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Wed Aug 15, 2018 7:07 pm

As an interesting note, lately Amazon has been improving on the shipping time on my Puerto Rico orders, reducing the processing time and using USPS Priority Mail instead of ParcelPool/International Bridge. I wonder if Amazon is trying to get people in Puerto Rico to have more of their money's worth of their Prime membership considering the price increase.
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Hello, talking about N1619A, conversion is ready but still some maintenance work to do on it!
For N1487A working is in progress.

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fify wrote:
Hello, talking about N1619A, conversion is ready but still some maintenance work to do on it!
For N1487A working is in progress.

Welcome to a.net.

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1. Edit the post with the pencil or
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A little corrosion in an old airframe is :yawn:

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Fify: I think Lightsaber was letting you know that as a knowledgeable industry professional, we like getting information from you, and that if you inadvertently say too much, you can edit your post, or, if it's too late for that, you can email the moderators and they can delete or change it.
 
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What's up with N1511A lately? Bouncing around between AFW, SBD, CNW (Waco, TX), and a few other places. Is it in full Prime Air livery?
 
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What's up with N1511A lately? Bouncing around between AFW, SBD, CNW (Waco, TX), and a few other places. Is it in full Prime Air livery?


I'm not sure that N1511A is at the moment (yet?) leased to Amazon. Particularly in light of Atlas's pilot situation, not all the NxxxxA aircraft are leased to Amazon and even those that will be are not part of the actual leased-to-Amazon fleet the moment they arrive back from conversion and painting. Some are used by Atlas as maintenance spares for a time before being officially leased to Amazon. Earlier on, Atlas actually used some recently-converted planes on their own military and other assignments until Amazon leased them. Once they are dry-leased to Amazon, Amazon is serious about the fact that they may be flown only for Amazon purposes without express permission for any other use. So if this aircraft is flying military or other non-Amazon-contracted flights, it is either something that Amazon expressly authorized (an example might be a humanitarian flight or some such), or the aircraft is temporarily being leased to Atlas Air by Titan or Andromeda or whatever other Atlas subsidiary or investment vehicle actually owns the aircraft.
 
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What is Atlas's pilot situation? Are you implying that they are under-staffed or under-using assets due to staffing?
 
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Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:56 am

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Optimism by Atlas? I haven't heard even a whisper that Amazon is currently planning beyond the 40 767s.

Perhaps there is an option for Atlas to acquire the ATSG fleet component of the contract.
 
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wjcandee wrote:
Optimism by Atlas? I haven't heard even a whisper that Amazon is currently planning beyond the 40 767s.

Perhaps there is an option for Atlas to acquire the ATSG fleet component of the contract.


Amazon would not want Atlas to do that.
 
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353AZ ferried to GYR a little over a week ago. Normally, that's where ATSG has its aircraft painted (as well as other Dean Baldwin locations). Touch-up? New paint scheme? Something else? (MRO is usually done on these CAM-owned aircraft at KILN.)
 
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353AZ ferried to GYR a little over a week ago. Normally, that's where ATSG has its aircraft painted (as well as other Dean Baldwin locations). Touch-up? New paint scheme? Something else? (MRO is usually done on these CAM-owned aircraft at KILN.)


353 was damaged in ONT and went to GYR for structural repairs. I heard it was a K Loader from one person and a belt loader from another, so not exactly sure but if it was enough to require repairs like that, I’d guess it wasn’t a belt loader.
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wjcandee wrote:
353AZ ferried to GYR a little over a week ago. Normally, that's where ATSG has its aircraft painted (as well as other Dean Baldwin locations). Touch-up? New paint scheme? Something else? (MRO is usually done on these CAM-owned aircraft at KILN.)


353 was damaged in ONT and went to GYR for structural repairs. I heard it was a K Loader from one person and a belt loader from another, so not exactly sure but if it was enough to require repairs like that, I’d guess it wasn’t a belt loader.


Thanks!!

Wonder who does the ground handling at ONT... Is it LGSTX?
 
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Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:22 pm

wjcandee wrote:
Acey559 wrote:
wjcandee wrote:
353AZ ferried to GYR a little over a week ago. Normally, that's where ATSG has its aircraft painted (as well as other Dean Baldwin locations). Touch-up? New paint scheme? Something else? (MRO is usually done on these CAM-owned aircraft at KILN.)


