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Re: LATAM B787-8 to the desert ( Victorville)

Fri Feb 09, 2018 8:05 am

PW100 wrote:
gokmengs wrote:
So what are you saying? Is it false info? These aircraft are going to desert for other reasons please tell us


Amazingly, the answer is already in the thread . . . :


deltal1011man wrote:
They have a solutions the problem now is shop space to get the engines fixed.
Delta's Trent shop will be coming on-line soon and will help a little bit.


So in other words: a fix has been designed and approved. Parts are available. But the enigne shops simply do not have sufficient capacity to turn all those engines in short time frame.


PW100 I assure you I read every single post before I ask something, I was asking why that certain poster was replying “total rubbish” or “ false info” to the engine issue posts. Thats all. “Amazingly” you can see in my post that my reply quoted him;)
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Re: LATAM B787-8 to the desert ( Victorville)

Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:17 pm

¿4 MONTHS FOR A NEW ENGINE IN A VIRGIN B787?....RR HAVE A BIG PROBLEM
 
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Re: LATAM B787-8 to the desert ( Victorville)

Wed Feb 14, 2018 5:31 am

Speaking of grounded 787s, N783AV has been @ EZE since Jan 28th. It has now been moved to Aerolineas Argentinas hangar # 5 for an engine change.

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Re: LATAM B787-8 to the desert ( Victorville)

Sun Feb 18, 2018 5:26 pm

dcajet wrote:
Speaking of grounded 787s, N783AV has been @ EZE since Jan 28th. It has now been moved to Aerolineas Argentinas hangar # 5 for an engine change.

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And with a new engine under its left wing, N783AV left EZE on ferry at 05:26AM yesterday, destination BOG, after ~20 days grounded in Argentina, Work was carried out at AR's hangar # 5.

The aircraft re-entered commercial service that same day, leaving BOG as AV087, destination... EZE, where it arrived at 06:11 today with 240 paxs+crew.

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Re: LATAM B787-8 to the desert ( Victorville)

Sun Feb 18, 2018 6:18 pm

727200 wrote:
What does DL have to do with 787-8 and RR engines? A plane DL has never taken and regreats. On a different note: I noticed you will inject DL in pretty much every topic you post regardless 8f its germain to topic.


If DL "regreated" not purchasing the 787 so much, they probably wouldn't have canceled NW's order for them in the first place, and if they really wanted it now, there's nothing stopping them from ordering it.
 
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Re: LATAM B787-8 to the desert ( Victorville)

Sun Feb 18, 2018 10:41 pm

Except price. The deal that NW got on its order won't be repeated at this stage and I am positive if they tried to get that price, Boeing with such a huge back order would tell them to go pound sand. Not going to happen.
 
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Re: LATAM B787-8 to the desert ( Victorville)

Wed Feb 28, 2018 4:40 pm

787-8 CC-BBE is in long term storage in SCL and it appears it will soon join CC-BBD in VCV as they await for a solution to their engine blues. BBE has been idle since Jan. 22nd.

Are more of LATAM Chile 787-8s destined for storage? Rumor has it that two more may join BBD and E, identities not confirmed yet.

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Re: LATAM B787-8 to the desert ( Victorville)

Mon Mar 19, 2018 4:19 pm

Another (#2) LATAM 787-8 has left the fleet for storage @ VCV. It is CC-BBG, that left SCL on ferry as LA9982 on 17/3. It joins CC-BBD @ VCV.

CC-BBE continues to be stored @ SCL.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/cc-bbg
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Re: LATAM B787-8 to the desert ( Victorville)

Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:14 pm

https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/8890490
here is CC-BBE seen at Santiago without it's engines
 
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Re: LATAM B787-8 to the desert ( Victorville)

Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:24 pm

Speedbirdasia wrote:
According to Skyliner Aviation website LATAM has retired the four planes back to Boeing due to wing root cracks.



This is bogus—it is engine issues
 
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Re: LATAM B787-8 to the desert ( Victorville)

Tue Mar 20, 2018 4:43 am

Still hard to believe that we have three (soon to be four) 4-5 year old, state-of-the-art aircraft out of service indefinitely. If the cause really is RR engine issues, that's just painful.
 
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Re: LATAM B787-8 to the desert ( Victorville)

Tue Mar 20, 2018 4:53 am

I doubt there will ever be a RR engine type offered again on any Boeing airplane. And rightly so.
 
