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Mon Jul 09, 2018 2:55 am

Allee: Amazing that they're now down to only 3 762s flying for DHL. There are 14 on the certificate, not counting 792. Six are tasked to Amazon. So that leaves 5 for other stuff (although, of course, they aren't strictly-speaking always assigned to a particular task). Also remarkable is how much of ABX's work now is just straight-up anybody-can-do-it ACMI to South America, some of which is likely going away. At least the 767-300s are mostly used on DHL (7 of 9).

I think what you're saying is that the 767-200 leases might indeed be extended but that the current "DHL three" might end up just going to the Middle East. That's possible, but I think there will be more available as more South American flying winds down, so it would be worth ATSG's while to send other aircraft overseas and do what's necessary to keep leasing AND flying those three. And DHL likely knows that. OTOH, at this point replacing 3 767-200s with newly-converted 767-300s from other carriers would be a piece of cake. With the less-expensive work rules elsewhere, the net net might be similar.

(Thanks for the observation about the "put" aircraft. I didn't mean to say that all the "put" aircraft went to Atlas, but rather that all the 767-200 aircraft that went to Atlas were "puts". In other words, DHL took the aircraft they were forced to buy and transferred them to another operator.)
 
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Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:34 am

And N1489A is in service starting today. Delivered last Friday, 6/29, from TPE.
 
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Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:59 am

Next CAM conversion, 383AN, took a test flight today from TLV-TLV. Maybe coming home soon. Arrived at TLV exactly 5 months ago.
 
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1217A is on its way to VQQ today. Maint, perhaps? https://flightaware.com/live/flight/GTI ... /KCVG/KVQQ
 
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1217A is on its way to VQQ today. Maint, perhaps? https://flightaware.com/live/flight/GTI ... /KCVG/KVQQ


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Sat Jul 21, 2018 8:14 pm

VQQ has Flightstar there, a significant MRO and conversion house. They do a lot of work for DL, for example. It's gonna be for maintenance. I just didn't want to assume, but I'm sure that's what it is.
 
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Tue Jul 24, 2018 3:54 pm

The most-recently-completed CAM conversion, N377AN, should be coming back to ILN from paint at GUS today, 7/24/18. Took a couple of extra days beyond the usual 2 weeks.

Not sure to which airline this one is going, so if anybody can snap a photo or describe the livery, it would be most-appreciated.

Meanwhile, the next CAM conversion to be completed, N383AN, did a second test flight today TLV-TLV, about 2 hours. It previously did one last Wednesday, so I'm thinking that this frame should now be on the way back to the US in the next couple of days.
 
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Wed Jul 25, 2018 12:49 am

Well looks like N377AN will be changing tail numbers, it'll be N366CM, unknown to me the paint scheme it is in. Maybe i'll get a photo of it soon.
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Wed Jul 25, 2018 8:01 am

N383AN heading to SNN in about 1 hour
 
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Wed Jul 25, 2018 8:21 am

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N383AN heading to SNN in about 1 hour


Awesome, Yochai!

How are the two Atlas birds coming along? (N1487A and N1619A. Been at TLV since 12/5/17 and 11/30/17, respectively, almost 8 months...)
 
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Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:40 pm

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N383AN heading to SNN in about 1 hour


Awesome, Yochai!

How are the two Atlas birds coming along? (N1487A and N1619A. Been at TLV since 12/5/17 and 11/30/17, respectively, almost 8 months...)

Yeah I’m also curious.
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Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:48 pm

I am wondering about these 2 as well...they are still being worked on.
 
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Wed Jul 25, 2018 3:53 pm

Hello, talking about N1619A, conversion is ready but still some maintenance work to do on it!
For N1487A working is in progress.
 
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Thank you FIFY!! Very valuable first post on A.net!!!

The frame has had an interesting history; maybe it needed a little more TLC than the others... (Aeroflot to TWA to American, then to STP, then a decade at Euroatlantic, operating for numerous carriers.)

