Australian Aviation Thread - April 2018

RyanairGuru · Wed Apr 18, 2018 8:07 pm

Deepinsider wrote:
787 RR Troubles. Perth and some East Coast ports affected.
Take a look at this reschedule by NZ for just one week!
Incredible that they've set up all the logistics involved;
Catering, Crewing, Cargo, pax reservations.....etc
What a fantastic effort.
https://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/travel- ... 3MGlii7RwS

I concur with qf789, what precisely are we supposed to be celebrating? This is an almighty cockup of epic preportions, and while the engine issues are not Air New Zealand’s fault the operational impact is as much on them as RR. Flights delayed over night and running at times not even remotely close to their originial schedules, not on the day of departure due to unforeseen circumstances but planned in advance, is not something to admire, it shows an appalling disregard for paying customers.

smi0006 · Wed Apr 18, 2018 8:27 pm

qf789 wrote:
Deepinsider wrote:
787 RR Troubles. Perth and some East Coast ports affected.
Take a look at this reschedule by NZ for just one week!
Incredible that they've set up all the logistics involved;
Catering, Crewing, Cargo, pax reservations.....etc
What a fantastic effort.
https://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/travel- ... 3MGlii7RwS

What fantastic effort might that be?

Lets reframe that to the 7 cancelled flights for the next week are all to PER. This is the same airline who said when they started the NZ177/178 rotation that it would be aimed at US connections however during December and January could only offer passengers the US connections transfer with minimum transfer time once a week instead of the supposedly 3 times a week. In other words NZ has been unreliable and have given their PER customers the middle finger. Well at least they are being consistent. Hence why its time for a real airline that doesn't treat their customer base as mugs to start PER-AKL.

I also wonder how many passengers VA will be flying to PER over the next week for NZ via the east coast.

I think that maybe a bit harsh, not saying Perth hasn’t coped the brunt of disruptions- but its an RR caused issue and clearly to maintain the entire network the Perth rotations are impact most from a tactical perspective- not simply poor OTP where perth gets continually sacrificed. Airlines are business their is no emotional giving the finger to any market, they don’t want to loose any customer base but the Perth rotation by their analysis would have shown to
Minimise the broader impact network wide. Don’t forget Sydney has had twice daily HiFly for the same period.

With a brand new lounge in Perth, and how many years of operating into PER? I think there are committed to the WA market. This just highlights what a disaster ordering RR engines has been, and RRs pathetic follow up.

DavidByrne · Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:34 pm

qf789 wrote:
Deepinsider wrote:
787 RR Troubles. Perth and some East Coast ports affected.
Take a look at this reschedule by NZ for just one week!
Incredible that they've set up all the logistics involved;
Catering, Crewing, Cargo, pax reservations.....etc
What a fantastic effort.
https://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/travel- ... 3MGlii7RwS

What fantastic effort might that be?

Lets reframe that to the 7 cancelled flights for the next week are all to PER. This is the same airline who said when they started the NZ177/178 rotation that it would be aimed at US connections however during December and January could only offer passengers the US connections transfer with minimum transfer time once a week instead of the supposedly 3 times a week. In other words NZ has been unreliable and have given their PER customers the middle finger. Well at least they are being consistent. Hence why its time for a real airline that doesn't treat their customer base as mugs to start PER-AKL.

I also wonder how many passengers VA will be flying to PER over the next week for NZ via the east coast.

OK, so which destination would you have cancelled to deal with the situation? Would that have then been giving the middle finger to those pax?

PA515 · Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:46 pm

qf789 wrote:
Hence why its time for a real airline that doesn't treat their customer base as mugs to start PER-AKL.

Well that won't be QF who not so long ago deliberately cancelled all their flights and inconvenienced all their pax.

PA515

DavidByrne · Wed Apr 18, 2018 10:56 pm

RyanairGuru wrote:
Flights delayed over night and running at times not even remotely close to their originial schedules, not on the day of departure due to unforeseen circumstances but planned in advance, is not something to admire, it shows an appalling disregard for paying customers.

I don't get it: what should NZ have done, given the short notice that they had available?

getluv · Wed Apr 18, 2018 10:58 pm

PA515 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Hence why its time for a real airline that doesn't treat their customer base as mugs to start PER-AKL.