353 was damaged in ONT and went to GYR for structural repairs. I heard it was a K Loader from one person and a belt loader from another, so not exactly sure but if it was enough to require repairs like that, I’d guess it wasn’t a belt loader.


Thanks!!

Wonder who does the ground handling at ONT... Is it LGSTX?


Not LGSTX. It’s been a while since I’ve been out there, but I want to say it was something Terminal Services. Can’t remember for sure. I don’t believe it’s Pinnacle either, though I could be wrong.
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Wed Aug 22, 2018 7:00 am

So N1499A is done with conversion and paint at TPE and is on its way back to CONUS tonight, 8/22/18.

Also on the Atlas side, N1619A and N1487A are still in TLV for conversion. Been there almost 9 months now.

ATSG has 3 in conversion at the moment (369AA, 373AA, 930WE), and at least two (830WE and 730WE) waiting as feedstock, with two completed aircraft now at ILN (377AN, 373AN).
 
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N1619A should be out on a test flight later today, pending maintenance delays
 
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N1619A should be out on a test flight later today, pending maintenance delays


Excellent, Yochai! Thanks for the update!
 
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Wed Aug 22, 2018 11:00 pm

Could we see a return of the SMF flights to SCK? Found a notice they put out to extend the cargo area. Includes:
A 190,000 sqft of cargo apron
2x cargo sorting facilities totaling 187,500 sqft
2x truck staging, circulation, and loading area totaling 452,000 sqft
Over 100,000 sqft of car parking

Can be found here to download http://flystockton.com/public-notices/ and some work started on google maps. A lot to build with no customer lined up...*COUGH*
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Could we see a return of the SMF flights to SCK? Found a notice they put out to extend the cargo area. Includes:
A 190,000 sqft of cargo apron
2x cargo sorting facilities totaling 187,500 sqft
2x truck staging, circulation, and loading area totaling 452,000 sqft
Over 100,000 sqft of car parking

Can be found here to download http://flystockton.com/public-notices/ and some work started on google maps. A lot to build with no customer lined up...*COUGH*


Nice find, my friend!

Well, there are still two flights per day on GTI: CVG-SCK-CVG and CVG-SCK-ONT

My impression is that none of the area airports are exactly-perfect, SFO, OAK, SMF, SCK. SCK has some serious fog problems at certain times of year, as well as obviously-limited facilities. More facilities might attract more flights as the network grows. Or maybe the airport authority has a firm or quiet commitment for more business if certain facilities were in place.

This map is interesting: https://flystockton.com/floodplainmap/

It shows the new facilities just as blocks, of parking, apron and buildings, and it is evident that this is a significant expansion with parking spots for 8 or more aircraft as well as appropriate sheltered sorting and work space and truck parking facilities sufficient for that number of aircraft.
 
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Thu Aug 23, 2018 1:17 am

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nikeson13 wrote:
Could we see a return of the SMF flights to SCK? Found a notice they put out to extend the cargo area. Includes:
A 190,000 sqft of cargo apron
2x cargo sorting facilities totaling 187,500 sqft
2x truck staging, circulation, and loading area totaling 452,000 sqft
Over 100,000 sqft of car parking

Can be found here to download http://flystockton.com/public-notices/ and some work started on google maps. A lot to build with no customer lined up...*COUGH*


Nice find, my friend!

Well, there are still two flights per day on GTI: CVG-SCK-CVG and CVG-SCK-ONT

My impression is that none of the area airports are exactly-perfect, SFO, OAK, SMF, SCK. SCK has some serious fog problems at certain times of year, as well as obviously-limited facilities. More facilities might attract more flights as the network grows. Or maybe the airport authority has a firm or quiet commitment for more business if certain facilities were in place.

This map is interesting: https://flystockton.com/floodplainmap/

It shows the new facilities just as blocks, of parking, apron and buildings, and it is evident that this is a significant expansion with parking spots for 8 or more aircraft as well as appropriate sheltered sorting and work space and truck parking facilities sufficient for that number of aircraft.