Whiplash6 had a good post earlier in the thread about how Atlas addresses the cockpit and equipment variations among the now-many-sources of its Amazon aircraft. One that I didn't ask was switch logic: I know that TWA (and several European airlines) used the "down for off, up for on" convention, whereas most American carriers (and American-influenced carriers like KAL and JAL), use "forward for on, aft for off", which corresponds to "down for on, up for off". This seems like a huge human factors issue in an emergency, and was something commented on when AA brought aboard the TWA aircraft. Like many things, I think it was handled by just expecting the pilots to deal with it, but still...

I can't recall ever seeing that switch logic was addressed by changing the switches in certain acquired aircraft, so I assume that switch logic is just one more thing on Atlas's PDF about aircraft differences, but I thought it was a worthy question.
 
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Wed Jul 25, 2018 5:56 pm

Welcome wj! I'm reading this thread since the begining, I worked on more than half airplanes converted until now on Bedek B763ER Project, from 4X-AGM (actual C-FMIJ) to the present. N1619A was found with some corrosion spots and need few extra working days, but I would say usual problems for airplanes +20 years old :) I don't know how much this will count for delivery but everything seems to be ok.
 
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Wed Jul 25, 2018 9:44 pm

Thank you Fify! One of the great things about a.net is the input of experienced professionals such as yourself. The 767ER project has handled so many aircraft the past few years; it's a great success and must be exciting to work on!

I look forward to your contributions in the future! Thank you again!
 
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Fri Jul 27, 2018 9:21 pm

Ok. N377AN is at ILN with a plain white paint scheme and N383AN is back to ILN with no paint job yet. N712AX was moved in a different spot which I find interesting.
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Fri Jul 27, 2018 9:39 pm

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Ok. N377AN is at ILN with a plain white paint scheme and N383AN is back to ILN with no paint job yet. N712AX was moved in a different spot which I find interesting.


Thank you!! Nice to know that 712 is mobile at least... :-)

Was hoping for something exciting on 377, but I guess not for now.

Looks like 383 came to ILN this morning after customs at CVG, then tried to fly to ROW for paint in the afternoon, only to divert back to ILN after being in the air about an hour. Guess she needs a little more work...
 
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Fri Jul 27, 2018 9:56 pm

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cmairplaneman wrote:
Ok. N377AN is at ILN with a plain white paint scheme and N383AN is back to ILN with no paint job yet. N712AX was moved in a different spot which I find interesting.


Thank you!! Nice to know that 712 is mobile at least... :-)

Was hoping for something exciting on 377, but I guess not for now.

Looks like 383 came to ILN this morning after customs at CVG, then tried to fly to ROW for paint in the afternoon, only to divert back to ILN after being in the air about an hour. Guess she needs a little more work...


Yes unfortunately couldn't get pictures of the planes. I didn't even realize 383 was supposed to leave today. Maybe it'll leave tomorrow and I could get a photo of her. I really hope something is done with 712AX now that they moved it in a position. I even think they moved it today before I got there. N768VA moved again to the storage yard. Sitting next to a DC-8 I believe. The old DC-9 is still sitting by itself. Maybe N377AN will be a float airplane between different operations, it'll get the new tail number N366CM
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Fri Jul 27, 2018 10:12 pm

Well never mind on getting a photo of N383AN. It is currently en route to ROW
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Well never mind on getting a photo of N383AN. It is currently en route to ROW


Guess it was a quick fix.
 
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Well looks like N377AN will be changing tail numbers, it'll be N366CM, unknown to me the paint scheme it is in. Maybe i'll get a photo of it soon.


Indeed! It was kind of uncertain when (or whether) these number changes that we had heard about would occur.

But the FAA web site now shows that the recently-converted CAM 767-300s will have number changes.

As CM said, 377AN will be 366CM.
374AA will be 351CM
376AN will be 344CM

As to the 30WEST aircraft (those 3 767-300s that 30WEST had purchased from ANZ), it looks like the ultimate destination for all 3 will indeed be CAM.

