travaz wrote:Who knows what to believe anymore. In Oct of 2017 Bloomberg puts the revenue at UPS in the 5 to 10% range.
"Amazon accounts for 5 percent to 10 percent of UPS revenue, according to analyst estimates, while FedEx has said the e-commerce giant accounts for less than 3 percent of its sales.Oct 5, 2017
http://www.bloomberg.com/.../amazon-is- ... ival-fed...
wjcandee wrote:travaz wrote:Who knows what to believe anymore. In Oct of 2017 Bloomberg puts the revenue at UPS in the 5 to 10% range.
"Amazon accounts for 5 percent to 10 percent of UPS revenue, according to analyst estimates, while FedEx has said the e-commerce giant accounts for less than 3 percent of its sales.Oct 5, 2017
http://www.bloomberg.com/.../amazon-is- ... ival-fed...
Remember they do a lot of ground, too. This was only about Amazon Air.
wjcandee wrote:382CM will be the new number for 930WE.
373AA will be 359CM.
wjcandee wrote:They must have anticipated 373 going right into service, because someone at TLV painted over the green with some almost matching grey. So it doesn't have the scary, about-to-fall-apart look that usually characterizes CAM's TLV conversions. Until they go through a full strip and paint at Dean Baldwin.
Acey559 wrote:[twoid][/twoid]wjcandee wrote:They must have anticipated 373 going right into service, because someone at TLV painted over the green with some almost matching grey. So it doesn't have the scary, about-to-fall-apart look that usually characterizes CAM's TLV conversions. Until they go through a full strip and paint at Dean Baldwin.
I guess that’s not as exciting/Frankenstein-ish though it will be something different for a bit. I’m sure some will comment on it if they see it from a terminal or roadway. Welcome to ACMI.
wjcandee wrote:Acey559 wrote:[twoid][/twoid]wjcandee wrote:They must have anticipated 373 going right into service, because someone at TLV painted over the green with some almost matching grey. So it doesn't have the scary, about-to-fall-apart look that usually characterizes CAM's TLV conversions. Until they go through a full strip and paint at Dean Baldwin.
I guess that’s not as exciting/Frankenstein-ish though it will be something different for a bit. I’m sure some will comment on it if they see it from a terminal or roadway. Welcome to ACMI.
I will bet you were thinking about something like this one:
That's certainly what I was thinking (hoping for?) when you mentioned the washed-down AA livery. Keepin' it classy.
Instead, it's not too bad:
cmairplaneman wrote:N787AX is scheduled to depart ILN for SNN
MO11 wrote:July 2.
MO11 wrote:July 2.
cmairplaneman wrote:N787AX is scheduled to depart ILN for SNN
cmairplaneman wrote:N787AX is scheduled to depart ILN for SNN
wjcandee wrote:N1487A is the final Altas/Titan/Andromeda 767-300 conversion relating to the Amazon assignment. It has been at TLV since 12/5/18.
It did a 2.5-hour test flight on Saturday 10/6/18, so seems to be getting close to completion.
Also on Saturday, 10/6/18, IAI/Bedek/MexicanaMRO completed conversion of N765CK, Connie's latest 767-300 conversion (and the 4th one completed on the MexicanaMRO line). The MexicanaMRO shop, seems to be getting faster with every conversion. The initial conversion for Connie took a typical amount of time. The second one was 4.5 months. The third was 4.25 months. This one took 3.66 months. Obviously, things like backlog and condition of airframe, etc., enter into it, but it is interesting to see that the MexicanaMRO line (which can only put one 767-300 in the hangar at a time) seems to be working hard and getting better at accomplishing the IAI/Bedek conversion.
DL757NYC wrote:wjcandee wrote:N1487A is the final Altas/Titan/Andromeda 767-300 conversion relating to the Amazon assignment. It has been at TLV since 12/5/18.
It did a 2.5-hour test flight on Saturday 10/6/18, so seems to be getting close to completion.
