM. If there is a market to India, it can be easily met using the 789 direct from SYD. The Indian market is fairly fragmented between BOM, DEL, HYD and BLR so there is a question if any direct service is worth it anyway. The current scissor hub operation in SIN between QF and 9W probably works better and avoids pax having to deal with the chaos that often defines domestic travel in India.



Qantas wouldnt be the one doing PER-BOM
WA government is throwing the kitchen sink for direct flights with the Indian carriers. Apparently there is an increase in Indian tourists into WA and they are trying to capture that.


There is a good summary in the following link about all new and upgraded services in the pipeline for PER

http://www.aviationwa.org.au/2018/03/21 ... -to-perth/
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2018

Tue Apr 10, 2018 6:30 am

redroo wrote:
SA744 wrote:
log0008 wrote:
From my sources PER-JNB defiantly going ahead, start date also correct. Also some talk it may run as a single flight number MEL-PER-JNB but defiantly not a certainty

According to airlineroute the flight as of 9 April QF have removed from schedule filing


The flight will need to come from the east coast because there are no International crew based in Perth.

The sand gropers can’t operate the A330 internationallly.


I think you will find us 'Sand gropers' can operate A330 internationally, and you will find us 'Sand Gropers' operate quiet a few different A332/333 flights internationally throughout the international network, as a matter of fact, only last week, 2 A330's to HKG were operated by Short Haul crew.
Not to mention when the seasonally A330's operate PER-AKL and PER-SIN they are operated by 'Sand Gropers'.

And to put a technicality in there, if a Short Haul Crew operated the 4 X Week PER-JNB, the total duty time would in fact be shorter than our current PER-SIN-PER duty.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2018

Tue Apr 10, 2018 6:35 am

flyjetstar wrote:
I wonder if QF starting PER - JNB will push NZ to start a South Africa service? Possibly via PER from AKL as well to provide a Star Alliance airline on the route should SA withdraw.


It wont happen - at the moment New Zealand and South Africa are having an Visa war, e.g. both countries now require each other countries passport holders to get an visa. For an New Zealand Passport holder wanting to travel to South Africa - you now have to travel to Wellington in person to apply for an Visa.

Basically you're looking at around $500 extra now added onto your trip to South Africa to get an visa, everywere else that NZ currently fly's too (expect China) New Zealand Passports get visa less access.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2018

Tue Apr 10, 2018 8:50 am

EY suspending flights to PER effective Oct 1. Announcement to come.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2018

Tue Apr 10, 2018 8:52 am

JQflightie wrote:
redroo wrote:
SA744 wrote:
According to airlineroute the flight as of 9 April QF have removed from schedule filing


The flight will need to come from the east coast because there are no International crew based in Perth.

The sand gropers can’t operate the A330 internationallly.


I think you will find us 'Sand gropers' can operate A330 internationally, and you will find us 'Sand Gropers' operate quiet a few different A332/333 flights internationally throughout the international network, as a matter of fact, only last week, 2 A330's to HKG were operated by Short Haul crew.
Not to mention when the seasonally A330's operate PER-AKL and PER-SIN they are operated by 'Sand Gropers'.

And to put a technicality in there, if a Short Haul Crew operated the 4 X Week PER-JNB, the total duty time would in fact be shorter than our current PER-SIN-PER duty.


I stand corrected. It used to be an absolute no no.
 
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Tue Apr 10, 2018 9:10 am

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EY suspending flights to PER effective Oct 1. Announcement to come.


Announcement on Routes Online

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... -sep-2018/
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2018

Tue Apr 10, 2018 10:09 am

It has always amazed me how perth supported an EK (x2), EY and QR flight. With sub $1000 fares (CX !!) to Europe I can’t see how anyone is making any money. Looks like EY wasn’t.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2018

Tue Apr 10, 2018 10:25 am

BAeRJ100 wrote:
EY suspending flights to PER effective Oct 1. Announcement to come.

Where will they code-share to PER through? Going via SYD, MEL or HKG on VA will require a significant back-track.

It'll be interesting to see whether BNE is dropped too - I should think not, given the lack of QR at BNE supporting EY.

A few months ago, there had also been rumours of EY launching ADL and WLG - I doubt those will eventuate now!

Cheers,

C.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2018

Tue Apr 10, 2018 10:27 am

JQflightie wrote:
redroo wrote:
SA744 wrote:
According to airlineroute the flight as of 9 April QF have removed from schedule filing


The flight will need to come from the east coast because there are no International crew based in Perth.

The sand gropers can’t operate the A330 internationallly.


I think you will find us 'Sand gropers' can operate A330 internationally, and you will find us 'Sand Gropers' operate quiet a few different A332/333 flights internationally throughout the international network, as a matter of fact, only last week, 2 A330's to HKG were operated by Short Haul crew.
Not to mention when the seasonally A330's operate PER-AKL and PER-SIN they are operated by 'Sand Gropers'.

And to put a technicality in there, if a Short Haul Crew operated the 4 X Week PER-JNB, the total duty time would in fact be shorter than our current PER-SIN-PER duty.


Correct me if I’m wrong but not too long after the 330s arrived, a significant chunk of Asia 330 flying was moved to short-haul crew to save costs as at that time pre-QCCA due to allowances shorthaul crew were cheaper. Also not a contributing factor but at the same time long haul crew did the SYD-PER on a 744 cheaply too.

I am hopefully for the PER-JNB, however I am skeptical around the MEL crew operating it. Generally crew tech and cabin, along with ground staff are the last to know and are informed when a press release comes as they have such high contact with passengers and can’t kept such things confidential for long.

Sidenote - Is there a 330 tech crew base in PER, and BNE? 789 is MEL only at this stage, 744 is SYD only, 380 is SYD only? 738 is PER,SYD,MEL,BNE- ADL?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2018

Tue Apr 10, 2018 10:43 am

little bit surprising re EY,
Perth had slightly more EY passengers than Brisbane for Jan and Dec, maybe yields were awful. 789s for both carriers I think. That's despite BNE not having a QR service as well.
Nice gift for QR as they have the a380 from May.
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