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Tue May 01, 2018 7:00 pm

I wonder, what carriers fly for International Bridge/ParcelPool? It appears that in the case of Puerto Rico it might be DHL, since they always seem to go through Hebron, KY, with Amazon's linehaul network transferring the package to them, which in turn International Bridge/ParcelPool transfers the package to the USPS in Cataño, Puerto Rico.
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Sat May 05, 2018 2:53 am

N775AX is currently enroute to SNN from ILN
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N376AN is out on delivery at long last, and interestingly going to KPSM were Atlas usually have their 767-300BDSF aircraft delivered to
 
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N376AN is out on delivery at long last, and interestingly going to KPSM were Atlas usually have their 767-300BDSF aircraft delivered to


Awesome! Thanks, Yochai!
 
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N376AN is out on delivery at long last, and interestingly going to KPSM were Atlas usually have their 767-300BDSF aircraft delivered to


Looks like it ended up going to SNN, as usual, anyway.
 
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Meanwhile, N1013A is on its way home, finally, from QPG. It left QPG on 5/11, and is in HNL as of this morning (5/12/18), having stopped as well at GUM.
 
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N376AN just came to CVG then to Wilmington ILN. Also, N373AA has arrived at ILN from storage at ROW
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Tue May 15, 2018 7:21 pm

Also, what current ATSG airplanes are at TLV right now?
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Also, what current ATSG airplanes are at TLV right now?


374AA since 1/5
377AN since 1/9
383AN since 2/19
369AA since 4/12

We will see whether 930WE or 373AA go next to TLV.

I will also be interested to see whether/when 830WE and 730WE come to CAM. These are the other two 30 West 763s that have been stored in Alice Springs for about a year. As Ex-NZ aircraft with no subsequent operators, they are likely to be in pretty-good condition. But they also might have a smidge more pax service left in them for secondary operators. CAM is working on 930WE right now at ILN as a precursor to conversion, so CAM will have a pretty-good idea of what these aircraft are really like when negotiating over the other two. What happens is I'm sure a function of demand for CAM 763s (they use a baseline of 6 per year to convert, but can go up or down a bit based on market demand), and supply of suitable AA 763s, which I think is nonexistent (other than 380AN) until the next wave of retirements in 2019.
 
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Tue May 15, 2018 11:58 pm

I might go to ILN to see 930WE. It’ll be interesting to see if 730 and 830 come.
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N1013A arrived in CVG in full Prime Air livery.
 
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N1013A arrived in CVG in full Prime Air livery.


Yep, the BCFs arrive painted. I had thought that 1013A would be going into service for Amazon. So the fact that it's in the livery confirms that; thanks KCVGSpotter!

I'm not clear on the reason that Atlas numbers some of its all-white non-Amazon 767-300 freighters with an A suffix. My impression is that some of the next 5, for example, aren't for Amazon.
 
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Thu May 17, 2018 3:47 pm

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KCVGSpotter wrote:
N1013A arrived in CVG in full Prime Air livery.


Yep, the BCFs arrive painted. I had thought that 1013A would be going into service for Amazon. So the fact that it's in the livery confirms that; thanks KCVGSpotter!

I'm not clear on the reason that Atlas numbers some of its all-white non-Amazon 767-300 freighters with an A suffix. My impression is that some of the next 5, for example, aren't for Amazon.

All Atlas 767 deliveries in 2017 and 2018 are 'for Amazon'. One in 2017 and one in 2018 are owned entirely by AAWH, the other 20 or so are leased to Amazon. The two 'Atlas' birds are available for other charters, but their primary purpose is to support Amazon flying.

In other words, even though those two are owned by AAWH and occasionally do other flying, if there were no Amazon contract, Atlas would not have acquired those two tails.
 
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Thu May 17, 2018 5:31 pm

CallmeJB wrote:
wjcandee wrote:
KCVGSpotter wrote:
N1013A arrived in CVG in full Prime Air livery.


Yep, the BCFs arrive painted. I had thought that 1013A would be going into service for Amazon. So the fact that it's in the livery confirms that; thanks KCVGSpotter!