Also on Saturday, 10/6/18, IAI/Bedek/MexicanaMRO completed conversion of N765CK, Connie's latest 767-300 conversion (and the 4th one completed on the MexicanaMRO line). The MexicanaMRO shop, seems to be getting faster with every conversion. The initial conversion for Connie took a typical amount of time. The second one was 4.5 months. The third was 4.25 months. This one took 3.66 months. Obviously, things like backlog and condition of airframe, etc., enter into it, but it is interesting to see that the MexicanaMRO line (which can only put one 767-300 in the hangar at a time) seems to be working hard and getting better at accomplishing the IAI/Bedek conversion.
They also might be able to put more worker on it or staff around the clock shifts. The pay scale in Mexico is way less than Israel or Germany.
wjcandee wrote:cmairplaneman wrote:N787AX is scheduled to depart ILN for SNN
Didn't make it very far. https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N78 ... /KILN/KILN
Guess it wanted to hang around the US a little longer.
cmairplaneman wrote:wjcandee wrote:cmairplaneman wrote:N787AX is scheduled to depart ILN for SNN
Didn't make it very far. https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N78 ... /KILN/KILN
Guess it wanted to hang around the US a little longer.
That’s what I was going to say... wonder what happened with it
wjcandee wrote:cmairplaneman wrote:N787AX is scheduled to depart ILN for SNN
Didn't make it very far. https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N78 ... /KILN/KILN
Guess it wanted to hang around the US a little longer.
wjcandee wrote:Regarding Peak flying, N373AA is making its initial flight right now from ILN-SDF. N376AN did it's last UPS South American flight yesterday (MIA-BOG-MIA), and has ferried to PHX to start UPS work tonight.
travaz wrote:wjcandee wrote:Regarding Peak flying, N373AA is making its initial flight right now from ILN-SDF. N376AN did it's last UPS South American flight yesterday (MIA-BOG-MIA), and has ferried to PHX to start UPS work tonight.
Wow keep em moving! Good for the company.
wjcandee wrote:travaz wrote:wjcandee wrote:Regarding Peak flying, N373AA is making its initial flight right now from ILN-SDF. N376AN did it's last UPS South American flight yesterday (MIA-BOG-MIA), and has ferried to PHX to start UPS work tonight.
Wow keep em moving! Good for the company.
And both put immediately to work: 373 quickly loaded and headed for PDX; 376 turned around and headed from PHX-SDF. Whereas these UPS flights seem sometimes to use UPS flight numbers (the MIA-BOG business, for example, or some Western Global flights), these are running under the ATN callsign.
And 255CM (a 767-200) should be heading to SBD tonight to start more UPS service out there.
As Acey pointed out in an earlier post, 373AA took long enough in conversion that UPS needed it before it could be painted properly at ATSG's usual painting contractor. So IAI sprayed some grey over the areas with exposed primer, and it doesn't look too awful. However,it might be a fun spotting opportunity in PDX and wherever else it flies.
On the ABX side, N364CM (767-300) ferried to MKE earlier today and is now in service on UPS, heading to SDF.
Spacepope wrote:Sounds about right for the lack of call sign change. The 21 Air 762s that have been flying the past few weeks for UPS have kept their CSB flight numbers too. Maybe they just don’t assign UPS numbers for short term leases.
wjcandee wrote:Spacepope wrote:Sounds about right for the lack of call sign change. The 21 Air 762s that have been flying the past few weeks for UPS have kept their CSB flight numbers too. Maybe they just don’t assign UPS numbers for short term leases.
Another thing that occurs to me: The wet-leasing airline's callsign on international flights but not necessary on domestic?
Spacepope wrote:wjcandee wrote:travaz wrote:Wow keep em moving! Good for the company.
And both put immediately to work: 373 quickly loaded and headed for PDX; 376 turned around and headed from PHX-SDF. Whereas these UPS flights seem sometimes to use UPS flight numbers (the MIA-BOG business, for example, or some Western Global flights), these are running under the ATN callsign.
And 255CM (a 767-200) should be heading to SBD tonight to start more UPS service out there.
As Acey pointed out in an earlier post, 373AA took long enough in conversion that UPS needed it before it could be painted properly at ATSG's usual painting contractor. So IAI sprayed some grey over the areas with exposed primer, and it doesn't look too awful. However,it might be a fun spotting opportunity in PDX and wherever else it flies.
