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mig17 wrote:2. Firming the 16 options for A350 would do the trick. 16 A35K plus some conversion, like 14, from the 49 A359 to A35K.
3. Singapore Airlines group has already more aircraft on order than it's current fleet and that with some brand new aircraft already flying. If they buy more they will be growing fast (more than 10%).
Planeyguy wrote:mig17 wrote:2. Firming the 16 options for A350 would do the trick. 16 A35K plus some conversion, like 14, from the 49 A359 to A35K.
3. Singapore Airlines group has already more aircraft on order than it's current fleet and that with some brand new aircraft already flying. If they buy more they will be growing fast (more than 10%).
But why would SQ need the A35K if they already have the 777X? I just don't see them ordering any more aircrafts since they already have pretty big order book. However, if SQ really wants to do the 50/50, I think they will get more A380s or the A350-900
mig17 wrote:2. Firming the 16 options for A350 would do the trick. 16 A35K plus some conversion, like 14, from the 49 A359 to A35K.
DWC wrote:Planeyguy wrote:mig17 wrote:2. Firming the 16 options for A350 would do the trick. 16 A35K plus some conversion, like 14, from the 49 A359 to A35K.
3. Singapore Airlines group has already more aircraft on order than it's current fleet and that with some brand new aircraft already flying. If they buy more they will be growing fast (more than 10%).
But why would SQ need the A35K if they already have the 777X? I just don't see them ordering any more aircrafts since they already have pretty big order book. However, if SQ really wants to do the 50/50, I think they will get more A380s or the A350-900
It's not necessarily SQ. The graphs are all about SIA.
How they ventilate that between their 3 airlines is the real question. If they choose to continue the political 50/50 parity.
Because of the new Bill crafted in the US, they cannot go below 50 for Boeing.
Because they fly more aircrafts to the EU, I don't think it is a good idea to go below 50 for Airbus.
Plus SQ have been launch carrier for several landmark Airbus WB models...
We should know in a few days...
PS : why did you launch a mirror thread to this one ? There is no need for 2 threads on the 2018 Singapore Air Show...
Planeyguy wrote:DWC wrote:PS : why did you launch a mirror thread to this one ? There is no need for 2 threads on the 2018 Singapore Air Show...
My thread is more for orders. I thought you created this thread to ask questions... I can lock mine if you want
DWC wrote:How they ventilate that between their 3 airlines is the real question. If they choose to continue the political 50/50 parity.
Because of the new Bill crafted in the US, they cannot go below 50 for Boeing.
Route66 wrote:What new bill? Do you have the number?
I happened across a beautiful picture of Singapore today on Boeing's homepage. http://www.boeing.com/
Planeyguy wrote:mig17 wrote:2. Firming the 16 options for A350 would do the trick. 16 A35K plus some conversion, like 14, from the 49 A359 to A35K.
3. Singapore Airlines group has already more aircraft on order than it's current fleet and that with some brand new aircraft already flying. If they buy more they will be growing fast (more than 10%).
But why would SQ need the A35K if they already have the 777X? I just don't see them ordering any more aircrafts since they already have pretty big order book. However, if SQ really wants to do the 50/50, I think they will get more A380s or the A350-900
DWC wrote:2. There have been rumours of a large SIA order for Airbus, the one after which Leahy would retire at last, based on a simple argument of arithmetic parity : as SIA has always had a 50/50 parity for both OEMs, their 2017 order for 39 Boeing WBs needs now to be counterbalanced in favour of the Europeans. All detailed with interesting graphics here
https://crucialperspective.com/singapor ... ng-airbus/
Arion640 wrote:I do think singapore will order further A380's before the A380's day is finally done - maybe 4 to 6 in a few years to maintain a replacement programme. But not anytime soon I wouldn't of thought.
SIA expects to continue operating 19 A380s for several more years and is not likely to phase out the type until late next decade. This should give SIA sufficient time to recoup the USD850 million investment.
https://centreforaviation.com/insights/ ... ity-381490
jeffrey0032j wrote:DWC wrote:2. There have been rumours of a large SIA order for Airbus, the one after which Leahy would retire at last, based on a simple argument of arithmetic parity : as SIA has always had a 50/50 parity for both OEMs, their 2017 order for 39 Boeing WBs needs now to be counterbalanced in favour of the Europeans. All detailed with interesting graphics here
https://crucialperspective.com/singapor ... ng-airbus/
The 2017 Boeing order was a return to parity to 50/50. Before that there was a massive imbalance with the 69 (now 67) A350s on order.