Well that won't be QF who not so long ago deliberately cancelled all their flights and inconvenienced all their pax.

PA515

7 years ago is not "not so long ago".

Seriously, move on.

CB80Scania · Wed Apr 18, 2018 11:27 pm

I recently noticed that QF483 is no longer a Canberra to Melbourne flight, but now a Sydney to Melbourne one. Not sure when this change was completed but I was wondering why Qantas originally picked QF483 as a Canberra flight, when most other QF400–500 were Sydney/Melbourne flights?

Zkpilot · Wed Apr 18, 2018 11:27 pm

getluv wrote:
PA515 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Hence why its time for a real airline that doesn't treat their customer base as mugs to start PER-AKL.

Well that won't be QF who not so long ago deliberately cancelled all their flights and inconvenienced all their pax.

PA515

7 years ago is not "not so long ago".

Seriously, move on.

or the same QF that dropped all international flying out of PER except SIN with shorthaul aircraft?

PA515 · Wed Apr 18, 2018 11:28 pm

getluv wrote:
7 years ago is not "not so long ago".

Seriously, move on.

Six and a half years, but the same CEO with the same mentality.

PA515

EK413 · Thu Apr 19, 2018 1:15 am

PA515 wrote:
getluv wrote:
7 years ago is not "not so long ago".

Seriously, move on.

Six and a half years, but the same CEO with the same mentality.

PA515

& same CEO who just sold off 1,200 staff.

EK413

getluv · Thu Apr 19, 2018 1:21 am

PA515 wrote:
getluv wrote:
7 years ago is not "not so long ago".

Seriously, move on.

Six and a half years, but the same CEO with the same mentality.

PA515

...making more money while you sit on your chair and have a cry about what happened 7, sorry 6 and a half, years ago..

qf2220 · Thu Apr 19, 2018 2:08 am

EK413 wrote:
PA515 wrote:
getluv wrote:
7 years ago is not "not so long ago".

Seriously, move on.

Six and a half years, but the same CEO with the same mentality.

PA515

& same CEO who just sold off 1,200 staff.

EK413

And the one that did a lot to build Jetstar..

Asset sales are normal business decisions. Please accept that...

RyanairGuru · Thu Apr 19, 2018 4:22 am

CB80Scania wrote:
I recently noticed that QF483 is no longer a Canberra to Melbourne flight, but now a Sydney to Melbourne one. Not sure when this change was completed but I was wondering why Qantas originally picked QF483 as a Canberra flight, when most other QF400–500 were Sydney/Melbourne flights?

CBR-MEL flight numbers generally were all over the shop (4xx, 6xx, 8xx, 9xx) but all the mainline flights now appear to be in the QF8xx range. I could never figure out why as it is the only domestic route I can think of where they are not vaguely sequential (notwithstanding mainline vs QantasLink)

zkncj · Thu Apr 19, 2018 4:49 am

RyanairGuru wrote:
I concur with qf789, what precisely are we supposed to be celebrating? This is an almighty cockup of epic preportions, and while the engine issues are not Air New Zealand’s fault the operational impact is as much on them as RR. Flights delayed over night and running at times not even remotely close to their originial schedules, not on the day of departure due to unforeseen circumstances but planned in advance, is not something to admire, it shows an appalling disregard for paying customers.

What do you expect them todo? fly unsafe aircraft that could lead to massive loss of life or follow the directive issued by the FAA/CAANZ, to provide passenger safety. They have done the best that could do with the very little notice they have been given, they could have just cancelled the flights and give passengers an refund and said find your own way home - which would have lead to an PR nightmare.

Its not NZ's fault - they are simply following what they have been told. The fact that ZK-NZE hasn't flown since its engine failure in November, show how serious the failure could of been.

Apparently they are getting HiFly to come back for the next month to help with the load.

tullamarine · Thu Apr 19, 2018 6:13 am

Is this still the Australian Aviation thread? Most of the last 30 posts seem to be about NZ!!!

zkncj · Thu Apr 19, 2018 6:19 am

tullamarine wrote:
Is this still the Australian Aviation thread? Most of the last 30 posts seem to be about NZ!!!

