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Thenoflyzone wrote:The point I'm making is that this potential flight has a lot of hurdles to overcome just to brake even, much less make a profit. Instead, why not use those 2 dreamliners and start another route than could potentially make more money, all the while tying up that plane for less time.
izbtmnhd wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Canada_Rouge
airgeekteen wrote:I think we see YYZ-GIG first.
keitherson wrote:AC/RV is flying YVR-DUB and YVR-LGW with no barely any feed on both ends and you guys are shooting down YVR-GRU?
I'd imagine YVR-SCL-GRU-YVR working extremely well. Students, mining traffic, some business traffic, tourists. Even summer snowboarders!
keitherson wrote:AC/RV is flying YVR-DUB and YVR-LGW with no barely any feed on both ends and you guys are shooting down YVR-GRU?
I'd imagine YVR-SCL-GRU-YVR working extremely well. Students, mining traffic, some business traffic, tourists. Even summer snowboarders!
airgeekteen wrote:I think we see YYZ-GIG first.
winGl3t wrote:Could a winter seasonal (2 weekly) YVR-GIG work on Rouge? I bet their 763 can not do it though. I'd hope for a return of YYZ-GIG first, even if it's winter seasonal on a Canadian LCC.
YVR-GRU would be a long flight with no business demand, only leisure from Brazil POS.
AAvgeek744 wrote:There are at least 20 better cities in TK's network for a stop between IST and MEX than YVR: MIA, YYZ, LHR, CDG, ATL, etc... YVR is quite far from the great circle route.In the December 2017 issue of Airways Magazine (a magazine which I personally do not think is very credible), there is an article on the YVR-China connection. It touts the fact YVR would be a natural stop between northeast Asia and South America. It also states TK has shown interest in a IST-YVR-MEX route someday.
AAvgeek744 wrote:In the December 2017 issue of Airways Magazine (a magazine which I personally do not think is very credible), there is an article on the YVR-China connection. It touts the fact YVR would be a natural stop between northeast Asia and South America.
longhauler wrote:AAvgeek744 wrote:In the December 2017 issue of Airways Magazine (a magazine which I personally do not think is very credible), there is an article on the YVR-China connection. It touts the fact YVR would be a natural stop between northeast Asia and South America.
LAX772LR wrote:izbtmnhd wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Canada_Rouge
Yeah, when you find yourself citing Wikipedia, you should probably have enough sense to stop what you're doing.
But that said: they can label/market it however they wish, but a quick look at CTA Decision 470-A in 2012 shows that "816" was set up as a separate entity to provide aircraft and pilots to AC to operate under its license until an independent designation ("RV") could be gained, then it would operate as its own entity.
So, again, going back to the original post-- the reason they're treating it like a separate airline; is because it is one.
Though why that seems to spin you into an emotional tizzy, is anyone's guess.
C010T3 wrote:but I am only seeing how the great circle route is used as an argument, but the scheduling particularities are not being taken in consideration.
incitatus wrote:These natural distance advantages of hundreds of miles in distance can be easily erased by connection times.
Looking at July 2018 AC flights from Asia come into Vancouver at different times in the morning, starting at 9:15 am ICN to 11:45 am TPE. That is not counting HKG that comes in late afternoon. If AC wants to feed a Brazil flight from most of Asia, it will have to leave YVR at about 1:30 pm. There will be some 4-hour connections. Even a 1000-mile detour can have shorter total travel time.
incitatus wrote:These natural distance advantages of hundreds of miles in distance can be easily erased by connection times.
Looking at July 2018 AC flights from Asia come into Vancouver at different times in the morning, starting at 9:15 am ICN to 11:45 am TPE. That is not counting HKG that comes in late afternoon. If AC wants to feed a Brazil flight from most of Asia, it will have to leave YVR at about 1:30 pm. There will be some 4-hour connections. Even a 1000-mile detour can have shorter total travel time.
longhauler wrote:AAvgeek744 wrote:In the December 2017 issue of Airways Magazine (a magazine which I personally do not think is very credible), there is an article on the YVR-China connection. It touts the fact YVR would be a natural stop between northeast Asia and South America.
I am not sure what Airways thinks "natural" would be, but ... HKG-YVR-GIG is about 400 miles longer than HKG-YYZ-GIG!
izbtmnhd wrote:It is a separate airline and a wholly owned subsidiary of AC. That's why I called it a "separate" airline. Like I posted before -- context. I can't make it any simpler for you.
notconcerned wrote:The most natural distance for Asia-Brazil is through Middle East hubs.
WOW Air launched this route on April 5, 2017, meaning that it will be canceled just a bit over a year after it started. WOW Air has flown this route three times weekly with an Airbus A330, using the following schedule:
WW131 Reykjavik to Miami departing 6:30PM arriving 10:30PM
WW132 Miami to Reykjavik departing 4:30PM arriving 4:05AM (+1 day)
As you can see, the aircraft utilization for this route is pretty bad, as the plane sits on the ground in Miami for 18 hours.
ddp wrote:YVR has been wanting flights to Brazil for years. Expect them to offer a major incentive to get a route going.
This past year Montreal added a flight to Lima Peru, which seemed out of nowhere. So Could see AC taking a shot with YVR to Brazil and timing it will to China, Japan and South Korea.