I'm not clear on the reason that Atlas numbers some of its all-white non-Amazon 767-300 freighters with an A suffix. My impression is that some of the next 5, for example, aren't for Amazon.

All Atlas 767 deliveries in 2017 and 2018 are 'for Amazon'. One in 2017 and one in 2018 are owned entirely by AAWH, the other 20 or so are leased to Amazon. The two 'Atlas' birds are available for other charters, but their primary purpose is to support Amazon flying.

In other words, even though those two are owned by AAWH and occasionally do other flying, if there were no Amazon contract, Atlas would not have acquired those two tails.


This isn't fully correct... N662GT is to arrive soon and is a "new" passenger 767... N663GT and N664GT have also been reserved with the FAA.
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Fri May 18, 2018 1:24 am

This is look at how prime air works, loads the planes etc. Some good airplane pics.
http://blog.aboutamazon.com/transportat ... gw05142018
 
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Fri May 18, 2018 3:18 am

CallmeJB wrote:
wjcandee wrote:
KCVGSpotter wrote:
N1013A arrived in CVG in full Prime Air livery.


Yep, the BCFs arrive painted. I had thought that 1013A would be going into service for Amazon. So the fact that it's in the livery confirms that; thanks KCVGSpotter!

I'm not clear on the reason that Atlas numbers some of its all-white non-Amazon 767-300 freighters with an A suffix. My impression is that some of the next 5, for example, aren't for Amazon.

All Atlas 767 deliveries in 2017 and 2018 are 'for Amazon'. One in 2017 and one in 2018 are owned entirely by AAWH, the other 20 or so are leased to Amazon. The two 'Atlas' birds are available for other charters, but their primary purpose is to support Amazon flying.

In other words, even though those two are owned by AAWH and occasionally do other flying, if there were no Amazon contract, Atlas would not have acquired those two tails.


Amazon uses at least one and sometimes two of its own dry-leased Atlas birds as spares. On top of that, 1709A and 1399A are all-white Atlas-owned aircraft that Atlas uses in theory for maintenance spares but actually these days to run almost 100 percent of the time on Atlas runs. 1699A is a third aircraft that will apparently be an Atlas-owned white-tail. I don't think anybody would rationally think that Atlas needs three maintenance spares to cover the Amazon contract. So that was the point of my question. Perhaps Atlas wouldn't have branched out into 767F conversions but for Amazon, but clearly they are finding use for these as more than maintenance spares. But I get the point of your answer, and I guess it makes sense. Still, no aircraft at ATSG have as their reg a prime number followed by an AZ suffix except those that are dry-leased to Amazon.
 
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This is look at how prime air works, loads the planes etc. Some good airplane pics.
http://blog.aboutamazon.com/transportat ... gw05142018


Nice find, Trav. Funny they don't show the half-of-the-flights that bypass CVG and don't use cans but use pallets instead.
 
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wjcandee wrote:
travaz wrote:
This is look at how prime air works, loads the planes etc. Some good airplane pics.
http://blog.aboutamazon.com/transportat ... gw05142018


Nice find, Trav. Funny they don't show the half-of-the-flights that bypass CVG and don't use cans but use pallets instead.



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Fri May 18, 2018 7:22 am

travaz wrote:
This is look at how prime air works, loads the planes etc. Some good airplane pics.
http://blog.aboutamazon.com/transportat ... gw05142018


The picture I'm most curious about is "03 - Packing Containers" In the middle of that there are two blue bags with Amazon logos on them. Are these for packages padded envelopes? or is this something else?

There also appears to be some space at the top of the bags, is this just an optical illusion? or do they somehow maintain the space around the bag with a barrier of some kind?
 
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Fri May 18, 2018 9:48 pm

USAirKid wrote:
travaz wrote:
This is look at how prime air works, loads the planes etc. Some good airplane pics.
http://blog.aboutamazon.com/transportat ... gw05142018


The picture I'm most curious about is "03 - Packing Containers" In the middle of that there are two blue bags with Amazon logos on them. Are these for packages padded envelopes? or is this something else?

