Hilton Head/Savannah Airports Thread - 2018

Wynnster8 · Thu Feb 15, 2018 1:39 am

This is a thread to talk about HHH + SAV

Wynnster8 · Thu Feb 15, 2018 1:41 am

Frontier has announced service to PHL + DEN for $59 Fares... On the A320NEO/ A320

N126DL · Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:56 am

With the Dash 8 being done in a few weeks, wondering if the HHH runway extension will keep service.

cheapgreek · Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:23 am

N126DL wrote:
With the Dash 8 being done in a few weeks, wondering if the HHH runway extension will keep service.

Won't be the ERJ-145, but maybe the ERJ-140.

Narfish641 · Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:44 am

I wonder if there's any plans for them to build some more gates. Don't get me wrong the airport is absolutely stunning but with more passengers coming to the airport there's has to be more gates for planes. They only have 12 of them.

pbody · Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:50 am

Without some major subsidies I can't see anyone serving HHH after the Dash 8s are gone. No sympathy though, they have SAV just down the road.

cheapgreek · Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:02 pm

pbody wrote:
Without some major subsidies I can't see anyone serving HHH after the Dash 8s are gone. No sympathy though, they have SAV just down the road.

Not exactly down the road, HHH has been hampered for years by the short runway and yearly totals for some years were very good. I could see DL returning with service to ATL and AA with CLT. HHH has its own market and people prefer to land at their destination, not in another state. In the past the plan was to lengthen the runway in two stages, first to 5000 feet, then to 5400 feet. Lately no mention of the 5400 foot plan.

evank516 · Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:09 pm

The E170/175 can technically handle the runway can't it? It handles EYW from as far as ORD.

flydude380 · Thu Feb 15, 2018 6:34 pm

I love this airport along with this city the people and of course, the people that work at SAV

I remember my father was carrying out some work for Gulfstream there. So I’ve been there quite a few times when I was 14-15 years of age.

I remember when flying US Airways, I was moaning that I didn’t want to go back to the U.K. the nice ground agent at US airways said she’d change my ticket free of charge! However, there were a lack of flights and seats available

She also gave my father a boarding pass to take me to the gate

DaufuskieGuy · Thu Feb 15, 2018 6:45 pm

evank516 wrote:
The E170/175 can technically handle the runway can't it? It handles EYW from as far as ORD.

EYW doesn't have tree issues though so it's not a direct comparison. aa.com still has a page up for HHH who knows what that means...

Flighty · Thu Feb 15, 2018 6:52 pm

flydude380 wrote:
I love this airport along with this city the people and of course, the people that work at SAV

I remember my father was carrying out some work for Gulfstream there. So I’ve been there quite a few times when I was 14-15 years of age.

I remember when flying US Airways, I was moaning that I didn’t want to go back to the U.K. the nice ground agent at US airways said she’d change my ticket free of charge! However, there were a lack of flights and seats available

She also gave my father a boarding pass to take me to the gate

I knew some of the employees there. Good facility.

The HHH story is one years in the making. At the moment, it appears DH3 to HHH is loaded out through January 2019.

cheapgreek · Thu Feb 15, 2018 7:39 pm

evank516 wrote:
The E170/175 can technically handle the runway can't it? It handles EYW from as far as ORD.

There's quite a difference between the 170 & 175 as far as takeoff distances. The 170 is the best of the E series off short runways.

cheapgreek · Thu Feb 15, 2018 7:43 pm

Flighty wrote:
flydude380 wrote:
I love this airport along with this city the people and of course, the people that work at SAV

I remember my father was carrying out some work for Gulfstream there. So I’ve been there quite a few times when I was 14-15 years of age.

I remember when flying US Airways, I was moaning that I didn’t want to go back to the U.K. the nice ground agent at US airways said she’d change my ticket free of charge! However, there were a lack of flights and seats available

She also gave my father a boarding pass to take me to the gate

I knew some of the employees there. Good facility.

The HHH story is one years in the making. At the moment, it appears DH3 to HHH is loaded out through January 2019.

