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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2018

Sun Apr 08, 2018 1:46 am

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Sitting on QF10 PER-MEL and there is literally 4 of us in premium economy... I think it goes to show just how PER-centric this flight is! Pretty spectacular to have a whole row across to myself.


Not sure you can judge one flight on a saturday night. Also havent you thought many passengers might be either stopping over for the weekend and are actually booked on alternate services


Believe me I wasn’t judging - I haven’t been on a PER-MEL flight that empty in nearly 5 years! It was fantastic for me!

Saying that, down the back was pretty full. I saw on the staff arrival screens total pax was 168, and business was less than half full too so it seems everyone was down the end. I was just more surprised at the lack of premium LHR-MEL customers - Saturday isn’t usually a factor for international routes (every other arrival was 80-100% full)

I also did get this flight for only $2 more than the PER-MEL domestic lunch time service, so maybe it was a one off. Fly this route on a Saturday if you want to try Y+ with a points upgrade!
 
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Sun Apr 08, 2018 2:29 am

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waoz1 wrote:
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Sitting on QF10 PER-MEL and there is literally 4 of us in premium economy... I think it goes to show just how PER-centric this flight is! Pretty spectacular to have a whole row across to myself.


Not sure you can judge one flight on a saturday night. Also havent you thought many passengers might be either stopping over for the weekend and are actually booked on alternate services


Believe me I wasn’t judging - I haven’t been on a PER-MEL flight that empty in nearly 5 years! It was fantastic for me!

Saying that, down the back was pretty full. I saw on the staff arrival screens total pax was 168, and business was less than half full too so it seems everyone was down the end. I was just more surprised at the lack of premium LHR-MEL customers - Saturday isn’t usually a factor for international routes (every other arrival was 80-100% full)

I also did get this flight for only $2 more than the PER-MEL domestic lunch time service, so maybe it was a one off. Fly this route on a Saturday if you want to try Y+ with a points upgrade!


Remember that MEL pax also has the A380 option via SIN connecting to QF1/2, even though there is the QF9/10 too. SIN is still a preferred transit point for many pax.
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Sun Apr 08, 2018 4:06 am

People probably won't tend to book PE on MEL-PER given it doesn't exist on any other service, and most corporates policies will either be J or Y
 
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Remember that MEL pax also has the A380 option via SIN connecting to QF1/2, even though there is the QF9/10 too. SIN is still a preferred transit point for many pax.


The SIN option on the A380 leaves you with a 6 hour transit, so not very competitive. For a quicker connection you have to take the A330 service later in the day which connects well with QF1, but that doesn't offer PY service all the way.
 
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Sun Apr 08, 2018 5:59 am

I actually just realised it's not even possible to book the PER-MEL and MEL-PER legs on the website in Y+! I guess the only way to snag a seat is to upgrade with points?
 
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Sun Apr 08, 2018 10:26 am

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I actually just realised it's not even possible to book the PER-MEL and MEL-PER legs on the website in Y+! I guess the only way to snag a seat is to upgrade with points?


Seems you can when are tacking on to MEL-LAX or SFO
 
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Sun Apr 08, 2018 10:37 am

I expect that the domestic booking engine is simply not configured to offer W inventory at the moment, considering that these are the only two flights where it's presently available and the last time before this was QF8 BNE-SYD, which ended in September 2014.

No idea whether or not they'll change that - I suspect not though as it would probably suck a certain number of passengers off the standard flights.
 
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Picture of VH-OQF in the new livery in Dubai
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A push to reform aviation laws seem to be grounded

A push to reform aviation laws to reduce crippling costs and red tape appears grounded, with new minister Michael McCormack refusing to embrace changes agreed by his predecessor.
Former air safety boss Dick Smith in February claimed to have secured a commitment from then-deputy prime minister Barnaby Joyce and Labor’s Anthony Albanese for bipartisan changes to the Civil Aviation Act.
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Picture of VH-OQF in the new livery in Dubai
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The newroo scheme really suits the A380. Big thumbs up!
 