We knew that 930WE was purchased by CAM and sent to TLV for conversion. However, 830WE and 730WE were not purchased at the same time as 930WE, and 30WEST continued to show them as available for sale or lease. Recently, 30WEST showed them on its web site as "in contract" to someone, and a press release indicated that they were sold together to one buyer. The FAA web site now shows 730WE as registered to CAM. (It is stored in Alice Springs, Australia.) So it follows that 830WE will also go to CAM.
 
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Great to hear 730 and 830 are coming to ILN.
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cmairplaneman wrote:
Well looks like N377AN will be changing tail numbers, it'll be N366CM, unknown to me the paint scheme it is in. Maybe i'll get a photo of it soon.


Indeed! It was kind of uncertain when (or whether) these number changes that we had heard about would occur.

But the FAA web site now shows that the recently-converted CAM 767-300s will have number changes.

As CM said, 377AN will be 366CM.
374AA will be 351CM
376AN will be 344CM

As to the 30WEST aircraft (those 3 767-300s that 30WEST had purchased from ANZ), it looks like the ultimate destination for all 3 will indeed be CAM.

We knew that 930WE was purchased by CAM and sent to TLV for conversion. However, 830WE and 730WE were not purchased at the same time as 930WE, and 30WEST continued to show them as available for sale or lease. Recently, 30WEST showed them on its web site as "in contract" to someone, and a press release indicated that they were sold together to one buyer. The FAA web site now shows 730WE as registered to CAM. (It is stored in Alice Springs, Australia.) So it follows that 830WE will also go to CAM.


Good to hear 730 and 830 are coming to ILN.
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Sat Aug 04, 2018 1:55 pm

Amazon Prime Air will be operating flights at RIV beginning on or about November 1st. The plan initially calls for 3 flights daily thru 2023 (early schedule below), then increasing to 5 flights daily in 2023 (schedule TBD). The operating agreement extends for 10 years and permits two 5-year extensions. The company stated in a meeting these flights are moving from ONT to relieve some of the pressure they are experiencing there as those operations pick up.

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Sat Aug 04, 2018 4:51 pm

Can Anyone tell me what the Prime Air schedule is in PHX?
 
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Very interesting. Amazon was certainly developing a large presence at ONT; too bad it all couldn't fit right now. RIV is only 20 minutes away by car, and certainly has the airport infrastructure (runways 13,300 by 200 feet) to handle the business. The question is whether Amazon will move it all back to ONT after making improvements there. I assume that the issue is not what the airport operations can handle (even 20 flights a day shouldn't be a big deal), but rather what the landside facilities can handle. ONT is a lot busier than it was some time ago, with the substantial WN presence, but it is hardly swamped.

Since breaking away from LAWA a few years ago, ONT's new airport authority has been aggressive in trying to boost revenue generally and put dormant assets (like surrounding land) to use, so I can't imagine that they won't be bending over backwards to support the Amazon Air operation. Unlike LAWA, which overtly stated that they wanted to maximize business at LAX (to fund its renovation in part through maximizing traffic and, therefore, landing fees), regardless of its effect on its other airports, and which was a relatively-inefficient operator of ONT (featherbedded employees for most support services), the airport authority seems very businesslike.

Will be interesting to see where this goes. I'm sure the folks at March are also interested in the business.
 
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Sun Aug 05, 2018 12:56 pm

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Re: Moving to March ARB

Very interesting. Amazon was certainly developing a large presence at ONT; too bad it all couldn't fit right now. RIV is only 20 minutes away by car, and certainly has the airport infrastructure (runways 13,300 by 200 feet) to handle the business. The question is whether Amazon will move it all back to ONT after making improvements there. I assume that the issue is not what the airport operations can handle (even 20 flights a day shouldn't be a big deal), but rather what the landside facilities can handle. ONT is a lot busier than it was some time ago, with the substantial WN presence, but it is hardly swamped.

