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travaz wrote:WJ I thought you were talking about the ATI stuff. I think I need to get some sleep before I try to read any more.
Cheery Bye!
wjcandee wrote:1337Delta764 wrote:Also, if anyone from Hawaii could share some information if they have a package shipped via Amazon Air it would be interesting to know if they are dropped off at the SCF level or the DDU level. I wonder what this will mean for ParcelPool/International Bridge.
Interesting question. I'm assuming that they were forwarding Amazon packages on a variety of carriers to Hawaii (and PR?), and then arranging for DDU-level injection and final-mile by the USPS. That's at least their usual program for their stateside customers. I don't know why USPS final-mile wouldn't be used by AFS (now ASI) as well, so presumably it's the air component and delivery to USPS that would shift over to ASI. But if the flight isn't going daily, I wonder whether other Amazon shipments to Hawaii would still use International Bridge. Aloha Cargo certainly wants to maintain whatever level of Amazon it is carrying (presumably for International Bridge?), so it will be interesting to see how this shakes out. Of course, a rising tide floats all boats, so maybe losing business isn't something that's going to happen in any meaningful way... Also, Aloha Cargo only flies six days a week, so there's an opportunity to fill a hole there.
wjcandee wrote:This whole Hawaii thing also raises the question of which Atlas-Titan-Andromeda Amazon Air aircraft are currently ETOPS-certified. I'm guessing 1217A is, because it did the Hawaii run on Sunday. Are any of the rest certified? Will they be now that Amazon seems to have about-faced in terms of what maintenance standard it wants to apply to its leased aircraft?
yochai wrote:N376AN is grounded in TLV after a wing collision while pushing back from the hangar on Saturday, ETD still unknown at the moment
JamesCousins wrote:Wow, might I just thank everyone for their contributions to this thread, it's a fascinating read! As a UK member it's interesting to see Amazon are still so reliant on the likes of USPS, UPS and FedEx in the US. Here in the UK Amazon Prime is all done in house, with the door-to-door couriers all working for 'Amazon Logistics' and long range trucks being brought in house too. Amazon's strategy of bringing things in house is great to see, and with Samsung following maybe we'll see companies such as Apple follow suit, on the airline front at least...
JamesCousins wrote:Wow, might I just thank everyone for their contributions to this thread, it's a fascinating read! As a UK member it's interesting to see Amazon are still so reliant on the likes of USPS, UPS and FedEx in the US. Here in the UK Amazon Prime is all done in house, with the door-to-door couriers all working for 'Amazon Logistics' and long range trucks being brought in house too. Amazon's strategy of bringing things in house is great to see, and with Samsung following maybe we'll see companies such as Apple follow suit, on the airline front at least...
1337Delta764 wrote:JamesCousins wrote:Wow, might I just thank everyone for their contributions to this thread, it's a fascinating read! As a UK member it's interesting to see Amazon are still so reliant on the likes of USPS, UPS and FedEx in the US. Here in the UK Amazon Prime is all done in house, with the door-to-door couriers all working for 'Amazon Logistics' and long range trucks being brought in house too. Amazon's strategy of bringing things in house is great to see, and with Samsung following maybe we'll see companies such as Apple follow suit, on the airline front at least...
Is that the case even in rural areas? While major cities most of the deliveries are done by Amazon Logistics in the United States, some deliveries will overflow to other carriers (usually USPS, but sometimes UPS, FedEx, and smaller regional delivery carriers). In most rural areas USPS is the main last mile carrier, with occasional shipments by UPS, FedEx, and smaller regional carriers. Also, one-day air shipping is usually UPS or FedEx.
wjcandee wrote:1337Delta764 wrote:JamesCousins wrote:Wow, might I just thank everyone for their contributions to this thread, it's a fascinating read! As a UK member it's interesting to see Amazon are still so reliant on the likes of USPS, UPS and FedEx in the US. Here in the UK Amazon Prime is all done in house, with the door-to-door couriers all working for 'Amazon Logistics' and long range trucks being brought in house too. Amazon's strategy of bringing things in house is great to see, and with Samsung following maybe we'll see companies such as Apple follow suit, on the airline front at least...
