Upstate New York Thread - 2018

tkoenig95 · Wed Nov 14, 2018 10:30 pm

How is the F9 BUF-AUS segment doing? 2x per week has been running since the spring expansion, and it doesn't seem to be going away in the winter.

Buffalomatt1027 · Fri Nov 16, 2018 6:09 pm

Non-Stop daily Denver Flights for Southwest starting June 9th.

Frontier now has competition for this route.

Buffalomatt1027 · Fri Nov 16, 2018 6:18 pm

tkoenig95 wrote:
How is the F9 BUF-AUS segment doing? 2x per week has been running since the spring expansion, and it doesn't seem to be going away in the winter.

Good question .... I wish BNIA would make the passenger numbers public. I believe other airports do that.

F9LASDEN · Fri Nov 16, 2018 6:19 pm

Buffalomatt1027 wrote:
Non-Stop daily Denver Flights for Southwest starting June 9th.

Frontier now has competition for this route.

Frontier is going daily on the route next summer as well

Buffalomatt1027 · Fri Nov 16, 2018 6:35 pm

F9LASDEN wrote:
Buffalomatt1027 wrote:
Non-Stop daily Denver Flights for Southwest starting June 9th.

Frontier now has competition for this route.

Frontier is going daily on the route next summer as well

Did Frontier announce this yet? I have been waiting to see their spring schedules

F9LASDEN · Fri Nov 16, 2018 8:21 pm

Buffalomatt1027 wrote:
F9LASDEN wrote:
Buffalomatt1027 wrote:
Non-Stop daily Denver Flights for Southwest starting June 9th.

Frontier now has competition for this route.

Frontier is going daily on the route next summer as well

Did Frontier announce this yet? I have been waiting to see their spring schedules

Yep...they extended their schedule through 8/11/19 this past Tuesday (11/13).

Frontier's schedule next summer in Upstate New York looks like:

BUF:
-DEN: Daily, A320
-AUS: Gone
-MCO: 5x weekly, A321
-RDU: 2x weekly, A320
-TPA: 3x weekly, A320
-JAX: Gone

ALB:
-DEN: 3x weekly, A320
-MCO: 3x weekly, A320

SYR:
-MCO: 4x weekly, A321
-DEN: 4x weekly, A320/A321
-RDU: 4x weekly, A320/A321

maximairways · Sat Nov 17, 2018 12:42 am

F9LASDEN wrote:
Buffalomatt1027 wrote:
F9LASDEN wrote:

Frontier is going daily on the route next summer as well

Did Frontier announce this yet? I have been waiting to see their spring schedules

Yep...they extended their schedule through 8/11/19 this past Tuesday (11/13).

Frontier's schedule next summer in Upstate New York looks like:

BUF:
-DEN: Daily, A320
-AUS: Gone
-MCO: 5x weekly, A321
-RDU: 2x weekly, A320
-TPA: 3x weekly, A320
-JAX: Gone

ALB:
-DEN: 3x weekly, A320
-MCO: 3x weekly, A320

SYR:
-MCO: 4x weekly, A321
-DEN: 4x weekly, A320/A321
-RDU: 4x weekly, A320/A321

BUF-DEN is a mix of A321 and A320.

WeatherPilot · Sat Nov 17, 2018 12:57 pm

F9LASDEN wrote:
Buffalomatt1027 wrote:
F9LASDEN wrote:

Frontier is going daily on the route next summer as well

Did Frontier announce this yet? I have been waiting to see their spring schedules

Yep...they extended their schedule through 8/11/19 this past Tuesday (11/13).

Frontier's schedule next summer in Upstate New York looks like:

BUF:
-DEN: Daily, A320
-AUS: Gone
-MCO: 5x weekly, A321
-RDU: 2x weekly, A320
-TPA: 3x weekly, A320
-JAX: Gone

ALB:
-DEN: 3x weekly, A320
-MCO: 3x weekly, A320

SYR:
-MCO: 4x weekly, A321
-DEN: 4x weekly, A320/A321
-RDU: 4x weekly, A320/A321

F9 dumped SYR-ORD as well. Wasn’t in the schedule update.

Buffalomatt1027 · Sat Nov 17, 2018 3:35 pm

F9LASDEN wrote:
Buffalomatt1027 wrote:
F9LASDEN wrote:

Frontier is going daily on the route next summer as well

Did Frontier announce this yet? I have been waiting to see their spring schedules

Yep...they extended their schedule through 8/11/19 this past Tuesday (11/13).