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From another angle titles really suit the A380 :)

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The winged kangaroo at the nose looks a bit too far forward in relation to the name IMO
 
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Sun Apr 08, 2018 1:07 pm

ben175 wrote:
waoz1 wrote:
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Sitting on QF10 PER-MEL and there is literally 4 of us in premium economy... I think it goes to show just how PER-centric this flight is! Pretty spectacular to have a whole row across to myself.


Not sure you can judge one flight on a saturday night. Also havent you thought many passengers might be either stopping over for the weekend and are actually booked on alternate services


Believe me I wasn’t judging - I haven’t been on a PER-MEL flight that empty in nearly 5 years! It was fantastic for me!

Saying that, down the back was pretty full. I saw on the staff arrival screens total pax was 168, and business was less than half full too so it seems everyone was down the end. I was just more surprised at the lack of premium LHR-MEL customers - Saturday isn’t usually a factor for international routes (every other arrival was 80-100% full)

I also did get this flight for only $2 more than the PER-MEL domestic lunch time service, so maybe it was a one off. Fly this route on a Saturday if you want to try Y+ with a points upgrade!


Good to see you had an emptyish flight, but the reality is that you’re judging your comments about lack of premium demand on one flight. Not exactly the best way of analysing anything sorry to say.

At the end of the day, QF is only one option for pax to Europe. The PER option will take some getting used to for some, and many will also continue to choose options via the either QF or other carriers via Asia or the Gulf.

I know a few that have booked the QF A380 via SIN over the next few months as the Y+ product on the 789 is not a preferred option for them, or me for that matter after trying them both. The A380’s older seat felt better and gave a better feeling of space.
 
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The winged kangaroo at the nose looks a bit too far forward in relation to the name IMO


With the tech equipment in that space, it really left little in the way of options really.

I like this livery on the A380. The logo on the engines is far better than the previous livery, which seemed to be a bit more awkward, but it’s surprising the 789 didn’t get them.

I know that Boeing seems to not prefer engines to be painted on the 789, but just seemed odd to leave a design feature like that off one type.
 
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I actually just realised it's not even possible to book the PER-MEL and MEL-PER legs on the website in Y+! I guess the only way to snag a seat is to upgrade with points?


Fairly sure the seats are open to people with status (Platinum Ones and up I think) and are selectable to those passengers when they are booked in economy class.
 
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From another angle titles really suit the A380 :)

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The winged kangaroo at the nose looks a bit too far forward in relation to the name IMO


I agree, however there are pitot tubes in the way so they had to move it forward to not interfere.

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EK413 wrote:
From another angle titles really suit the A380 :)

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The winged kangaroo at the nose looks a bit too far forward in relation to the name IMO


With the tech equipment in that space, it really left little in the way of options really.

I like this livery on the A380. The logo on the engines is far better than the previous livery, which seemed to be a bit more awkward, but it’s surprising the 789 didn’t get them.

I know that Boeing seems to not prefer engines to be painted on the 789, but just seemed odd to leave a design feature like that off one type.


I believe the lack of logo on the B789 engine cowling also had to do with spare parts considering JQ have same power plants & white cowlings.

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Sun Apr 08, 2018 9:40 pm

Looks like QF may be about to announce a new route, Perth-Johannesburg

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... -dec-2018/
 
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Sun Apr 08, 2018 10:44 pm

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Looks like QF may be about to announce a new route, Perth-Johannesburg

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... -dec-2018/


Hope we see this come to fruition. PER has a very large South African population, but PER is also perfectly placed for feed from AKL (if it ever becomes permanent) MEL,SYD. SYD flights can probs hold their own with out other feed. Nice bit of competition to SA.
 
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Sun Apr 08, 2018 10:49 pm

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Looks like QF may be about to announce a new route, Perth-Johannesburg

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... -dec-2018/


But why file it one way? Just curious.
 
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Looks like QF may be about to announce a new route, Perth-Johannesburg

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... -dec-2018/


But why file it one way? Just curious.


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Sun Apr 08, 2018 11:36 pm

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n729pa wrote:
log0008 wrote:
Looks like QF may be about to announce a new route, Perth-Johannesburg

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... -dec-2018/


But why file it one way? Just curious.


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Sun Apr 08, 2018 11:46 pm

Good news re-JNB, not only will it be a good service from Perth but it would be a better alternative then connecting via Sydney or Dubai.

