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727200 wrote:A snowball in he'll has a better chance of survival than UA ever buying A-330. It's called negotiation ploy. Not gonna ever happen.
727200 wrote:A snowball in he'll has a better chance of survival than UA ever buying A-330. It's called negotiation ploy. Not gonna ever happen.
It is unclear what could replace the 767. Ron Baur, vice-president of fleet at United, said in May 2014 that the Boeing 787-9 was "ultimately a replacement for the 767-300ER". However, the airline has used the 19 787-9s it has taken since then for growth rather than replacement.
In addition, the airline opted to refurbish the interiors and extend the life of 21 767-300ERs as oil prices fell in early 2015.
Additional 787s could be ordered to replace the 767, however, the high capital costs of the next generation widebody are widely seen as a disincentive for such a move.
B777LRF wrote:There's no clearly, or even loosely, defined '797'; it's not even a paper plane at this stage, simply because there is no next generation engine available to power the thing. It will be, at least, 5-7 years before an engine becomes available, meaning a '797' is a good 6-8 years away, but probably close to 10. If United, or anybody else, is willing to wait that long for product which hasn't been defined and which may, or may not, fit their need then good for them. Otherwise the only shows in town are the A321neo, A330neo and 787.
rnav2dlrey wrote:UA will never buy the A330.
MrHMSH wrote:If Leahy was still in charge and pulled that off he'd have had to retire on the spot. I'm not as pessimistic about the A338 as some others... but there's optimism and there's fantasy, this is surely the latter. The 797 is much closer to the size and performance/capability they want.
Theseus wrote:MrHMSH wrote:If Leahy was still in charge and pulled that off he'd have had to retire on the spot. I'm not as pessimistic about the A338 as some others... but there's optimism and there's fantasy, this is surely the latter. The 797 is much closer to the size and performance/capability they want.
I did not follow the 797 threads, but am confused. How much has been defined about this plane ?
MrHMSH wrote:Theseus wrote:MrHMSH wrote:If Leahy was still in charge and pulled that off he'd have had to retire on the spot. I'm not as pessimistic about the A338 as some others... but there's optimism and there's fantasy, this is surely the latter. The 797 is much closer to the size and performance/capability they want.
I did not follow the 797 threads, but am confused. How much has been defined about this plane ?
It will have less capability than the A330-200/800 and closer in size to the 757/767 than the A330 is.
StTim wrote:I am sure Boeing are teasing the airlines with the 797 be it one or two different frames. It is the classic disruption ploy. Look what is just around the corner. Oh sorry it is just around the next corner - and so on...
Bricktop wrote:If little games like this get us closer to the 797 launch, then good. For an airline that hasn't operated the A33X family to jump in on an orphan would be a surprise. Unless they use it to get out of the A350 order.
727200 wrote:A snowball in he'll has a better chance of survival than UA ever buying A-330. It's called negotiation ploy. Not gonna ever happen.
NZ321 wrote:I agree with most of the above. Either way this is positive. Airbus certainly doesn't have rose tinted spectacles on. They have been through plenty in the past few years to know whether this is a tactic or a genuine position. To say that those on the UAL Board will never sign an order for an Airbus is an indictment on the board. It's a serious criticism of their critical faculties. Surely we can all see that? UAL will buy the right aircraft for them at the right price considering their medium and long term needs. That is a given. If Boeing doesn't have that aircraft then Airbus is in with a chance.
jfklganyc wrote:I can’t believe that people still think that United wouldnt order an Airbus. Didn’t they just double down on their 350 order?
Channex757 wrote:The 338NEO could just work. It would give them some front cabin creativity on the North Atlantic where that centre row of business has always been a little odd for its time.
The plane sits between the 764 and 772 in general size so it's not that much of a departure. Offer it with a paper-and-plug derate and UAL could find it very interesting indeed without the long range. Many other airlines went from 767-300 to A330-200 so what is the issue here? If Airbus bundle a deal with the A21N it would be a compelling offer over vapourware with a potential high price tag.
RalXWB wrote:United with its current Continental and Boeing Board will never order any more Airbus unfortunately...
KarelXWB wrote:Note that the A330-800 is just one of 5 options being considered to replace the 757/767 fleets. It's not a given that UA will simply select the A330neo.
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... nt-446322/
Gingersnap wrote:727200 wrote:A snowball in he'll has a better chance of survival than UA ever buying A-330. It's called negotiation ploy. Not gonna ever happen.
Well if it's that obvious (and I agree), then Airbus would be well served to barely budge on price.
jfklganyc wrote:I can’t believe that people still think that United wouldnt order an Airbus. Didn’t they just double down on their 350 order?
It all depends how quickly they want the airplane… There is no 797 it doesn’t even have a name yet
StTim wrote:Gingersnap wrote:727200 wrote:A snowball in he'll has a better chance of survival than UA ever buying A-330. It's called negotiation ploy. Not gonna ever happen.
Well if it's that obvious (and I agree), then Airbus would be well served to barely budge on price.
Or they lowball it so that Boeing - who will need to compete at some level has to accept reduced margins! If they win at a low price then they have another foot in the door. Is that not a win win strategy for Airbus?
Gingersnap wrote:StTim wrote:Gingersnap wrote:
Well if it's that obvious (and I agree), then Airbus would be well served to barely budge on price.
Or they lowball it so that Boeing - who will need to compete at some level has to accept reduced margins! If they win at a low price then they have another foot in the door. Is that not a win win strategy for Airbus?
That is true. I guess I was going along with the assumption that UA had no intention, regardless of the price of buying Airbus aircraft. So to that end, I would as an manufacturer, not indulge a non-customer the benefit of getting better prices elsewhere. I guess if they go extreme either end, they can either hurt Boeing or UA if United indeed have eyes only for Boeing.
KarelXWB wrote:Note that the A330-800 is just one of 5 options being considered to replace the 757/767 fleets. It's not a given that UA will simply select the A330neo.
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... nt-446322/
parapente wrote:People speak of the loooong runway requirements of the stretched 737's particularly the -9.One must assume that the extra stretched 7310 is no better.Would that not effect its usefulness on some of their routes?