There also appears to be some space at the top of the bags, is this just an optical illusion? or do they somehow maintain the space around the bag with a barrier of some kind?


I’ve only really seen the bags loaded in the bulk pit, but I do believe they are filled with just padded envelopes (there may be exceptions). Apparently they also load them in cans, but I’ve only seen them loaded in bulk.
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Sun May 20, 2018 7:18 pm

N373AA is schduled to leave ILN. I am trying to spot it take off. Hopefully it doesn’t get delayed
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Sun May 20, 2018 7:36 pm

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N373AA is schduled to leave ILN. I am trying to spot it take off. Hopefully it doesn’t get delayed


Scheduled into TLV at 0630Z Monday morning.

N374AA did a local test flight at TLV on Friday, and will probably be delivered on Wednesday to SNN if no delays
 
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Sun May 20, 2018 7:44 pm

I was thinking that, although hardly a significant additional expense, it would be a smidge less expensive to have the crew that delivers 373 hang around TLV for a couple days and fly 374 back. In the broad scheme of things, a couple of extra plane tickets isn't huge, but it never hurts to save...

So we're on the same page.
 
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Sun May 20, 2018 9:25 pm

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cmairplaneman wrote:
N373AA is schduled to leave ILN. I am trying to spot it take off. Hopefully it doesn’t get delayed


Scheduled into TLV at 0630Z Monday morning.

N374AA did a local test flight at TLV on Friday, and will probably be delivered on Wednesday to SNN if no delays


Okay 373AA it is on it's way to TLV! Here is one of the many photos I got of her departing ILN http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/ph ... 08167.html
It was interesting, the airplane started up, checked thrust reversers a few times, had engines running and then the crew shut them down and ground crew brought stairs to the airplane. It sat for about 15 minutes and then the stairs were taken off and the airplane then started to move. Yochai, I hope you can get a picture of the airplane when it lands tomorrow!
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Sun May 20, 2018 9:49 pm

Nice photo! Interesting narrative. A squawk that they were able to clear, I'm guessing.

Did you get anything else that's currently at ILN? There are some frames for other airlines there being worked on, as well as the other frame awaiting conversion.
 
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Sun May 20, 2018 9:51 pm

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Nice photo! Interesting narrative. A squawk that they were able to clear, I'm guessing.

Did you get anything else that's currently at ILN? There are some frames for other airlines there being worked on, as well as the other frame awaiting conversion.


I saw 930WE, SBA Airlines 757 missing engines, N378CX (I think) and the standard 757 combis
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Sun May 20, 2018 10:02 pm

I will get the photos online ASAP of thoe birds as well
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Sun May 20, 2018 11:47 pm

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yochai wrote:
cmairplaneman wrote:
N373AA is schduled to leave ILN. I am trying to spot it take off. Hopefully it doesn’t get delayed


Scheduled into TLV at 0630Z Monday morning.

N374AA did a local test flight at TLV on Friday, and will probably be delivered on Wednesday to SNN if no delays


Okay 373AA it is on it's way to TLV! Here is one of the many photos I got of her departing ILN http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/ph ... 08167.html
It was interesting, the airplane started up, checked thrust reversers a few times, had engines running and then the crew shut them down and ground crew brought stairs to the airplane. It sat for about 15 minutes and then the stairs were taken off and the airplane then started to move. Yochai, I hope you can get a picture of the airplane when it lands tomorrow!



Unfortunately I won’t be at the airport in the morning, I prefer to shoot them after conversion anyway ;)
 
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Sun May 20, 2018 11:58 pm

yochai wrote:
cmairplaneman wrote:
yochai wrote:

Scheduled into TLV at 0630Z Monday morning.