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Re: LATAM B787-8 to the desert ( Victorville)

Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:59 am

Goodyear wrote:
I doubt there will ever be a RR engine type offered again on any Boeing airplane. And rightly so.


If you look through history of Boeing & RR`s . partnerships, you`ll see a very fruitful liason. RR have many first flights
on Boeing planes. Your statement is very sweeping in reaction to the Trent 1000 problems. It`s very unfortunate that
a production change to turbine coating was implemented, because not only is the coating defective, but in order to replace
the blades, the whole engine has to be stripped down to make the change, a very time consuming procedure. RR have
been doing their utmost to get these engines fixed & working with the airlines to lessen the impact of this situation.
Considering the reputation of the Trent 1000, RR should be pitied rather than castigated over this coating fiasco. This
is any engine manufacturers worst nightmare scenario, to bugger-up a perfectly reliable unit with a production issue.
Boeing won`t be happy, but they understand the value of having RR around, so you will see this solid liason continue.
 
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Re: LATAM B787-8 to the desert ( Victorville)

Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:49 pm

LATAM is leasing planes from Wamos Air while work is being done on these 787-8s engines. Some routes done by them are being covered by 767s which are being transferred from LATAM Ecuador and the routes done by these Wamos Air planes will be doing the routes left by the 767s.
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Re: LATAM B787-8 to the desert ( Victorville)

Mon Apr 09, 2018 5:54 am

CC-BBD is still at KVCV as of today (4-8-18). Engines and windows are covered for an extended stay.
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Re: LATAM B787-8 to the desert ( Victorville)

Mon Apr 09, 2018 6:10 am

Why is LATAM so slow getting these engines replaced? Compare NZ, they are almost back to normal now, wet leased (HiFly) aircraft are no longer required and even the frame that had in-flight failure is apparently nearly ready.
 
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Re: LATAM B787-8 to the desert ( Victorville)

Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:16 am

seat55a wrote:
Why is LATAM so slow getting these engines replaced? Compare NZ, they are almost back to normal now, wet leased (HiFly) aircraft are no longer required and even the frame that had in-flight failure is apparently nearly ready.


LATAM has many more 787 then Air New Zealand. ANZ's long haul fleet is primarily 777 but LATAM's Santiago base is mostly 787 for flights to the USA & Europe. Other LATAM hubs use 767 & 777 with a few A350's too.
 
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Re: LATAM B787-8 to the desert ( Victorville)

Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:20 am

A few years back BA and LAN flew 787 to VCV to have mods done by Boeing. Is it that time again
 
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Re: LATAM B787-8 to the desert ( Victorville)

Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:44 am

Goodyear wrote:
I doubt there will ever be a RR engine type offered again on any Boeing airplane. And rightly so.

I think your comment is a bit too far stretched. Each engine manufacturers have their fair share of problem in the past, and all aircraft manufacturers work together with their suppliers to solve any issues at hand. If Boeing will drop RR from any future aircraft development just because of Trent 1000 issue, PW (aircraft engine division at least) would have folded long time ago with the many debacles in last decade.
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Re: LATAM B787-8 to the desert ( Victorville)

Mon Apr 09, 2018 8:01 am

jfk777 wrote:
seat55a wrote:
Why is LATAM so slow getting these engines replaced? Compare NZ, they are almost back to normal now, wet leased (HiFly) aircraft are no longer required and even the frame that had in-flight failure is apparently nearly ready.


LATAM has many more 787 then Air New Zealand. ANZ's long haul fleet is primarily 777 but LATAM's Santiago base is mostly 787 for flights to the USA & Europe. Other LATAM hubs use 767 & 777 with a few A350's too.


LATAM has a much bigger total long haul fleet, but they seem to have a higher percentage of the 787 out of action for longer? And they are also having to lease to cover their schedule.

Is it about who has better relations with RR?
 
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Re: LATAM B787-8 to the desert ( Victorville)

Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:34 am

seat55a wrote:
jfk777 wrote:
seat55a wrote:
Why is LATAM so slow getting these engines replaced? Compare NZ, they are almost back to normal now, wet leased (HiFly) aircraft are no longer required and even the frame that had in-flight failure is apparently nearly ready.


LATAM has many more 787 then Air New Zealand. ANZ's long haul fleet is primarily 777 but LATAM's Santiago base is mostly 787 for flights to the USA & Europe. Other LATAM hubs use 767 & 777 with a few A350's too.