"And Australia's most loved brand is... Air New Zealand" quoted from http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12035690

NTLDaz · Thu Apr 19, 2018 7:25 am

zkncj wrote:
tullamarine wrote:
Is this still the Australian Aviation thread? Most of the last 30 posts seem to be about NZ!!!

"And Australia's most loved brand is... Air New Zealand" quoted from http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12035690

Given about 15% of all NZ'ers live in Australia they must have been the most surveyed.

A seriously flawed and non scientific survey if ever I've seen one.

ZK-NBT · Thu Apr 19, 2018 7:28 am

RyanairGuru wrote:
Deepinsider wrote:
787 RR Troubles. Perth and some East Coast ports affected.
Take a look at this reschedule by NZ for just one week!
Incredible that they've set up all the logistics involved;
Catering, Crewing, Cargo, pax reservations.....etc
What a fantastic effort.
https://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/travel- ... 3MGlii7RwS

I concur with qf789, what precisely are we supposed to be celebrating? This is an almighty cockup of epic preportions, and while the engine issues are not Air New Zealand’s fault the operational impact is as much on them as RR. Flights delayed over night and running at times not even remotely close to their originial schedules, not on the day of departure due to unforeseen circumstances but planned in advance, is not something to admire, it shows an appalling disregard for paying customers.

When you have 2-3 or more aircraft out of service at little notice what would you do?

Good morning ladies and gentlemen today’s flight will be using 1 engine and we have removed the second one for repair but don’t worry if you all sit on the left side we will get underway.

Seriously.

SYDSpotter · Thu Apr 19, 2018 8:36 am

zkncj wrote:
tullamarine wrote:
Is this still the Australian Aviation thread? Most of the last 30 posts seem to be about NZ!!!

"And Australia's most loved brand is... Air New Zealand" quoted from http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12035690

Lol, there are about a million different survey's/rankings out there, this is just one of them. But we know you are Air NZ's biggest fan, you can't seem to ever stop talking about them in this thread.

Gasman · Thu Apr 19, 2018 8:40 am

NTLDaz wrote:
zkncj wrote:
tullamarine wrote:
Is this still the Australian Aviation thread? Most of the last 30 posts seem to be about NZ!!!

"And Australia's most loved brand is... Air New Zealand" quoted from http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12035690

Given about 15% of all NZ'ers live in Australia they must have been the most surveyed.

A seriously flawed and non scientific survey if ever I've seen one.

I seriously wonder if NZ actually funds these bogus surveys. They are so far removed from scientific validity that the information they produce is worthy of water cooler chit chat and nothing else. But to most of the public, anything that says "survey" must be true; and so the results are announced as part of the pre take off preamble right before the jokesy safety video...

tullamarine · Thu Apr 19, 2018 10:59 am

Gasman wrote:
NTLDaz wrote:
zkncj wrote:

"And Australia's most loved brand is... Air New Zealand" quoted from http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12035690

Given about 15% of all NZ'ers live in Australia they must have been the most surveyed.

A seriously flawed and non scientific survey if ever I've seen one.

I seriously wonder if NZ actually funds these bogus surveys. They are so far removed from scientific validity that the information they produce is worthy of water cooler chit chat and nothing else. But to most of the public, anything that says "survey" must be true; and so the results are announced as part of the pre take off preamble right before the jokesy safety video...

NZ doesn't get a mention in this one http://www.homeoftrustedbrands.com.au/results.asp.....pity the same can't be said of this thread.

IndianicWorld · Thu Apr 19, 2018 11:18 am

I was just reading a few articles about Avalon Airport and was wondering how much freight potential Air Asia has from that airport.

In one example of potential demand, Cotton On are building a very large distribution centre on the airport site, it certainly provides scope to be quite efficient for their needs if they require it.

http://cottonongroup.com.au/new-cotton-group-dc-avalon/

In terms of other infrastructure, I do like the new idea to connect the airport to the Geelong-Melbourne train line via a monorail or autonomous vehicle system, which would go into a new station.

https://freelocalnews.com.au/surfcoastt ... takes-off/

It will be interesting though to see how much outlay they will do until they know the results of the Air Asia move to the airport, as they appear to be relying heavily on that to gain new service.

zeke · Thu Apr 19, 2018 11:41 am

RyanairGuru wrote:
Flights delayed over night and running at times not even remotely close to their originial schedules, not on the day of departure due to unforeseen circumstances but planned in advance, is not something to admire, it shows an appalling disregard for paying customers.