N374AA did a local test flight at TLV on Friday, and will probably be delivered on Wednesday to SNN if no delays


Okay 373AA it is on it's way to TLV! Here is one of the many photos I got of her departing ILN http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/ph ... 08167.html
It was interesting, the airplane started up, checked thrust reversers a few times, had engines running and then the crew shut them down and ground crew brought stairs to the airplane. It sat for about 15 minutes and then the stairs were taken off and the airplane then started to move. Yochai, I hope you can get a picture of the airplane when it lands tomorrow!



Unfortunately I won’t be at the airport in the morning, I prefer to shoot them after conversion anyway ;)


Awesome! It’ll be cool to see this bird after she is done!
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cmairplaneman wrote:
yochai wrote:
cmairplaneman wrote:
N373AA is schduled to leave ILN. I am trying to spot it take off. Hopefully it doesn’t get delayed


Scheduled into TLV at 0630Z Monday morning.

N374AA did a local test flight at TLV on Friday, and will probably be delivered on Wednesday to SNN if no delays


Okay 373AA it is on it's way to TLV! Here is one of the many photos I got of her departing ILN http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/ph ... 08167.html
It was interesting, the airplane started up, checked thrust reversers a few times, had engines running and then the crew shut them down and ground crew brought stairs to the airplane. It sat for about 15 minutes and then the stairs were taken off and the airplane then started to move. Yochai, I hope you can get a picture of the airplane when it lands tomorrow!



Great Photo Thank You!
 
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Love it! Great job!!!

Looks like that ex-SBA aircraft is still owned by Pegasus but is being managed by Sky, hence the SH suffix on its brand-new reg.

I'm guessing it's there for MRO stuff, and that Sky/Pegasus want to re-lease it somewhere. Otherwise, it would have gone to the desert. I think I looked this up previously, but don't recall what I discovered.
 
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Tue May 22, 2018 7:41 pm

Ok well a 763 just landed at Wilmington with the call sign UDG2259. Does anyone know what plane and tail mhm bee that is? It came from GYR today
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Tue May 22, 2018 8:05 pm

It could possibly be G-OBYE an Ex Tui 767
 
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Ok well a 763 just landed at Wilmington with the call sign UDG2259. Does anyone know what plane and tail mhm bee that is? It came from GYR today


It's one of the Team 125 planes. Patriots. AMES services them.

And it's probably N225NE given the flight number.

UDG is Team 125's ATC prefix.
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Tue May 22, 2018 8:19 pm

Wow interesting.
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Anyone know anything about a N344CM? It popped up on our fleet status website today and it says it’s in Wilmington. In my experience, tails don’t get added to our fleet status page unless they’re going through, or about to go through conformity. So apparently N344CM is destined for ATI.
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Anyone know anything about a N344CM? It popped up on our fleet status website today and it says it’s in Wilmington. In my experience, tails don’t get added to our fleet status page unless they’re going through, or about to go through conformity. So apparently N344CM is destined for ATI.


Huh. Odd that it says that it's in ILN. 376AN was in ILN and is now at ROW for Paint. It has about another week to go in ROW before it returns to ILN. I had an impression that that tail was going to Northern Aviation to be painted in StratAir colors, but maybe that's not the StratAir tail. This is your most likely candidate, just out of conversion at TLV.

The new Amerijet conversion is at ILN, but it already has its new CAM tail number (378CX) and is in Amerijet colors, so that's not it unless Amerijet rejected it for some reason, and even if it did, why change the tail number? The third of the three recent Amerijet leases is I think 373AA, which just left to be converted at TLV.

N374AA should be arriving soon from TLV to go to paint, but that's not your tail if your list says that the tail is currently in ILN and it's planned for conformity.

Of course the aircraft doesn't HAVE to be a 767-300 conversion.... The 767-300 that arrived today (N225NE) is the not-fully-decal-covered passenger aircraft that is owned by the Patriots (the backup one). I had assumed that it was coming to AMES for maintenance, but who knows? (Although I think it most likely that it's coming to AMES for maintenance...)

N930WE is at ILN, but I do believe that that's going to be headed next to TLV for conversion, and the articles at the time said it was going to be going to TLV for conversion. Again if they decided to keep it as a passenger aircraft, then it could be at ILN for conformity, but I think this is highly unlikely.