Frontier's schedule next summer in Upstate New York looks like:

BUF:
-DEN: Daily, A320
-AUS: Gone
-MCO: 5x weekly, A321
-RDU: 2x weekly, A320
-TPA: 3x weekly, A320
-JAX: Gone

ALB:
-DEN: 3x weekly, A320
-MCO: 3x weekly, A320

SYR:
-MCO: 4x weekly, A321
-DEN: 4x weekly, A320/A321
-RDU: 4x weekly, A320/A321

Oh wow I missed that! Thank you for the update! I figured JAX and AUS were going to be short lived.

and wow A321 for all Orlando flights. That's great news! That route for WN, F9, and jet blue must make a killing.

I noticed that AA is sending their A321 twice a day in the mornings.

rocANDtpa · Sat Nov 17, 2018 5:39 pm

ROC will see an AA 321 in February once a week for a Friday RON.

WeatherPilot · Sat Nov 17, 2018 7:33 pm

rocANDtpa wrote:
ROC will see an AA 321 in February once a week for a Friday RON.

Same For SYR.

jworks158 · Sat Nov 17, 2018 8:11 pm

rocANDtpa wrote:
ROC will see an AA 321 in February once a week for a Friday RON.

Wow that's quite the upgage from an E170 or CR9. Is this the first time ROC has received scheduled A321 service? Will there be an A319 on the other days?

rocANDtpa · Sat Nov 17, 2018 9:24 pm

jworks158 wrote:
rocANDtpa wrote:
ROC will see an AA 321 in February once a week for a Friday RON.

Wow that's quite the upgage from an E170 or CR9. Is this the first time ROC has received scheduled A321 service? Will there be an A319 on the other days?

Looks like there is a 319 midday turn the other days.

jworks158 · Sun Nov 18, 2018 3:59 pm

Buffalomatt1027 wrote:
tkoenig95 wrote:
How is the F9 BUF-AUS segment doing? 2x per week has been running since the spring expansion, and it doesn't seem to be going away in the winter.

Good question .... I wish BNIA would make the passenger numbers public. I believe other airports do that.

So @VS4ever does some fantastic analysis of statistics in the Boston Aviation thread. I believe they use federal numbers but i am not sure, if your interested I would reach out to them to find out more information.

DCA-ROCguy · Mon Nov 19, 2018 12:10 am

jworks158 wrote:
jworks158 wrote:
Governor Cuomo is currently at the Grand Opening of "The New Rochester Airport"
https://twitter.com/News_8/status/1057649825167093761
https://twitter.com/ROCAirport/status/1 ... 5180634112
I will be heading over their later to see the last AC flight, but I will also report back on the final renovation updates!

Sorry it took so long, but I have compiled all of my pictures and videos from today into a thread of 8 tweets.
These include images of C-GORN arriving Rwy 22. Continuing on to show a video of startup, and taxi of AC7291.
It continues to highlight the canopy and the new arrivals area. I can't believe the progress they made in the last two weeks! However that's not to say there isn't a little bit of work left. Lastly I have linked to Cheryl Difinolo's twitter page which posted images of the strong museum of play exhibits.
https://twitter.com/theOrangetechie/sta ... 8863292419

Thank you for getting the pictures and video! I'm flying to Rochester this week. I'll get photos of current status when I'm there.

Jim

United_fan · Mon Nov 19, 2018 12:58 pm

jworks158 wrote:
rocANDtpa wrote:
ROC will see an AA 321 in February once a week for a Friday RON.

Wow that's quite the upgage from an E170 or CR9. Is this the first time ROC has received scheduled A321 service? Will there be an A319 on the other days?

Probably 10 years ago,USAirways had mainline A321's to PHL.

Buffalomatt1027 · Mon Nov 19, 2018 9:35 pm

maximairways wrote:
F9LASDEN wrote:
Buffalomatt1027 wrote:

Did Frontier announce this yet? I have been waiting to see their spring schedules

Yep...they extended their schedule through 8/11/19 this past Tuesday (11/13).

