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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2018

Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:15 pm

There will be an announcement tomorrow (Thursday) with the PM pledging to build a rail link to MEL airport

https://twitter.com/Jamie_Freed/status/ ... 2350528512
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Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:38 pm

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There will be an announcement tomorrow (Thursday) with the PM pledging to build a rail link to MEL airport

https://twitter.com/Jamie_Freed/status/ ... 2350528512


Can smell the pork from that barrel all the way over in the west :)
 
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More than likely cashing in to pay for a Dream)liner firm order.


Or scraping together pennies to put down a deposit on 20x 777X

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First significant delay for QF10, departed LHR just over 2 hours late, due in PER now at 3pm instead of the usual 1pm, expected to depart PER at 415pm for MEL, which will roll onto QF95
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Thu Apr 12, 2018 4:27 am

Looks like QF have converted 9 more A320neo into A321neo for JQ

https://blueswandaily.com/capa-fleet-da ... r-jetstar/
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Lufthansa reports 40% of all booking of the recently reinstated SIN-MUC are from Australia.

Additionally LH has seen over 10% increase in sales from Australia since forming its JV with SQ

https://blueswandaily.com/australia-con ... e-service/


I wonder if this might help a FRA/BER service business case?
 
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qf2220 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Lufthansa reports 40% of all booking of the recently reinstated SIN-MUC are from Australia.

Additionally LH has seen over 10% increase in sales from Australia since forming its JV with SQ

https://blueswandaily.com/australia-con ... e-service/


I wonder if this might help a FRA/BER service business case?

On QF or LH? LH on a 359 to PER would be very interesting!

Cheers,

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Thu Apr 12, 2018 5:46 am

qf2220 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Lufthansa reports 40% of all booking of the recently reinstated SIN-MUC are from Australia.

Additionally LH has seen over 10% increase in sales from Australia since forming its JV with SQ

https://blueswandaily.com/australia-con ... e-service/


I wonder if this might help a FRA/BER service business case?


I reckon it would help strengthen the case for a QF PER-FRA 787 flight. A small boutique European network could be quite successful for QF, both yields and competition wise.
 
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Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:04 am

qf2220 wrote:
planemanofnz wrote:
qf2220 wrote:

I wonder if this might help a FRA/BER service business case?

On QF or LH? LH on a 359 to PER would be very interesting!

Cheers,

C.


Either or. Id doubt LH is looking at PER as much as QF is looking at Germany though.

Isn't CDG a bigger market than FRA for Australia, meaning QF would probably consider France before Germany ex-PER?

At the same time, LH has said last month that it's actively eyeing APAC opportunities (with PER of course, being in APAC).

See:
- https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... es-447192/.
- https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news ... -singapore.

Cheers,

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Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:04 am

planemanofnz wrote:
qf2220 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Lufthansa reports 40% of all booking of the recently reinstated SIN-MUC are from Australia.

Additionally LH has seen over 10% increase in sales from Australia since forming its JV with SQ

https://blueswandaily.com/australia-con ... e-service/


I wonder if this might help a FRA/BER service business case?

On QF or LH? LH on a 359 to PER would be very interesting!

Cheers,

C.


Either or. Id doubt LH is looking at PER as much as QF is looking at Germany though.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2018

Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:44 am

planemanofnz wrote:
qf2220 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Lufthansa reports 40% of all booking of the recently reinstated SIN-MUC are from Australia.

Additionally LH has seen over 10% increase in sales from Australia since forming its JV with SQ

https://blueswandaily.com/australia-con ... e-service/


I wonder if this might help a FRA/BER service business case?

On QF or LH? LH on a 359 to PER would be very interesting!

Cheers,

C.


I don't think that Lufthansa would enter that market. QF on the other hand I can definitely see happening. CDG would be first though IIRC.
 
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Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:51 am

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First significant delay for QF10, departed LHR just over 2 hours late, due in PER now at 3pm instead of the usual 1pm, expected to depart PER at 415pm for MEL, which will roll onto QF95


Could be just LHR
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Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:28 am

Crackshot wrote:
planemanofnz wrote:
qf2220 wrote:

I wonder if this might help a FRA/BER service business case?

On QF or LH? LH on a 359 to PER would be very interesting!

Cheers,

C.


I don't think that Lufthansa would enter that market. QF on the other hand I can definitely see happening. CDG would be first though IIRC.


Generally agree, CDG being a concentration of French traffic whereas German traffic is spread out over the country (FRA/MUC/BER etc) making it a bit more challenging. Kind of like India.
 
