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You'll be cramped in the seats -- American insists it still feels like 31 inches because the seats are thinner.
But they'll feel like heaven if you go to the toilet first.
ikolkyo wrote:I’m scared to imagine how an similarly configured A321 would look like.
ikolkyo wrote:I’m scared to imagine how an similarly configured A321 would look like.
kbmiflyer wrote:I have been a loyal AA flyer since 1998, making Gold most years. I can honestly say the move to this configuration of the 737-800 has me seriously thinking moving by business to Delta.
commavia wrote:ikolkyo wrote:I’m scared to imagine how an similarly configured A321 would look like.
If customers want more legroom, they will - in virtually all cases - have the opportunity to either pay for it, and/or select a competitor that offers it.
commavia wrote:ikolkyo wrote:I’m scared to imagine how an similarly configured A321 would look like.
Probably a lot like the dozens of A321s (with dozens more to come) already flying around today at Delta with two more seats than what AA's A321s will have after they're reconfigured, and that isn't counting the 100 new A321neos Delta will begin accepting in 2020 with seven more seats than AA's A321s will have. And then there are the Delta 75Ds fly today that have the same minimum amount of legroom as AA's 737s and A321s will have, and the numerous United aircraft with that same amount of minimum legroom, and not to mention the hundreds of aircraft flying around with multiple U.S. carriers that have tight bathrooms, and on and on.
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I continue to find it remarkable how much people continue to complain about this, and in particular how people seem to be fixated on this specific to AA. Cabin densification is an entirely economically rational response to consumers' own behavior - and not just AA, but at essentially every single major U.S. carrier. If customers want more legroom, they will - in virtually all cases - have the opportunity to either pay for it, and/or select a competitor that offers it.
commavia wrote:ikolkyo wrote:I’m scared to imagine how an similarly configured A321 would look like.
Probably a lot like the dozens of A321s (with dozens more to come) already flying around today at Delta with two more seats than what AA's A321s will have after they're reconfigured, and that isn't counting the 100 new A321neos Delta will begin accepting in 2020 with seven more seats than AA's A321s will have. And then there are the Delta 75Ds fly today that have the same minimum amount of legroom as AA's 737s and A321s will have, and the numerous United aircraft with that same amount of minimum legroom, and not to mention the hundreds of aircraft flying around with multiple U.S. carriers that have tight bathrooms, and on and on.
I continue to find it remarkable how much people continue to complain about this, and in particular how people seem to be fixated on this specific to AA. Cabin densification is an entirely economically rational response to consumers' own behavior - and not just AA, but at essentially every single major U.S. carrier. If customers want more legroom, they will - in virtually all cases - have the opportunity to either pay for it, and/or select a competitor that offers it.
Planeyguy wrote:Is this a problem on the American or Boeing? Do other 737s also have this problem?
kevin5345179 wrote:You'll be cramped in the seats -- American insists it still feels like 31 inches because the seats are thinner.
But they'll feel like heaven if you go to the toilet first.
lol ........
mikeyp224 wrote:kbmiflyer wrote:I have been a loyal AA flyer since 1998, making Gold most years. I can honestly say the move to this configuration of the 737-800 has me seriously thinking moving by business to Delta.
A quick glance at delta.com will educate you on the fact that Delta advertises seats with 30" pitch in economy on their single aisle planes just like American is re-configuring to. Might have to move your business to another airline!
sagechan wrote:Buy an MCE or a First seat problem solved.
sagechan wrote:Buy an MCE or a First seat problem solved.
pdt2f wrote:commavia wrote:ikolkyo wrote:I’m scared to imagine how an similarly configured A321 would look like.
Probably a lot like the dozens of A321s (with dozens more to come) already flying around today at Delta with two more seats than what AA's A321s will have after they're reconfigured, and that isn't counting the 100 new A321neos Delta will begin accepting in 2020 with seven more seats than AA's A321s will have. And then there are the Delta 75Ds fly today that have the same minimum amount of legroom as AA's 737s and A321s will have, and the numerous United aircraft with that same amount of minimum legroom, and not to mention the hundreds of aircraft flying around with multiple U.S. carriers that have tight bathrooms, and on and on.