Frontier's schedule next summer in Upstate New York looks like:

BUF:
-DEN: Daily, A320
-AUS: Gone
-MCO: 5x weekly, A321
-RDU: 2x weekly, A320
-TPA: 3x weekly, A320
-JAX: Gone

ALB:
-DEN: 3x weekly, A320
-MCO: 3x weekly, A320

SYR:
-MCO: 4x weekly, A321
-DEN: 4x weekly, A320/A321
-RDU: 4x weekly, A320/A321

BUF-DEN is a mix of A321 and A320.

Thats good news .... definitely nice to see some bigger planes being used by AA and Frontier with the A321s.

I think its a sign that F9 with AUS and JAX were not as popular as they thought they would be ..... so they wont give BNIA anymore random routes and see if they work. Still shocked they didnt go back to Miami though.

Buffalomatt1027 · Mon Nov 19, 2018 9:37 pm

jworks158 wrote:
Buffalomatt1027 wrote:
tkoenig95 wrote:
How is the F9 BUF-AUS segment doing? 2x per week has been running since the spring expansion, and it doesn't seem to be going away in the winter.

Good question .... I wish BNIA would make the passenger numbers public. I believe other airports do that.

So @VS4ever does some fantastic analysis of statistics in the Boston Aviation thread. I believe they use federal numbers but i am not sure, if your interested I would reach out to them to find out more information.

I forgot what thread .... but I did look up BNIA for July. It showed an 100,000 passenger increase for july. But I looked back the rest of the months and it didnt show anything.

jworks158 · Tue Nov 20, 2018 3:10 pm

FYI Spotter Alert From JetTip.net for the only B6 Special livery
"ROC: Blueprint (Low Priority, Special Livery, E190, N304JB, JBU486) in Tue 11:58P, out 5:40A"
https://jettip.net/airport/kroc/18217983

Buffalomatt1027 · Wed Nov 28, 2018 4:00 am

The Buffalo airport twitter account tweeted today that Terminal construction will start next month ..... the final renderings will be released soon.

I am assuming that this expansion was the one announced last year?

https://buffalonews.com/2017/01/27/airp ... t-project/

DCA-ROCguy · Wed Nov 28, 2018 4:33 am

Buffalomatt1027 wrote:
The Buffalo airport twitter account tweeted today that Terminal construction will start next month ..... the final renderings will be released soon. I am assuming that this expansion was the one announced last year?
https://buffalonews.com/2017/01/27/airp ... t-project/

Good for BUF! These sound like sensible improvements and expansions that won't burden CPE and will help the airport do its job even better. BUF's approach to arriving passengers makes more sense than ROC's new flow pattern, in my view.

ROC had a setup like BUF is about to build, where arriving pax immediately exited the secured area after exiting their concourse. Departing and arriving pax were separated, much like the renovation that was done at PVD. Now, ROC arriving passengers have to go back through the food court and through departing passengers for the new central exit escalators.

Jim

DCA-ROCguy · Wed Nov 28, 2018 4:36 am

Back to DC today. Here are photos from ROC that I took on my departing trip today. Whether much of the renovation was needed, it certainly looks nice. My first thought was, they made the airport interior look like a giant Starbucks. Which isn't a criticism. And it was certainly nice to get out of the Uber car under a full canopy.

Jim

ROC 2018 11-27 Completed Upper Canopy by jimkruggel, on Flickr

ROC 2018 11-27 Remodeled West Food Court by jimkruggel, on Flickr

DCA-ROCguy · Wed Nov 28, 2018 4:37 am

ROC 2018 11-27 Expanded West Atrium Seating Area by jimkruggel, on Flickr

ROC 2018 11-27 Remodeled Gates B8-B11 Area by jimkruggel, on Flickr

DCA-ROCguy · Wed Nov 28, 2018 4:38 am

ROC 2018 11-27 Remodeled Concourse B B1-B6 by jimkruggel, on Flickr

ROC 2018 11-27 B Concourse New Strong Museum Video Games Area by jimkruggel, on Flickr

DCA-ROCguy · Wed Nov 28, 2018 4:40 am

ROC 2018 11-27 A Concourse New Strong Museum Play Area by jimkruggel, on Flickr

ROC 2018 11-27 Soggy Ramp Action Southwest 737-800 N8626B by jimkruggel, on Flickr

ROC 2018 11-27 Southwest 737-800 N8626B by jimkruggel, on Flickr

jworks158 · Wed Nov 28, 2018 4:43 pm

Buffalo Airport Just tweeted, that it received the #1 JD Power award for customer satisfaction among medium sized airports in North America!