You also have the Sky Holdings lease return from SBA Airlines. It's a 757-200, now registered as N633SH. I had assumed that that aircraft, which was just reregistered in March to an N-number, was there for post-lease maintenance, but that's a possible candidate.

Did Ribway ever pick up their plane? They were allegedly putting some guys through the sim last year, three years after leasing the aircraft. Pretty-sure you're not gonna reactivate a Diesel-8.

And of course there's the Asian Air 767-200, but it's already got an N-number 712AX. And the Vision Air aircraft isn't going anywhere.

That's all I can think of at ILN that isn't pretty-clearly somebody else's aircraft that's just there for maintenance.

Keep us informed!! The most obvious answer is N376AN. But it will be interesting to see... (Unless 714AX is being renumbered, because it's back in ILN again, but that doesn't make sense. 714 was in ILN for six weeks for some kinda maintenance -- I had assumed a check -- then flew for a week and just came back again. Seems like something else had come up post-maintenance.)
 
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Wed May 23, 2018 5:19 pm

I'm not sure if it is just me, but for my gifts that I have been buying for my family members in Puerto Rico, it appears that Amazon has been improving their shipment times. Amazon appears to now be giving delivery estimates of 3-7 business days, and items now seem to ship more promptly (particularly when shipped via ParcelPool/International Bridge). I wonder if Amazon is now trying to make their Prime membership more worthwhile. With the price increase, there will probably be a lot of cancellations in Alaska/Hawaii/Puerto Rico since they don't get equal shipping benefits.
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Wed May 23, 2018 10:50 pm

Ask and ye shall receive. Per our weekly company update, 344 is a 767-300 and is currently in paint, so not sure why it says it is in ILN. The aircraft is for an undisclosed customer and we will receive official word once the contractual details are finalized. The aircraft should be through conformity by mid-June. Hopefully one of our resident spotters can snag a picture when it gets back from paint.
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Thu May 24, 2018 12:50 am

Interesting about 344CM. I didn't see 344CM when I was at ILN the other day, but it could be in a hangar if it was there
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Thu May 24, 2018 12:57 am

wjcandee wrote:
Acey559 wrote:
Anyone know anything about a N344CM? It popped up on our fleet status website today and it says it’s in Wilmington. In my experience, tails don’t get added to our fleet status page unless they’re going through, or about to go through conformity. So apparently N344CM is destined for ATI.


Huh. Odd that it says that it's in ILN. 376AN was in ILN and is now at ROW for Paint. It has about another week to go in ROW before it returns to ILN. I had an impression that that tail was going to Northern Aviation to be painted in StratAir colors, but maybe that's not the StratAir tail. This is your most likely candidate, just out of conversion at TLV.

The new Amerijet conversion is at ILN, but it already has its new CAM tail number (378CX) and is in Amerijet colors, so that's not it unless Amerijet rejected it for some reason, and even if it did, why change the tail number? The third of the three recent Amerijet leases is I think 373AA, which just left to be converted at TLV.

N374AA should be arriving soon from TLV to go to paint, but that's not your tail if your list says that the tail is currently in ILN and it's planned for conformity.

Of course the aircraft doesn't HAVE to be a 767-300 conversion.... The 767-300 that arrived today (N225NE) is the not-fully-decal-covered passenger aircraft that is owned by the Patriots (the backup one). I had assumed that it was coming to AMES for maintenance, but who knows? (Although I think it most likely that it's coming to AMES for maintenance...)

N930WE is at ILN, but I do believe that that's going to be headed next to TLV for conversion, and the articles at the time said it was going to be going to TLV for conversion. Again if they decided to keep it as a passenger aircraft, then it could be at ILN for conformity, but I think this is highly unlikely.

You also have the Sky Holdings lease return from SBA Airlines. It's a 757-200, now registered as N633SH. I had assumed that that aircraft, which was just reregistered in March to an N-number, was there for post-lease maintenance, but that's a possible candidate.