Beyond 4-5 months or so airlines load a filler schedule that mimics the present service. AA is showing DH3's into ROA and LYH on all flights months from now when RJ's are serving both airports now.

evank516 · Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:03 pm

cheapgreek wrote:
evank516 wrote:
The E170/175 can technically handle the runway can't it? It handles EYW from as far as ORD.

There's quite a difference between the 170 & 175 as far as takeoff distances. The 170 is the best of the E series off short runways.

Yes, however the E175 can take off from EYW and make it all the way to DCA. UA uses their E170 for EWR and ORD flights, but my guess is if an E175 can fly from EYW-DCA then they can handle HHH-CLT.

TWFlyGuy · Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:26 pm

This was discussed quite a bit recently and I thought everyone agreed that the 170/175 could do the job given the runway extension. As could the CRJ700.

DCAFlyer01 · Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:37 pm

I flew out of HHH a couple of weeks ago. Love the airport and staff. I asked about what will happen and 3 agents at the counter all said service will be continued with an RJ They didn't say what kind and I honestly don't care. I just want AA to continue to serve the market. Hopefully they are right.

pbody · Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:39 pm

cheapgreek wrote:
pbody wrote:
Without some major subsidies I can't see anyone serving HHH after the Dash 8s are gone. No sympathy though, they have SAV just down the road.

Not exactly down the road, HHH has been hampered for years by the short runway and yearly totals for some years were very good. I could see DL returning with service to ATL and AA with CLT. HHH has its own market and people prefer to land at their destination, not in another state. In the past the plan was to lengthen the runway in two stages, first to 5000 feet, then to 5400 feet. Lately no mention of the 5400 foot plan.

A lot of people would love to have an airport only 40 minutes drive away. HHH doesn't NEED its own airport.

DaufuskieGuy · Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:49 pm

pbody wrote:
cheapgreek wrote:
pbody wrote:
Without some major subsidies I can't see anyone serving HHH after the Dash 8s are gone. No sympathy though, they have SAV just down the road.

Not exactly down the road, HHH has been hampered for years by the short runway and yearly totals for some years were very good. I could see DL returning with service to ATL and AA with CLT. HHH has its own market and people prefer to land at their destination, not in another state. In the past the plan was to lengthen the runway in two stages, first to 5000 feet, then to 5400 feet. Lately no mention of the 5400 foot plan.

A lot of people would love to have an airport only 40 minutes drive away. HHH doesn't NEED its own airport.

from sea pines it's an hour - there are so many new stoplights now in bluffton the drive has slowed quite a bit over the years. Well heeled visitors to HHH plus local retirees and self employed types have the $$ to pay for commercial service

TWFlyGuy · Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:30 pm

pbody wrote:
cheapgreek wrote:
pbody wrote:
Without some major subsidies I can't see anyone serving HHH after the Dash 8s are gone. No sympathy though, they have SAV just down the road.

Not exactly down the road, HHH has been hampered for years by the short runway and yearly totals for some years were very good. I could see DL returning with service to ATL and AA with CLT. HHH has its own market and people prefer to land at their destination, not in another state. In the past the plan was to lengthen the runway in two stages, first to 5000 feet, then to 5400 feet. Lately no mention of the 5400 foot plan.

A lot of people would love to have an airport only 40 minutes drive away. HHH doesn't NEED its own airport.

The market disagrees with you. Even without commercial service, there would still be an airport for the private/GA use. Given that an airport is there and there is some level of demand, commercial service is likely to continue. Even if AA discontinued, I could see Via Air or someone else beginning service. With the runway extension, I actually wonder if DL will make a comback since they left dues to retirement of the aircraft they were using...SAABs I believe.

RJNUT · Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:40 pm

it appears June 2018, 5000 ft. extension should be complete. that should allow any of the US3 express carriers in with EMB's

N126DL · Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:41 pm

At KSAV:

AA gave up the US gates - 12 & 14 to consolidate at 4, 6, and 8?
DL had 11, 13, and 15, and took over 14. Who uses 12? SY?