That’s what happens when there is no competition, they can rip passengers off with high fares and poor service.

Hope the ACCC gives it to them, it that really the product the airline sold them ?

qf789 · Thu Apr 19, 2018 11:59 am

DavidByrne wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Deepinsider wrote:
787 RR Troubles. Perth and some East Coast ports affected.
Take a look at this reschedule by NZ for just one week!
Incredible that they've set up all the logistics involved;
Catering, Crewing, Cargo, pax reservations.....etc
What a fantastic effort.
https://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/travel- ... 3MGlii7RwS

What fantastic effort might that be?

Lets reframe that to the 7 cancelled flights for the next week are all to PER. This is the same airline who said when they started the NZ177/178 rotation that it would be aimed at US connections however during December and January could only offer passengers the US connections transfer with minimum transfer time once a week instead of the supposedly 3 times a week. In other words NZ has been unreliable and have given their PER customers the middle finger. Well at least they are being consistent. Hence why its time for a real airline that doesn't treat their customer base as mugs to start PER-AKL.

I also wonder how many passengers VA will be flying to PER over the next week for NZ via the east coast.

OK, so which destination would you have cancelled to deal with the situation? Would that have then been giving the middle finger to those pax?

My point is that of the 24 sectors over the next 8 days whether it be PER-AKL, AKL-PER, PER-CHC or CHC-PER, 12 of those sectors have been cancelled (50% of all flights) and another 3 services are delayed by 10-12 hours each. The only other cancellation is one return AKL-SYD flight. The other flight affected by significant delays is AKL-HND with around a 12 hour delay. All the other delays are abound 3-4 hours. Both the PER routes and the HND routes just happen to be monopoly routes served by NZ (QF ended PER-AKL weeks ago hence NZ is sole operator on the route) while there are no delays on other 789 routes such as PVG, SIN, NRT. Its quite obvious that NZ is cherrypicking which routes should run as scheduled, the ones that have competition on and which routes should have significant delays/cancellations because there is no competition on them. One would think as this is to do with the whole 787 fleet that it would affect schedules on all 787 routes not just one or two. NZ seems more intent on protecting their bottom line than getting displaced passengers in an acceptable amount of time.

qf789 · Thu Apr 19, 2018 12:09 pm

QantasLink A320 routes

6 Weekly KTA
2 Daily ZNE

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... pril-2018/

log0008 · Thu Apr 19, 2018 12:11 pm

Another really strong set of Domestic Data for February:

https://bitre.gov.au/publications/ongoi ... y_2018.pdf

Total Market ( FEB 18 vs FEB 17)
Passanger Numbers: +4.1%
Seats: +1.1%
Load Factor: +2.7%

This is the best single month performance in a number of years, and comes on the back of a very strong previous 6 months with the 12 months rolling total now up 2.1%

All Major Airports saw growth in February
SYD: +4.0%
MEL: +3.7%
BNE: +3.7%
PER:+3.4%

Great to see Perth is finally starting to return to domestic growth in the last few months after years of falls, number of mining routes, such as Perth-Broome (+39%) show recover as the mining downturn ends. Great news for Qantas and hopefully more so for VA.

qf789 · Thu Apr 19, 2018 12:16 pm

Perth passenger numbers up nearly 4% in March

Domestic up 3.7%
International up 4.1%

https://blueswandaily.com/perth-airport ... -mar-2018/

qf789 · Thu Apr 19, 2018 12:34 pm

Qantas comes out on top of Roy Morgan's consumer and business satisfaction for the start of 2018

https://blueswandaily.com/qantas-tops-c ... n-in-2018/

zkncj · Fri Apr 20, 2018 12:18 am

qf789 wrote:
My point is that of the 24 sectors over the next 8 days whether it be PER-AKL, AKL-PER, PER-CHC or CHC-PER, 12 of those sectors have been cancelled (50% of all flights) and another 3 services are delayed by 10-12 hours each. The only other cancellation is one return AKL-SYD flight. The other flight affected by significant delays is AKL-HND with around a 12 hour delay. All the other delays are abound 3-4 hours. Both the PER routes and the HND routes just happen to be monopoly routes served by NZ (QF ended PER-AKL weeks ago hence NZ is sole operator on the route) while there are no delays on other 789 routes such as PVG, SIN, NRT. Its quite obvious that NZ is cherrypicking which routes should run as scheduled, the ones that have competition on and which routes should have significant delays/cancellations because there is no competition on them. One would think as this is to do with the whole 787 fleet that it would affect schedules on all 787 routes not just one or two. NZ seems more intent on protecting their bottom line than getting displaced passengers in an acceptable amount of time.

