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enilria wrote:That'll be tough with the DL/AM alliance. I think over time DL/AM are going to make marginal routes like this one very tough as they lock down corporates on both sides of the border.
enilria wrote:That'll be tough with the DL/AM alliance. I think over time DL/AM are going to make marginal routes like this one very tough as they lock down corporates on both sides of the border.
UALFAson wrote:enilria wrote:That'll be tough with the DL/AM alliance. I think over time DL/AM are going to make marginal routes like this one very tough as they lock down corporates on both sides of the border.
My guess is that AA is more interesting in capturing European bound traffic to/from MEX versus O&D on the route as they build PHL into their trans-Atlantic hub. My mother regularly worked the IAD-MEX flights for UA and said there were always huge percentages of pax connecting to and from Europe.
usflyer msp wrote:Given the current relationship between the US and Mexico, I doubt there are many Mexicans interesting transiting the US on their way to Europe - unless it was fire sale cheap...
DaufuskieGuy wrote:has there ever been a move to have pre clearance at MEX? If not, why not?
DaufuskieGuy wrote:has there ever been a move to have pre clearance at MEX? If not, why not?
EddieDude wrote:U.S. carriers and AC usually have very attractive MEX-Europe fares,
usairways85 wrote:DaufuskieGuy wrote:has there ever been a move to have pre clearance at MEX? If not, why not?
Well if anything they should have it at CUN before MEX.
Thenoflyzone wrote:DaufuskieGuy wrote:has there ever been a move to have pre clearance at MEX? If not, why not?
Probably lack of space.EddieDude wrote:U.S. carriers and AC usually have very attractive MEX-Europe fares,
YYZ and YUL have the upper hand though, as Mexicans no longer require a visa to Canada.
EddieDude wrote:usflyer msp wrote:Given the current relationship between the US and Mexico, I doubt there are many Mexicans interesting transiting the US on their way to Europe - unless it was fire sale cheap...
I doubt the connecting market of UA/AA/DL for Mexico-Europe/elsewhere has been significantly affected by the ideology, rhetoric and actions of the current administration. And I pretty much doubt it will be affected going forward.
United787 wrote:Is anyone else surprised that PHL didn't have a non-stop to Mexico City already? 7th largest metro area in the US with no direct flight to the capital and largest city to our enormous neighboring country.
usflyer msp wrote:EddieDude wrote:usflyer msp wrote:Given the current relationship between the US and Mexico, I doubt there are many Mexicans interesting transiting the US on their way to Europe - unless it was fire sale cheap...
I doubt the connecting market of UA/AA/DL for Mexico-Europe/elsewhere has been significantly affected by the ideology, rhetoric and actions of the current administration. And I pretty much doubt it will be affected going forward.
I disagree. If you could transit the US without clearing immigration like Europe and Canada, it might not make a difference but most Mexicans (even with a visa) I know will not deal with with US CBP unless absolutely necessary - they are not going to accept being treated like a crime suspect just to save a few dollars...
DaufuskieGuy wrote:usairways85 wrote:DaufuskieGuy wrote:has there ever been a move to have pre clearance at MEX? If not, why not?
Well if anything they should have it at CUN before MEX.
well maybe based on volume but MEX is more high yielding plus I imagine more connecting to overseas flights also high yielding.
usflyer msp wrote:EddieDude wrote:usflyer msp wrote:Given the current relationship between the US and Mexico, I doubt there are many Mexicans interesting transiting the US on their way to Europe - unless it was fire sale cheap...
I doubt the connecting market of UA/AA/DL for Mexico-Europe/elsewhere has been significantly affected by the ideology, rhetoric and actions of the current administration. And I pretty much doubt it will be affected going forward.
I disagree. If you could transit the US without clearing immigration like Europe and Canada, it might not make a difference but most Mexicans (even with a visa) I know will not deal with with US CBP unless absolutely necessary - they are not going to accept being treated like a crime suspect just to save a few dollars...
Brickell305 wrote:DaufuskieGuy wrote:usairways85 wrote:Well if anything they should have it at CUN before MEX.
well maybe based on volume but MEX is more high yielding plus I imagine more connecting to overseas flights also high yielding.
What would yields have to do with a government decision about where to open preclearance facilities?
LupineChemist wrote:Brickell305 wrote:DaufuskieGuy wrote:
well maybe based on volume but MEX is more high yielding plus I imagine more connecting to overseas flights also high yielding.
What would yields have to do with a government decision about where to open preclearance facilities?
US preclearance is paid for by the local airport. So it would make sense that a more profitable airport would have more money to pay for it.
usflyer msp wrote:EddieDude wrote:usflyer msp wrote:Given the current relationship between the US and Mexico, I doubt there are many Mexicans interesting transiting the US on their way to Europe - unless it was fire sale cheap...