B6 has 7 & 9?
UA has 3 & 5?
AC has 10

Gate 1 isn't used because security extends through it, right? How about Gate 2?

What gate is F9 getting?

DaufuskieGuy · Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:50 pm

TWFlyGuy wrote:
pbody wrote:
cheapgreek wrote:

Not exactly down the road, HHH has been hampered for years by the short runway and yearly totals for some years were very good. I could see DL returning with service to ATL and AA with CLT. HHH has its own market and people prefer to land at their destination, not in another state. In the past the plan was to lengthen the runway in two stages, first to 5000 feet, then to 5400 feet. Lately no mention of the 5400 foot plan.

A lot of people would love to have an airport only 40 minutes drive away. HHH doesn't NEED its own airport.

The market disagrees with you. Even without commercial service, there would still be an airport for the private/GA use. Given that an airport is there and there is some level of demand, commercial service is likely to continue. Even if AA discontinued, I could see Via Air or someone else beginning service. With the runway extension, I actually wonder if DL will make a comback since they left dues to retirement of the aircraft they were using...SAABs I believe.

the last equipment dl used was the atr

DaufuskieGuy · Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:50 pm

cheapgreek · Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:53 pm

DaufuskieGuy wrote:
TWFlyGuy wrote:
pbody wrote:

A lot of people would love to have an airport only 40 minutes drive away. HHH doesn't NEED its own airport.

The market disagrees with you. Even without commercial service, there would still be an airport for the private/GA use. Given that an airport is there and there is some level of demand, commercial service is likely to continue. Even if AA discontinued, I could see Via Air or someone else beginning service. With the runway extension, I actually wonder if DL will make a comback since they left dues to retirement of the aircraft they were using...SAABs I believe.

the last equipment dl used was the atr

I thought it was the Saab 340.

cheapgreek · Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:56 pm

evank516 wrote:
cheapgreek wrote:
evank516 wrote:
The E170/175 can technically handle the runway can't it? It handles EYW from as far as ORD.

There's quite a difference between the 170 & 175 as far as takeoff distances. The 170 is the best of the E series off short runways.

Yes, however the E175 can take off from EYW and make it all the way to DCA. UA uses their E170 for EWR and ORD flights, but my guess is if an E175 can fly from EYW-DCA then they can handle HHH-CLT.

Would be interesting to know how many flights are weight restricted and by how many seats. I know some flights are limited to one checked bag.

cheapgreek · Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:00 pm

N126DL wrote:
With the Dash 8 being done in a few weeks, wondering if the HHH runway extension will keep service.

The last 11 Dash-8-300's will be in service till July 4 2018.

DaufuskieGuy · Fri Feb 16, 2018 1:08 am

cheapgreek wrote:
DaufuskieGuy wrote:
TWFlyGuy wrote:

The market disagrees with you. Even without commercial service, there would still be an airport for the private/GA use. Given that an airport is there and there is some level of demand, commercial service is likely to continue. Even if AA discontinued, I could see Via Air or someone else beginning service. With the runway extension, I actually wonder if DL will make a comback since they left dues to retirement of the aircraft they were using...SAABs I believe.

the last equipment dl used was the atr

I thought it was the Saab 340.

IIRC they got rid of the SAABS before the ATR which certainly was used to HHH in the mid 2000s. If the SAABS hung around later I guess they could have been the last DL planes to HHH, either way I'm not sold that DL comes back even with the 5000 ft runway, HHH is a small market for 2 carriers

Narfish641 · Fri Feb 16, 2018 1:08 am

cheapgreek wrote:
pbody wrote:
Without some major subsidies I can't see anyone serving HHH after the Dash 8s are gone. No sympathy though, they have SAV just down the road.

Not exactly down the road, HHH has been hampered for years by the short runway and yearly totals for some years were very good. I could see DL returning with service to ATL and AA with CLT. HHH has its own market and people prefer to land at their destination, not in another state. In the past the plan was to lengthen the runway in two stages, first to 5000 feet, then to 5400 feet. Lately no mention of the 5400 foot plan.

