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QR plans to announce 10 new routes along with a loss for this year, working on variation on Qsuites for A380's and 787's

Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:48 am

At the launch of Qatar Airways new service to Canberra this week, QR chief AAB said QR plans to announce 10 new routes this year which are addition to routes already announced

Qatar Airways plans to open a further 10 new routes this year as it continues to expand its network in defiance of a blockade of its home base by Gulf neighbours.
Qatar chief executive Akbar Al Baker revealed the plans Monday after the launch of airline’s latest new route to the Australian capital of Canberra and said the airline would begin revealing names from next month.


AAB also stated that even though the current blockade was not significantly affecting its routes, it has made an impact on its bottomline and they are expected to make a loss this year

The blockade has not significantly affected the airline’s routes to Europe and Australia, where Al Baker estimates it adds 10 to 15 minutes flying time.
But it has taken its toll on the Qatar’s bottom line and he told reporters in Canberra it was poised to announce a loss.
This comes after Qatar produced its best annual results in its history in 2017 with a $US5414m profit, up 21.7 percent on the previous year.
“Qatar Airways will announce a loss because I lost mature destinations,’’ Al Baker said, noting the mature routes were being replaced with growth destinations such as Canberra that would not immediately make money.


On the Qsuites, 14 of 56 777's so far have the new Qsuites installed, all 777's will have Qsuites in about 18 months time. QR is also working on a variation to the QSuites for the A388 and 787 fleets. It is expected they will feature on the 787 first then retrofitted onto the A380's

he said it would not be installed on the airlines A380s because of the curvature of the fuselage on the superjumbo’s upper deck or on its B787-9s because this would require the seat to be narrowed.
Instead, it is developing a new suite for the 787s which would have full privacy and would “not be very far away from the Qsuite” but would not allow four seats to be joined to create a “quad” family area.
“And then they will be retrofitted into the A380,’’ Al Baker said “So the A380 product will again by upgraded to full privacy.”


https://www.airlineratings.com/news/def ... ew-routes/
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Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:01 pm

No mention on the retrofit plans for the A359 fleet... I assume that this is in the pipeline too, as the product does fit on the A350...?
 
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Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:04 pm

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No mention on the retrofit plans for the A359 fleet... I assume that this is in the pipeline too, as the product does fit on the A350...?


Yes according the following article it says Qsuites are being rolled out on both 777 and A350 fleet

https://www.ausbt.com.au/qatar-airways- ... ource=hero
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Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:10 pm

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Yes according the following article it says Qsuites are being rolled out on both 777 and A350 fleet


It says the Qsuites are now rolling out on the A350's (i.e. coming off the production line) but does not mention retrofit time frame (whereas it says the 77W's will be done in one and a half years).
 
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Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:25 pm

The 10 new routes will be interesting and i wonder if any will be in the UK? Belfast and Leeds must stand a good chance.
 
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Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:35 pm

Really wonder if they will announce and actually start SFO.

With Etihad gone, it has to be a route that actually makes sense to fly now.
 
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Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:45 pm

Have they actually started all other routes like they've announced to plan to start over the last few years...Lusaka (LUN) have been mentioned few years ago, but have not been launched yet...any others ?
 
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Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:04 pm

Assuming that F will be removed on the A380s...
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Assuming that F will be removed on the A380s...


What would they do with the Al Safwah lounge then?

OW Emeralds flying on QR? The majority of the nearby destinations that used to be branded as F are blockaded.
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Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:33 pm

Hope they will annouce TLS !
 
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Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:46 pm

The value of F on is vastly overestimated IMHO. The more airlines that ditch it the more the arguments stack up that it doesn't make sense to allocate that amount of real estate on the plane to first. Especially given that suites is knocking on the door. As for 10 new destinations, anyone hazard a guess? SFO has to be up there. Maybe YYZ. Maybe KIX or BNE. Maybe SZX or CAN. Maybe SCL. Lots of possibilities.
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Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:57 pm

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Hope they will annouce TLS !


It is a good option, no other ME3 serve TLS but I am not sure if the bilateral allows, France and Germany have some restrictions in place. Maybe Lyon could have a chance also. Hamburg could be an option too, I think EK has 2 daily B777 there, so it's not a small business.
BlatantEcho wrote:
Really wonder if they will announce and actually start SFO.