Wow, missed that map! looks very interesting, I see two essential things if SCK want to be a cargo hub for the Bay Area (which they can):
- Buy out all the land East of the airport, allowing for expanding taxiways along the E side of the runway and more room for growth (and bigger cargo sorting).
- Upgrade the ILS. Not sure if it is either a cat-I or cat-II, but it needs to be cat-III to beat the fog.
Of the two, ILS should be a priority but it is expensive. Maybe 2019 AIP grant???
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Thu Aug 23, 2018 5:15 am

SCK is CAT I only. The issue is that the existing ILS is to 29R, which is in use most of the year. Unfortunately, when the ILS is really needed is during the winter when the rain/fog/low ceilings settle in....and the winds favor 11L. There’s an RNAV approach to 11L, but that only gets you so much. Truthfully, I miss flying to SCK and wish them well. My first flight at ATI was ILN-SCK and I spent a lot of time there as a new-hire. Of course, right when I was senior enough to bid international trips and stopped going to SCK, we switched hotels and it became a popular AMZ layover. Then we quit flying there altogether. Cest la vie.
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Thu Aug 23, 2018 2:09 pm

N1619A is in the air on an air test, should be delivered tomorrow morning to KPSM
 
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Apperantly N313AZ is in a special livery since it came out of ILN today.
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Fri Aug 24, 2018 3:12 am

Also does anyone know what the deal is with N380AN, is it going to ATSG as well? It was the one that flew directly from ROW-SNN. Don’t know if it is going to ATSG or not. Just wondering
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CM: N380AN is going directly to Cargojet. It was reported somewhere that Cargojet had bought it and was managing the conversion itself. Other than Bank of Utah as the interim owner, I don't see any fingerprints of CAM on this, which is not the usual thing with the ex-AA aircraft. CAM did place a 767 - 300 with Cargojet in November, but is far from its exclusive supplier. Other major lessors all seem to have frames there. AWAS, AerCap and Guggenheim (and their successor companies).
 
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Apperantly N313AZ is in a special livery since it came out of ILN today.


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Fri Aug 24, 2018 4:42 am

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cmairplaneman wrote:
Apperantly N313AZ is in a special livery since it came out of ILN today.


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Fri Aug 24, 2018 5:16 am

I saw it in CVG today. From the hotel shuttle I thought someone scrubbed the blue off the fuselage. As we drove past it I saw the left fuselage and the gold in the sun and realized it was shiny and not matte. Pretty cool looking. Also, Amazon is naming all the planes now. ATI has the first one, named Peculi ‘Air. I think air has to be in every name (a la JetBlue with ‘blue’). There’s a YouTube video of them painting the name by the door.
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Wow! Thanks, Allee! I had long said that I thought the tail smile should have been in yellow. Gold will do for now. :-)

Acey, the naming thing is cool, and indicates a certain affection for the operation from Amazon management, which is good. However, the first choice of name is kinda negative, almost forced. The JetBlue names are all positive, as were, in their own way, all the "pig" names that TWA unofficially had for its 727s. (An A.net poster named asqx was kind enough to list some 70 of them (out of 90) in a post 16 years ago, which is at this link and worth a look: viewtopic.php?t=132063 .) The pig names came from the fact that the pilots affectionately called them "flying pigs", and the "pig" names started popping up in log books and baggage holds.

You had to love the TWA folks -- every one I knew had personality to spare, and an affection for their airline that was lost at a place like AA. My friend Captain Randy was one-of-a-kind.

Ozone Oinker
Bacon Bomber
My Hammy Vice
Lard Above

and over 80 more...

They were all wonderfully-creative names, with no negative connotations.
 
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Candidly, finding good "air" words isn't going to be easy. Plainly, no marketing/PR person came up with this idea. What are they going to use?

Needs repAIR.
BillionAIRe.
ImpAIRed (when ABX craters during Peak)
Bring the stAIRs
Our prices are fAIR
Don't dispAIR
There's a hAIR in my soup.
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Hopefully, someone creative will come up with some positive marketing words with "air" in them, because all I can think of is ExtraordinAIRe.
 