INCLUDING THE NEW BOEING AIRCRAFT ORDER WILL TILT SINGAPORE AIRLINES GROUP’S FLEET STRUCTURE IN FAVOUR OF BOEING, RAISING THE PROBABILITY THAT IT WILL ORDER MORE AIRBUS PLANES NEXT
DWC wrote:Arion640 wrote:I do think singapore will order further A380's before the A380's day is finally done - maybe 4 to 6 in a few years to maintain a replacement programme. But not anytime soon I wouldn't of thought.
I personally doubt it, they own the last 19 frames & unusually for SQ, they show every sign of wanting to use them way past their midlife.
More reasons very well explained here :SIA expects to continue operating 19 A380s for several more years and is not likely to phase out the type until late next decade. This should give SIA sufficient time to recoup the USD850 million investment.
https://centreforaviation.com/insights/ ... ity-381490jeffrey0032j wrote:DWC wrote:2. There have been rumours of a large SIA order for Airbus, the one after which Leahy would retire at last, based on a simple argument of arithmetic parity : as SIA has always had a 50/50 parity for both OEMs, their 2017 order for 39 Boeing WBs needs now to be counterbalanced in favour of the Europeans. All detailed with interesting graphics here
https://crucialperspective.com/singapor ... ng-airbus/
The 2017 Boeing order was a return to parity to 50/50. Before that there was a massive imbalance with the 69 (now 67) A350s on order.
I don't know if you read the linked article above, but it says the opposite, in bigger & capital letters :INCLUDING THE NEW BOEING AIRCRAFT ORDER WILL TILT SINGAPORE AIRLINES GROUP’S FLEET STRUCTURE IN FAVOUR OF BOEING, RAISING THE PROBABILITY THAT IT WILL ORDER MORE AIRBUS PLANES NEXT
DWC wrote:jeffrey0032j wrote:The 2017 Boeing order was a return to parity to 50/50. Before that there was a massive imbalance with the 69 (now 67) A350s on order.
I don't know if you read the linked article above, but it says the opposite, in bigger & capital letters :INCLUDING THE NEW BOEING AIRCRAFT ORDER WILL TILT SINGAPORE AIRLINES GROUP’S FLEET STRUCTURE IN FAVOUR OF BOEING, RAISING THE PROBABILITY THAT IT WILL ORDER MORE AIRBUS PLANES NEXT
jeffrey0032j wrote:DWC wrote:jeffrey0032j wrote:The 2017 Boeing order was a return to parity to 50/50. Before that there was a massive imbalance with the 69 (now 67) A350s on order.
I don't know if you read the linked article above, but it says the opposite, in bigger & capital letters :INCLUDING THE NEW BOEING AIRCRAFT ORDER WILL TILT SINGAPORE AIRLINES GROUP’S FLEET STRUCTURE IN FAVOUR OF BOEING, RAISING THE PROBABILITY THAT IT WILL ORDER MORE AIRBUS PLANES NEXT
I would say that is just the opinion of the article, the fact is before the 2017 Boeing order, it was heavily tilted towards Airbus. So, now it is in balance and I honestly don't see them needing that many planes, so I don't expect any SQ orders.
Bombardier Presence at Singapore Airshow Underscores its Significant Momentum in the Asia-Pacific Region
https://www.bombardier.com/en/media/new ... ercom.html
Airbus and Boeing are sending the heads of their services divisions to Singapore as they look to increase their presence in the maintenance, repair and operations industry.
But on the sales side, a final push late last year by legendary Airbus commercial sales head John Leahy before he retired has pulled orders forward and is expected to result in a weak start to the year.
“I‘m not expecting much,” DVB Bank’s van Leeuwen said of Singapore Airshow orders. “I wouldn’t be disappointed if there are few orders or if the whole year in 2018 doesn’t bring many orders because this is an industry where there is an eight-year backlog of production.”
The buzz around product launches - a big sales driver at airshows - is expected to be missing at the Singapore event as Boeing’s keenly watched decision on introducing a potential new mid-market airplane is not expected until later in 2018.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-sing ... SKBN1FL6OM
DWC wrote:Route66 wrote:What new bill? Do you have the number?
I happened across a beautiful picture of Singapore today on Boeing's homepage. http://www.boeing.com/
I am sure Boeing should do well in Asia too
As to the bill being studied ( not passed yet ), my memory fails me as to the specifics, but had to do with a recent discussion in the last months here on a-net, on new enforcements being developped for some countries not served by a US airline : that UA serves SIN saved Singapore. Might have been openskies or something.
Point is SIA wouldn't want to give more weight to those backing it by unduly tilting their orders in favour of Airbus, perhaps their ordering Boeings first in 2017 was also done in that line of thought.