With Etihad gone, it has to be a route that actually makes sense to fly now.


It makes much more sense than LAS, at least in my opinion.

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What would they do with the Al Safwah lounge then?

OW Emeralds flying on QR? The majority of the nearby destinations that used to be branded as F are blockaded.

That should not be a big problem, I am sure they can still use it somehow, maybe for some Privilege club status customers or making a new lounge for Business class customers.

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Have they actually started all other routes like they've announced to plan to start over the last few years...Lusaka (LUN) have been mentioned few years ago, but have not been launched yet...any others ?

Some of them they have, not all of them, that's true.
QR has announced previously some routes like SCL and LAS and they did not start them yet, so two of them could be this ones,

Maybe AGP with an A320, Sttutgart, Osaka, LGW, EWR, Cebu, were once in the network. Maybe somewhere in the Balkans. Many options with the fleet QR has.
LUN-HRE is a good option also, with a B787 could work ok.
 
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Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:00 pm

Recently there's been talk that Victoria Falls (VFA) airport is close to finalising a deal for its first intercontinental service through either TK or QR...however I'm not too sure how feasible it is...but surely it can't be standalone...perhaps QR can with 787-8, 3 or 4 weekly in tag-on or triangular with HRE, LUN or LLW (and maybe get 5th freedom on the latter two). Or maybe tag-on with JRO on A320...if they can get 5th freedom between JRO and VFA, it would connect two of Africa's biggest tourist markets.
Another likely destination for QR I think is MRU.
 
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Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:18 pm

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The value of F on is vastly overestimated IMHO. The more airlines that ditch it the more the arguments stack up that it doesn't make sense to allocate that amount of real estate on the plane to first. Especially given that suites is knocking on the door. As for 10 new destinations, anyone hazard a guess? SFO has to be up there. Maybe YYZ. Maybe KIX or BNE. Maybe SZX or CAN. Maybe SCL. Lots of possibilities.


QR already fly to CAN. BNE would be a no go until bilaterals are increased. There have been a couple of stories on QR serving CNS.
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Tue Feb 13, 2018 4:04 pm

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The 10 new routes will be interesting and i wonder if any will be in the UK? Belfast and Leeds must stand a good chance.


I think STN was on the radar as rumored on this forum. But they've been beaten too it by their Neighbour.

1 daily to LGW may happen though. EK are sending 3 A380's per day. I'm sure they could chip away with the 787 without cannibalising their Heathrow flights.
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Tue Feb 13, 2018 4:19 pm

I wonder if any of the ME3 will take a chance on secondary Scandinavia, like BGO, SVG, or GOT. Then again it mightight be too far for an A320, and a wide body might be too big.
 
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Tue Feb 13, 2018 4:22 pm

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I wonder if any of the ME3 will take a chance on secondary Scandinavia, like BGO, SVG, or GOT. Then again it mightight be too far for an A320, and a wide body might be too big.


A321LR would be the perfect aircraft for those routes.
 
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Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:05 pm

A return to LGW has been long rumoured now. Agree that TLS should have one of the ME3 there.
 
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Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:33 pm

Does anybody know what is the status of the flight to AGP? Was it just a rumour, wishful thinking or was there ever an announcement?
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Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:36 pm

bycac wrote:
Hope they will annouce TLS !
787-8 would be the perfect plane for that route, lol.

Continental767 wrote:
Assuming that F will be removed on the A380s...
The article says otherwise.
The A380s will retain their first class cabin, although those open suites could see a revamp to give them more privacy.
 
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I so wish MEX could be on that list and finally have one of the ME3 flying there.
 
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I so wish MEX could be on that list and finally have one of the ME3 flying there.


They can only ignore the 10th largest metro area in the world for so long.....
 
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Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:54 pm

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dodgers702 wrote:
I so wish MEX could be on that list and finally have one of the ME3 flying there.


They can only ignore the 10th largest metro area in the world for so long.....
Maybe the 777-8 will make that possible.
 
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I so wish MEX could be on that list and finally have one of the ME3 flying there.