I wonder what effect this will have on SAA
 
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Mon Apr 09, 2018 12:11 am

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ben175 wrote:
waoz1 wrote:

Not sure you can judge one flight on a saturday night. Also havent you thought many passengers might be either stopping over for the weekend and are actually booked on alternate services


Believe me I wasn’t judging - I haven’t been on a PER-MEL flight that empty in nearly 5 years! It was fantastic for me!

Saying that, down the back was pretty full. I saw on the staff arrival screens total pax was 168, and business was less than half full too so it seems everyone was down the end. I was just more surprised at the lack of premium LHR-MEL customers - Saturday isn’t usually a factor for international routes (every other arrival was 80-100% full)

I also did get this flight for only $2 more than the PER-MEL domestic lunch time service, so maybe it was a one off. Fly this route on a Saturday if you want to try Y+ with a points upgrade!


Remember that MEL pax also has the A380 option via SIN connecting to QF1/2, even though there is the QF9/10 too. SIN is still a preferred transit point for many pax.


I flew LHR-PER-MEL on QF10 yesterday and would observe the following:
    flight was quite full on LHR-PER with about 20 free seats which I assume were probably blocked anyway
    I'm not sure that the 789 as configured is the ideal plane for this with fairly tight Y configuration and inadequate number of toilets. Were the pax numbers there, you'd have to think that the A380 would be the best plane.
    16.5 hours is a long time in Y class. I think SQ have it right in concentrating on premium cabins only on ULH routes. Lots of people were complaining of cramps etc after being seated for so long. I can only imagine what 20 hours would be like
    It was my first time on 787. I was surprised how noisy the cabin was. How come Airbus always seems to end up with the quieter cabin than Boeing?
    Only about 60 people seemed to continue on with me on PER-MEL leg though plane was about 70% filled with domestic pax. I think the previous Sunday arvo domestic flight has been replaced by QF10
    Given QF10 to MEL used to be an A380, it would be interesting to see where these pax have gone. My MEL-DXB (EK codeshare) service was full so maybe they have gone there.
    Speaking with cabin crew, it appears PER-LHR-PER is all London based cabin crew. This is because LHR crew is on reduced salary and overnights in PER are a lot less than overnights in London. The crew were all very good.
    There were a few angry domestic pax in PER trying to access the new lounge. (Only us transitting pax got access)
    The new lounge is very nice though the outdoor area is probably less attractive than the outdoor area available to general pax. The lounge appears way over-staffed with bored staff walking around continually asking of you'd like a drink or more food.
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Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:14 am

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Looks like QF may be about to announce a new route, Perth-Johannesburg

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... -dec-2018/


Interesting. One could assume a 4pm ish departure from PER that gets into JNB by 9pm that night with a short turnaround. Good daily use of one aircraft.

Couple of questions, how will this impact the SYD service? perhaps that will drop to 4 or 5pw as this new filing operates on a Wed when the direct service only goes seqsonally.
Will the refurbs of the 332s be completed by then?
 
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Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:18 am

Scoot to go daily to MEL from June. Will also split schedule to offer better connections for India and Europe

https://blueswandaily.com/scoot-upgrade ... nd-europe/
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Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:21 am

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Looks like QF may be about to announce a new route, Perth-Johannesburg

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... -dec-2018/

I'd have preferred a summer seasonal PER - CPT service, linking to BNE, SYD, MEL and the summer seasonal PER - AKL service. South Africa's economy isn't doing too well, but tourism is strong, and CPT is the heart of that tourism boom - plus, 1) PER already has flights to JNB on SA, so it'll be more competitive than CPT, and 2) QF already has flights to JNB, albeit from SYD, so for passengers from the likes of MEL, BNE and AKL, this adds nothing. :(

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Mon Apr 09, 2018 2:05 am

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log0008 wrote:
Looks like QF may be about to announce a new route, Perth-Johannesburg

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... -dec-2018/

I'd have preferred a summer seasonal PER - CPT service, linking to BNE, SYD, MEL and the summer seasonal PER - AKL service. South Africa's economy isn't doing too well, but tourism is strong, and CPT is the heart of that tourism boom - plus, 1) PER already has flights to JNB on SA, so it'll be more competitive than CPT, and 2) QF already has flights to JNB, albeit from SYD, so for passengers from the likes of MEL, BNE and AKL, this adds nothing. :(

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CPT is an interesting one. I wonder if instead of the last 789 going to the US, we could have a BNE-SYD--CPT 3pw as a seasonal route as you suggest. CPT was always on the original maps showcasing dreamliner performance and potential. And if you drop back SYDJNB to 3pw you still have some good options.
 