LATAM has a much bigger total long haul fleet, but they seem to have a higher percentage of the 787 out of action for longer? And they are also having to lease to cover their schedule.

Is it about who has better relations with RR?

I think it is more of engine spare supply and logistic matter. How close the airline is to nearest MRO centre or RR regional spare supply centre. I believe all customers are valuable to RR no matter how big or small the fleet the customer has. It also depends on how much spare capacity supply they airline may have. They may make their other fleet work harder. Doesn't LATAM has some 767 underutilised?
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Re: LATAM B787-8 to the desert ( Victorville)

Sat Apr 14, 2018 9:00 pm

juliuswong wrote:
seat55a wrote:
jfk777 wrote:

LATAM has many more 787 then Air New Zealand. ANZ's long haul fleet is primarily 777 but LATAM's Santiago base is mostly 787 for flights to the USA & Europe. Other LATAM hubs use 767 & 777 with a few A350's too.


LATAM has a much bigger total long haul fleet, but they seem to have a higher percentage of the 787 out of action for longer? And they are also having to lease to cover their schedule.

Is it about who has better relations with RR?

I think it is more of engine spare supply and logistic matter. How close the airline is to nearest MRO centre or RR regional spare supply centre. I believe all customers are valuable to RR no matter how big or small the fleet the customer has. It also depends on how much spare capacity supply they airline may have. They may make their other fleet work harder. Doesn't LATAM has some 767 underutilised?


Well, what LATAM is doing to cover up for the 787 flights from Santiago is using LATAM Ecuador's 767s, while those flights are covered with some Wamos Air A330s

I never quite understood why LATAM ordered the 787 with RRs, as they've always been GE and PW costumers.
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Re: LATAM B787-8 to the desert ( Victorville)

Sat Apr 14, 2018 9:52 pm

727200 wrote:
Except price. The deal that NW got on its order won't be repeated at this stage and I am positive if they tried to get that price, Boeing with such a huge back order would tell them to go pound sand. Not going to happen.

Delta are perfectly happy with their current fleet renewal. Their TechOps division is partnering Rolls Royce in a new overhaul centre for the Trent 7000 and Trent XWB.

As the Trent 1000 is not very much different to the 7000, there is the possibility DL TechOps can take external work. Nobody knows as yet, but DL don't want the 787.

No 787. Kaput. Nada. Deal with it.

The 797 though....that's a different bag of donuts. It could fit nicely beside the A333NEO fleet.
 
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Re: LATAM B787-8 to the desert ( Victorville)

Sat Apr 14, 2018 10:22 pm

Goodyear wrote:
I doubt there will ever be a RR engine type offered again on any Boeing airplane. And rightly so.


So.. what happens if GE screws up their next WB engine? All future Boeings WBs will go engineless?
 
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Re: LATAM B787-8 to the desert ( Victorville)

Sun Apr 15, 2018 6:18 am

Latam Chile is adjusting schedules and having extra metal back to SCL to deal with this temporal 787 issue.

They got a Wamos Air 330 and placed some 763 back in SCL. I have a flight from MEX in june and they already made changes, moving the flight from red eye to morning departures, etc.



It’s been a big deal apparently...


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Re: LATAM B787-8 to the desert ( Victorville)

Sun Apr 15, 2018 8:19 am

The situation reminds me of Royal Brunei, when all their four 787 were grounded due to some reason I can't recall now. Titan came to rescue with two 767/757. Sounds to me LATAM Chile fleet operation is heavily relying current fleet they have, all being operated tightly. Good thing is they have many subsidiaries fleet to play around with. Has LATAM Group started shedding 763ER fleet given that 787 delivery started a while back?

Btw, PT-MUI B77W has been put up for sell.
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Re: LATAM B787-8 to the desert ( Victorville)

Sun Apr 15, 2018 8:49 am

Goodyear wrote:
I doubt there will ever be a RR engine type offered again on any Boeing airplane. And rightly so.


Utter rubbish. Let’s just take a look at RR’s track record:

T500: sold over 600 units
T700: speaks fo itself, 60% market share, sold over 2500 units
T800: the engine of choice for the 777 until the LR and ER got exclusivity
T900: chosen by 10 of the 14 A380 operators
TXWB: record EIS reliability, the most efficient large engine in production

Boeing needs RR as does RR need Boeing.
 