Probably on the list, but if it was that viable they would be there by now.
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Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:04 pm

I assume Lisbon is one of them. It has been rumoured for a lot of time and with EK alone operating there, its the perfect oportunity to fly there. 787 would be perfect
 
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Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:12 pm

Isn't this typical rah rah rah sis boom bah from AAB. Almost a year ago they announced San Francisco and 11 new routes:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/f ... 100840088/

Where is QR in SFO? I think they do this over and over to try and stay relevant. There's a reason why EY dropped SFO and that's because SFO is wayyyy over served for the clientele that QR would attract. QR would need India passengers and now with AI non-stop it's killed traffic flowing over the ME to India from SFO. QR would be dumb to launch this now.
 
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GLA would be lovely...
 
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Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:58 pm

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GLA would be lovely...

Not with them serving EDI as well. That'll be like EK announcing EDI when they serve GLA. Think it'll be years before the market warrants both main Scottish cities to have the same ME3 service.
 
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Julie77W wrote:
GLA would be lovely...

Not with them serving EDI as well. That'll be like EK announcing EDI when they serve GLA. Think it'll be years before the market warrants both main Scottish cities to have the same ME3 service.


Agreed. QR have just jacked EDI up to the A350 so would be silly to start GLA.
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dodgers702 wrote:
I so wish MEX could be on that list and finally have one of the ME3 flying there.


Probably on the list, but if it was that viable they would be there by now.

My understanding is that EY researched whether an A345 or a 77L could make it MEX-AUH-MEX with meaninful payload, and the conclusion was no.

The new MEX should have a much longer runway. That, and planes such as the 778X and the A359ULR might finally make it possible for EK (more likely than QR and EY) to land at MEX. EK has been wanting to fly to MEX via ZRH with fifth freedom rights, but apparently the Swiss government would only be willing to let this happen via GVA. Seems that is the current state of affairs.
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Isn't this typical rah rah rah sis boom bah from AAB. Almost a year ago they announced San Francisco and 11 new routes:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/f ... 100840088/

Where is QR in SFO? I think they do this over and over to try and stay relevant. There's a reason why EY dropped SFO and that's because SFO is wayyyy over served for the clientele that QR would attract. QR would need India passengers and now with AI non-stop it's killed traffic flowing over the ME to India from SFO. QR would be dumb to launch this now.


Typical armchair quarterbacking from a-netters who haven't a clue... SFO is not wayyyy over-served. EY had healthy loads. Their problems run far deeper. Yields may have been a problem, but not loads. Poor loads are what would deem a market as being over-served. SFO has just one ME3 as well as the AI nonstop and the rumor of AI to Mumbai. There is room for QR as long as EK doesn't add another daily...
 
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EddieDude wrote:
Arion640 wrote:
dodgers702 wrote:
I so wish MEX could be on that list and finally have one of the ME3 flying there.


Probably on the list, but if it was that viable they would be there by now.

My understanding is that EY researched whether an A345 or a 77L could make it MEX-AUH-MEX with meaninful payload, and the conclusion was no.

The new MEX should have a much longer runway. That, and planes such as the 778X and the A359ULR might finally make it possible for EK (more likely than QR and EY) to land at MEX. EK has been wanting to fly to MEX via ZRH with fifth freedom rights, but apparently the Swiss government would only be willing to let this happen via GVA. Seems that is the current state of affairs.


I remember reading that both QR and EK are the serious contenders in getting flights to MEX as of last year.. I remember reading EK was waiting for government approval for a DXB-MEX-CUN-DXB route with no rights to pick up passengers in CUN of course, not sure what is the status on that now as I cannot find a recent article. As for QR, they were studying to see if the A380 would be able to fly to MEX but were worried about the airport conditions. I am still hoping maybe QR surprises us and has MEX as one of its new destinations somehow. Maybe with a technical stop somehow the 787 can land in MEX?
 
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... not sure I could see LBA to be honest. BFS at a push.
 
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AAB also stated that even though the current blockade was not significantly affecting its routes, it has made an impact on its bottomline and they are expected to make a loss this year
The blockade has not significantly affected the airline’s routes to Europe and Australia, where Al Baker estimates it adds 10 to 15 minutes flying time.
But it has taken its toll on the Qatar’s bottom line and he told reporters in Canberra it was poised to announce a loss.
This comes after Qatar produced its best annual results in its history in 2017 with a $US5414m profit, up 21.7 percent on the previous year.
“Qatar Airways will announce a loss because I lost mature destinations,’’ Al Baker said, noting the mature routes were being replaced with growth destinations such as Canberra that would not immediately make money.

