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NZ1 wrote:Here’s the link to the new Air NZ Antarctic safety video:
Kiwirob wrote:Can’t see any reason why anyone could have an issue with this one. A really good video.
NZ6 wrote:Any criticism re the use of Antarctica now the video is published?
mariner wrote:I'm pleased to see the safety video ... a part of me feels that Antarctica is no longer off-limits to NZ.
planemanofnz wrote:I assume you mean no longer off-limits in terms of discourse, as opposed to anything further, like commercialised flights?
planemanofnz wrote:If I were to pick out something with the video that I think could be changed, it would be the lacking of 'Brand New Zealand':
- Actor: Why Adrian Grenier, and not one of our own local New Zealander actors-turned-environmentalists, like Sam Neil?
mariner wrote:Perhaps Sam Neil was busy?
planemanofnz wrote:Then find another New Zealander fit to feature in the video - there are heaps who have been involved in environmentalism, like Cliff Curtis, Keisha Castle Hughes, Lucy Lawless, and various others.
planemanofnz wrote:Following the critical Stuff.co.nz article posted above, the New Zealand Herald has now also posted a critical piece on the new video:
"This is a rare and very distasteful mis-step on the marketing front for an airline that usually manages its messages very well."
See: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/travel/news/a ... d=12004471.
Notably, the poll in the article showed that a majority of readers support the video being shot in Antarctica, in line with other feedback.
Cheers,
C.
mariner wrote:I'm all in favour of locals being employed, but - for my money - the fact that Mr. Grenier is a UN Ambassador for the Environment adds to his credentials for this video in this location.
planemanofnz wrote:mariner wrote:I'm all in favour of locals being employed, but - for my money - the fact that Mr. Grenier is a UN Ambassador for the Environment adds to his credentials for this video in this location.
Perhaps, but he's done no work in Antarctica or New Zealand, so to hold up his credentials for a video set in "this location", IMHO, is questionable. Also, he was only appointed to his role in 2017 - relying on the role as justification holds less weight than for others.
Separately, NZ had also said that "Minimising any potential environmental impact of the shoot was a key priority" - IMHO, using an individual based in New Zealand to lead the video would have been much more aligned with this (with a lower overall carbon footprint).
Cheers,
C.
planemanofnz wrote:mariner wrote:I'm all in favour of locals being employed, but - for my money - the fact that Mr. Grenier is a UN Ambassador for the Environment adds to his credentials for this video in this location.
Perhaps, but he's done no work in Antarctica or New Zealand, so to hold up his credentials for a video set in "this location", IMHO, is questionable. Also, he was only appointed to his role in 2017 - relying on the role as justification holds less weight than for others.
Separately, NZ had also said that "Minimising any potential environmental impact of the shoot was a key priority" - IMHO, using an individual based in New Zealand to lead the video would have been much more aligned with this (with a lower overall carbon footprint).
mariner wrote:As I said - each to their own.
Gasman wrote:planemanofnz wrote:Following the critical Stuff.co.nz article posted above, the New Zealand Herald has now also posted a critical piece on the new video:
"This is a rare and very distasteful mis-step on the marketing front for an airline that usually manages its messages very well."
See: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/travel/news/a ... d=12004471.
Notably, the poll in the article showed that a majority of readers support the video being shot in Antarctica, in line with other feedback.
Cheers,
C.
This time the Herald got it right. I completely agree.
The message this video will send to the Erebus families is clear. "Ok, so one of our pilots flew your loved one into the ground; but it was nearly 40 years ago and we at NZ have decreed it's time you moved on. So here's a light hearted (but informative!) safety video featuring the place where it all happened".
It reeks of arrogance. Air New Zealand should be the very, very last people to assume the Erebus families have forgiven and healed.
planemanofnz wrote:"... the way he says "Antarctica" is gonna drive me INSANE"
VirginFlyer wrote:Speaking of Hollywood, I wonder if the regular use of American actors has anything to do with NZ's niche as the airline of choice from LA to London for the B-list set?
VirginFlyer wrote:Would you be equally opposed to a safety video filmed in the North Island (there's been at least one) because an NAC DC-3 crashed in the Kaimai Ranges (a mountain range in the North Island) 55 years ago, with the loss of 23 lives? Or perhaps only Waikato and Bay of Plenty should be off limits? If we are being region specific, you would need to add Auckland to your video-ban, since it has been the site of Air New Zealand's other fatal accidents, with a DC-8 and an F27.
Astrojet727 wrote:Hopefully this is an easy one for you all: I just got a diecast Air New Zealand 777-200ER with the registration ZK-DKG. I see that all current ANZ 777-200ER registrations start with ZK-OKx. What as DKG re-registered as? Did they simply change the D to an O?
http://cdn.feeyo.com/pic/20090109/20090 ... 115235.jpg
Astrojet727 wrote:Hopefully this is an easy one for you all: I just got a diecast Air New Zealand 777-200ER with the registration ZK-DKG. I see that all current ANZ 777-200ER registrations start with ZK-OKx. What as DKG re-registered as? Did they simply change the D to an O?
http://cdn.feeyo.com/pic/20090109/20090 ... 115235.jpg
A350OZ wrote:But granted I wasn't affected by the Erebus crash, I wasn't even born then.
Gasman wrote:A350OZ wrote:But granted I wasn't affected by the Erebus crash, I wasn't even born then.