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I continue to find it remarkable how much people continue to complain about this, and in particular how people seem to be fixated on this specific to AA. Cabin densification is an entirely economically rational response to consumers' own behavior - and not just AA, but at essentially every single major U.S. carrier. If customers want more legroom, they will - in virtually all cases - have the opportunity to either pay for it, and/or select a competitor that offers it.
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I wonder the same thing. In the same breath people will complain about how narrow seats are and how expensive it is to fly. Pay more, get more. Flying is a fraction of the cost it was in the regulation era but people insist on acting like they should get an Emirates suite for Spirit prices.
thgsr08 wrote:Drama Queens. These people should fly on JJ's A321 from AEP-GRU to see what feels like to be cramped.
Can't imagine how tight is FrenchBee's A350, with 411 seats or JAL's 773 with 520 seats.
They're complaining for nothing.
However, I didn't understan why pilots are complaning for. Are they oversized? Do they need to change clothes or take a shower in it?
From now, the MAX's longest route takes no more than 3 hours and people can wait to use the toilet - unless they're oversized, as I said before, or they're looking for a spa - mostly of them don't even go to the toilet.
People complain' about everything.
N766UA wrote:American sucks and is leading the race to the bottom amongst the Legacies, but they're right when they say it's what consumers want. People will continue to buy cheap tickets, and AA will continue to make money, same as Spirit and F9 and everyone else who people hate yet somehow turn record profits. It's an abusive, codependent relationship and it's become the status quo.
TheRedBaron wrote:The race to the bottom will continue as long as Joe average wants a ridiculous cheap fare...
Brickell305 wrote:The issue is that people aren't getting Spirit prices on American.
Brickell305 wrote:Furthermore, American appears to be planning to deploy the 7M8 on international routes as a replacement to the 757. Destinations such as POS, BGI, UIO, LIM already either have the 7M8 or will have it. BOG is also a possibility. These aren't low cost, discount bargain basement routes where AA would be justified in sending this type of product. They all have relatively strong business or high end leisure demand (in the case of BGI). There is no excuse for this.
Planeyguy wrote:Is this a problem on the American or Boeing? Do other 737s also have this problem?
Brickell305 wrote:thgsr08 wrote:Drama Queens. These people should fly on JJ's A321 from AEP-GRU to see what feels like to be cramped.
Can't imagine how tight is FrenchBee's A350, with 411 seats or JAL's 773 with 520 seats.
They're complaining for nothing.
However, I didn't understan why pilots are complaning for. Are they oversized? Do they need to change clothes or take a shower in it?
From now, the MAX's longest route takes no more than 3 hours and people can wait to use the toilet - unless they're oversized, as I said before, or they're looking for a spa - mostly of them don't even go to the toilet.
People complain' about everything.
Why even have a toilet on the plane right? Just have everyone hold it until arrival.
sagechan wrote:Buy an MCE or a First seat problem solved.
commavia wrote:Brickell305 wrote:The issue is that people aren't getting Spirit prices on American.
Well of course not, because many customers - including those flying on basic economy fares - still derive value from things on AA that are either unavailable or cost extra money on Spirit.Brickell305 wrote:Furthermore, American appears to be planning to deploy the 7M8 on international routes as a replacement to the 757. Destinations such as POS, BGI, UIO, LIM already either have the 7M8 or will have it. BOG is also a possibility. These aren't low cost, discount bargain basement routes where AA would be justified in sending this type of product. They all have relatively strong business or high end leisure demand (in the case of BGI). There is no excuse for this.
AA is free to fly its aircraft wherever it is permitted to do so pursuant to legal and regulatory restriction. It's up to consumers to decide whether the aircraft is appropriate or acceptable in the market. If the answer is no, then AA will adjust accordingly.
In the meantime, is it seriously necessary to rehash this outrage over and over and over?
kbmiflyer wrote:I have been a loyal AA flyer since 1998, making Gold most years. I can honestly say the move to this configuration of the 737-800 has me seriously thinking moving by business to Delta.
kbmiflyer wrote:I have been a loyal AA flyer since 1998, making Gold most years. I can honestly say the move to this configuration of the 737-800 has me seriously thinking moving by business to Delta.
kbmiflyer wrote:I have been a loyal AA flyer since 1998, making Gold most years. I can honestly say the move to this configuration of the 737-800 has me seriously thinking moving by business to Delta.