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Blerg wrote:LO will also increase ZAG to double daily and BEG to 11 weekly. Belgrade seems to be performing really well for them with strong O&D demand and transfer passengers mostly continuing onto Lot's domestic network but also the Baltics, Chicago and Toronto.
As for WAW, could you tell me where the location of the Central Airport will be? Can't they just use Modlin as the new Warsaw airport?
BOEING777EK wrote:Will the new 787-9's feature a new economy class and business class cabin?
_AA_777_MAN wrote:2X weekly BUD-ORD but only 1X weekly KRK-ORD Ughhhh!! Anyways I'm booked for June ORD-WAW then will be driving on the Polish autobahn to Krakow!
hoya wrote:Blerg wrote:LO will also increase ZAG to double daily and BEG to 11 weekly. Belgrade seems to be performing really well for them with strong O&D demand and transfer passengers mostly continuing onto Lot's domestic network but also the Baltics, Chicago and Toronto.
As for WAW, could you tell me where the location of the Central Airport will be? Can't they just use Modlin as the new Warsaw airport?
Airport will be located where the small town of Baranow is, along the A2 roadway between Warsaw and Lodz. I think it's a bad idea, especially after all the investment into WAW (new terminal, railroad tunnel, hotels), LCJ, and even RMO. WMI won't close, and it'll make FR stronger there as both airports will now be far from the Warsaw city center, even though the new airport is supposed to have a high-speed rail link. But the current government wants the new airport badly, as they believe it can rival a FRA, MUC, etc...
Milka wrote:Despite the Central Airport being decided as the replacement for Warsaw Chopin, the current airport is going to expand before being closed.
mke717spotter wrote:Milka wrote:Despite the Central Airport being decided as the replacement for Warsaw Chopin, the current airport is going to expand before being closed.
Really? A new airport? It doesn't seem like that long ago that they built the new terminal at WAW.
WROORD wrote:The new airport will take up to 10 years to complete so there are still plans to expand Chopin even though it is going to be shut down once the new location is operating. The government plans to turn Chopin into a business 'city' so they hope they will recoup money being spent. In 10 years Chopin is going to be clogged and the airport authority may impose restrictions. If LOT is to continue its expansion there is no other way but to build a new airport. They plan to double their fleet in 10 years and so Chopin could not handle it.
hoya wrote:This all assumes that LO's growth will be successful. It's an extremely ambitious growth plan, though it seems to be doing well so far, but LO is still owned by the government. it wasn't that long ago where the Polish government provided aid to LO (for which the EU punished LO) and was looking for buyers - and no one was interested. Also assumes that LH group and other airlines in the region won't really do anything to counter LO. To base your grandiose airport plan on the success of a single airline is extremely risky.
Johner wrote:Effective 01.06 LOT will launch Warsaw-Skopje and Warsaw-Podgorica. Both will be served 6x weekly and are meant to be summer only. At least for now.
Milka wrote:
RZE-EWR - from 29APR resumes x1 weekly
EL-AL wrote:
Isn't it a bit odd? Lounching major international route from a tiny airport at the far end of Poland, away from major centers? What is the idea here?
EL-AL wrote:Milka wrote:Hi guys, a big update what to expect from LOT in 2018, also if a mod could change the thread title to LOT News I would be thankful.
RZE-EWR - from 29APR resumes x1 weekly
Isn't it a bit odd? Lounching major international route from a tiny airport at the far end of Poland, away from major centers? What is the idea here?
Milka wrote:
The new airport is necessary whether LOT's ambitious growth plans come to fruition or not. Not being bought actually saved LOT, had it been acquired by Lufthansa or similar it would have been turned into a feeder airline with no long haul. The bottom line is that Chopin has a limited capability to expand which will be exhausted sooner rather than later. Budapest airport continues to grow year on year without a flag carrier being present and the same case will apply to Chopin. Polish people fly more and more whilst the country is becoming a tourist hotspot so capacity will be needed one way or another. As Chopin is limited and Modlin badly situated the only solution is a new airport.