PER is likely to be allot easier than PVG,SIN,NRT to get new slots at short-notice, HND is an new non-daily route in addition to to NRT (some passengers could be moved onto the NRT flights.

NZ doesn't compete on AKL-NRT/SIN (They have an Joint Venture with Sq)

planemanofnz · Fri Apr 20, 2018 2:26 am

It's great to see that BNE will get a new flight to MUA from June - this will be the first international flight to that airport.

See: https://www.radionz.co.nz/international ... -from-june.

BNE has a neat little Pacific network developing, including to some quirky and unusual destinations, such as SON:

Cheers,

C.

tullamarine · Fri Apr 20, 2018 2:31 am

log0008 wrote:
Another really strong set of Domestic Data for February:

https://bitre.gov.au/publications/ongoi ... y_2018.pdf

Total Market ( FEB 18 vs FEB 17)
Passanger Numbers: +4.1%
Seats: +1.1%
Load Factor: +2.7%

This is the best single month performance in a number of years, and comes on the back of a very strong previous 6 months with the 12 months rolling total now up 2.1%

All Major Airports saw growth in February
SYD: +4.0%
MEL: +3.7%
BNE: +3.7%
PER:+3.4%

Great to see Perth is finally starting to return to domestic growth in the last few months after years of falls, number of mining routes, such as Perth-Broome (+39%) show recover as the mining downturn ends. Great news for Qantas and hopefully more so for VA.

Unless they have botched their fuel hedging, you would have to think that both QF Domestic and VA are both extremely profitable on the back of these statistics. After the capacity wars of 2013, you can see the benefits of capacity control flowing through.

The standout stat is SYD-MEL which has grown by 3.1% in pax carried on the back of only 0.9% growth in ASK and zero growth in the number of aircraft movements. With a LF of 87% on SYD-MEL, this is realistically maximum capacity and just about all peak hour services must be going out full. With slot and gate restrictions in SYD and MEL respectively, the only growth available to QF and VA will be to operate bigger aircraft. For QF, this will mean more A330s being used and for VA, I assume it will mean the likelihood of swapping 737MAX8s for 737MAX10s is growing by the day.

zkncj · Fri Apr 20, 2018 3:30 am

planemanofnz wrote:
It's great to see that BNE will get a new flight to MUA from June - this will be the first international flight to that airport.

See: https://www.radionz.co.nz/international ... -from-june.

BNE has a neat little Pacific network developing, including to some quirky and unusual destinations, such as SON:

Cheers,

C.

Maybe an TBU service next? RAR would probably be to much of an stretch.

planemanofnz · Fri Apr 20, 2018 3:34 am

zkncj wrote:
Maybe an TBU service next? RAR would probably be to much of an stretch.

I would've said SUV and/or TBU - the former for holiday traffic and the latter for VFR traffic - but who knows.

AFAIK, RAR's only Australian flight (from SYD) is subsidized, so for now, a BNE - RAR flight would be a no.

Cheers,

C.

Sydscott · Fri Apr 20, 2018 4:05 am

tullamarine wrote:
The standout stat is SYD-MEL which has grown by 3.1% in pax carried on the back of only 0.9% growth in ASK and zero growth in the number of aircraft movements. With a LF of 87% on SYD-MEL, this is realistically maximum capacity and just about all peak hour services must be going out full. With slot and gate restrictions in SYD and MEL respectively, the only growth available to QF and VA will be to operate bigger aircraft. For QF, this will mean more A330s being used and for VA, I assume it will mean the likelihood of swapping 737MAX8s for 737MAX10s is growing by the day.