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Re: LATAM B787-8 to the desert ( Victorville)

Sun Apr 15, 2018 9:10 am

RB211trent wrote:
Goodyear wrote:
I doubt there will ever be a RR engine type offered again on any Boeing airplane. And rightly so.


Utter rubbish. Let’s just take a look at RR’s track record:

T500: sold over 600 units
T700: speaks fo itself, 60% market share, sold over 2500 units
T800: the engine of choice for the 777 until the LR and ER got exclusivity
T900: chosen by 10 of the 14 A380 operators
TXWB: record EIS reliability, the most efficient large engine in production

Boeing needs RR as does RR need Boeing.

T500: Fitted on a plane that was obsolete shortly after introduction. High maintenance costs and RR acknowledged this when they decided to match GE90-115B's costs (too late, though).
T900 and T1000: Still having issues till date (its more than 10 years since Trent 900s came into service and 8 years since Trent 1000s came in)
T8104: Not chosen for the 77W which sold better than the A340.

GE seems to have a better track record, even with the initial GENx issues, which have been resolved.
 
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Re: LATAM B787-8 to the desert ( Victorville)

Sun Apr 15, 2018 10:00 am

jeffrey0032j wrote:
RB211trent wrote:
Goodyear wrote:
I doubt there will ever be a RR engine type offered again on any Boeing airplane. And rightly so.


Utter rubbish. Let’s just take a look at RR’s track record:

T500: sold over 600 units
T700: speaks fo itself, 60% market share, sold over 2500 units
T800: the engine of choice for the 777 until the LR and ER got exclusivity
T900: chosen by 10 of the 14 A380 operators
TXWB: record EIS reliability, the most efficient large engine in production

Boeing needs RR as does RR need Boeing.

T500: Fitted on a plane that was obsolete shortly after introduction. High maintenance costs and RR acknowledged this when they decided to match GE90-115B's costs (too late, though).
T900 and T1000: Still having issues till date (its more than 10 years since Trent 900s came into service and 8 years since Trent 1000s came in)
T8104: Not chosen for the 77W which sold better than the A340.

GE seems to have a better track record, even with the initial GENx issues, which have been resolved.


GE’s track record:
no Airbus widebody market at all
B747 just about ticking over
777 only because they did a deal to fund the development in exchange for exclusivity
787 yes they are doing well but their issues are not yet over, they are still having plenty of engine removals
 
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Re: LATAM B787-8 to the desert ( Victorville)

Sun Apr 15, 2018 1:46 pm

RB211trent wrote:
jeffrey0032j wrote:
RB211trent wrote:

Utter rubbish. Let’s just take a look at RR’s track record:

T500: sold over 600 units
T700: speaks fo itself, 60% market share, sold over 2500 units
T800: the engine of choice for the 777 until the LR and ER got exclusivity
T900: chosen by 10 of the 14 A380 operators
TXWB: record EIS reliability, the most efficient large engine in production

Boeing needs RR as does RR need Boeing.

T500: Fitted on a plane that was obsolete shortly after introduction. High maintenance costs and RR acknowledged this when they decided to match GE90-115B's costs (too late, though).
T900 and T1000: Still having issues till date (its more than 10 years since Trent 900s came into service and 8 years since Trent 1000s came in)
T8104: Not chosen for the 77W which sold better than the A340.

GE seems to have a better track record, even with the initial GENx issues, which have been resolved.


GE’s track record:
no Airbus widebody market at all
B747 just about ticking over
777 only because they did a deal to fund the development in exchange for exclusivity
787 yes they are doing well but their issues are not yet over, they are still having plenty of engine removals

Airbus widebody market - Aside from the A330/350 which is pure RR (equivalent to all of two batches worth of eggs in 1 basket), the only A380 customer now, EK, is looking at GP7200 again instead of the Trents. After the SQ birds and old EK orders are done, the rest could be purely powered by GP7200. Then again the Airbus planes account for less than half of the widebody market, so not too much of a concern for GE.

747 has a niche which nobody else can fill as a freighter.

787 GENx engine removal? Sources or juicy inside stories please? In any case even if there are any, it probably isn't too serious and won't take too long to fix, otherwise it would be in global news networks like how the RR Trents is right now.
 