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Fri Aug 24, 2018 8:34 am

One other thing about 313AZ. That work looks like paint, rather than decals, particularly on the tail. I didn't realize that anybody did painting at ILN, and it looks like this was done while 313 was at ILN for a c-check. It sure didn't fly anywhere else.
 
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N1217A has been namend CustomAir Obsession
 
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Fri Aug 24, 2018 1:01 pm

I saw N313AZ at ILN in the standard amazon paint last month in the hangar. Didn’t realize that they did paint there as well. Maybe they are decals?
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Does anyone one have more recent pics of any of the jet undergoing conversion or complete before painting
 
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I was told the gold is just a decal, but you know how pilots are about getting information correct ;)
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I was told the gold is just a decal, but you know how pilots are about getting information correct ;)


It certainly makes sense, given that they do put decals on at ILN; just wasn't aware of them having the ability to do real paint.
 
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N1217A has been namend CustomAir Obsession


Oh, Lord. They're making my point.

Wouldn't "Prime" have been a better word to use?
 
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Wow! Thanks, Allee! I had long said that I thought the tail smile should have been in yellow. Gold will do for now. :-)

Acey, the naming thing is cool, and indicates a certain affection for the operation from Amazon management, which is good. However, the first choice of name is kinda negative, almost forced. The JetBlue names are all positive, as were, in their own way, all the "pig" names that TWA unofficially had for its 727s. (An A.net poster named asqx was kind enough to list some 70 of them (out of 90) in a post 16 years ago, which is at this link and worth a look: viewtopic.php?t=132063 .) The pig names came from the fact that the pilots affectionately called them "flying pigs", and the "pig" names started popping up in log books and baggage holds.

You had to love the TWA folks -- every one I knew had personality to spare, and an affection for their airline that was lost at a place like AA. My friend Captain Randy was one-of-a-kind.

Ozone Oinker
Bacon Bomber
My Hammy Vice
Lard Above

and over 80 more...

They were all wonderfully-creative names, with no negative connotations.



Wonderful stuff WJ. I wonder if some of those Pilots didn't come out of the WW 2 Era and named some of their bombers with some of the great names in Bomber history.
 
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Sat Aug 25, 2018 8:26 pm

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N1217A has been namend CustomAir Obsession


Oh, Lord. They're making my point.

Wouldn't "Prime" have been a better word to use?


a play on "customer obsession"... but that said.. other note, Amazon last year officially doesn't refer to the air freight side as PrimeAir.. it's Amazon Air (despite the planes still getting painted as PrimeAir)... Prime Air is officially the UAV/Drone side of things and Amazon Air are all our jets... hence the "Air" in the name
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CM: N380AN is going directly to Cargojet. It was reported somewhere that Cargojet had bought it and was managing the conversion itself. Other than Bank of Utah as the interim owner, .


The owner is Cargojet. Aircraft placed in trust with Bank of Utah while on the US register.
 
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wjcandee wrote:
KLM747er wrote:
N1217A has been namend CustomAir Obsession


Oh, Lord. They're making my point.

Wouldn't "Prime" have been a better word to use?


a play on "customer obsession"... but that said.. other note, Amazon last year officially doesn't refer to the air freight side as PrimeAir.. it's Amazon Air (despite the planes still getting painted as PrimeAir)... Prime Air is officially the UAV/Drone side of things and Amazon Air are all our jets... hence the "Air" in the name


I get it, and I knew that, but I'm just bracing for 38 other lame names...
 
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So N1619A is finally done with conversion at TLV, and flew TLV-PSM-AMA today (8/25/18) for paint. Arrived TLV 11/30/17. So that was a 9-month project.

The last 767-300 for Atlas/Amazon-Air that is currently in conversion is N1487A at TLV. It arrived there about 5 days after 1619A, so hopefully will be finished relatively-soon.
 
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N730WE scheduled into TLV on Wednesday afternoon
 
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N730WE scheduled into TLV on Wednesday afternoon


Thank you, Yochai! I was thinking that 730WE or 830WE might be on the way to you soon. Great to know!
 