I doubt the connecting market of UA/AA/DL for Mexico-Europe/elsewhere has been significantly affected by the ideology, rhetoric and actions of the current administration. And I pretty much doubt it will be affected going forward.
I disagree. If you could transit the US without clearing immigration like Europe and Canada, it might not make a difference but most Mexicans (even with a visa) I know will not deal with with US CBP unless absolutely necessary - they are not going to accept being treated like a crime suspect just to save a few dollars...
UpNAWAy wrote:usflyer msp wrote:EddieDude wrote:I doubt the connecting market of UA/AA/DL for Mexico-Europe/elsewhere has been significantly affected by the ideology, rhetoric and actions of the current administration. And I pretty much doubt it will be affected going forward.
I disagree. If you could transit the US without clearing immigration like Europe and Canada, it might not make a difference but most Mexicans (even with a visa) I know will not deal with with US CBP unless absolutely necessary - they are not going to accept being treated like a crime suspect just to save a few dollars...
What lying BS. 20 million Mexicans visit the US and CBP treats them just like everyone else.
enilria wrote:That'll be tough with the DL/AM alliance. I think over time DL/AM are going to make marginal routes like this one very tough as they lock down corporates on both sides of the border.
usflyer msp wrote:UpNAWAy wrote:usflyer msp wrote:
I disagree. If you could transit the US without clearing immigration like Europe and Canada, it might not make a difference but most Mexicans (even with a visa) I know will not deal with with US CBP unless absolutely necessary - they are not going to accept being treated like a crime suspect just to save a few dollars...
What lying BS. 20 million Mexicans visit the US and CBP treats them just like everyone else.
Are you Mexican? how would you know...
acentauri wrote:Come on MAH4546 - are you hiding?? What's your read on this addition. Is there enough Jersey/Philadelphia region O&D + connections, competing with existing NYC services, to support this flight year round? IMO, AA will likely cancel CLT-MEX and drive those connections through PHL. I'm not convinced AA views this flight as primarily domestic connections to Europe, since there are currently 4-5 daily DFW-MEX non-stops on AA for that purpose. It's not likely a OW driven decision either, since Iberia already offers significant European connections to MEX via MAD. The actual PHL-MEX Add itself isn't at all questionable, it's the Year Round aspect, which would probably require some commercial contract support.
B752OS wrote:Since people are mentioning that AA will capture passengers flying MEX-PHL-Europe, does AA already connect a sizable amount of European passengers over their other hubs like MIA and CLT?
jfklganyc wrote:Didnt they used to serve MEX from JFK or am I “misrememberin?”
Blerg wrote:People who would be flying between Europe and Mexico via Philadelphia, will they have to check-in their bags in PHL or will they go straight through their final destination?
LupineChemist wrote:Blerg wrote:People who would be flying between Europe and Mexico via Philadelphia, will they have to check-in their bags in PHL or will they go straight through their final destination?
It would be like any other US connection. Collect bags and re-check right after customs. You just right to go recheck when you would otherwise go left to go landside.
jfklganyc wrote:
That was Eastern 66. Landed near what is now JFK Expwy.
Thank you for info.
Who was the second US carrier on route? Wasnt there a 2/2 rule? Just DL out of JFK? I think TW had JFK MSY MEX thru flight as late as late 90s
usflyer msp wrote:Varsity1 wrote:usflyer msp wrote:
Are you Mexican? how would you know...
Because it's secret information that only mexicans can know, right?
Because white Americans telling Mexicans their feeling are wrongl despite having no personal experience regarding the Mexicans/CBP relationship is the epitome of white privilege...
jfklganyc wrote:usflyer msp wrote:Varsity1 wrote:
Because it's secret information that only mexicans can know, right?
Because white Americans telling Mexicans their feeling are wrongl despite having no personal experience regarding the Mexicans/CBP relationship is the epitome of white privilege...
No offense get this political garbage out of an aviation forum. Most of us come on here to talk about planes and get away from the every day BS
WA707atMSP wrote:jfklganyc wrote:Didnt they used to serve MEX from JFK or am I “misrememberin?”
AA has wanted to serve JFK-MEX since the 1950s, but has never received authority to do so.
NYC-MEX nonstops were awarded to Eastern in 1957, at the same time AA got Chicago-Mexico City and Western got LAX-MEX. On 24 June 1975, the EA L-1011 flying MEX-JFK was almost pushed into the ground by wind shear; the pilot came within a few feet of crashing, and diverted to EWR. The aircraft behind the EA L-1011 on approach to JFK was an EA 727-225 inbound from MSY, which was not so lucky.
MIflyer12 wrote:United787 wrote:Is anyone else surprised that PHL didn't have a non-stop to Mexico City already? 7th largest metro area in the US with no direct flight to the capital and largest city to our enormous neighboring country.
PHL punches way under its weight as an MSA for O&D traffic. 7th largest MSA and 19th in domestic O&D passenger count - just ahead of DTW.