I can't find the reference I read on Internet, but there was an analysis stating that the UAE, KSA, Bahrain & Egypt embargo took over 20% of QR's traffic & close to 30% of their profits - or the reverse. I have also asked around if the embargo was not actually intended to thwart QR's insolent growth & ambitious expansion plans to favour MS, SV, GF, EY, EK-FZ, & G9 growth instead, after all it is only affecting QR...

Last, does anyone know how many of QR's freed airframes are successfully redeployed elsewhere ?
QR surely needs to get them flying around instead of sun tanning at DOH year round...
 
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Imagine having tens of billions invested.. and it producing a negative return.

Every airline in the middle east.
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AAB also stated that even though the current blockade was not significantly affecting its routes, it has made an impact on its bottomline and they are expected to make a loss this year

The blockade has not significantly affected the airline’s routes to Europe and Australia, where Al Baker estimates it adds 10 to 15 minutes flying time.
But it has taken its toll on the Qatar’s bottom line and he told reporters in Canberra it was poised to announce a loss.
This comes after Qatar produced its best annual results in its history in 2017 with a $US5414m profit, up 21.7 percent on the previous year.
“Qatar Airways will announce a loss because I lost mature destinations,’’ Al Baker said, noting the mature routes were being replaced with growth destinations such as Canberra that would not immediately make money.




Qatar is not subject to a blockade and it is dishonest to call it that.
 
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Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:10 pm

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Isn't this typical rah rah rah sis boom bah from AAB. Almost a year ago they announced San Francisco and 11 new routes:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/f ... 100840088/

Where is QR in SFO? I think they do this over and over to try and stay relevant. There's a reason why EY dropped SFO and that's because SFO is wayyyy over served for the clientele that QR would attract. QR would need India passengers and now with AI non-stop it's killed traffic flowing over the ME to India from SFO. QR would be dumb to launch this now.


Thank you. Indeed, typical AAB hyperbole. Add SCL and GIG to the list of destinations announced that never saw the light of day...
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Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:32 pm

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EddieDude wrote:
Arion640 wrote:

Probably on the list, but if it was that viable they would be there by now.

My understanding is that EY researched whether an A345 or a 77L could make it MEX-AUH-MEX with meaninful payload, and the conclusion was no.

The new MEX should have a much longer runway. That, and planes such as the 778X and the A359ULR might finally make it possible for EK (more likely than QR and EY) to land at MEX. EK has been wanting to fly to MEX via ZRH with fifth freedom rights, but apparently the Swiss government would only be willing to let this happen via GVA. Seems that is the current state of affairs.


I remember reading that both QR and EK are the serious contenders in getting flights to MEX as of last year.. I remember reading EK was waiting for government approval for a DXB-MEX-CUN-DXB route with no rights to pick up passengers in CUN of course, not sure what is the status on that now as I cannot find a recent article. As for QR, they were studying to see if the A380 would be able to fly to MEX but were worried about the airport conditions. I am still hoping maybe QR surprises us and has MEX as one of its new destinations somehow. Maybe with a technical stop somehow the 787 can land in MEX?


Qatar have the 789 on order and have 788's. I would of thought with BA getting a 747 into MEX and even though London is closer, Qatar would of been able to fly the 787 there.
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Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:52 pm

QR is limited with Australasian growth (bilateral restrictions) and New Zealand growth (distance) - two possibilities could be:

1. OOL - would have to be served via Asia, given runway length, but would give QR a presence in QLD, given it's not at BNE.
2. CHC or WLG - I heard that ADL wasn't performing that well, so perhaps QR could extend that flight? CHC has EK already.

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clrd4t8koff wrote:
Isn't this typical rah rah rah sis boom bah from AAB. Almost a year ago they announced San Francisco and 11 new routes:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/f ... 100840088/

Where is QR in SFO? I think they do this over and over to try and stay relevant. There's a reason why EY dropped SFO and that's because SFO is wayyyy over served for the clientele that QR would attract. QR would need India passengers and now with AI non-stop it's killed traffic flowing over the ME to India from SFO. QR would be dumb to launch this now.