Deltas been bringing their 737-700 and MD-88s down there lately that services ATL for a bit. Or at least couple of months when I first found out that they did.

Cubsrule · Fri Feb 16, 2018 1:50 am

DaufuskieGuy wrote:
cheapgreek wrote:
DaufuskieGuy wrote:

the last equipment dl used was the atr

I thought it was the Saab 340.

IIRC they got rid of the SAABS before the ATR which certainly was used to HHH in the mid 2000s. If the SAABS hung around later I guess they could have been the last DL planes to HHH, either way I'm not sold that DL comes back even with the 5000 ft runway, HHH is a small market for 2 carriers

I believe they flew XJ Saabs to HHH briefly post-merger.

Flighty · Fri Feb 16, 2018 2:23 am

cheapgreek wrote:
N126DL wrote:
With the Dash 8 being done in a few weeks, wondering if the HHH runway extension will keep service.

The last 11 Dash-8-300's will be in service till July 4 2018.

You sound like somebody who knows what will happen after that. Guess the rest of us will wait to find out. The airline has about 1-2 more months to publish the final schedules. My guess is we hear the future of HHH soon!

cheapgreek · Fri Feb 16, 2018 2:42 am

Flighty wrote:
cheapgreek wrote:
N126DL wrote:
With the Dash 8 being done in a few weeks, wondering if the HHH runway extension will keep service.

The last 11 Dash-8-300's will be in service till July 4 2018.

You sound like somebody who knows what will happen after that. Guess the rest of us will wait to find out. The airline has about 1-2 more months to publish the final schedules. My guess is we hear the future of HHH soon!

I am Usairway's retiree, I keep in touch with Piedmont people.

cheapgreek · Fri Feb 16, 2018 2:45 am

Narfish641 wrote:
cheapgreek wrote:
pbody wrote:
Without some major subsidies I can't see anyone serving HHH after the Dash 8s are gone. No sympathy though, they have SAV just down the road.

Not exactly down the road, HHH has been hampered for years by the short runway and yearly totals for some years were very good. I could see DL returning with service to ATL and AA with CLT. HHH has its own market and people prefer to land at their destination, not in another state. In the past the plan was to lengthen the runway in two stages, first to 5000 feet, then to 5400 feet. Lately no mention of the 5400 foot plan.

Deltas been bringing their 737-700 and MD-88s down there lately that services ATL for a bit. Or at least couple of months when I first found out that they did.

Do you mean SAV regarding the 737-700's and MD-88's?

LAX772LR · Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:21 am

I haven't been through SAV since '98, but curious: does it still have that old "Cheers" bar?

Some fond family memories there, was just wondering.

Narfish641 · Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:25 am

cheapgreek wrote:
Narfish641 wrote:
cheapgreek wrote:

Not exactly down the road, HHH has been hampered for years by the short runway and yearly totals for some years were very good. I could see DL returning with service to ATL and AA with CLT. HHH has its own market and people prefer to land at their destination, not in another state. In the past the plan was to lengthen the runway in two stages, first to 5000 feet, then to 5400 feet. Lately no mention of the 5400 foot plan.

Deltas been bringing their 737-700 and MD-88s down there lately that services ATL for a bit. Or at least couple of months when I first found out that they did.

Do you mean SAV regarding the 737-700's and MD-88's?

Yes. I actually thought that HHH was another abbreviation for SAV, It was too late before I could edit it and add more details. Also an add on, I believe Southwest comes to SAV on seasonal occasions.

aaflyer222 · Fri Feb 16, 2018 6:39 am

cheapgreek wrote:
N126DL wrote:
With the Dash 8 being done in a few weeks, wondering if the HHH runway extension will keep service.