A lot of the growth in QF Group has been on Jetstar so you'd expect the pair of new A321's arriving to be deployed to sub off A320's. LF's are also reflective of VA redeploying A330 capacity to International. All in all, strong growth.

tullamarine · Fri Apr 20, 2018 4:22 am

LF's are also reflective of VA redeploying A330 capacity to International.

ASKs on MEL-PER (-8.5%) and SYD-PER (-5.4%) reflect reduction of A330 ops by VA and QF on transcontinental routes. Total number of trips are also down but not as much. Reduced aircraft size has seen significant improvement in LFs despite reduction in total pax numbers.

VA do not tend to use its A332s much on SYD-MEL though I'm sure there are times they could fill them on the route were they more available.

TasFlyer · Fri Apr 20, 2018 6:55 am

log0008 wrote:
Another really strong set of Domestic Data for February:

https://bitre.gov.au/publications/ongoi ... y_2018.pdf

Total Market ( FEB 18 vs FEB 17)
Passanger Numbers: +4.1%
Seats: +1.1%
Load Factor: +2.7%

This is the best single month performance in a number of years, and comes on the back of a very strong previous 6 months with the 12 months rolling total now up 2.1%

All Major Airports saw growth in February
SYD: +4.0%
MEL: +3.7%
BNE: +3.7%
PER:+3.4%

Great to see Perth is finally starting to return to domestic growth in the last few months after years of falls, number of mining routes, such as Perth-Broome (+39%) show recover as the mining downturn ends. Great news for Qantas and hopefully more so for VA.

The minor airports also had good growth; HBA was the best of the top 10 with an 8.6 per cent increase on the back of new services to ADL (JQ), and OOL (TT); as well as QF's upgauging of all HBA-SYD from 717 to 73H, which maintained a respectable 83.6 per cent load factor courtesy of a 13.4 per cent passenger increase (highest of the top 25 routes).

TasFlyer · Fri Apr 20, 2018 7:12 am

tullamarine wrote:
LF's are also reflective of VA redeploying A330 capacity to International.

ASKs on MEL-PER (-8.5%) and SYD-PER (-5.4%) reflect reduction of A330 ops by VA and QF on transcontinental routes. Total number of trips are also down but not as much. Reduced aircraft size has seen significant improvement in LFs despite reduction in total pax numbers.

VA do not tend to use its A332s much on SYD-MEL though I'm sure there are times they could fill them on the route were they more available.

Average aircraft size (seats per trip):

PER-BNE: Down 1.7%. Feb18: 197.8 vs Feb 17: 201.3. Highest since July 2004: 249.4 (Jul 2014)
PER-SYD: Down 4.7%. Feb18: 228.7 vs Feb 17: 239.9. Highest since July 2004: 276.5 (Mar 2008)
PER-MEL: Down 1.9%. Feb18: 213.5 vs Feb 17: 217.7. Highest since July 2004: 232.0 (May 2015)

TasFlyer · Fri Apr 20, 2018 7:28 am

Sydscott wrote:
tullamarine wrote:
The standout stat is SYD-MEL which has grown by 3.1% in pax carried on the back of only 0.9% growth in ASK and zero growth in the number of aircraft movements. With a LF of 87% on SYD-MEL, this is realistically maximum capacity and just about all peak hour services must be going out full. With slot and gate restrictions in SYD and MEL respectively, the only growth available to QF and VA will be to operate bigger aircraft. For QF, this will mean more A330s being used and for VA, I assume it will mean the likelihood of swapping 737MAX8s for 737MAX10s is growing by the day.

A lot of the growth in QF Group has been on Jetstar so you'd expect the pair of new A321's arriving to be deployed to sub off A320's. LF's are also reflective of VA redeploying A330 capacity to International. All in all, strong growth.

That 87% is indeed an amazing stat. Note the figures for MEL-SYD include AVV-SYD too.