Typical armchair quarterbacking from a-netters who haven't a clue... SFO is not wayyyy over-served. EY had healthy loads. Their problems run far deeper. Yields may have been a problem, but not loads. Poor loads are what would deem a market as being over-served. SFO has just one ME3 as well as the AI nonstop and the rumor of AI to Mumbai. There is room for QR as long as EK doesn't add another daily...


Poor yields AND poor loads are what killed EY at SFO. EY even dropped SFO to 3x weekly and STILL couldn’t make it work. But that’s right, nobody else but the SFO fan boys have a clue :roll:
 
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Re: QR plans to announce 10 new routes along with a loss for this year, working on variation on Qsuites for A380's and 7

Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:08 am

dcajet wrote:
clrd4t8koff wrote:
Isn't this typical rah rah rah sis boom bah from AAB. Almost a year ago they announced San Francisco and 11 new routes:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/f ... 100840088/

Where is QR in SFO? I think they do this over and over to try and stay relevant. There's a reason why EY dropped SFO and that's because SFO is wayyyy over served for the clientele that QR would attract. QR would need India passengers and now with AI non-stop it's killed traffic flowing over the ME to India from SFO. QR would be dumb to launch this now.


Thank you. Indeed, typical AAB hyperbole. Add SCL and GIG to the list of destinations announced that never saw the light of day...



in 2017 launched Auckland, Tabuk, Yanbu, Dublin, Nice, Skopje, Sohar, Prague, Kyiv, Sarajevo, Adana, Chian Mai, St. Petersburg. In the first two months of 2018 they launched Pattaya, Penang and Canberra.

QR lost access to a lot of their feed and airspace that made same flights to Africa and South America up to 3 hours longer (e.g. KRT went from around 3 hrs to 6 hrs) and hence no longer competitive. Since the announcement SCL and GIG are now around 2 hours longer due to QR losing access to airspace, they fully intended to launch that route in January 2018 had it not been for the political situation.

The point is that the majority of QR's route announcements DO launch, and most (not all) of the ones that didn't in 2017 and 2018 have become uncompetitively much longer in terms of flight time due to loss of airspace or lost access to feed markets that the routes were dependent on in projections.
 
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Re: QR plans to announce 10 new routes along with a loss for this year, working on variation on Qsuites for A380's and 7

Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:12 am

If anything it will be 10 short to medium haul routes. Don't see them adding anything really long haul at this point.
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Re: QR plans to announce 10 new routes along with a loss for this year, working on variation on Qsuites for A380's and 7

Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:07 am

klm617 wrote:
If anything it will be 10 short to medium haul routes. Don't see them adding anything really long haul at this point.


So where do you think that Qatar should be sending all those wide bodies that they have on order and due for delivery to the airline?
 
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Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:16 am

Arion640 wrote:
Jerry123 wrote:
The 10 new routes will be interesting and i wonder if any will be in the UK? Belfast and Leeds must stand a good chance.


I think STN was on the radar as rumored on this forum. But they've been beaten too it by their Neighbour.

1 daily to LGW may happen though. EK are sending 3 A380's per day. I'm sure they could chip away with the 787 without cannibalising their Heathrow flights.


Stansted was never a rumour and it hasn't been on Qatars radar.

I remember reading what your referring to, someone wrote that surely STN would be on the radar of Qatar considering that they already use the airport for their cargo operations BUT the chance of that happening now doesn't seem possible as Emirates have beaten them to it.

I'm not saying that STN wouldn't be a good option for Qatar regardless of Emirates already announcing DXB to STN from June 18 but it wasn't a rumour it was someone on here suggesting it and claiming it as a rumour, two different things.
 
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Re: QR plans to announce 10 new routes along with a loss for this year, working on variation on Qsuites for A380's and 7

Wed Feb 14, 2018 5:55 am

Cunard wrote:
klm617 wrote:
If anything it will be 10 short to medium haul routes. Don't see them adding anything really long haul at this point.


So where do you think that Qatar should be sending all those wide bodies that they have on order and due for delivery to the airline?