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Mon Apr 09, 2018 2:06 am

qantas747 wrote:
log0008 wrote:
Looks like QF may be about to announce a new route, Perth-Johannesburg

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... -dec-2018/


Interesting. One could assume a 4pm ish departure from PER that gets into JNB by 9pm that night with a short turnaround. Good daily use of one aircraft.

Couple of questions, how will this impact the SYD service? perhaps that will drop to 4 or 5pw as this new filing operates on a Wed when the direct service only goes seqsonally.
Will the refurbs of the 332s be completed by then?


I would assume a slightly earlier departure to facilitate connections to CPT. SA377 JNB-CPT departs at 21:15. I’d therefore expect an arrival around 19:00, so a 14:00 departure from PER.
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qantas747 wrote:
log0008 wrote:
Looks like QF may be about to announce a new route, Perth-Johannesburg

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... -dec-2018/


Interesting. One could assume a 4pm ish departure from PER that gets into JNB by 9pm that night with a short turnaround. Good daily use of one aircraft.

Couple of questions, how will this impact the SYD service? perhaps that will drop to 4 or 5pw as this new filing operates on a Wed when the direct service only goes seqsonally.
Will the refurbs of the 332s be completed by then?


I would assume a slightly earlier departure to facilitate connections to CPT. SA377 JNB-CPT departs at 21:15. I’d therefore expect an arrival around 19:00, so a 14:00 departure from PER.


Ah yep. Fair Play. I was only thinking of aircraft resources, when they would be likely rotating the other 332s through PER anyway.
 
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log0008 wrote:
Looks like QF may be about to announce a new route, Perth-Johannesburg

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... -dec-2018/

I'd have preferred a summer seasonal PER - CPT service, linking to BNE, SYD, MEL and the summer seasonal PER - AKL service. South Africa's economy isn't doing too well, but tourism is strong, and CPT is the heart of that tourism boom - plus, 1) PER already has flights to JNB on SA, so it'll be more competitive than CPT, and 2) QF already has flights to JNB, albeit from SYD, so for passengers from the likes of MEL, BNE and AKL, this adds nothing. :(

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A PER-JNB flight will be aimed at the local market. While there may be connections the majority of the traffic will be from PER. JNB is also the best option as it offers better connections than what CPT would. As for SA they are in a lot of financial trouble, while PER is rumoured to be one of their profitable routes we would likely see SA reduce frequencies and I would go so far to say that this could be the beginning of the end of SA at PER. The market is also bigger than the one non-stop service. A QF service would also take traffic off those connecting services such as EK & SQ and MK also carries some traffic from PER to JNB via MRU. A service to CPT would be better serviced from SYD.

Finally the comment that from the likes of BNE, MEL and AKL this new service adds nothing is frankly a load of crap. PER is an option for these flights as it offers a same terminal transfer, in other words those stepping off domestic flights depending on what gate they arrive at are anywhere from a 1 minute to 3 minute walk to security. On AKL there is no word what QF is doing yet, there are no schedules bookable yet for next summer so if they add frequency on the route there is also a chance the flight will be retimed to connect to PER-LHR, so the aircraft that flies AKL-PER could also likely then fly PER-JNB. It also fits in the mantra of what QF has said about the LHR flights, it gives passengers more choices.
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Interesting. One could assume a 4pm ish departure from PER that gets into JNB by 9pm that night with a short turnaround. Good daily use of one aircraft.

Couple of questions, how will this impact the SYD service? perhaps that will drop to 4 or 5pw as this new filing operates on a Wed when the direct service only goes seqsonally.
Will the refurbs of the 332s be completed by then?