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Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:30 am

planemanofnz wrote:
qf2220 wrote:
planemanofnz wrote:
On QF or LH? LH on a 359 to PER would be very interesting!

Cheers,

C.


Either or. Id doubt LH is looking at PER as much as QF is looking at Germany though.

Isn't CDG a bigger market than FRA for Australia, meaning QF would probably consider France before Germany ex-PER?

At the same time, LH has said last month that it's actively eyeing APAC opportunities (with PER of course, being in APAC).
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I'm thinking an LH/NZ joint venture, could be the way to go? With an FRA-PER on LH connecting to PER-AKL on NZ? Then NZ could always run tag flights between PER-MEL or SYD to help feed it.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2018

Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:35 am

planemanofnz wrote:
qf2220 wrote:
planemanofnz wrote:
On QF or LH? LH on a 359 to PER would be very interesting!

Cheers,

C.


Either or. Id doubt LH is looking at PER as much as QF is looking at Germany though.

Isn't CDG a bigger market than FRA for Australia, meaning QF would probably consider France before Germany ex-PER?

At the same time, LH has said last month that it's actively eyeing APAC opportunities (with PER of course, being in APAC).

See:
- https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... es-447192/.
- https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news ... -singapore.

Cheers,

C.


The bulk of the high value traffic into and out of Australia is from the Australian end. There aren’t that many German business men that need to visit Sydney on a regular basis. However there are plenty of skippies that need to go to Europe for meetings.

As much as I’d like to see LH down under if they did enter the market they would be contending with $1000 round trip fares to Europe. Good luck making any money with that !!
 
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Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:35 am

waoz1 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
There will be an announcement tomorrow (Thursday) with the PM pledging to build a rail link to MEL airport

https://twitter.com/Jamie_Freed/status/ ... 2350528512


Can smell the pork from that barrel all the way over in the west :)


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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2018

Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:57 am

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Here's the recently painted OQF on arrival into SYD this morning

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https://twitter.com/flywunala/status/983812958533795841


I think the 380 looks good in new colors, Hope she is operating QF1 tomorrow I will get a pic of her if I can

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2018

Thu Apr 12, 2018 8:18 am

planemanofnz wrote:
qf2220 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Lufthansa reports 40% of all booking of the recently reinstated SIN-MUC are from Australia.

Additionally LH has seen over 10% increase in sales from Australia since forming its JV with SQ

https://blueswandaily.com/australia-con ... e-service/


I wonder if this might help a FRA/BER service business case?

On QF or LH? LH on a 359 to PER would be very interesting!

Cheers,

C.


I´d love to see this, but from an economical perspective, unfortunately it makes no sense for a EU Legacy carrier to return here! Sadly those are the basic facts, the equipment required can simply earn a bucket load more revenue on other, shorter sectors! Hence we are left with BA and even that is more & more marginal, I doubt they will be around in 2-3 years. As I have been told, with QF it is a different story, as they cater for an `ex AU´ market, and I would simply love a 789 on PER-FRA. As for BER, I simply don´t see it. People often think, because it is the capital, it ´must be good´. It is not, it is one heck of a hip sort of City, but there is no business spend (the pointy end) to justify it. Berlin is great, but at the end of the day, over half of it (and it´s market) is to this day the former east Germany. Has nobody wondered why Lufthansa, and even Eurowings are so hesitant about entering the BER market, especially since/because of the Air Berlin collapse? Yes, it´s the capital, an economic powerhouse it is not at all! And no, this has nothing to do with the screwed up mess that is Berlin Brandenburg International......... AB would not have survived if BER came online on time, only the money pit they had dug themselves into for over 15 years would have even been larger than what it was in the end!
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Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:25 am

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There will be an announcement tomorrow (Thursday) with the PM pledging to build a rail link to MEL airport

https://twitter.com/Jamie_Freed/status/ ... 2350528512


I have heard this for the last 30 years, tonight on the radio the Transport Minister Jacinta Allan said while they are happy with the money the right project has to be found for the rail link. I have a feeling that they will do what they did with the link from the Eastern to the Tullamarine Freeway take the money and not build it., and find some excuse not to build it, there will be green voters out that way that wont want it built for environmental reasons and good old Dan will pander to them to get their vote just like he did with not building the link between the Eastern and Tullamarine Freeways. Call me a cynic, but we know how this Government works.
 
