Its been toast for awhile now, a few years ago Fabrice said development was cancelled.

Technically the -800 was cancelled couple years ago when Airbus stated it won't build the smallest A350 member.

Wow, this, HA, and VS cancelling A380 all in rapid succession.

It'd be terrible news if it wasn't so underwhelming!

Seems like Airbus should avoid -800 in model numbers, none of them do so good.
A350-800.
A330-800.
A380-800.

Revelation wrote:

Wow, this, HA, and VS cancelling A380 all in rapid succession.

It'd be terrible news if it wasn't so underwhelming!

Seems like Airbus should avoid -800 in model numbers, none of them do so good.
A350-800.
A330-800.
A380-800.

We need a new headline "new sales chief finds skeletons in closet"

KarelXWB wrote:

Revelation wrote:

Wow, this, HA, and VS cancelling A380 all in rapid succession.

It'd be terrible news if it wasn't so underwhelming!

Seems like Airbus should avoid -800 in model numbers, none of them do so good.
A350-800.
A330-800.
A380-800.

We need a new headline "new sales chief finds skeletons in closet"

I don't know how serious you were with that post, KarelXWB, but I think your post is exactly right. Airbus needed to do a little cleanup of some of the orders that were never going to come to fruition, and what better time to do it than with a new sales chief? The real indicator of the situation will be how Eric Schulz fares in the next couple of campaigns. We've been hearing of campaigns at UA and AA for the A330neo (-800 and -900 respectively), LH topup of A350s, VN and QF deciding between the A350 and 777x, A320 replacement at Finnair, and so on...

KarelXWB wrote:

We need a new headline "new sales chief finds skeletons in closet"

To me the headline is more like "John Leahy clears his desk to make a clean sheet start for Eric Schultz...."

Revelation wrote:

A380-800.

Brutal! -ir

Airbus needs something for 230-330 passengers category...A350 just don't cut it. Boeing is having a home run for B787 family.

juliuswong wrote:

Airbus needs something for 230-330 passengers category...A350 just don't cut it. Boeing is having a home run for B787 family.

Airbus already has a good chunk of that market covered with the A330s.

MrHMSH wrote:

Revelation wrote:

Wow, this, HA, and VS cancelling A380 all in rapid succession.

It'd be terrible news if it wasn't so underwhelming!

Seems like Airbus should avoid -800 in model numbers, none of them do so good.
A350-800.
A330-800.
A380-800.

The A350-800 being converted to the A350-900 is in no way bad news for Airbus.

Well I can't imagine it's good news! Asiana held off on this for such a long time to force Airbus into concessions. An order for 358s converted into an equal number of 359s tells me that Asiana probably will be paying the same amount for the 359 that they had negotiated for the 358. That's around $40 million each at list price, or $1.2 billion for the entire order. I realize no one pays list price, but the point is the same — big price difference. Asiana also got their orders in pretty early on, which means they locked in favorable rates.

Tl;dr Airbus kept the deal intact, but I'm willing to bet they're fulfilling this order at a loss. So...maybe a little bit of bad news.

Revelation wrote:

Seems like Airbus should avoid -800 in model numbers, none of them do so good.

A380-800.

It has sold more than if it had never been launched...one way to look at it.

atcsundevil wrote:

Well I can't imagine it's good news! Asiana held off on this for such a long time to force Airbus into concessions. An order for 358s converted into an equal number of 359s tells me that Asiana probably will be paying the same amount for the 359 that they had negotiated for the 358. That's around $40 million each at list price, or $1.2 billion for the entire order. I realize no one pays list price, but the point is the same — big price difference. Asiana also got their orders in pretty early on, which means they locked in favorable rates.

Tl;dr Airbus kept the deal intact, but I'm willing to bet they're fulfilling this order at a loss. So...maybe a little bit of bad news.

Wow! $40M apiece for an order of A359s...that's chicken scratch for an airplane that size!

Revelation wrote:

Seems like Airbus should avoid -800 in model numbers, none of them do so good.
A350-800.
A330-800.
A380-800.

Wish that they WOULD drop the stupid -8/-800 thing, so that we aren't in the 1000s with just two derivative iterations

aeromoe wrote:

atcsundevil wrote:

Well I can't imagine it's good news! Asiana held off on this for such a long time to force Airbus into concessions. An order for 358s converted into an equal number of 359s tells me that Asiana probably will be paying the same amount for the 359 that they had negotiated for the 358. That's around $40 million each at list price, or $1.2 billion for the entire order. I realize no one pays list price, but the point is the same — big price difference. Asiana also got their orders in pretty early on, which means they locked in favorable rates.

Tl;dr Airbus kept the deal intact, but I'm willing to bet they're fulfilling this order at a loss. So...maybe a little bit of bad news.

Wow! $40M apiece for an order of A359s...that's chicken scratch for an airplane that size!

Obviously a mistake as the list price is way more than $40 million.

The A358 is officially cancelled then?

aeromoe wrote:

atcsundevil wrote:

Well I can't imagine it's good news! Asiana held off on this for such a long time to force Airbus into concessions. An order for 358s converted into an equal number of 359s tells me that Asiana probably will be paying the same amount for the 359 that they had negotiated for the 358. That's around $40 million each at list price, or $1.2 billion for the entire order. I realize no one pays list price, but the point is the same — big price difference. Asiana also got their orders in pretty early on, which means they locked in favorable rates.

Tl;dr Airbus kept the deal intact, but I'm willing to bet they're fulfilling this order at a loss. So...maybe a little bit of bad news.

Wow! $40M apiece for an order of A359s...that's chicken scratch for an airplane that size!

No, a $40 million price difference between the 358 and 359 at list prices. I should have made that clearer.

LAX772LR wrote:

Revelation wrote:

Seems like Airbus should avoid -800 in model numbers, none of them do so good.
A350-800.
A330-800.
A380-800.

Wish that they WOULD drop the stupid -8/-800 thing, so that we aren't in the 1000s with just two derivative iterations

But then they'd never sell planes in China

It must be officially cancelled as there's no longer an A350-800 column on the O&D spreadsheet Worldwide tab!

In fact, looking at Airbus's O&D spreadsheet, Asiana's original order of 8 x A358, 12 x A359 & 10 x A35K now shows as 21 x A359 (of which 4 delivered) and 9 x A35K. So it looks as though they also converted one -1000 to -900 as well.

aeromoe wrote:

Wow! $40M apiece for an order of A359s...that's chicken scratch for an airplane that size!

delta in list price.

WP:EN:A350XWB@2010:
Unit cost
A350-800: US$225.1m (2010)
A350-900: US$254.5m (2010)
A350-1000: US$285.2m (2010)[2]

LAX772LR wrote:

Revelation wrote:

Seems like Airbus should avoid -800 in model numbers, none of them do so good.
A350-800.
A330-800.
A380-800.

Wish that they WOULD drop the stupid -8/-800 thing, so that we aren't in the 1000s with just two derivative iterations

Indeed, that was my point.

The fact that I could make that point AND take a shot at the A380 at the same time was too much for me to resist.

IslandRob wrote:

Revelation wrote:

A380-800.

Brutal! -ir

He shoots, he scores!

What happened to the A350 800 order at Aeroflot?