I would assume a slightly earlier departure to facilitate connections to CPT. SA377 JNB-CPT departs at 21:15. I’d therefore expect an arrival around 19:00, so a 14:00 departure from PER.


Ah yep. Fair Play. I was only thinking of aircraft resources, when they would be likely rotating the other 332s through PER anyway.


I think departure will either have to be earlier or later as when there are widebodies at Gates 18 & 20 there is no room for another at Gate 19 otherwise it with clash with QF10
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Looks like QF may be about to announce a new route, Perth-Johannesburg

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... -dec-2018/

I'd have preferred a summer seasonal PER - CPT service, linking to BNE, SYD, MEL and the summer seasonal PER - AKL service. South Africa's economy isn't doing too well, but tourism is strong, and CPT is the heart of that tourism boom - plus, 1) PER already has flights to JNB on SA, so it'll be more competitive than CPT, and 2) QF already has flights to JNB, albeit from SYD, so for passengers from the likes of MEL, BNE and AKL, this adds nothing. :(

Cheers,

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A PER-JNB flight will be aimed at the local market. While there may be connections the majority of the traffic will be from PER. JNB is also the best option as it offers better connections than what CPT would. As for SA they are in a lot of financial trouble, while PER is rumoured to be one of their profitable routes we would likely see SA reduce frequencies and I would go so far to say that this could be the beginning of the end of SA at PER. The market is also bigger than the one non-stop service. A QF service would also take traffic off those connecting services such as EK & SQ and MK also carries some traffic from PER to JNB via MRU. A service to CPT would be better serviced from SYD.

Finally the comment that from the likes of BNE, MEL and AKL this new service adds nothing is frankly a load of crap. PER is an option for these flights as it offers a same terminal transfer, in other words those stepping off domestic flights depending on what gate they arrive at are anywhere from a 1 minute to 3 minute walk to security. On AKL there is no word what QF is doing yet, there are no schedules bookable yet for next summer so if they add frequency on the route there is also a chance the flight will be retimed to connect to PER-LHR, so the aircraft that flies AKL-PER could also likely then fly PER-JNB. It also fits in the mantra of what QF has said about the LHR flights, it gives passengers more choices.



Seems they might be circling SAA hoping something might happen.
If they are planning 4 times a week, could we not see a year round - AKL-PER-JNB?
As SAA and NZ work that route together. It seems swapping to Terminal 3 for Qantas might actually make other routes viable for them.


You also 100% correct there are a bucket load of South Africans in the West. Most I know actually dont want to fly SAA and quiet a few fly via Dubai/Singapore and even KL to get there. So Qantas could be on a winner.
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Interesting news surrounding QF A330 PER-JNB announcement. Great frame utilisation and seem less considering Domestic and Internarional under the one roof. ;)

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Seems they might be circling SAA hoping something might happen.
If they are planning 4 times a week, could we not see a year round - AKL-PER-JNB?
As SAA and NZ work that route together. It seems swapping to Terminal 3 for Qantas might actually make other routes viable for them.


You also 100% correct there are a bucket load of South Africans in the West. Most I know actually dont want to fly SAA and quiet a few fly via Dubai/Singapore and even KL to get there. So Qantas could be on a winner.


I think a AKL-PER-JNB routing is quite plausible, I have long thought if QF were going to fly year round to AKL they could not rely on just PER-AKL traffic as it is quite seasonal. There probably is not enough traffic to justify the flight by just offering connections to LHR, add JNB probably helps that business case

I know someone who flew SA last year, she told me it was awful, her words and would rather go through another city such as SIN or DXB rather than fly non-stop. The product onboard SA isn't great and this is one area where QF has an advantage
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2018

Mon Apr 09, 2018 4:55 am

waoz1 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
planemanofnz wrote:
I'd have preferred a summer seasonal PER - CPT service, linking to BNE, SYD, MEL and the summer seasonal PER - AKL service. South Africa's economy isn't doing too well, but tourism is strong, and CPT is the heart of that tourism boom - plus, 1) PER already has flights to JNB on SA, so it'll be more competitive than CPT, and 2) QF already has flights to JNB, albeit from SYD, so for passengers from the likes of MEL, BNE and AKL, this adds nothing. :(

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A PER-JNB flight will be aimed at the local market. While there may be connections the majority of the traffic will be from PER. JNB is also the best option as it offers better connections than what CPT would. As for SA they are in a lot of financial trouble, while PER is rumoured to be one of their profitable routes we would likely see SA reduce frequencies and I would go so far to say that this could be the beginning of the end of SA at PER. The market is also bigger than the one non-stop service. A QF service would also take traffic off those connecting services such as EK & SQ and MK also carries some traffic from PER to JNB via MRU. A service to CPT would be better serviced from SYD.