Is that the case even in rural areas? While major cities most of the deliveries are done by Amazon Logistics in the United States, some deliveries will overflow to other carriers (usually USPS, but sometimes UPS, FedEx, and smaller regional delivery carriers). In most rural areas USPS is the main last mile carrier, with occasional shipments by UPS, FedEx, and smaller regional carriers. Also, one-day air shipping is usually UPS or FedEx.
In New York City, AMZL does the line-haul and transportation to the DDU, but the USPS is the overwhelmingly-favorite carrier. Some one-day deliveries come AMZL or Lasership, etc., or FedEx/UPS, in NYC, but the vast majority of 2-day is delivered by USPS. It's extraordinary how much volume they deliver. More-balanced in the 'burbs.
1337Delta764 wrote:JamesCousins wrote:Wow, might I just thank everyone for their contributions to this thread, it's a fascinating read! As a UK member it's interesting to see Amazon are still so reliant on the likes of USPS, UPS and FedEx in the US. Here in the UK Amazon Prime is all done in house, with the door-to-door couriers all working for 'Amazon Logistics' and long range trucks being brought in house too. Amazon's strategy of bringing things in house is great to see, and with Samsung following maybe we'll see companies such as Apple follow suit, on the airline front at least...
Is that the case even in rural areas? While major cities most of the deliveries are done by Amazon Logistics in the United States, some deliveries will overflow to other carriers (usually USPS, but sometimes UPS, FedEx, and smaller regional delivery carriers). In most rural areas USPS is the main last mile carrier, with occasional shipments by UPS, FedEx, and smaller regional carriers. Also, one-day air shipping is usually UPS or FedEx.
JamesCousins wrote:1337Delta764 wrote:JamesCousins wrote:Wow, might I just thank everyone for their contributions to this thread, it's a fascinating read! As a UK member it's interesting to see Amazon are still so reliant on the likes of USPS, UPS and FedEx in the US. Here in the UK Amazon Prime is all done in house, with the door-to-door couriers all working for 'Amazon Logistics' and long range trucks being brought in house too. Amazon's strategy of bringing things in house is great to see, and with Samsung following maybe we'll see companies such as Apple follow suit, on the airline front at least...
Is that the case even in rural areas? While major cities most of the deliveries are done by Amazon Logistics in the United States, some deliveries will overflow to other carriers (usually USPS, but sometimes UPS, FedEx, and smaller regional delivery carriers). In most rural areas USPS is the main last mile carrier, with occasional shipments by UPS, FedEx, and smaller regional carriers. Also, one-day air shipping is usually UPS or FedEx.
I believe so. The size of the UK is obviously far smaller, and rural areas often closely neighbor cities with those deliveries just being handled by the closest Amazon Logistics driver. The only instance where the national post carrier is used (Royal Mail), is with deliveries that fit into a letter form factor (e.g. go through a letterbox). Even this isn't always the case, if you order after around 8pm it will go with an Amazon driver, as Royal Mail will only accept next day deliveries before a certain time.
I was shocked to discover Prime in the US is 2-day delivery, we get all of the stuff next day here (with some items on free 2 hour delivery!)
JamesCousins wrote:1337Delta764 wrote:JamesCousins wrote:Wow, might I just thank everyone for their contributions to this thread, it's a fascinating read! As a UK member it's interesting to see Amazon are still so reliant on the likes of USPS, UPS and FedEx in the US. Here in the UK Amazon Prime is all done in house, with the door-to-door couriers all working for 'Amazon Logistics' and long range trucks being brought in house too. Amazon's strategy of bringing things in house is great to see, and with Samsung following maybe we'll see companies such as Apple follow suit, on the airline front at least...
Is that the case even in rural areas? While major cities most of the deliveries are done by Amazon Logistics in the United States, some deliveries will overflow to other carriers (usually USPS, but sometimes UPS, FedEx, and smaller regional delivery carriers). In most rural areas USPS is the main last mile carrier, with occasional shipments by UPS, FedEx, and smaller regional carriers. Also, one-day air shipping is usually UPS or FedEx.
I believe so. The size of the UK is obviously far smaller, and rural areas often closely neighbor cities with those deliveries just being handled by the closest Amazon Logistics driver. The only instance where the national post carrier is used (Royal Mail), is with deliveries that fit into a letter form factor (e.g. go through a letterbox). Even this isn't always the case, if you order after around 8pm it will go with an Amazon driver, as Royal Mail will only accept next day deliveries before a certain time.