Milka
Milka wrote:I struggle to believe that LOT would relaunch the route without some form of backing from companies in the Aviation Valley. The route didn't work out before so going in with the same game plan would be outright dumb.
hoya wrote:
I'm simply not convinced it's necessary. LGW has a single runway and has way more passengers and aircraft movements. I believe that the new airport is a vanity project for the current government. WAW has no room to grow? How about eliminating the Dzialki Ogrodowe just west of runway 33? Or building a new terminal, or expanding the current one, further north closer to the maintenance area? Building a new airport out in Baranow will likely hurt LO, in that the airport will be far from the city center, making FR that much more competitive at WMI, and someone will have to shoulder the costs of a new airport via fees and so on (LO). And Poland has something that Hungary doesn't have - multiple regional airports. Yes, Poles are traveling more and more, hence why airports like WRO, POZ, KTW, KRK, RZE, GDN, etc continue to see growth. Hungary just basically has BUD. The fact LO now flies transatlantic again from RZE and KRK shows how decentralized the aviation market is in Poland. Otherwise, why did Poland invest so heavily into WAW and all the other regional airports, if the plans are now to get everything centralized into one big new airport? Oh, and the EU will not be providing any funds for the new airport. It will all have to be funded by the Polish government.
Johner wrote:Another new route announced - WAW-BLL-WAW effective july, 12xweekly using Embraer170s
hoya wrote:WROORD wrote:The new airport will take up to 10 years to complete so there are still plans to expand Chopin even though it is going to be shut down once the new location is operating. The government plans to turn Chopin into a business 'city' so they hope they will recoup money being spent. In 10 years Chopin is going to be clogged and the airport authority may impose restrictions. If LOT is to continue its expansion there is no other way but to build a new airport. They plan to double their fleet in 10 years and so Chopin could not handle it.
This all assumes that LO's growth will be successful. It's an extremely ambitious growth plan, though it seems to be doing well so far, but LO is still owned by the government. it wasn't that long ago where the Polish government provided aid to LO (for which the EU punished LO) and was looking for buyers - and no one was interested. Also assumes that LH group and other airlines in the region won't really do anything to counter LO. To base your grandiose airport plan on the success of a single airline is extremely risky.
Johner wrote:They will, see the first post.
Blerg wrote:Johner wrote:They will, see the first post.
I know about those six but it seems like they will need a lot more given how many new destinations and frequencies they are adding.
pdp wrote:Blerg wrote:Johner wrote:They will, see the first post.
I know about those six but it seems like they will need a lot more given how many new destinations and frequencies they are adding.
The new MAXs are displacing some of the 737s they've used on the "major" European routes.
EDIT: Fittingly, I'm on the bus to LHR to board LO282!
Johner wrote:pdp wrote:Blerg wrote:
I know about those six but it seems like they will need a lot more given how many new destinations and frequencies they are adding.
The new MAXs are displacing some of the 737s they've used on the "major" European routes.
EDIT: Fittingly, I'm on the bus to LHR to board LO282!
And some additional capacity will be provided by Nordica
pdp wrote:Does this mean the Nordia CRJs will be repainted into an ALL-LOT livery, or will it be like the Q400s and they will fly around during in whatever livery they have? Certainly one of the more diverse fleets in Europe!
Milka wrote:When you look at the new Central Airport from a purely political perspective it seems like a grandiose mega project that only dictatorships like China or Turkey would undertake. But if you look at it from a aviation enthusiast point of view, especially one who travels frequently through WAW (like me) you understand that the new airport is necessary and will be built sooner or later.
Blerg wrote:LOT is adding frequencies and destinations left and right. Where's all this capacity coming from? Have they added new Embraers?
PlaneHunter wrote:Blerg wrote:LOT is adding frequencies and destinations left and right. Where's all this capacity coming from? Have they added new Embraers?
LOT will introduce 6 former Azul Embraer 195 in the coming months.
PixelPilot wrote:According to polish news, 788 flying from Cancun had engine failure in flight and landed in NY. Wonder if RR issues just caught up with LOT.
PixelPilot wrote:According to polish news, 788 flying from Cancun had engine failure in flight and landed in NY. Wonder if RR issues just caught up with LOT.