Finally the comment that from the likes of BNE, MEL and AKL this new service adds nothing is frankly a load of crap. PER is an option for these flights as it offers a same terminal transfer, in other words those stepping off domestic flights depending on what gate they arrive at are anywhere from a 1 minute to 3 minute walk to security. On AKL there is no word what QF is doing yet, there are no schedules bookable yet for next summer so if they add frequency on the route there is also a chance the flight will be retimed to connect to PER-LHR, so the aircraft that flies AKL-PER could also likely then fly PER-JNB. It also fits in the mantra of what QF has said about the LHR flights, it gives passengers more choices.



Seems they might be circling SAA hoping something might happen.
If they are planning 4 times a week, could we not see a year round - AKL-PER-JNB?
As SAA and NZ work that route together. It seems swapping to Terminal 3 for Qantas might actually make other routes viable for them.


You also 100% correct there are a bucket load of South Africans in the West. Most I know actually dont want to fly SAA and quiet a few fly via Dubai/Singapore and even KL to get there. So Qantas could be on a winner.



There are plenty of SAs here in Perth that would give their right arms to avoid flying SAA.

Also South32 has significant operations in both WA and SA.

I too know of quite a few people that take the long route through DXB as well.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2018

Mon Apr 09, 2018 4:57 am

I hate to be a party pooper, but I honestly don’t see much business case for PER-AKL on QF if the local market isn’t large enough to support it outright.

If the connections are optimised for QF9/10 the schedule would look something like this:

PER-AKL 14:50-01:00
AKL-PER 13:30-17:00

I guess the PER-AKL could turn to QF140 (06:40 departure) and the AKL-PER could come from QF141 (12:15 arrival), but unless they can figure out a way of optimising their schedule by moving other aircraft around then this would be problematic as it would have a flow-on impact on other services out of AKL.

Moreover a 01:00 arrival is not particularly preferable, and not competitive with EK/QR/SQ/CX. While there are a reasonable number of Qantas Frequent Flyer members in New Zealand, Qantas would not be able to command the yield premium they can in the Australian market. When QR is dumping $1200 fares to Europe, I can’t see how jumping head-long into the one-stop NZ-Europe market with higher costs and an inferior schedule is a good idea.

With regards to JNB, Qantas already offers same-terminal connections from AKL, CHC and WLG via SYD, with decent connections in both directions to all three ports.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2018

Mon Apr 09, 2018 5:01 am

Looks like Malindo's MEL flights have gone on sale. No special promo fares or announcements yet but bookable on their homepage.

MEL-DPS is just under $320 each way / $635 return, KUL is around $370 one-way or $750 return. For DPS that's about 10% below QF's return fares on the dates I've checked (they seem to be around $710 return most off-peak dates). Hoping for a good introduction sale, because at those fares I'd go JQ or QF.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2018

Mon Apr 09, 2018 5:43 am

smi0006 wrote:
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Looks like QF may be about to announce a new route, Perth-Johannesburg

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... -dec-2018/


Hope we see this come to fruition. PER has a very large South African population, but PER is also perfectly placed for feed from AKL (if it ever becomes permanent) MEL,SYD. SYD flights can probs hold their own with out other feed. Nice bit of competition to SA.



My brother works in the mines in WA, says there's a big South African workforce there as well who fly in every 2 weeks from South Africa. Keeping in mind that's just who he knows in his division and at his location.

Surely a 3 to 4 weekly would work for Qantas.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2018

Mon Apr 09, 2018 6:02 am

qf789 wrote:
A service to CPT would be better serviced from SYD.