The average aircraft size (seats per trip) for MEL/AVV-SYD was only 180.5 for Feb 2018, so yes, we may see this increase in the future given the slot restrictions. For reference, since July 2004, the highest average aircraft size for MEL/AVV-SYD was 199.1 in March 2005.

tullamarine · Fri Apr 20, 2018 7:28 am

Average aircraft size (seats per trip):

PER-BNE: Down 1.7%. Feb18: 197.8 vs Feb 17: 201.3. Highest since July 2004: 249.4 (Jul 2014)
PER-SYD: Down 4.7%. Feb18: 228.7 vs Feb 17: 239.9. Highest since July 2004: 276.5 (Mar 2008)
PER-MEL: Down 1.9%. Feb18: 213.5 vs Feb 17: 217.7. Highest since July 2004: 232.0 (May 2015)

Those peak figures make sense. BNE and MEL were when most PER services were operated by A332s though as we know yields were often pretty terrible. SYD figure is from when QF were operating 743s on several PER services each day.

log0008 · Fri Apr 20, 2018 11:29 pm

Things about to get very messy at Melbourne, numerous Go-Arounds due to thick fog

waoz1 · Fri Apr 20, 2018 11:31 pm

Has anyone else noticed how bad VA is getting for frequent flyers

That there used to to be heaps of redemptions on SQ but now reduced availability.
Seems you can only really get DL and EY .... I know a year or two back I got Singapore - LAX/SFO and there were heaps of options but now nothing at all.
I had a look at even PER-HKG, NRT, etc nothing

eamondzhang · Sat Apr 21, 2018 12:06 am

log0008 wrote:
Things about to get very messy at Melbourne, numerous Go-Arounds due to thick fog

It's not too bad down the southeast, but I guess things at the airport must be messy. SQ237 is going to ADL as I speak, persumely due to long holding time.

Michael

log0008 · Sat Apr 21, 2018 12:21 am

eamondzhang wrote:
log0008 wrote:
Things about to get very messy at Melbourne, numerous Go-Arounds due to thick fog

It's not too bad down the southeast, but I guess things at the airport must be messy. SQ237 is going to ADL as I speak, persumely due to long holding time.

Michael

It's clearing now, just ongoing delays. Issue is Melbourne is so close to runway capacity during the morning that it will take a couple of hours just to clear the backlog.

eamondzhang · Sat Apr 21, 2018 2:02 am

log0008 wrote:
eamondzhang wrote:
log0008 wrote:
Things about to get very messy at Melbourne, numerous Go-Arounds due to thick fog

It's not too bad down the southeast, but I guess things at the airport must be messy. SQ237 is going to ADL as I speak, persumely due to long holding time.

Michael

It's clearing now, just ongoing delays. Issue is Melbourne is so close to runway capacity during the morning that it will take a couple of hours just to clear the backlog.

And especially true if only one runway is usable, like the case this morning when only 16 is used. The third one can't come fast enough (although it will be a disaster for spotters).

Michael

Milesdependent · Sat Apr 21, 2018 8:46 am

I noticed NZ281 SIN-AKL landing at SYD about 6:35pm local. 789. Medical perhaps?

ben175 · Sat Apr 21, 2018 9:31 am

Any word on MU's PER-PVG trial that's due to commence later this year?

JBusworth · Sat Apr 21, 2018 12:45 pm

Milesdependent wrote:
I noticed NZ281 SIN-AKL landing at SYD about 6:35pm local. 789. Medical perhaps?

I believe that it is refueling. For some reason a number of NZ 787 flights have had scheduled SYD or GUM refuelling stops recently.

waoz1 · Sun Apr 22, 2018 2:04 am

ben175 wrote:
Any word on MU's PER-PVG trial that's due to commence later this year?

I see Perth airport had a full page spread on how great they are last weekend.
Still very silent on MU, NH or JL

Is there any news on increase from EK with EY dropping out or is everyone going on to QR

mh124 · Sun Apr 22, 2018 5:28 am

ben175 wrote:
Any word on MU's PER-PVG trial that's due to commence later this year?

http://www.acbr.com.au/chinese-airlines ... g-wings-wa

This references it but again nothing concrete.
Also confirms that China Southern not getting the return they want on PER services.

oskarclare · Sun Apr 22, 2018 6:02 am

More PER CZ cuts. It was reduced to 4x weekly at end of March and further down to 3x weekly for a few months before goibg back to 5x weekly from August. This is not good that Australia's 4th biggest city can't maintain flights to China's most popular city from Australia. Even Adelaide is performing better.

http://impactpub.com.au/micebtn/85-news ... rth-flight

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