On the ABX side, N364CM (767-300) ferried to MKE earlier today and is now in service on UPS, heading to SDF.
Sounds about right for the lack of call sign change. The 21 Air 762s that have been flying the past few weeks for UPS have kept their CSB flight numbers too. Maybe they just don’t assign UPS numbers for short term leases.
slookabill wrote:For UPS, any of the subcontractors will use their own callsign(WGN, CSB, GTI, KYE, ATN, etc), but the flight number is usually a UPS number(ex. if flown by UPS it's UPS752, then WGN would file as WGN752).
wjcandee wrote:Good catch. The answer is that 255CM isn't an Amazon lease. It's an ATI spare. The 6th 767 - 200 on the ATI Amazon dry lease list is 739ax. That was an Amerijet lease return that took freaking forever to make it through maintenance because there was so much wrong with it. And it needed an aft bulkhead replacement. So they put 255cm in for a period of time until that aircraft finally became available. Once they did that, 255 became available as a maintenance spare and for military, etc. It leads a somewhat nomadic existence.
The Amazon dry leased aircraft can't be used for anything other than Amazon. But because 255 is not an Amazon dry lease, it can be used for UPS during Peak. Which is why I it deadheaded out there today.
Spacepope wrote:wjcandee wrote:Good catch. The answer is that 255CM isn't an Amazon lease. It's an ATI spare. The 6th 767 - 200 on the ATI Amazon dry lease list is 739ax. That was an Amerijet lease return that took freaking forever to make it through maintenance because there was so much wrong with it. And it needed an aft bulkhead replacement. So they put 255cm in for a period of time until that aircraft finally became available. Once they did that, 255 became available as a maintenance spare and for military, etc. It leads a somewhat nomadic existence.
The Amazon dry leased aircraft can't be used for anything other than Amazon. But because 255 is not an Amazon dry lease, it can be used for UPS during Peak. Which is why I it deadheaded out there today.
It looks like 255CM routed SBD-CAE this morning as ATI2433. https://flightaware.com/live/flight/ATN ... /KSBD/KCAE
Acey559 wrote:Spacepope wrote:wjcandee wrote:Good catch. The answer is that 255CM isn't an Amazon lease. It's an ATI spare. The 6th 767 - 200 on the ATI Amazon dry lease list is 739ax. That was an Amerijet lease return that took freaking forever to make it through maintenance because there was so much wrong with it. And it needed an aft bulkhead replacement. So they put 255cm in for a period of time until that aircraft finally became available. Once they did that, 255 became available as a maintenance spare and for military, etc. It leads a somewhat nomadic existence.
The Amazon dry leased aircraft can't be used for anything other than Amazon. But because 255 is not an Amazon dry lease, it can be used for UPS during Peak. Which is why I it deadheaded out there today.
It looks like 255CM routed SBD-CAE this morning as ATI2433. https://flightaware.com/live/flight/ATN ... /KSBD/KCAE
It will fly SBD-CAE-PDX-SBD until about mid-January if I remember correctly.
Acey559 wrote:Spacepope wrote:wjcandee wrote:Good catch. The answer is that 255CM isn't an Amazon lease. It's an ATI spare. The 6th 767 - 200 on the ATI Amazon dry lease list is 739ax. That was an Amerijet lease return that took freaking forever to make it through maintenance because there was so much wrong with it. And it needed an aft bulkhead replacement. So they put 255cm in for a period of time until that aircraft finally became available. Once they did that, 255 became available as a maintenance spare and for military, etc. It leads a somewhat nomadic existence.
The Amazon dry leased aircraft can't be used for anything other than Amazon. But because 255 is not an Amazon dry lease, it can be used for UPS during Peak. Which is why I it deadheaded out there today.
It looks like 255CM routed SBD-CAE this morning as ATI2433. https://flightaware.com/live/flight/ATN ... /KSBD/KCAE
It will fly SBD-CAE-PDX-SBD until about mid-January if I remember correctly.
CX747 wrote:Slightly off topic but does anyone have a list of leased in aircraft for Peak for both UPS and FEDEX?