I'm not so sure - the 332 (which is more abundant, and less premium-heavy) could be used from PER, but not from SYD. For a SYD service, a 744 (too big) or 789 (far too premium-heavy) would be needed.

qf789 wrote:
JNB is also the best option as it offers better connections than what CPT would.

Are connections really needed, when CPT is a big tourism draw-card in and of itself? For example, CX has chosen to serve CPT directly, instead of directing more capacity through JNB, with transfers to CPT.

qf789 wrote:
I think a AKL-PER-JNB routing is quite plausible, I have long thought if QF were going to fly year round to AKL they could not rely on just PER-AKL traffic as it is quite seasonal. There probably is not enough traffic to justify the flight by just offering connections to LHR, add JNB probably helps that business case.

It'd be interesting if QF used a 332 on JNB - PER - AKL - LAX vv - that way, PER would get AKL traffic going to the UK and South Africa, while AKL would get PER traffic going to North America. Unlikely, though.

qf789 wrote:
... the comment that from the likes of BNE, MEL and AKL this new service adds nothing is frankly a load of crap.

I really don't buy into the whole same-terminal transfer being a significant draw-card - for example, NZ has this for North American traffic via AKL, but rarely markets it, and QF is still able to dominate North American traffic to secondary cities, like ADL and OOL. It's more of a significant draw-card in cases like DUB, where an add-on is had, like US pre-clearance. In the case of PER to JNB, you still have a domestic to international transfer, and the security hassles of that. In exchange for the same-terminal transit, you lose comfort (the 744's have more space, and more product offerings, like Y+, than the 332's), and potentially frequency (especially in the case of AKL, who, for most of the year, can't transit through PER in a one-stop scenario).

Cheers,

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2018

Mon Apr 09, 2018 6:15 am

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I hate to be a party pooper, but I honestly don’t see much business case for PER-AKL on QF if the local market isn’t large enough to support it outright.
...

With regards to JNB, Qantas already offers same-terminal connections from AKL, CHC and WLG via SYD, with decent connections in both directions to all three ports.


Not to mention PER adds about 1000 extra miles to an AKL-JNB (SYD adds about 550) which would add time.

Based on other comments, this flight is about AUS-SA traffic. MEL/ADL/HBA will all avoid a backtrack, and PER and intra WA will be well connected. Id agree with others, SA might just be pushed off this route if QF makes it work. Which would allow them to snowball to a more frequent, perhaps 7pw service.

And with A330s, not 789s too I might add...
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2018

Mon Apr 09, 2018 6:29 am

With NZ launching ORD, and now AS and QF doubling their code-sharing destinations, is it more likely that we'll see QF to SEA than ORD now?

See: https://www.airlineratings.com/news/ala ... tinations/.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2018

Mon Apr 09, 2018 6:29 am

qf2220 wrote:
RyanairGuru wrote:
I hate to be a party pooper, but I honestly don’t see much business case for PER-AKL on QF if the local market isn’t large enough to support it outright.
...

With regards to JNB, Qantas already offers same-terminal connections from AKL, CHC and WLG via SYD, with decent connections in both directions to all three ports.


Not to mention PER adds about 1000 extra miles to an AKL-JNB (SYD adds about 550) which would add time.

Based on other comments, this flight is about AUS-SA traffic. MEL/ADL/HBA will all avoid a backtrack, and PER and intra WA will be well connected. Id agree with others, SA might just be pushed off this route if QF makes it work. Which would allow them to snowball to a more frequent, perhaps 7pw service.

And with A330s, not 789s too I might add...



HBA needs a direct flight to Perth first if it wants to avoid a backtrack.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2018

Mon Apr 09, 2018 6:37 am

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I wonder what effect this will have on SAA

Perhaps SAA will take on QF in the challenge, and launch something like JNB - MEL or CPT - SYD? :lol:

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2018

Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:21 am

As much as I would love to see QF on PER-JNB, it would be sad to see SA exit the Australian market completely.

I do think there is room for 2, but probably only 10-11 x weekly. Whether QF goes daily and SA reduces, I guess we'll wait and see.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2018

Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:26 am

waoz1 wrote:
ben175 wrote:
As much as I would love to see QF on PER-JNB, it would be sad to see SA exit the Australian market completely.

