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chepos wrote:MIA COR is way overdue, LAX EZE makes no sense to me.
MAH4546 wrote:chepos wrote:MIA COR is way overdue, LAX EZE makes no sense to me.
LAXEZE is a massive local market although yeah I think a surprising add.
MAH4546 wrote:chepos wrote:MIA COR is way overdue, LAX EZE makes no sense to me.
LAXEZE is a massive local market although yeah I think a surprising add.
MAH4546 wrote:chepos wrote:MIA COR is way overdue, LAX EZE makes no sense to me.
LAXEZE is a massive local market although yeah I think a surprising add.
LAXdude1023 wrote:MAH4546 wrote:chepos wrote:MIA COR is way overdue, LAX EZE makes no sense to me.
LAXEZE is a massive local market although yeah I think a surprising add.
I think its a good way to make DFW-EZE unprofitable. I honestly think youll take one profitable flight and make two unprofitable flights with this move, but time will tell and Im happy to be proven wrong.
wenders825 wrote:LAXdude1023 wrote:MAH4546 wrote:
LAXEZE is a massive local market although yeah I think a surprising add.
I think its a good way to make DFW-EZE unprofitable. I honestly think youll take one profitable flight and make two unprofitable flights with this move, but time will tell and Im happy to be proven wrong.
they did this with GRU, everyone thought the same thing, and the two flights have coexisted just fine. AA even brought the 77W back to DFW-GRU.
the flight times will absolutely connect to NRT/PEK/PVG and CX's flights to HKG that won't have an insanely long layover.
atcanobbio wrote:one good sized Mexican city that lacks consistent service to the US is CUL. I wonder why any of the US3, especially AA, don't fly there.
I think Volaris might be only offering CUL-PHX/LAX a couple times a week.
LAXdude1023 wrote:wenders825 wrote:LAXdude1023 wrote:
I think its a good way to make DFW-EZE unprofitable. I honestly think youll take one profitable flight and make two unprofitable flights with this move, but time will tell and Im happy to be proven wrong.
they did this with GRU, everyone thought the same thing, and the two flights have coexisted just fine. AA even brought the 77W back to DFW-GRU.
the flight times will absolutely connect to NRT/PEK/PVG and CX's flights to HKG that won't have an insanely long layover.
Apples and oranges. EZE doesnt generate near the J traffic GRU does nor is the market anywhere near as big.
LAXdude1023 wrote:
Apples and oranges. EZE doesnt generate near the J traffic GRU does nor is the market anywhere near as big.
MAH4546 wrote:MIA-COR interestingly will only be a redeye to Córdoba. The return will be a daylight. 4x weekly.
C010T3 wrote:If American retreats at CNF, LATAM will have difficulty making the market work. Azul will just crush them if they try.
Let‘s see how Delta reacts at GIG. At this point, DL could go year-round to JFK and launch MCO, driving LATAM away from the Rio-US market entirely.
wenders825 wrote:C010T3 wrote:If American retreats at CNF, LATAM will have difficulty making the market work. Azul will just crush them if they try.
Let‘s see how Delta reacts at GIG. At this point, DL could go year-round to JFK and launch MCO, driving LATAM away from the Rio-US market entirely.
highly doubt DL will go year round at GIG. AA is still going to be year round, they're just going 5x weekly during low season, not anything major to sneeze at. they're a far bigger player in US-Brazil than DL, and this likely isn't going to change.
DL could fill MCO-GIG, but could they do it profitably? remember MCO-BSB?
C010T3 wrote:If American retreats at CNF, LATAM will have difficulty making the market work. Azul will just crush them if they try.
Let‘s see how Delta reacts at GIG. At this point, DL could go year-round to JFK and launch MCO, driving LATAM away from the Rio-US market entirely.
MAH4546 wrote:chepos wrote:MIA COR is way overdue, LAX EZE makes no sense to me.
LAXEZE is a massive local market although yeah I think a surprising add.
dcajet wrote:https://www.cronista.com/economiapolitica/Crecieron-15-las-reservas-aereas-internacionales-hacia-Argentina-20180327-0096.html
UPlog wrote:JFK-GIG going seasonal
WingsOfLove wrote:dcajet wrote:https://www.cronista.com/economiapolitica/Crecieron-15-las-reservas-aereas-internacionales-hacia-Argentina-20180327-0096.html
The article does not give any US passenger stats.
The US government does. Through September 2017 there was 22% fewer Argentines.
https://travel.trade.gov/view/m-2017-I-001/table6.asp
C010T3 wrote:UPlog wrote:JFK-GIG going seasonal
No, JFK-GIG is going 5x weekly in the low season, but returns to daily in the high season.
dcajet wrote:Every country is down in terms of outbound travel to the US
Cointrin330 wrote:Anyone know the flight times on LAX-EZE and EZE-LAX, meaning the duration of these flights, not the scheduled departure and arrival times?