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Thu Apr 12, 2018 10:36 am

QF80 NRT-MEL diverted to SYD this morning

http://theqantassource.com/qantas-a330- ... diversion/
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Thu Apr 12, 2018 10:42 am

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More than likely cashing in to pay for a Dream)liner firm order.


Or scraping together pennies to put down a deposit on 20x 777X

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Just like BA, QF will regret offloading it’s catering division. Selling off profitable assets for a short term gain?!? On the other hand Dnata are very well established not only (now) taking over every major port also taking over ground handling.

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QF80 NRT-MEL diverted to SYD this morning

http://theqantassource.com/qantas-a330- ... diversion/


MEL flow rates terrible today. They need to get a wiggle on with their 3rd runway.

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Thu Apr 12, 2018 10:58 am

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QF80 NRT-MEL diverted to SYD this morning

http://theqantassource.com/qantas-a330- ... diversion/


There were issues today due to a dust storm in the morning, which lead to delays during the day.
 
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Thu Apr 12, 2018 2:19 pm

Sydney Airport's new CEO plans to push politicians on the need to relax the 80 flight per hour cap

New Sydney Airport chief executive Geoff Culbert will stress the economic cost of delayed flights as he prepares a "constructive and collaborative" new push on policymakers to ease the airport's stringent operating rules, which limit flights to 80 per hour.
"We don't know of any other airport in the world that has those kind of restrictions," Mr Culbert told The Australian Financial Review. "If you have a weather event and you can't land planes for 15 minutes, there's no way you can catch up.
"People miss their meetings, people get pushed into overnight stays and there are planes circling in the air, which means more fuel burn and more carbon emissions."


No plans to challenge existing curfew

The new CEO, who took over from Kerrie Mather at the end of January, does not plan to challenge the existing curfew.
But he said Sydney was competing with other domestic airports as well as international airports for flights and could not afford to become complacent.
"New York's a wonderful destination, London's fabulous, Rome's great, everyone loves going to Paris – so we can't take for granted that people are naturally going to fly to Sydney, the competition out there is really tough."
Mr Culbert wants tourism authorities and governments to "get more coordinated" on marketing NSW and Australia, arguing that more direct international flights were a "massive opportunity" for the national economy.


Sees more non stop flights from India

there was no reason why India, which has only one direct flight to Sydney from New Delhi on Air India, cannot be as big a source of visitors as China, and that there should be direct flights to Mumbai, Hyderabad and Chennai.


http://www.afr.com/business/sydney-airp ... 412-h0yo9j
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Thu Apr 12, 2018 2:28 pm

Qantas appoints Belinda Hutchison as a board member

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Thu Apr 12, 2018 5:06 pm

Flyingsottsman wrote:
qf789 wrote:
There will be an announcement tomorrow (Thursday) with the PM pledging to build a rail link to MEL airport

https://twitter.com/Jamie_Freed/status/ ... 2350528512


I have heard this for the last 30 years, tonight on the radio the Transport Minister Jacinta Allan said while they are happy with the money the right project has to be found for the rail link. I have a feeling that they will do what they did with the link from the Eastern to the Tullamarine Freeway take the money and not build it., and find some excuse not to build it, there will be green voters out that way that wont want it built for environmental reasons and good old Dan will pander to them to get their vote just like he did with not building the link between the Eastern and Tullamarine Freeways. Call me a cynic, but we know how this Government works.


Can we leave the bias out of this. Both sides have been in power over the last 30 years therefore both are to blame for why most Victorians are cynical about this.
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Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:03 pm

cougar15 wrote:
planemanofnz wrote:
qf2220 wrote:

I wonder if this might help a FRA/BER service business case?

On QF or LH? LH on a 359 to PER would be very interesting!

Cheers,

C.


I´d love to see this, but from an economical perspective, unfortunately it makes no sense for a EU Legacy carrier to return here! Sadly those are the basic facts, the equipment required can simply earn a bucket load more revenue on other, shorter sectors! Hence we are left with BA and even that is more & more marginal, I doubt they will be around in 2-3 years. As I have been told, with QF it is a different story, as they cater for an `ex AU´ market, and I would simply love a 789 on PER-FRA. As for BER, I simply don´t see it. People often think, because it is the capital, it ´must be good´. It is not, it is one heck of a hip sort of City, but there is no business spend (the pointy end) to justify it. Berlin is great, but at the end of the day, over half of it (and it´s market) is to this day the former east Germany. Has nobody wondered why Lufthansa, and even Eurowings are so hesitant about entering the BER market, especially since/because of the Air Berlin collapse? Yes, it´s the capital, an economic powerhouse it is not at all! And no, this has nothing to do with the screwed up mess that is Berlin Brandenburg International......... AB would not have survived if BER came online on time, only the money pit they had dug themselves into for over 15 years would have even been larger than what it was in the end!