It may not be a Super Bowl ring or the Stanley Cup but #Buffalo is now home to the J.D. Power award. We ranked #1 in customer satisfaction among medium sized airports in North America.

https://twitter.com/BUFAirport/status/1 ... 0642296833

teneriffe77 · Thu Nov 29, 2018 3:11 am

Speaking of airport renovations, someone recently posted this video of SYR renovations to Youtube and it has some footage of the aviation exhibit I was involved with.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1Kbalzfw-Y

SyracuseAvGeek · Fri Nov 30, 2018 2:03 am

Does anyone know or can find out the situation of the observation area? Specifically the small hill where the picnic tables usually sit.

Buffalomatt1027 · Fri Nov 30, 2018 3:48 am

DCA-ROCguy wrote:
Buffalomatt1027 wrote:
The Buffalo airport twitter account tweeted today that Terminal construction will start next month ..... the final renderings will be released soon. I am assuming that this expansion was the one announced last year?
https://buffalonews.com/2017/01/27/airp ... t-project/

Good for BUF! These sound like sensible improvements and expansions that won't burden CPE and will help the airport do its job even better. BUF's approach to arriving passengers makes more sense than ROC's new flow pattern, in my view.

ROC had a setup like BUF is about to build, where arriving pax immediately exited the secured area after exiting their concourse. Departing and arriving pax were separated, much like the renovation that was done at PVD. Now, ROC arriving passengers have to go back through the food court and through departing passengers for the new central exit escalators.

Jim

Yeah I think these are just general updates that were eventually needed. Like a new / updated baggage claim was definitely needed for BNIA.

cosyr · Fri Nov 30, 2018 1:51 pm

SyracuseAvGeek wrote:
Does anyone know or can find out the situation of the observation area? Specifically the small hill where the picnic tables usually sit.

I don't know what you mean by the situation, but I have used it recently, even before construction was done, so I assume nothing has changed post construction. I would think now that cars can use the normal drop off/pick up area, it would just be quieter and more pleasant to watch planes there now, although even before construction, they were also selling that area as a cell phone lot.

SyracuseAvGeek · Fri Nov 30, 2018 4:17 pm

cosyr wrote:
SyracuseAvGeek wrote:
Does anyone know or can find out the situation of the observation area? Specifically the small hill where the picnic tables usually sit.

I don't know what you mean by the situation, but I have used it recently, even before construction was done, so I assume nothing has changed post construction. I would think now that cars can use the normal drop off/pick up area, it would just be quieter and more pleasant to watch planes there now, although even before construction, they were also selling that area as a cell phone lot.

Recently (two months ago) they put up a fence around the hill in the observation area

DCA-ROCguy · Fri Nov 30, 2018 4:34 pm

teneriffe77 wrote:
Speaking of airport renovations, someone recently posted this video of SYR renovations to Youtube and it has some footage of the aviation exhibit I was involved with.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1Kbalzfw-Y

Good video. SYR's renovations look really nice.

It's too bad they didn't keep the historic early 60's crenelated central building facade in some way, but the new design looks clean and contemporary.

Jim

DCA-ROCguy · Fri Nov 30, 2018 5:29 pm

Emergency landing at ROC yesterday due to possible bird strike. An American (Envoy) EMB-135 had to return after departing for Boston. 41 aboard. The plane returned and landed without incident, 14 minutes after departure.

Jim

https://www.democratandchronicle.com/st ... 150967002/

sbaflyer · Fri Nov 30, 2018 6:08 pm

DCA-ROCguy wrote:
teneriffe77 wrote:
Speaking of airport renovations, someone recently posted this video of SYR renovations to Youtube and it has some footage of the aviation exhibit I was involved with.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1Kbalzfw-Y

Good video. SYR's renovations look really nice.

It's too bad they didn't keep the historic early 60's crenelated central building facade in some way, but the new design looks clean and contemporary.

Jim

Unfortunately, they didn't do much with the actual gate areas. they have new flooring and seating, but still has the low ceilings and old signage.

teneriffe77 · Fri Nov 30, 2018 11:49 pm

As far as SYR's gate areas go they're not bad and more seating was added and some walls have been removed. Also those gate areas were built above the original ones which are now used for offices and raising the roof in the gate areas would have added a ton to the cost which is probably why they didn't do it. As far as the observation area goes the fenced area is where they put some solar panels and the parking area is still the same so not much has changed.