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Re: LATAM B787-8 to the desert ( Victorville)

Mon Apr 16, 2018 5:06 pm

juliuswong wrote:
The situation reminds me of Royal Brunei, when all their four 787 were grounded due to some reason I can't recall now. Titan came to rescue with two 767/757. Sounds to me LATAM Chile fleet operation is heavily relying current fleet they have, all being operated tightly. Good thing is they have many subsidiaries fleet to play around with. Has LATAM Group started shedding 763ER fleet given that 787 delivery started a while back?

Btw, PT-MUI B77W has been put up for sell.


For the 767s, both CC-CZT and CC-CZU appear as stored, waiting for new owners. The rest of the fleet is still operating for the different branches.
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Re: LATAM B787-8 to the desert ( Victorville)

Mon Apr 16, 2018 5:18 pm

RB211trent wrote:
Goodyear wrote:
I doubt there will ever be a RR engine type offered again on any Boeing airplane. And rightly so.


Utter rubbish. Let’s just take a look at RR’s track record:

T500: sold over 600 units
T700: speaks fo itself, 60% market share, sold over 2500 units
T800: the engine of choice for the 777 until the LR and ER got exclusivity
T900: chosen by 10 of the 14 A380 operators
TXWB: record EIS reliability, the most efficient large engine in production

Boeing needs RR as does RR need Boeing.


Since when was the T800 the engine of choice for the 777 other than the 77W and 77L?

Trent 500 was plagued with high maintenance cost on a failing aircraft

Trent 700 ran away with the A330
Trent 800 had a solid run on the 777
Trent 900/1000 are having issues years after EIS.
Trent XWB seems to be solid so far.

RR is not in danger of being shunned like PW ought to be but they really can’t screw up the RR Advance and Ultrafan.
 
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Re: LATAM B787-8 to the desert ( Victorville)

Mon Apr 16, 2018 5:43 pm

ikolkyo wrote:
RB211trent wrote:
Goodyear wrote:
I doubt there will ever be a RR engine type offered again on any Boeing airplane. And rightly so.


Utter rubbish. Let’s just take a look at RR’s track record:

T500: sold over 600 units
T700: speaks fo itself, 60% market share, sold over 2500 units
T800: the engine of choice for the 777 until the LR and ER got exclusivity
T900: chosen by 10 of the 14 A380 operators
TXWB: record EIS reliability, the most efficient large engine in production

Boeing needs RR as does RR need Boeing.


Since when was the T800 the engine of choice for the 777 other than the 77W and 77L?

Trent 500 was plagued with high maintenance cost on a failing aircraft

Trent 700 ran away with the A330
Trent 800 had a solid run on the 777
Trent 900/1000 are having issues years after EIS.
Trent XWB seems to be solid so far.

RR is not in danger of being shunned like PW ought to be but they really can’t screw up the RR Advance and Ultrafan.


Before the 300ER and 200LR the Trent 800 had 41% market share on the 777, GE’s financial might was the only way they managed to get on the later developments. Plus the T900 is not having major issues, not sure where this info is coming from
 
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Re: LATAM B787-8 to the desert ( Victorville)

Mon Apr 16, 2018 5:47 pm

Please keep this thread on topic, otherwise it will be locked.
 
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Re: LATAM B787-8 to Victorville (RR engine issues)

Tue Apr 17, 2018 9:04 am

So if more and more 787s have problems with engines, will also 748s be affected?
That's a bloodbath for RR, sure lessors and owning carriers will sue RR for not having the plane at disposal, as a non productive asset who loses value day after day - and after those issues more and more day by day.
And I've read of wing root crack issues, that's a serious problem, anyone has more information about this?
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Re: LATAM B787-8 to Victorville (RR engine issues)

Tue Apr 17, 2018 9:21 am

FatCat wrote:
So if more and more 787s have problems with engines, will also 748s be affected?
That's a bloodbath for RR, sure lessors and owning carriers will sue RR for not having the plane at disposal, as a non productive asset who loses value day after day - and after those issues more and more day by day.
And I've read of wing root crack issues, that's a serious problem, anyone has more information about this?

RR doesn't have engines on the 747-8.

The wing root crack issues happened in 2014 on a limited number of planes, this has already been fixed.
 
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Re: LATAM B787-8 to Victorville (RR engine issues)

Tue Apr 17, 2018 9:24 am

You're absolutely right - my bad.
748 has the GEnX.
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