Since breaking away from LAWA a few years ago, ONT's new airport authority has been aggressive in trying to boost revenue generally and put dormant assets (like surrounding land) to use, so I can't imagine that they won't be bending over backwards to support the Amazon Air operation. Unlike LAWA, which overtly stated that they wanted to maximize business at LAX (to fund its renovation in part through maximizing traffic and, therefore, landing fees), regardless of its effect on its other airports, and which was a relatively-inefficient operator of ONT (featherbedded employees for most support services), the airport authority seems very businesslike.

Will be interesting to see where this goes. I'm sure the folks at March are also interested in the business.


It would be interesting to see where the Amazon fulfillment centers are in the basin. It's not like the Amazon cargo flying into March is going to be trucked to ONT... but rather that all cargo flying into ONT or March is going to be trucked to the appropriate fulfillment center.

A lot of the boxes I see on the pallets coming in and out of ONT are marked ONT6 and ONT8. I always assumed those FCs were adjacent to the ONT airport.
 
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ONT6 and ONT8 are adjacent to RIV, only a few blocks away from the ramp area.
 
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I mentioned the drive time between the two just so people could have a sense of how far apart they are or are not.

I myself was thinking about drive time as relevant to how convenient it would be for the airlines (primarily Atlas) to move pilots between the airports when necessary.
 
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Sun Aug 05, 2018 4:26 pm

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ONT6 and ONT8 are adjacent to RIV, only a few blocks away from the ramp area.


ONT8 is actually a crossdock for inbound shipments to fulfillment centers to the Inland Empire. The airport codes used for the fulfillment centers don't necessarily always refer to the nearest airport. The oldest fulfillment center currently operating in the Inland Empire is ONT2 in San Bernardino. Once Amazon ran out of ONT codes they started to use SNA, and now most recently LGB.

Amazon has four fulfillment centers in San Bernardino (ONT2, ONT5, SNA7, and SNA8), one in Moreno Valley (ONT6, plus the ONT8 crossdock), three in Eastvale (SNA6, SNA9, and LGB3), two in Redlands (ONT9 and LGB4), one in Rialto (SNA4), and one in Riverside (LGB6).
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1337: You are the MASTER of this stuff! Thank you for your insights! It is very interesting.
 
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1337: You are the MASTER of this stuff! Thank you for your insights! It is very interesting.


Interestingly, here in the Phoenix area Amazon just started using TUS codes even though TUS1 is actually in Phoenix. I wonder why TUS and not AZA or IWA.
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1337Delta764 wrote:
wjcandee wrote:
1337: You are the MASTER of this stuff! Thank you for your insights! It is very interesting.


Interestingly, here in the Phoenix area Amazon just started using TUS codes even though TUS1 is actually in Phoenix. I wonder why TUS and not AZA or IWA.


Could it be for items that are going to be trucked to TUS? As you know it's only 1 or 2 hours to TUS depending on location.
 
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wjcandee wrote:
1337: You are the MASTER of this stuff! Thank you for your insights! It is very interesting.


Interestingly, here in the Phoenix area Amazon just started using TUS codes even though TUS1 is actually in Phoenix. I wonder why TUS and not AZA or IWA.

Wasn't it because PHX codes have been used up? It was mentioned here sometime ago.
 
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jeffrey0032j wrote:
1337Delta764 wrote:
wjcandee wrote:
1337: You are the MASTER of this stuff! Thank you for your insights! It is very interesting.


Interestingly, here in the Phoenix area Amazon just started using TUS codes even though TUS1 is actually in Phoenix. I wonder why TUS and not AZA or IWA.

Wasn't it because PHX codes have been used up? It was mentioned here sometime ago.