Pretty much this. I’d also add that while I believe we’ll see CDG and FRA down the line, if QF does expand beyond that, which I doubt, it would be to more mainline destinations such as FCO - I don’t see them serving more then one city per country, and in Germany FRA makes the most sense.
 
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Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:05 pm

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Crackshot wrote:
planemanofnz wrote:
On QF or LH? LH on a 359 to PER would be very interesting!

Cheers,

C.


I don't think that Lufthansa would enter that market. QF on the other hand I can definitely see happening. CDG would be first though IIRC.


Generally agree, CDG being a concentration of French traffic whereas German traffic is spread out over the country (FRA/MUC/BER etc) making it a bit more challenging. Kind of like India.


Yep. I believe it will happen - just not before CDG.
 
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Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:08 pm

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qf2220 wrote:

Either or. Id doubt LH is looking at PER as much as QF is looking at Germany though.

Isn't CDG a bigger market than FRA for Australia, meaning QF would probably consider France before Germany ex-PER?

At the same time, LH has said last month that it's actively eyeing APAC opportunities (with PER of course, being in APAC).

See:
- https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... es-447192/.
- https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news ... -singapore.

Cheers,

C.


As much as I’d like to see LH down under if they did enter the market they would be contending with $1000 round trip fares to Europe. Good luck making any money with that !!


Yup. Between the ME3, China and Singapore/Cathay it would be insane, especially given that the legacy EU carriers (not just LH) are fairly conservative. Easier to just use alliances and codeshares.
 
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Fri Apr 13, 2018 12:32 am

Darwin Airport has tweeted that Donghai will commence DRW-SZX services on May 30

Source: https://twitter.com/Darwinairport/statu ... 1174793216

Great news for DRW though interested to see how successful this is....
 
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Fri Apr 13, 2018 3:13 am

I know that QF have applied to code share with CI on QF's NZ routes. Is someone able to clarify for me is this CI putting their code on QF routes or will it also mean QF putting their code on CI's trans-tasman routes?

Thanks.
 
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Fri Apr 13, 2018 3:40 am

I'm thinking an LH/NZ joint venture, could be the way to go? With an FRA-PER on LH connecting to PER-AKL on NZ? Then NZ could always run tag flights between PER-MEL or SYD to help feed it.


Tag flights are notoriously low yielding. I can't imagine NZ would want to enter domestic flying in AU on such as basis. The low-yielding tag would, at best, only fill about 1/3 of a 787. Even the QF10 PER-MEL is relying heavily on domestic pax with lots of MEL pax appearing to be using other routes to Europe. How do NZ fill the rest? QF and VA would act to ensure NZ could not make money on such a route.

qf2220 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Lufthansa reports 40% of all booking of the recently reinstated SIN-MUC are from Australia.

Additionally LH has seen over 10% increase in sales from Australia since forming its JV with SQ

https://blueswandaily.com/australia-con ... e-service/


I wonder if this might help a FRA/BER service business case?


I reckon it would help strengthen the case for a QF PER-FRA 787 flight. A small boutique European network could be quite successful for QF, both yields and competition wise.

Establishing a European network is expensive and will always be measured against the EK JV which offers great connectivity from all AU ports. Even the LHR direct route has cost controls such as only using London cabin crew between PER and LHR to avoid expensive European overnights etc. It is unlikely QF would establish a FRA base so would be stuck with expensive AU based crews or flying LHR crews between LHR and FRA.
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Fri Apr 13, 2018 4:01 am

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Darwin Airport has tweeted that Donghai will commence DRW-SZX services on May 30

Source: https://twitter.com/Darwinairport/statu ... 1174793216

Great news for DRW though interested to see how successful this is....


The flight will be operated 2 times a week

https://blueswandaily.com/donghai-airli ... -may-2018/
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Fri Apr 13, 2018 4:02 am

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I know that QF have applied to code share with CI on QF's NZ routes. Is someone able to clarify for me is this CI putting their code on QF routes or will it also mean QF putting their code on CI's trans-tasman routes?

Thanks.