Did Ribway ever pick up their plane? They were allegedly putting some guys through the sim last year, three years after leasing the aircraft. Pretty-sure you're not gonna reactivate a Diesel-8.

And of course there's the Asian Air 767-200, but it's already got an N-number 712AX. And the Vision Air aircraft isn't going anywhere.

That's all I can think of at ILN that isn't pretty-clearly somebody else's aircraft that's just there for maintenance.

Keep us informed!! The most obvious answer is N376AN. But it will be interesting to see... (Unless 714AX is being renumbered, because it's back in ILN again, but that doesn't make sense. 714 was in ILN for six weeks for some kinda maintenance -- I had assumed a check -- then flew for a week and just came back again. Seems like something else had come up post-maintenance.)


Ribway DC-8 is still at ILN. Also the Vision Air bird looks like its getting scrapped. A few more parts are missing every time I see her
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Thu May 24, 2018 2:31 am

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Interesting about 344CM. I didn't see 344CM when I was at ILN the other day, but it could be in a hangar if it was there


It’s in paint, apparently. Not sure why our fleet page says it is in ILN, but I’m guessing it should be back soon.
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Re: Amazon Fleet Growth - 2018

Thu May 24, 2018 4:13 am

Acey, then it's 376AN, which is in paint in ROW and will be back probably next Wednesday or Thursday.

If it's for an undisclosed customer (and is being painted for them), my EWAG is that it's the StratAir airplane, and, like the Aloha 767-300, will be flown by you guys until some Northern Aviation subsidiary is ready to fly it with its own crews.

OTOH, there are 4 frames in conversion that aren't for as-yet-publicly-identified customers (the fifth should be the third one for Amerijet, and one will go to Air Incheon if they exercise their option). So for all we know, this is a dry-lease to a customer that nobody has yet heard about, and ATI is going to operate it.

The most recent ATSG financials indicate that all of the frames being converted for the rest of the year are dry leases to customers. Most CAM dry lease customers operate the aircraft themselves (except for Amazon), and Northern Aviation has said that they plan ultimately to operate their dry-leased 767s with their own crews, but the most they have been able to do so far is to crew N379CX (the NAC-painted one). They're using ATI until they can crew their aircraft, which may be soon, and which may not be ever, particularly the service to Hawaii.
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Growth - 2018

Fri May 25, 2018 1:53 am

I actually had one other crazy idea about where 376AN (likely to be 344CM) might be going.

Does anybody know anybody over at ROW who can tell us what the primary color of paint is that's going on that frame? Recently, a report about all the deep red paint they were using on one aircraft essentially-confirmed that it was the NAC-branded one. A little similar sleuthing could solve this one -- just need to know the main color, although it should be taking pretty-good shape 8 days into painting.

I overlooked the part of Acey's post that said that ATI employees would be notified when the contractual details are finalized. If so, then it's not the StratAir aircraft. Making my crazy thought maybe a bit less-crazy.
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Growth - 2018

Mon May 28, 2018 5:07 pm

N376AN is returning to ILN. I’ll see if I can get a picture from the ground as it approaches Wilmington
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Re: Amazon Fleet Growth - 2018

Mon May 28, 2018 6:59 pm

cmairplaneman wrote:
N376AN is returning to ILN. I’ll see if I can get a picture from the ground as it approaches Wilmington


Awesome!! And if not, if we could just know the livery, that would be swell!
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Growth - 2018

Mon May 28, 2018 8:26 pm

Yochai: Nice photo in the database of the ex-S7 Atlas aircraft N1439A!
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Growth - 2018

Mon May 28, 2018 10:33 pm

wjcandee wrote:
Yochai: Nice photo in the database of the ex-S7 Atlas aircraft N1439A!


Can you please post a link to the pic, I look forward to flying her!
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Re: Amazon Fleet Growth - 2018

Tue May 29, 2018 1:14 am

AV8AJET wrote:
wjcandee wrote:
Yochai: Nice photo in the database of the ex-S7 Atlas aircraft N1439A!


Can you please post a link to the pic, I look forward to flying her!


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