I do think there is room for 2, but probably only 10-11 x weekly. Whether QF goes daily and SA reduces, I guess we'll wait and see.


SAA could get smart and if it does go down hill for them maybe they could do PER-CPT.
Tho I think there is room for two carriers on this route. Particularly with SAA having VA and NZ passengers connecting through from other ports.


SA don’t operate any long haul routes ex CPT, very difficult imo to see PER-CPT, CPT has come up in some QF slides in the past though, not saying they will announce it now though.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2018

Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:27 am

QF41 wrote:
qf2220 wrote:
RyanairGuru wrote:
I hate to be a party pooper, but I honestly don’t see much business case for PER-AKL on QF if the local market isn’t large enough to support it outright.
...

With regards to JNB, Qantas already offers same-terminal connections from AKL, CHC and WLG via SYD, with decent connections in both directions to all three ports.


Not to mention PER adds about 1000 extra miles to an AKL-JNB (SYD adds about 550) which would add time.

Based on other comments, this flight is about AUS-SA traffic. MEL/ADL/HBA will all avoid a backtrack, and PER and intra WA will be well connected. Id agree with others, SA might just be pushed off this route if QF makes it work. Which would allow them to snowball to a more frequent, perhaps 7pw service.

And with A330s, not 789s too I might add...


HBA needs a direct flight to Perth first if it wants to avoid a backtrack.


Sorry, yes, of course - my bad! Perhaps JNB and LHR connections might just be enough to make a case for HBA-PER flights?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2018

Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:29 am

ben175 wrote:
As much as I would love to see QF on PER-JNB, it would be sad to see SA exit the Australian market completely.

I do think there is room for 2, but probably only 10-11 x weekly. Whether QF goes daily and SA reduces, I guess we'll wait and see.


SAA could get smart and if it does go down hill for them maybe they could do PER-CPT.
Tho I think there is room for two carriers on this route. Particularly with SAA having VA and NZ passengers connecting through from other ports.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2018

Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:36 am

CPT-PER on SAA will never happen. They are a shadow of their former selves in Cape Town. CPT-JNB and CPT-WDH are the only two routes left operated by SA, plus a scattering of domestic routes (DUR, PLZ etc) operated by XZ and 4Z.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2018

Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:40 am

NZ service increases for NW18/19

AKL-BNE increase from 17 to 20 weekly eff 8 Dec 18
AKL-OOL expanded daily service 11 Dec 18 - 5 Feb 18, up to 5 weekly in off season
AKL-MEL eff 29 Oct 18 weekday services increase from 4 to 5 daily

NZ721 AKL0730 – 0935MEL 320 x67
NZ720 MEL1035 – 1610AKL 320 x6


AKL-SYD eff 28 Oct 18 increase from 5 to 6 daily

NZ109 AKL1300 – 1435SYD 772 D
NZ112 SYD1550 – 2055AKL 772 D


CHC-BNE Eff 30 Oct 18 7 weekly increased to 10-13 weekly
CHC-MEL Eff 28 Oct 18 7 weekly increased to 10-14 weekly
ZQN-BNE service resumption eff 18 Dec 18, 4 weekly

NZ861 ZQN1550 – 1635BNE 32- x146
NZ860 BNE0800 – 1430ZQN 320 x146


ZQN-SYD service increases on particular dates
WLG-BNE service resumption Eff 17 Dec 18 4-5 weekly

NZ827 WLG0610 – 0700BNE 320 x16
NZ828 BNE1735 – 0005+1WLG 320 x16


https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... s-in-nw18/
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2018

Mon Apr 09, 2018 8:14 am

planemanofnz wrote:
angusjt wrote:
I wonder what effect this will have on SAA

Perhaps SAA will take on QF in the challenge, and launch something like JNB - MEL or CPT - SYD? :lol:

Cheers,

C.

The writing is on the wall here. I think SA will drop frequency to PER. QF used to fly JNB-PER-SYD and a quite a number of years back used to do JNB-PER as a seasonal flight( this flight had pretty decent loads, at that time SA-QF were still in code share). If QF can time the flights better than NZ to connect with SA flight, then QF are onto a good thing....
Also rumour is that QF is looking at CPT from SYD when this happens not sure.
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