They could have easily used AZA or IWA instead of TUS. I am not sure if packages coming out of TUS1 are specifically for the Tucson market, since I have yet to get any shipments from there. TUS1 is considered a Small Sortable fulfillment center. I already get a large number of packages from the Inland Empire, sometimes even when items are in stock at the local fulfillment centers (probably Amazon's inventory control algorithms in action).
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Sun Aug 05, 2018 10:08 pm

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Re: Moving to March ARB

Very interesting. Amazon was certainly developing a large presence at ONT; too bad it all couldn't fit right now. RIV is only 20 minutes away by car, and certainly has the airport infrastructure (runways 13,300 by 200 feet) to handle the business. The question is whether Amazon will move it all back to ONT after making improvements there. I assume that the issue is not what the airport operations can handle (even 20 flights a day shouldn't be a big deal), but rather what the landside facilities can handle. ONT is a lot busier than it was some time ago, with the substantial WN presence, but it is hardly swamped.

Since breaking away from LAWA a few years ago, ONT's new airport authority has been aggressive in trying to boost revenue generally and put dormant assets (like surrounding land) to use, so I can't imagine that they won't be bending over backwards to support the Amazon Air operation. Unlike LAWA, which overtly stated that they wanted to maximize business at LAX (to fund its renovation in part through maximizing traffic and, therefore, landing fees), regardless of its effect on its other airports, and which was a relatively-inefficient operator of ONT (featherbedded employees for most support services), the airport authority seems very businesslike.

Will be interesting to see where this goes. I'm sure the folks at March are also interested in the business.


I think the issue at ONT is that Amazon uses 4 of the old Lockheed hangars and those will be torn down by the end of the year. With FedEx moving their LAX operation to ONT that gives Amazon less room. Also, until the old Terminal is torn down Amazon can't park more than 10 planes, 8 at the old terminal and 2 at the international terminal, at a time, unless they ran a staggered schedule like they originally did. I was just joking with my buddy that I work the mid shift at the tower with that we are busiest with the operation at the old terminal, except for UPS. Last week we had about 6 or 8 military charters, Delta and Sun Country, that we had to stage on different taxiways until some of the Atlas flights left to free up gates.
 
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Also, note that the Phoenix area fulfillment centers are a major inventory source for the Albuquerque market, so I don't think Amazon would dedicate one fulfillment center for Tucson. Also remember that different fulfillment centers are configured to stock different items. PHX3 was recently reconfigured to be an apparel and footwear fulfillment center. PHX6 is a Large Sortable fulfillment center, PHX5 (Goodyear) and PHX7 are Non-Sortable fulfilment centers (bulky items or items with irregular dimensions), and TUS1 is Small Sortable.
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Does Amazon Prime have a hub in ONT? I saw about a dozen when I was there.
 
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Does Amazon Prime have a hub in ONT? I saw about a dozen when I was there.

No, only CVG is considered a hub, but ONT is a very big outstation. About half of the network is running point-to-point, while the other half is hub ops through CVG. It remains to be seen how the PTP operation will be affected once they have their own facility at CVG. While it is unfortunate to see some capacity shifted from ONT to RIV, I hope they eventually invest in more facilities to make ONT a mini-hub.
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Also, note that the Phoenix area fulfillment centers are a major inventory source for the Albuquerque market, so I don't think Amazon would dedicate one fulfillment center for Tucson. Also remember that different fulfillment centers are configured to stock different items. PHX3 was recently reconfigured to be an apparel and footwear fulfillment center. PHX6 is a Large Sortable fulfillment center, PHX5 (Goodyear) and PHX7 are Non-Sortable fulfilment centers (bulky items or items with irregular dimensions), and TUS1 is Small Sortable.


I just ordered a new watch and it will be interesting to see where it comes from. I am in the West Valley not real far from the PHX 3, 6, and 7. Most everything I get comes from ONT. My recent orders ( a chefs Knife) ONT 6, Security camera system (to get the SOB that porch Pirated me) ONT 6.
 
