Eirules
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Re: Future U.S. Expansion Possibilities For Aer Lingus

Mon Jun 25, 2018 8:58 am

Jees some of this is madness.
Halifax? Not a hope.

Auckland via LAX? No traffic rights.

LAX? Eh they already fly there

DFW won’t work until they tie up with AA? Tell MIA that

Aer Lingus have shown they can attract connections from throughout Europe, even from cities with nonstop US services and this is what they’ll be aiming to build on.

Yes Texas makes sense, with or without AA. There’s always the possibility they’ll build on the UA codeshare and go to IAH though. LAS has to be up there, between VS & BA they’re flying up to 1000 passengers a day between UK & Vegas and many of the UK regions are being forced into significant drives to get to them flights. And if you look at what they’ve done in BDL, then PIT is highly likely.

In Canada, it’s unlikely they’ll go to YVR, sure Rouge are only seasonal a couple of times per week but YUL is possible if they can continue connections with AC / WS
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Re: Future U.S. Expansion Possibilities For Aer Lingus

Mon Jun 25, 2018 8:58 am

Lufthansa wrote:
They have to focus on connections Ireland... it's just too small of a market. But the rest of the UK and perhaps part of Scandinavia (aka... what KLM does... defecto carrier for both of those markets) and they may just stand a chance. So given that, some thoughts. How about looking at some seasonal destinations. CPT, CUN. etc. I know they won't wanna go too far south as that may cut into IB's Latin America business. LAX and LAS seem like obvious markets. But they'll but uk against Norwegian. Yields aren't gonna be great. Their biggest issue is going to be connections. BA just offer more. It kind of leaves them with the home market, plus overflow from smaller UK markets. It wouldn't be high yielding but if they wanted to get REALLY brave though, send a 332 down to AKL via LAX. If you consider the amount of ppl with UK and Irish decent you'd fill it, plus 5th freedom American traffic. That link might be better left to the Americans though.


EI have been serving LAX for years.

Recently they opened Miami and Seattle, markets which BA are already on......
 
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Re: Future U.S. Expansion Possibilities For Aer Lingus

Mon Jun 25, 2018 11:42 am

If only they ended up getting those 359's - then I'd have said that DUB - HNL could've been an option, fitting the profile of DUB succeeding as a lower-yielding transit hub into Europe.

IMO, the big gap in EI's US network is Texas. I don't understand what's stopping them from doing a tie-up with AA, and serving DFW? DFW is AA's biggest hub globally. Makes sense.

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Re: Future U.S. Expansion Possibilities For Aer Lingus

Mon Jun 25, 2018 1:16 pm

Lufthansa wrote:
They have to focus on connections Ireland... it's just too small of a market. But the rest of the UK and perhaps part of Scandinavia (aka... what KLM does... defecto carrier for both of those markets) and they may just stand a chance. So given that, some thoughts. How about looking at some seasonal destinations. CPT, CUN. etc. I know they won't wanna go too far south as that may cut into IB's Latin America business. LAX and LAS seem like obvious markets. But they'll but uk against Norwegian. Yields aren't gonna be great. Their biggest issue is going to be connections. BA just offer more. It kind of leaves them with the home market, plus overflow from smaller UK markets. It wouldn't be high yielding but if they wanted to get REALLY brave though, send a 332 down to AKL via LAX. If you consider the amount of ppl with UK and Irish decent you'd fill it, plus 5th freedom American traffic. That link might be better left to the Americans though.


It would be interesting to see how maths would work out as regards this.

You have a point with location, should not forget that because of the sea it gives such great options as regards connecting flights. The distance actually isn’t that far
 
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Re: Future U.S. Expansion Possibilities For Aer Lingus

Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:51 pm

So does anyone have any inside information where EI is going next in North America ?
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Re: Future U.S. Expansion Possibilities For Aer Lingus

Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:27 pm

klm617 wrote:
So does anyone have any inside information where EI is going next in North America ?

Well since this thread was started Aer Lingus have announced Minneapolis and Montreal, starting July and August respectively. These two additions will cover the growth for this year with summer 2020 being the next opportunity for expansion but it's a bit early for any rumours regarding that.

Management confirmed last month that along with the A321LR joining this year, they'll also add two more A330s next year which greatly expands the field of opportunity once again.

I have no insider knowledge, not officially anyway, but Denver and Pittsburg were heavily featured in the last round of rumours. Denver apparently lost out to Seattle at the last hurdle.

Eirules wrote:
Halifax? Not a hope.

In fairness Halifax was rumoured with A320s a couple of years ago. Nothing came of it but management are said to have considered it on a seasonal basis.
 
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Re: Future U.S. Expansion Possibilities For Aer Lingus

Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:33 am

shamrock350 wrote:
klm617 wrote:
So does anyone have any inside information where EI is going next in North America ?

Well since this thread was started Aer Lingus have announced Minneapolis and Montreal, starting July and August respectively. These two additions will cover the growth for this year with summer 2020 being the next opportunity for expansion but it's a bit early for any rumours regarding that.

Management confirmed last month that along with the A321LR joining this year, they'll also add two more A330s next year which greatly expands the field of opportunity once again.

I have no insider knowledge, not officially anyway, but Denver and Pittsburg were heavily featured in the last round of rumours. Denver apparently lost out to Seattle at the last hurdle.

Eirules wrote:
Halifax? Not a hope.

In fairness Halifax was rumoured with A320s a couple of years ago. Nothing came of it but management are said to have considered it on a seasonal basis.


It's worth pointing out that in their December 21, 2018 filing to joint the IAG joint venture with AA, they argue that inclusion in the joint venture would lead to new services to 'smaller, spoke cities':

Having support from a local joint business partner’s brand recognition, sales force, and frequent flyer program will help attract passengers and create opportunities for new service to smaller, spoke cities.

Given Aer Lingus cite the necessity of joint venture inclusion as it relates to expanded service, I'd expect we won't hear a peep out of them around potential expansion until the DOT has ruled on their December 2018 application into the JV. Additionally, once they are included in the joint venture, which I expect will happen, it'll be AA and BA deciding where EI flies as much as EI.

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