As I understand it the article I read at the time stated that QF already codeshares on the TPE bound routes so they plan on CI's trans Tasman routes
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Fri Apr 13, 2018 5:26 am

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qf2220 wrote:

Either or. Id doubt LH is looking at PER as much as QF is looking at Germany though.

Isn't CDG a bigger market than FRA for Australia, meaning QF would probably consider France before Germany ex-PER?

At the same time, LH has said last month that it's actively eyeing APAC opportunities (with PER of course, being in APAC).
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I'm thinking an LH/NZ joint venture, could be the way to go? With an FRA-PER on LH connecting to PER-AKL on NZ? Then NZ could always run tag flights between PER-MEL or SYD to help feed it.


It'll be low yielding in NZ's case (starting with low premium traffic demand in NZ's case) if they decide jump in on the the TransContinental AU routes, despite having full pick-up rights.

Also QF and VA (along with their LCC siblings) would ensure NZ either doesn't get SYD slots, or get the less ideal SYD slots (e.g late evening before curfew), also complicating any slot applications on the FRA end.
 
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Fri Apr 13, 2018 5:53 am

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Darwin Airport has tweeted that Donghai will commence DRW-SZX services on May 30

Source: https://twitter.com/Darwinairport/statu ... 1174793216

Great news for DRW though interested to see how successful this is....


The flight will be operated 2 times a week

https://blueswandaily.com/donghai-airli ... -may-2018/


Here’s the schedule, aircraft will be on the ground at DRW for just under 9 hours

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... -may-2018/
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Fri Apr 13, 2018 5:56 am

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Also QF and VA (along with their LCC siblings) would ensure NZ either doesn't get SYD slots, or get the less ideal SYD slots (e.g late evening before curfew), also complicating any slot applications on the FRA end.


Yet how was NZ able to get additional peak hour slots for there additional services from AKL,WLG,CHC that we're launched this week? They must have some pull in getting slots, to be able to pick up these additional SYD slots at very short notice.
 
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Fri Apr 13, 2018 6:33 am

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Also QF and VA (along with their LCC siblings) would ensure NZ either doesn't get SYD slots, or get the less ideal SYD slots (e.g late evening before curfew), also complicating any slot applications on the FRA end.


Yet how was NZ able to get additional peak hour slots for there additional services from AKL,WLG,CHC that we're launched this week? They must have some pull in getting slots, to be able to pick up these additional SYD slots at very short notice.


Those slots I assume are used for international arrivals/departures.

Domestic slots are a different story entirely if NZ decide to enter the Australian domestic market with the QF and VA having huge pull on the domestic slots. QF (TN) and AN back in the 90s had a huge influence on giving Compass the less ideal gates and slots in SYD/MEL back in the day. DJ and Impulse (bought out by QF) were lucky to arrive around the final moments of AN prior to their collapse.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2018

Fri Apr 13, 2018 7:00 am

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Also QF and VA (along with their LCC siblings) would ensure NZ either doesn't get SYD slots, or get the less ideal SYD slots (e.g late evening before curfew), also complicating any slot applications on the FRA end.


Yet how was NZ able to get additional peak hour slots for there additional services from AKL,WLG,CHC that we're launched this week? They must have some pull in getting slots, to be able to pick up these additional SYD slots at very short notice.


Those slots I assume are used for international arrivals/departures.

Domestic slots are a different story entirely if NZ decide to enter the Australian domestic market with the QF and VA having huge pull on the domestic slots. QF (TN) and AN back in the 90s had a huge influence on giving Compass the less ideal gates and slots in SYD/MEL back in the day. DJ and Impulse (bought out by QF) were lucky to arrive around the final moments of AN prior to their collapse.

Correct. NZ would be financially savaged if they attempted to enter the AU domestic market. Apart from an inability to get decent landing slots in SYD, they would also struggle getting gate slots in MEL.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2018

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Domestic slots are a different story entirely if NZ decide to enter the Australian domestic market with the QF and VA having huge pull on the domestic slots. QF (TN) and AN back in the 90s had a huge influence on giving Compass the less ideal gates and slots in SYD/MEL back in the day. DJ and Impulse (bought out by QF) were lucky to arrive around the final moments of AN prior to their collapse.


What if say it was an A321NEO service from AKL-MEL-PER or AKL-SYD-PER would it count the same? or would it full under International slots?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2018

Fri Apr 13, 2018 8:33 am

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Domestic slots are a different story entirely if NZ decide to enter the Australian domestic market with the QF and VA having huge pull on the domestic slots. QF (TN) and AN back in the 90s had a huge influence on giving Compass the less ideal gates and slots in SYD/MEL back in the day. DJ and Impulse (bought out by QF) were lucky to arrive around the final moments of AN prior to their collapse.