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Lpbri wrote:
Does Amazon Prime have a hub in ONT? I saw about a dozen when I was there.

No, only CVG is considered a hub, but ONT is a very big outstation. About half of the network is running point-to-point, while the other half is hub ops through CVG. It remains to be seen how the PTP operation will be affected once they have their own facility at CVG. While it is unfortunate to see some capacity shifted from ONT to RIV, I hope they eventually invest in more facilities to make ONT a mini-hub.


ONT will be a larger facility, if Amazon wants to. The problem now, as I stated a few posts up, is that Amazon needs to relocate out of the 4 old Lockheed hangars as they will be torn down this year for the new FedEx sort facility. Eventually there will be room for a good sized Amazon operation at ONT.
 
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N633SH has its engines back on. Also appears to be N383AN has a plain white paint scheme like N377AN does at ILN
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N633SH has its engines back on. Also appears to be N383AN has a plain white paint scheme like N377AN does at ILN


Very interesting! I was hoping that you would go have a look at 383.

Sounds like maybe Pegasus/Sky Holding has a buyer or lessee for 633SH.

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cmairplaneman wrote:
N633SH has its engines back on. Also appears to be N383AN has a plain white paint scheme like N377AN does at ILN


Very interesting! I was hoping that you would go have a look at 383.

Sounds like maybe Pegasus/Sky Holding has a buyer or lessee for 633SH.

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Also, what is the deal with N976AX? It’s the DC-9 that’s sitting out there and is deregistered
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Re: Amazon Fleet Growth - 2018

Mon Aug 13, 2018 5:09 am

cmairplaneman wrote:
Also, what is the deal with N976AX? It’s the DC-9 that’s sitting out there and is deregistered


You know, I have no idea. But I'm guessin' that at almost-45-years-old, it is not highly-likely that it's going to find future productive use, unless a carrier in a less-developed area has use for it...
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Growth - 2018

Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:08 am

wjcandee wrote:
cmairplaneman wrote:
Also, what is the deal with N976AX? It’s the DC-9 that’s sitting out there and is deregistered


You know, I have no idea. But I'm guessin' that at almost-45-years-old, it is not highly-likely that it's going to find future productive use, unless a carrier in a less-developed area has use for it...

Is it fairly intact? There is a certain operator that seems to be buying up a bunch of even marginally airworthy DC-9s in the past year or two. Hell, they just revived and flew N120ne, which has been parked for years after a reportedly sordid history.
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Re: Amazon Fleet Growth - 2018

Mon Aug 13, 2018 3:15 pm

Spacepope wrote:
wjcandee wrote:
cmairplaneman wrote:
Also, what is the deal with N976AX? It’s the DC-9 that’s sitting out there and is deregistered


You know, I have no idea. But I'm guessin' that at almost-45-years-old, it is not highly-likely that it's going to find future productive use, unless a carrier in a less-developed area has use for it...

Is it fairly intact? There is a certain operator that seems to be buying up a bunch of even marginally airworthy DC-9s in the past year or two. Hell, they just revived and flew N120ne, which has been parked for years after a reportedly sordid history.


From the outside, it’s conpletly intact with engines and everything. The tires even appear to be inflated
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Re: Amazon Fleet Growth - 2018

Mon Aug 13, 2018 11:10 pm

Not sure about 383 or 377, but one of them may be going to ATI. We are finalizing a new contract with the military that starts in October and it is rumored to be with a new -300 and not one of the existing ones we have (376 or 395). I haven’t seen anything concrete as to which aircraft the route will operate with so it may not be either of the planes at ILN, but it makes sense if the route will indeed operate with a “new” plane.
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Re: Amazon Fleet Growth - 2018

Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:29 pm

I find the job page for Amazon Air to be intriguing... 2 Positions now for LUX.
https://www.amazon.jobs/en/teams/airplanes

As for ONT; while ONT is not an official Amazon hub, the growth is large enough that Atlas officially opened ONT Pilot base August 1st.
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