Buffalomatt1027 · Sat Dec 08, 2018 8:44 pm

https://buffalonews.com/2018/12/08/airp ... ng-easier/

Buffalo airport is ready for renovations! Starting December 18th! If you click the link, the airport I think is adding 2 gates ... even though the story doesnt mention it. Its highlighted in the blue on the right hand side. Right now, BNIA doesnt have any gates faced in the direction that the renderings show.

BUFJACK10 · Sun Dec 09, 2018 12:50 am

Buffalomatt1027 wrote:
https://buffalonews.com/2018/12/08/airports-80-million-upgrade-begins-dec-18-to-make-flying-easier/

Buffalo airport is ready for renovations! Starting December 18th! If you click the link, the airport I think is adding 2 gates ... even though the story doesnt mention it. Its highlighted in the blue on the right hand side. Right now, BNIA doesnt have any gates faced in the direction that the renderings show.

The sustainable master plan report that is on the BNIA website indicates that a new concourse south of the west wing where they currently park RON aircraft could evenually be built. Obviously they are planning ahead but any new gates as far as I know are not a part of this expansion, correct me if I'm wrong. The report is a few years old so who knows if a revised version has been prepared.

WeatherPilot · Sun Dec 09, 2018 12:55 am

Buffalomatt1027 wrote:
https://buffalonews.com/2018/12/08/airports-80-million-upgrade-begins-dec-18-to-make-flying-easier/

Buffalo airport is ready for renovations! Starting December 18th! If you click the link, the airport I think is adding 2 gates ... even though the story doesnt mention it. Its highlighted in the blue on the right hand side. Right now, BNIA doesnt have any gates faced in the direction that the renderings show.

If you're talking about the grey rectangles that give the impression of a doorway for a jetbridge I don't think that's what it is. If you look at the renedering you can see the footers for the floor going in above around the grey rectangles. So they aren't anywhere near an outside wall. I doubt there is any plan to build new gates because it no doubt would have been mentioned.

BUFJACK10 · Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:27 am

BUFJACK10 wrote:
Buffalomatt1027 wrote:
https://buffalonews.com/2018/12/08/airports-80-million-upgrade-begins-dec-18-to-make-flying-easier/

Buffalo airport is ready for renovations! Starting December 18th! If you click the link, the airport I think is adding 2 gates ... even though the story doesnt mention it. Its highlighted in the blue on the right hand side. Right now, BNIA doesnt have any gates faced in the direction that the renderings show.

The sustainable master plan report that is on the BNIA website indicates that a new concourse south of the west wing where they currently park RON aircraft could evenually be built. Obviously they are planning ahead but any new gates as far as I know are not a part of this expansion, correct me if I'm wrong. The report is a few years old so who knows if a revised version has been prepared.

I apologize, I meant the east wing

Buffalomatt1027 · Sun Dec 09, 2018 5:40 am

WeatherPilot wrote:
Buffalomatt1027 wrote:
https://buffalonews.com/2018/12/08/airports-80-million-upgrade-begins-dec-18-to-make-flying-easier/

Buffalo airport is ready for renovations! Starting December 18th! If you click the link, the airport I think is adding 2 gates ... even though the story doesnt mention it. Its highlighted in the blue on the right hand side. Right now, BNIA doesnt have any gates faced in the direction that the renderings show.

If you're talking about the grey rectangles that give the impression of a doorway for a jetbridge I don't think that's what it is. If you look at the renedering you can see the footers for the floor going in above around the grey rectangles. So they aren't anywhere near an outside wall. I doubt there is any plan to build new gates because it no doubt would have been mentioned.

ahh gotcha.... my bad. they did look like jetbridges.

Buffalomatt1027 · Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:52 pm

BUFJACK10 wrote:
BUFJACK10 wrote:
Buffalomatt1027 wrote:
https://buffalonews.com/2018/12/08/airports-80-million-upgrade-begins-dec-18-to-make-flying-easier/

Buffalo airport is ready for renovations! Starting December 18th! If you click the link, the airport I think is adding 2 gates ... even though the story doesnt mention it. Its highlighted in the blue on the right hand side. Right now, BNIA doesnt have any gates faced in the direction that the renderings show.