........... which kind of nullifies everything else you said.
planemanofnz wrote:If I were to pick out something with the video that I think could be changed, it would be the lacking of 'Brand New Zealand':
- Actor: Why Adrian Grenier, and not one of our own local New Zealander actors-turned-environmentalists, like Sam Neil?
- Music: Why UK group Keane's "Somewhere Only We Know", and not local Grammy successes Brooke Fraser or Lorde?mariner wrote:I'm pleased to see the safety video ... a part of me feels that Antarctica is no longer off-limits to NZ.
I assume you mean no longer off-limits in terms of discourse, as opposed to anything further, like commercialised flights?
Cheers,
C.
planemanofnz wrote:mariner wrote:I'm all in favour of locals being employed, but - for my money - the fact that Mr. Grenier is a UN Ambassador for the Environment adds to his credentials for this video in this location.
Perhaps, but he's done no work in Antarctica or New Zealand, so to hold up his credentials for a video set in "this location", IMHO, is questionable. Also, he was only appointed to his role in 2017 - relying on the role as justification holds less weight than for others.
Separately, NZ had also said that "Minimising any potential environmental impact of the shoot was a key priority" - IMHO, using an individual based in New Zealand to lead the video would have been much more aligned with this (with a lower overall carbon footprint).
Cheers,
C.
planemanofnz wrote:NZ had also said that "Minimising any potential environmental impact of the shoot was a key priority" - IMHO, using an individual based in New Zealand to lead the video would have been much more aligned with this (with a lower overall carbon footprint).
A350OZ wrote:They are not promoting to fly to Antarctica, they are promoting a global environmental initiative, as they should.
VirginFlyer wrote:I'm pretty sure Mt Erebus and its immediate surrounds weren't highlighted in the video.
planemanofnz wrote:Does anyone know what forced the steep decline from CV? Less fleet to spare, given WAG?
planemanofnz wrote:Ironically, while the video attempts to promote conservation efforts, it may only encourage more people to visit there.
"This video is very poor taste and it sends the worst message about protecting Antarctica. It's a unique continent, and its not the next recreational playground."
mariner wrote:Mr. Pugh would be better shouting at Qantas who actually have tourist flights over Antarctica ...
planemanofnz wrote:mariner wrote:Mr. Pugh would be better shouting at Qantas who actually have tourist flights over Antarctica ...
As VirginFlyer pointed out previously, the flights from Australia are marketed by a travel agency from Victoria, Croydon Travel, under a brand-name "Antarctica Flights". They charter each flight from QF, who obviously are quite intimately involved with the process, but it would be incorrect to regard this as a QF initiative.
planemanofnz wrote:A350OZ wrote:They are not promoting to fly to Antarctica, they are promoting a global environmental initiative, as they should.
There is a valid argument that the video "portrays Antarctica as the next great adventure playground", which it is not.
Ironically, while the video attempts to promote conservation efforts, it may only encourage more people to visit there.
She said members of the Australia-New Zealand Leadership Forum had raised the matter with her.
Ms Ardern said she would be asking Statistics Minister James Shaw and Customs Minister Meka Whaitiri to start moves on it.
She had already talked to them about removing what she called this "bugbear".
Gasman wrote:VirginFlyer wrote:Would you be equally opposed to a safety video filmed in the North Island (there's been at least one) because an NAC DC-3 crashed in the Kaimai Ranges (a mountain range in the North Island) 55 years ago, with the loss of 23 lives? Or perhaps only Waikato and Bay of Plenty should be off limits? If we are being region specific, you would need to add Auckland to your video-ban, since it has been the site of Air New Zealand's other fatal accidents, with a DC-8 and an F27.
They are all ludicrous analogies. A better one would be KLM filming a safety video in Tenerife. And yes, I'd oppose that too.
There are some for whom the mere mention of Air New Zealand and Antarctica in the same sentence will cut like a knife. It wasn't necessary to make this video. But I'm less opposed to the video itself than I am the fact that NZ decided it was okay for them to produce it.
Kiwirob wrote:Out of the nearly 5 million people living in NZ well over half of them wouldn't have any knowledge of the incident ...
planemanofnz wrote:I note that the critical journalism of the video has gone global - one article in particular was re-published many times across Australia:
- http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-up ... dcc964cae3.
- https://www.gladstoneobserver.com.au/ne ... v/3350779/.
- https://m.northernstar.com.au/news/outr ... v/3350779/.
- https://www.dailyexaminer.com.au/news/o ... v/3350779/.
- http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/outrag ... dcc964cae3.
- https://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/n ... v/3350779/.
- https://www.warwickdailynews.com.au/new ... v/3350779/.
- https://www.dailymercury.com.au/news/ou ... v/3350779/.
Such articles were also posted in non-NZ served countries, like South Africa - see: https://www.algoafm.co.za/article/globa ... ive-watch-.
That being said, most readers have responded negatively to these articles - see the Courier Mail's Facebook comments, for example:
- "there isnt 1 thing controversial about it."
- "Really?? Outraged over F all. Get a life."
- "Weekend interns have started their shift.".
Kiwirob wrote:Out of the nearly 5 million people living in NZ well over half of them wouldn't have any knowledge of the incident and the numbers who it would cut like a knife probably wouldn't fill a highschool gym.