What if say it was an A321NEO service from AKL-MEL-PER or AKL-SYD-PER would it count the same? or would it full under International slots?


I understand that NZ is the bestest of the best airlines but to think they can somehow take on QF and VA domestically is ludicrous. Unless you want another Ansett debacle.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2018

Fri Apr 13, 2018 8:35 am

An update on the QF 717 situation:

For the NW18-19 period (28 Oct to 30 March), QF will continue using 737s on HBA-MEL [previously the 737 schedules had only been loaded up to 27 Oct with the old 717 schedule resuming on the 28th]; CBR-MEL is still showing some 717s for NW18-19 but this may of course change as the schedules are updated.

Either there is still a problem with the 717 operation or they are being redeployed elsewhere?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2018

Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:16 am

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An update on the QF 717 situation:

For the NW18-19 period (28 Oct to 30 March), QF will continue using 737s on HBA-MEL [previously the 737 schedules had only been loaded up to 27 Oct with the old 717 schedule resuming on the 28th]; CBR-MEL is still showing some 717s for NW18-19 but this may of course change as the schedules are updated.

Either there is still a problem with the 717 operation or they are being redeployed elsewhere?


What is the issue with the 717's?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2018

Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:21 am

SQ to extend hours of lounge at SYD from 1 May

https://www.ausbt.com.au/singapore-airl ... ource=grid
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2018

Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:35 am

Scoot will increase capacity on Australian routes by over 10% this year

Gold Coast will go from 4 to 5 weekly
Sydney will go from 7 weekly to 8 weekly
Melbourne will go from 5 weekly to 7 weekly

https://www.airlineratings.com/news/sco ... ds-berlin/
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2018

Fri Apr 13, 2018 7:22 pm

QF568 PER-SYD operated by A333 VH-QPF currently squawking 7700 and diverting to MEL

looking at FR24 looks like aircraft has been at 17000 feet for quite a while

https://www.flightradar24.com/QFA568/110775fa

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QF568 PER-SYD has landed in MEL
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2018

Fri Apr 13, 2018 8:50 pm

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SQ to extend hours of lounge at SYD from 1 May

https://www.ausbt.com.au/singapore-airl ... ource=grid


That might help VA out with most likely the loss of access to the NZ lounge for Tasman services later this year.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2018

Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:37 pm

Velocity members can only use the Kris Flyer lounge if they are flying on SQ operated flights.
You meant lose, not loose.
 
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Fri Apr 13, 2018 11:33 pm

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Velocity members can only use the Kris Flyer lounge if they are flying on SQ operated flights.


Yes - but VA will need to find an new option for them self to pay for there own passengers flying on the Tasman post October.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2018

Sat Apr 14, 2018 12:21 am

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VA introduce updated iphone app and new android app.

https://www.ausbt.com.au/virgin-austral ... ource=hero


Thank god! Current one was atrocious to use!!


Agreed. The number of times I'd just about thrown my phone out the taxi en route to the airport while using - or trying to use - it, anything's an improvement. It was my number 1 criticism in customer feedback surveys.

But this new app is actually quite excellent. Shouldn't have taken this long but glad it's here.

On the VA/NZ divorce, it's hard to see how this benefits either carrier. Luxon's dummy spit at board level was over the top in my opinion but from what I've heard, VA didn't do themselves any favours with NZ at an operational level. Still the tit for tat between the two (mostly NZ's tit, publicly at least) was a little pathetic.

VA just needs to treat Tasman flights as domestic in terms of inflight service. Free streaming IFE and a small comp snack and drinks with BOB and their offering is about the same as a standard NZ seat only service. I don't really understand why this hasn't happened already. Perhaps ancillary revenues justified it but understandably peeves codeshare pax.

Can they survive as the much smaller third operator? Perhaps. Depends on objectives - standalone route profit or feed the Australian network/maintain Pacific Island ops? Twice daily SYD/MEL/BNE/OOL-AKL, dailies into CHC and WLG with leisure frequencies to ZQN and secondary cities like DUD and HLZ (using Tiger) might just work. Maybe Tiger would take over Pacific Island flights and finally generate competition there.

Interesting times! Strike 2 for NZ on tapping the Australian market. Perhaps there's something in that?
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