The sustainable master plan report that is on the BNIA website indicates that a new concourse south of the west wing where they currently park RON aircraft could evenually be built. Obviously they are planning ahead but any new gates as far as I know are not a part of this expansion, correct me if I'm wrong. The report is a few years old so who knows if a revised version has been prepared.

I apologize, I meant the east wing

Yeah, I saw the expansion photos from the website. You are correct about that. The rendering just looked like gates, when in reality they werent.

And I agree they dont need the gates right now. The current airport gates wise isnt maxed out.

The article about the expansion did mention they were over 5 million passengers already! Which you can thank F9 for that. If by years end BNIA could get up to 5.5 million. That would be a huge win for the airport.

maximairways · Sun Dec 09, 2018 2:53 pm

From BTS's T-100 segment database, these are the top 10 airlines at BUF for Jan-Aug 2018.

CARRIER_NAME PASSENGERS Percentage
Southwest Airlines Co. 1069949 31.37%
JetBlue Airways 545362 15.99%
Delta Air Lines Inc. 377479 11.07%
Republic Airline 235222 6.90%
Endeavor Air Inc. 232027 6.80%
American Airlines Inc. 183804 5.39%
Frontier Airlines Inc. 169029 4.96%
SkyWest Airlines Inc. 102827 3.02%
United Air Lines Inc. 98112 2.88%
GoJet Airlines LLC d/b/a United Express 77479 2.27%

Quick notes comparing to 2017
Republic's usage is way up, American is up a bit, Frontier has captured a good chunk of the market, United mainline is up, GoJet usage is way up, Envoy has fallen quite a bit.

Buffalomatt1027 · Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:54 pm

maximairways wrote:
From BTS's T-100 segment database, these are the top 10 airlines at BUF for Jan-Aug 2018.

CARRIER_NAME PASSENGERS Percentage
Southwest Airlines Co. 1069949 31.37%
JetBlue Airways 545362 15.99%
Delta Air Lines Inc. 377479 11.07%
Republic Airline 235222 6.90%
Endeavor Air Inc. 232027 6.80%
American Airlines Inc. 183804 5.39%
Frontier Airlines Inc. 169029 4.96%
SkyWest Airlines Inc. 102827 3.02%
United Air Lines Inc. 98112 2.88%
GoJet Airlines LLC d/b/a United Express 77479 2.27%

Quick notes comparing to 2017
Republic's usage is way up, American is up a bit, Frontier has captured a good chunk of the market, United mainline is up, GoJet usage is way up, Envoy has fallen quite a bit.

All airline stats seem to make sense. Southwest and Jetblue leading the way ..... The Legacy carrier never seem to expand their routes out of BNIA. (Yes, I know AA has added seasonal Miami for the spring and adding DFW. )

United and Delta, I honestly cant think of a seasonal or added route in recent memory.

Frontier will always be a wildcard. Due to them changing routes every few months. (It seems like)

Buffalomatt1027 · Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:09 am

https://www.wgrz.com/article/news/local ... -622285923

another link to the BNIA expansion ....... it has renderings included. The renderings are interesting. The Departure East renderings are sort of confusing. I dont get the concept. Many passengers just go through security and go to their gates. The departure east rendering wants you to go up an escalator and go into a giant room to hang out. I dont see much use for it.

BUFJACK10 · Mon Dec 10, 2018 1:01 am

Buffalomatt1027 wrote:
maximairways wrote:
From BTS's T-100 segment database, these are the top 10 airlines at BUF for Jan-Aug 2018.

CARRIER_NAME PASSENGERS Percentage
Southwest Airlines Co. 1069949 31.37%
JetBlue Airways 545362 15.99%
Delta Air Lines Inc. 377479 11.07%
Republic Airline 235222 6.90%
Endeavor Air Inc. 232027 6.80%
American Airlines Inc. 183804 5.39%
Frontier Airlines Inc. 169029 4.96%
SkyWest Airlines Inc. 102827 3.02%
United Air Lines Inc. 98112 2.88%
GoJet Airlines LLC d/b/a United Express 77479 2.27%

Quick notes comparing to 2017
Republic's usage is way up, American is up a bit, Frontier has captured a good chunk of the market, United mainline is up, GoJet usage is way up, Envoy has fallen quite a bit.

All airline stats seem to make sense. Southwest and Jetblue leading the way ..... The Legacy carrier never seem to expand their routes out of BNIA. (Yes, I know AA has added seasonal Miami for the spring and adding DFW. )

United and Delta, I honestly cant think of a seasonal or added route in recent memory.