The last 11 Dash-8-300's will be in service till July 4 2018.

will some of the dh3 exit before July? I have not seen a fleet plan by quarter..

evank516 · Fri Feb 16, 2018 2:12 pm

cheapgreek wrote:
evank516 wrote:
cheapgreek wrote:
There's quite a difference between the 170 & 175 as far as takeoff distances. The 170 is the best of the E series off short runways.

Yes, however the E175 can take off from EYW and make it all the way to DCA. UA uses their E170 for EWR and ORD flights, but my guess is if an E175 can fly from EYW-DCA then they can handle HHH-CLT.

Would be interesting to know how many flights are weight restricted and by how many seats. I know some flights are limited to one checked bag.

AA and UA don't have any checked baggage limits on their EYW flights, only DL. However that's the only weight restriction that I know of for DL's 737 ops at EYW. The CR7s sometimes take a bit of a penalty which is why I make sure I don't fly the CR7s. Other than that, from a few sources on here I don't hear of any weight restrictions on the E175 flights. An E175 from CLT-HHH is probably going to be pretty light as it is is a short 207 mile flight. Does AA still have the E170 on the east coast at all?

N126DL · Fri Feb 16, 2018 9:31 pm

Narfish641 wrote:
cheapgreek wrote:
Narfish641 wrote:

Deltas been bringing their 737-700 and MD-88s down there lately that services ATL for a bit. Or at least couple of months when I first found out that they did.

Do you mean SAV regarding the 737-700's and MD-88's?

Yes. I actually thought that HHH was another abbreviation for SAV, It was too late before I could edit it and add more details. Also an add on, I believe Southwest comes to SAV on seasonal occasions.

WN does not serve SAV. WN serves CHS. You're thinking SY, which does service SAV on seasonal schedule. AT stopped service in 2008, but they only had two flights and the lack of the early morning flight for business is what did it.

DL has a 73W as a late or last inbound/RON for the first or second morning turn most weekdays - must be business heavy pax from Gulfstream, Mitsubishi, etc. on that departure. Otherwise, a mix of A319/73W/M88 and the occasional 717, not counting RJ service to ATL (1 flight by EV), BOS (G7, 9E), LGA (9E, EV) and JFK/DTW/MSP (9E). Monday's flight schedule shows a 73W, 738, and 5 M88s to ATL on mainline.

hawk2100n · Fri Feb 16, 2018 10:05 pm

As an HHH native and now Denver based, I'm excited to see F9 start service to SAV even though it's 2x weekly Friday + Monday for vacationers and VFR travelers. I'm hoping that UA puts a E175 on that route, it has the legs and I think is the right size for daily service.

And having also flown into HHH via CLT on a Dash8 in Jan, I'm hopeful for RJ service for more than one airline. I remember when DL and AA both flew it and while it got busy in the gate area with simultaneous boarding, it was great for fares. HHH can definitely support the traffic, it's not and hasn't been an EAS route and two carriers with E175s or smaller would be great for everyone!

Wynnster8 · Tue Feb 27, 2018 1:03 am

Hi, I have been searching on American Airlines Website (AA.com) and found that starting on June 7, 2018, and beyond American Eagle will be serving the airport with E175's! This is a large upgrade from Dash 8-300.

Northwest1988 · Tue Feb 27, 2018 1:52 am

Wow! 175s to HHH! So happy to see service staying on the island!

Wynnster8 · Tue Feb 27, 2018 1:58 am

Northwest1988 wrote:
Wow! 175s to HHH! So happy to see service staying on the island!

Yes, i know! it's so Happy! And it is Actually cheaper tickets than Dash 8. (First class is 100 More dollars than the Former Economy ticket.)

cheapgreek · Tue Feb 27, 2018 2:54 am

Northwest1988 wrote:
Wow! 175s to HHH! So happy to see service staying on the island!

Can 175's be in HVN's future?

Wynnster8 · Tue Feb 27, 2018 10:34 pm

cheapgreek wrote:
Northwest1988 wrote:
Wow! 175s to HHH! So happy to see service staying on the island!

Can 175's be in HVN's future?

According to AA.COM TWEED will see CRJ200's.

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