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Well N730WE is taking a different route. Stopping on an island south of India and I guess from there Tel Aviv. 930WE flew to Wilmington first so this is interesting
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Well N730WE is taking a different route. Stopping on an island south of India and I guess from there Tel Aviv. 930WE flew to Wilmington first so this is interesting


Nice trip for the ferry crew. Nothing like a nice rest in the Maldives. Probably less fun: taking a just-out-of-mothballs aircraft across the Indian Ocean. But I suspect that these contract crews have big clanking danglers.
 
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wjcandee wrote:
353AZ ferried to GYR a little over a week ago. Normally, that's where ATSG has its aircraft painted (as well as other Dean Baldwin locations). Touch-up? New paint scheme? Something else? (MRO is usually done on these CAM-owned aircraft at KILN.)


353 was damaged in ONT and went to GYR for structural repairs. I heard it was a K Loader from one person and a belt loader from another, so not exactly sure but if it was enough to require repairs like that, I’d guess it wasn’t a belt loader.


It looks like 353 has been fixed after its ramp rash incident and ferried GYR-DFW as ATN9300 on Aug 31.
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Acey559 wrote:
wjcandee wrote:
353AZ ferried to GYR a little over a week ago. Normally, that's where ATSG has its aircraft painted (as well as other Dean Baldwin locations). Touch-up? New paint scheme? Something else? (MRO is usually done on these CAM-owned aircraft at KILN.)


353 was damaged in ONT and went to GYR for structural repairs. I heard it was a K Loader from one person and a belt loader from another, so not exactly sure but if it was enough to require repairs like that, I’d guess it wasn’t a belt loader.


It looks like 353 has been fixed after its ramp rash incident and ferried GYR-DFW as ATN9300 on Aug 31.


Yep! Three weeks out of service and the good folks at GYR got her repaired properly. She has been flying Amazon stuff since Friday night/Saturday morning. Flew to Dallas and then in service 8 hours later.

Apparently that ramp rash was severe enough that a little Joe Patroni Speed Tape wasn't enough to get her back in the air. Three weeks at GYR is probably cause for a certain K-loader driver to get a little spanking.
 
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353 was damaged in ONT and went to GYR for structural repairs. I heard it was a K Loader from one person and a belt loader from another, so not exactly sure but if it was enough to require repairs like that, I’d guess it wasn’t a belt loader.


It looks like 353 has been fixed after its ramp rash incident and ferried GYR-DFW as ATN9300 on Aug 31.


Yep! Three weeks out of service and the good folks at GYR got her repaired properly. She has been flying Amazon stuff since Friday night/Saturday morning. Flew to Dallas and then in service 8 hours later.

Apparently that ramp rash was severe enough that a little Joe Patroni Speed Tape wasn't enough to get her back in the air. Three weeks at GYR is probably cause for a certain K-loader driver to get a little spanking.


A few years back Fedex had a loader doink a lower cargo door on an A310 bad enough that the airframe was just ferried unpressurized to VCV and permanently parked. 3 weeks a bit of time for just skin and stringer work so might not have been quite as minor as we first thought. Good to see it back in the air.
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Re: Amazon Fleet Growth - 2018

Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:11 am

I was pleased to see that Amazon has maintained two flights a week on their own metal (Atlas) between ONT and HNL. You probably already know that a good chunk of Hawaii Amazon packages flow on other carriers. I believe that the daily Aloha Cargo flight (flown by ATI for now) between LAX and HNL, for example, carries a fair bit of Amazon. Even though the Aloha/ATI flight has been using 399CM exclusively (because it's dry-leased to Aloha Cargo by CAM), the airframe seems to be handling those 10+ hours per day just fine. The former 382AN, 25 years old, has been in service since November.

I did notice that Atlas had an issue on Sunday with the aircraft it was using on the route, requiring an air return to ONT.
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Growth - 2018

Wed Sep 05, 2018 4:24 pm

I am curious about the economics of Prime and Hawaii. Does Amazon use marine shipping to maintain stock somewhere in Hawaii? What is the availability of cargo space on planes inter island? Marine shipping can be pretty expensive. I understand some but not all items are available via Prime. Walmart and Costco would seem to face similar problems in shipping problems.

There probably are some academic papers on this sort of thing. Oddly, here in the Northwest there is a similar problem. Vancouver Island has a decently large population, but no possibility of a bridge to the mainland. One person told me that trucking and barges pretty much split the transportation market.
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