Frontier will always be a wildcard. Due to them changing routes every few months. (It seems like)

This is interesting and just indicative of the changes in air travel over the years. At one time American was the dominating carrier at BUF with a pilot and a flight attendant base. Now it is just a shadow of what it was and is also indicative of a different philosophy and travel patterns. Thanks for posting it.

http://www.departedflights.com/AA033069p6.html

cosyr · Mon Dec 10, 2018 1:40 am

Buffalomatt1027 wrote:
https://www.wgrz.com/article/news/local/80-million-upgrade-coming-to-buffalo-niagara-international-airport/71-622285923

another link to the BNIA expansion ....... it has renderings included. The renderings are interesting. The Departure East renderings are sort of confusing. I dont get the concept. Many passengers just go through security and go to their gates. The departure east rendering wants you to go up an escalator and go into a giant room to hang out. I dont see much use for it.

It is only called Departures level east, because it is upstairs, not down. It is actually for arrivals. The big room is for people waiting for arriving passengers. Security will be in the center where it is now, but arrivals will come through new hallways on the east and west sides of the existing main terminal.

Buffalomatt1027 · Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:35 am

cosyr wrote:
Buffalomatt1027 wrote:
https://www.wgrz.com/article/news/local/80-million-upgrade-coming-to-buffalo-niagara-international-airport/71-622285923

another link to the BNIA expansion ....... it has renderings included. The renderings are interesting. The Departure East renderings are sort of confusing. I dont get the concept. Many passengers just go through security and go to their gates. The departure east rendering wants you to go up an escalator and go into a giant room to hang out. I dont see much use for it.

It is only called Departures level east, because it is upstairs, not down. It is actually for arrivals. The big room is for people waiting for arriving passengers. Security will be in the center where it is now, but arrivals will come through new hallways on the east and west sides of the existing main terminal.

Ahh that makes sense. So instead of families clogging up the center of the terminal near security. They will be waiting in the departure level.

Buffalomatt1027 · Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:37 am

BUFJACK10 wrote:
Buffalomatt1027 wrote:
maximairways wrote:
From BTS's T-100 segment database, these are the top 10 airlines at BUF for Jan-Aug 2018.

CARRIER_NAME PASSENGERS Percentage
Southwest Airlines Co. 1069949 31.37%
JetBlue Airways 545362 15.99%
Delta Air Lines Inc. 377479 11.07%
Republic Airline 235222 6.90%
Endeavor Air Inc. 232027 6.80%
American Airlines Inc. 183804 5.39%
Frontier Airlines Inc. 169029 4.96%
SkyWest Airlines Inc. 102827 3.02%
United Air Lines Inc. 98112 2.88%
GoJet Airlines LLC d/b/a United Express 77479 2.27%

Quick notes comparing to 2017
Republic's usage is way up, American is up a bit, Frontier has captured a good chunk of the market, United mainline is up, GoJet usage is way up, Envoy has fallen quite a bit.

All airline stats seem to make sense. Southwest and Jetblue leading the way ..... The Legacy carrier never seem to expand their routes out of BNIA. (Yes, I know AA has added seasonal Miami for the spring and adding DFW. )

United and Delta, I honestly cant think of a seasonal or added route in recent memory.

Frontier will always be a wildcard. Due to them changing routes every few months. (It seems like)

This is interesting and just indicative of the changes in air travel over the years. At one time American was the dominating carrier at BUF with a pilot and a flight attendant base. Now it is just a shadow of what it was and is also indicative of a different philosophy and travel patterns. Thanks for posting it.

http://www.departedflights.com/AA033069p6.html

American Airlines is starting to come around ..... more than United or Delta. Dallas and Miami (seasonal) seems to be a start. Also getting a321 service a couple times in the morning to Charlotte is also progress.

jworks158 · Thu Dec 13, 2018 2:13 pm

FYI JetBlue is sending two A320s to ROC today one arriving in the 3pm hour and one at midnight

SyracuseAvGeek · Thu Dec 13, 2018 2:15 pm

jworks158 wrote:
FYI JetBlue is sending two A320s to ROC today one arriving in the 3pm hour and one at midnight

They do the same for SYR, once in a while (at least once a week) they will sub in a A320 for the E190 on the JFK route

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