I was shocked to discover Prime in the US is 2-day delivery, we get all of the stuff next day here (with some items on free 2 hour delivery!)
cmairplaneman wrote:I heard it fly over today. Who knows, maybe it’ll stay in storage at ILN like 712AX but highly doubt it.
wjcandee wrote:It is definitely being converted. 30 West, hence the tail number, bought 3 former Air New Zealand 767-300 with GE engines. It took possession of one, and kind of sat on it for over a year while it tried to remarket it for passenger or freighter use. Eventually, they sold it recently to CAM. Don't know about the other two yet. 30 West is a small aircraft consulting firm in New Jersey, that's done a few transactions every year buying and selling a few transport category aircraft. Sounds like a fun business.
travaz wrote:wjcandee wrote:It is definitely being converted. 30 West, hence the tail number, bought 3 former Air New Zealand 767-300 with GE engines. It took possession of one, and kind of sat on it for over a year while it tried to remarket it for passenger or freighter use. Eventually, they sold it recently to CAM. Don't know about the other two yet. 30 West is a small aircraft consulting firm in New Jersey, that's done a few transactions every year buying and selling a few transport category aircraft. Sounds like a fun business.
Sounds fun if you have a lot of Money to risk.
wjcandee wrote:travaz wrote:wjcandee wrote:It is definitely being converted. 30 West, hence the tail number, bought 3 former Air New Zealand 767-300 with GE engines. It took possession of one, and kind of sat on it for over a year while it tried to remarket it for passenger or freighter use. Eventually, they sold it recently to CAM. Don't know about the other two yet. 30 West is a small aircraft consulting firm in New Jersey, that's done a few transactions every year buying and selling a few transport category aircraft. Sounds like a fun business.
Sounds fun if you have a lot of Money to risk.
Even more fun if you have a lot of other people's money to risk.
cmairplaneman wrote:N378CX had a test flight scheduled on flight aware but looks like that won’t happen today. I suspect it’s in the NAC livery
wjcandee wrote:cmairplaneman wrote:N378CX had a test flight scheduled on flight aware but looks like that won’t happen today. I suspect it’s in the NAC livery
Actually, that one is going to Amerijet, and so has its livery. Used to be N387AM
KCVGSpotter wrote:N1511A arrived in all white paint similar to N1399A and N1709A.
wjcandee wrote:Thanks for the info, JB. This slow and careful expansion of the Amazon network this year is one reason that I am dubious about the pesky rumours that Amazon is going to order 40-60 new 767Fs.
travaz wrote:I just don't see Amazon being able to take over USPS role anytime soon it is much to big to replace. I see prime going up to 119.00 as a signal that USPS might get a higher rate for delivering for Amazon. Trump thing is all a negotiation ploy. Plus he has no love for Bezos. I also see no way Amazon is going to absorb 40 to 100 frames from Boeing. There is a thread on here that says 100 frames! The air part of Amazons strategy does nothing to solve the last mile problem.
travaz wrote:I also see no way Amazon is going to absorb 40 to 100 frames from Boeing. There is a thread on here that says 100 frames!
wjcandee wrote:CVG: Thanks for the additional detail!
wjcandee wrote:wjcandee wrote:CVG: Thanks for the additional detail!
Not sure if it's relevant to our discussion, but 783AX is coming back from two weeks in paint at ROW right now (4/29). Maybe just a touch-up in the DHL paint scheme, but maybe something else?
wjcandee wrote:If it's all-white, it's probably leaving the ABX fleet, like some of the others. Anybody got a photo?
KCVGSpotter wrote:wjcandee wrote:If it's all-white, it's probably leaving the ABX fleet, like some of the others. Anybody got a photo?
I can confirm 783 is in a fresh DHL livery.
ThePinnacleKid wrote:I wonder/speculate with the sudden influx of all white aircraft if it's possibly setting up for an eventual match to the official Amazon rebranding as Prime Air being drone based and Amazon Air being aircraft operations.
KCVGSpotter wrote:wjcandee wrote:If it's all-white, it's probably leaving the ABX fleet, like some of the others. Anybody got a photo?
I can confirm 783 is in a fresh DHL livery.