HNL wrote:Remember AA has to fund some of the new Long Haul flying, and that will come at the expense of existing South America flying. LAX-GRU will reduce to 4x a week. MIA-GRU day flight drops.
There are two sides to every coin. AA does not like to talk about the dark side of the coin, just the shiny front side.
allegiantflyer wrote:Wow! with the addition of BUD, AA has been very bold with adding "off the beaten path" destinations to their route network.
Despite Brazil cuts(does anyone think frequencies will ever come back?), AA remains strong in South America
Corpsnerd09 wrote:Anyone else see that they're cutting DFW-UIO? I didn't read it myself just had someone mention it to me about the cuts. Too bad, it was a unique route if true.
LAXdude1023 wrote:MAH4546 wrote:chepos wrote:MIA COR is way overdue, LAX EZE makes no sense to me.
LAXEZE is a massive local market although yeah I think a surprising add.
I think its a good way to make DFW-EZE unprofitable. I honestly think youll take one profitable flight and make two unprofitable flights with this move, but time will tell and Im happy to be proven wrong.
Corpsnerd09 wrote:Anyone else see that they're cutting DFW-UIO? I didn't read it myself just had someone mention it to me about the cuts. Too bad, it was a unique route if true.
jersey777 wrote:According to AA...
Rio de Janeiro (GIG): Starting Aug. 21, JFK-GIG frequency will reduce to five times per week but return to daily service to support peak winter travel from Dec. 19 through March 16. In 2019, we will only operate this route seasonally from December through March.[/quotechepos wrote:So is JFK GIG going seasonal or 5x weekly, not clear about that:
grbauc wrote:HNL wrote:Remember AA has to fund some of the new Long Haul flying, and that will come at the expense of existing South America flying. LAX-GRU will reduce to 4x a week. MIA-GRU day flight drops.
There are two sides to every coin. AA does not like to talk about the dark side of the coin, just the shiny front side.
ah duh what airline or business does? Not an AA thing a business thing.
mfricke wrote:It's Buenos Aires (EZE)! Here's a cut and paste from their website:
"American is also introducing service to Buenos Aires, Argentina (EZE), from its West Coast hub at Los Angeles International Airport (LAX), making American the first and only airline to offer nonstop service between these two major cities."
LAX772LR wrote:Awesome move by AA!
Shame on DL/AR for getting beat to the punch, especially since the route is hub-hub for SkyTeam.
airzona11 wrote:DL would have to pull a 777 which they do not have many of (their A350s are spoken for as well).
LAX772LR wrote:airzona11 wrote:DL would have to pull a 777 which they do not have many of (their A350s are spoken for as well).
That's not true. Their A332s could fly the route with no problem.
airzona11 wrote:LAX772LR wrote:airzona11 wrote:DL would have to pull a 777 which they do not have many of (their A350s are spoken for as well).
That's not true. Their A332s could fly the route with no problem.
Absolutely true. But that is a long route for an A332. Given they are a fair bit smaller than the 789 and in slim numbers only 11, I think it is not much of a stretch to see why the 789 is a better choice.
LAX772LR wrote:Awesome move by AA!
Shame on DL/AR for getting beat to the punch, especially since the route is hub-hub for SkyTeam.
deltal1011man wrote:LAX772LR wrote:Awesome move by AA!
Shame on DL/AR for getting beat to the punch, especially since the route is hub-hub for SkyTeam.
yep shame on them for not trying to set money on fire.
Delta has a single flight to EZE and its pretty foolish to think LAX-EZE would even be considered before JFK and probably DTW/MCO (both of which would be slightly, only slightly, less stupid of an idea than LAX-EZE)
All LAX-EZE is for American is American trying to find something for the 787 to do so they can cut down GRU. Once this proves to be a flop American will do something more sensible with the 787 slack.
Delta has a lot more places from LAX they need to tie airplanes and gate to before wasting them on moonshots like EZE. (I'd argue just internationally, PEK*, HKG, SIN, ICN, MEL and even AKL would make more sense as new routes(most of those are questionable) plus getting AMS/CDG to daily and adding Delta metal back to GDL and LHR)
Delta does not need JFK-EZE as AR fly it (Delta very briefly operated a nonstop JFK to EZE flight in the 2000s), and AR are part of SkyTeam. EZE is a big market for AA. Not sure what to make of it, but I would think in the event of another downturn in the Argentine economy, this flight would be quickly axed.
*PEK has the bilateral issue, I know.
Oh and on top of that, Delta doesn't have the slack in the international widebody fleet to add LAX-EZE. Unless Delta places a widebody order (questionable if the training department could even handle it till 2021) and becomes a lot less conservative, routes like that aren't going to happen. Grow will be domestic and extending the seasonal operations of routes.
in 2019 the 2 extra A350s could allow the start of a new route or two but its more likely they park more 767s considering the 339 is being pushed back to 2020.