Yes there are a number of long haul destinations in the pipeline, however the majority of the widebodies on order will be replacements so the net increase of widebody aircraft in QR's fleet will not be as much as the backlog implies. Not only are the A330/A340s leaving, most of the 777X order is to replace existing 777s and the 787-9 will replace most of the 787-8.
 
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Re: QR plans to announce 10 new routes along with a loss for this year, working on variation on Qsuites for A380's and 7

Wed Feb 14, 2018 6:48 am

klm617 wrote:
If anything it will be 10 short to medium haul routes. Don't see them adding anything really long haul at this point.

IMO, you won't see many new routes to Africa or the Americas - these routes are most affected by the airspace restrictions, given geography.

In contrast, Asia, Australasia and Europe are not really affected by the blockade - IMO, these will be the regions to see the new QR services.

If I could pick 10 destinations, I would pick:

1. BFS - no ME3, would build on DUB success, with little bilateral restriction, and strong VFR connections to Australia / NZ.
2. BKI - no ME3, would build on PEN launch and MH being in OW, with no bilateral restriction, and good in-bound tourism.
3. CHC - as a tag to ADL, or seasonally non-stop - would offer Australasian growth despite exhaustion of Australian rights.
4. KIX - QR pulled out only a few years ago (allegedly a slots spat) - the point has been proven, and now's the time to re-enter.
5. LUX - no ME3, high-yielding, would offer some Germany catchment, getting around the bilateral - good use of narrow-body.
6. MFM - no ME3, would build on CAN / HKG success - back-route way for more China presence (code-share deal with NX).
7. RIX - no ME3, most cosmpolitan city in fast-growing Baltic region, which is a gap in QR network - narrow-body can be used.
8. SUB - no ME3, few Asian legacy carriers linking to Europe (e.g. no CZ or TG), booming Indonesian market, and Islamic ties.
9. TPE - EK is there, but TPE still lacks European flights, and BR and CI are weak in Europe - opportunity for QR's Europe feed.

and, as a wild-card, a Latin American city (MEX), with a stop like DUB (subject to rights) - a stop would get around MEX's hot / high geography?

I assume that QR will get no extra rights to Australia, China, Germany or any of the other restrictive jurisdictions within this period of growth. :hissyfit:

Cheers,

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Re: QR plans to announce 10 new routes along with a loss for this year, working on variation on Qsuites for A380's and 7

Wed Feb 14, 2018 7:04 am

Cunard wrote:
Arion640 wrote:
Jerry123 wrote:
The 10 new routes will be interesting and i wonder if any will be in the UK? Belfast and Leeds must stand a good chance.


I think STN was on the radar as rumored on this forum. But they've been beaten too it by their Neighbour.

1 daily to LGW may happen though. EK are sending 3 A380's per day. I'm sure they could chip away with the 787 without cannibalising their Heathrow flights.


Stansted was never a rumour and it hasn't been on Qatars radar.

I remember reading what your referring to, someone wrote that surely STN would be on the radar of Qatar considering that they already use the airport for their cargo operations BUT the chance of that happening now doesn't seem possible as Emirates have beaten them to it.

I'm not saying that STN wouldn't be a good option for Qatar regardless of Emirates already announcing DXB to STN from June 18 but it wasn't a rumour it was someone on here suggesting it and claiming it as a rumour, two different things.


Ok, i'll call it all "Speculation" if that works better for you.
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Re: QR plans to announce 10 new routes along with a loss for this year, working on variation on Qsuites for A380's and 7

Wed Feb 14, 2018 7:40 am

so JMK being launched would be among the 10 new ones?
 
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Re: QR plans to announce 10 new routes along with a loss for this year, working on variation on Qsuites for A380's and 7

Wed Feb 14, 2018 7:57 am

Julie77W wrote:
GLA would be lovely...

No, I think they will expand flights to EDI instead, my suggestions is not GLA, but maybe SUB or AUS.
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Re: QR plans to announce 10 new routes along with a loss for this year, working on variation on Qsuites for A380's and 7

Wed Feb 14, 2018 7:59 am

Continental767 wrote:
Assuming that F will be removed on the A380s...

Maybe. But I think there is rumours that they would create the new F Suites probably like the new SQ A380 Suites.
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