KarelXWB wrote:And P&W sings a 15-year EngineWise fleet management agreement with Turkish Airlines.
http://newsroom.pw.utc.com/2018-02-06-P ... h-Airlines
chiad wrote:Vistara may buy up to 60 NEO or MAX.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... nst-boeing
1. Budget operators IndiGo, run by InterGlobe Aviation Ltd., and SpiceJet Ltd. are now exploring the low-cost, long-haul model, which would need widebody aircraft on top of the more than 500 single-aisle jets already on order from them.
2. Jet Airways India Ltd. is also in talks to buy as many as 100 narrowbody jets.
3. Airbus’s new sales chief Eric Schulz said Tuesday in Singapore that the order book for its narrowbodies is “forcing” the planemaker to look at how it can raise production rates for the A320 above the 60 planes a month target by mid-2019.
4. The three Gulf carriers combined have about an 18 percent market share in India.
DWC wrote:Perhaps one shouldn't expect too much in civilian orders & MoUs :
Planeyguy wrote:A Korean Air Force's Black Eagles plane have just skidded off a runaway during takeoff!
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/si ... at-9932322
KarelXWB wrote:Singapore Air Show has always been a bit of a low key event. Paris and Dubai are the air shows where big orders are being announced.
ST Aerospace subsidiary, Elbe Flugzeugwerke (EFW), has landed a contract from Vallair Solutions Sàrl (Vallair) to convert 10 A321-200 passenger aircraft to 14-pallet freighters (P2F).
The first aircraft will be inducted in the last quarter of 2018, scheduled for redelivery by end of 2019. A value for the deal was not revealed.
Gregoire Lebigot, chief executive of aviation company Vallair, said: "We see a huge potential in the A321P2F, not only as a replacement of the B757 freighter, but as a key tool for the cargo industry to achieve the projected growth rate of the air freight market in general - in particular, driven by express services and e-commerce."
DWC wrote:KarelXWB wrote:Singapore Air Show has always been a bit of a low key event. Paris and Dubai are the air shows where big orders are being announced.
Absolutely !
I was actually expecting that big Asian order rumour to materialize, or some other panache order for Leahy's last show.
The article below adds how the Singapore Air Show is ill-timed & ignored by most airlines, even SIA & Boeing are not playing ball...
Main points :https://centreforaviation.com/insights/ ... ket-396394
- Singapore has the disadvantage of taking place less than four months after Dubai. It is also early in the year, when order activity is generally low.
- The Singapore Airshow will be Mr Leahy's last public appearance. Announcing the Emirates order would have made for a nice farewell party for Mr Leahy. However, Emirates and the Gulf carriers typically do not use the Singapore Airshow to make a splash.
- Several Southeast Asian airlines always attend Singapore Airshow along with some airlines from other parts of Asia. However, the Singapore Airshow has not typically attracted airlines from outside Asia as is the case with Dubai, Farnborough and Paris.
- Several airlines from the region are also not generally interested in airshow announcements. For example Singapore Airlines (SIA) never places orders at the Singapore Airshow - or any other show.
- SIA and Boeing are not even using the show to showcase the 787-10, which will be delivered to launch customer SIA in Mar-2018.
- Boeing also did not bring the 737 MAX 9 although the type is about to enter service and has a Southeast Asian launch customer (Indonesia's Lion Air). Lion already operates the 737 MAX 8 as does SIA regional subsidiary SilkAir and Garuda Indonesia.
- The major manufacturers have relatively few sales campaigns close to conclusion, having ended 2017 with a flurry of orders following a relatively quiet year. Boeing pulled in orders for 265 aircraft in Dec-2017, while Airbus logged 841 orders in the month – better than three quarters of its deals for the year.
DWC wrote:The Singapore Airshow will be Mr Leahy's last public appearance. Announcing the Emirates order would have made for a nice farewell party for Mr Leahy. However, Emirates and the Gulf carriers typically do not use the Singapore Airshow to make a splash.
Although Airbus beat Boeing in the order race last year, following a final flurry of business by Schulz’s predecessor, John Leahy, steadying the demand for Airbus wide-body fleet is a priority after Boeing took three in every four orders in 2017.
“This is an area where we have been most challenged...and I would be honest by saying that part of my success will be measured by my ability to change that,” said Schulz.
“The next 24 months, the next three years, are the years when things have to accelerate, that is for the A330neo and the A350-1000,” he said, adding it was common for airlines to wait until jets entered service before making major decisions.
AngMoh wrote:The purpose of the Singapore Airshow has never been to sell planes. It is to establish Singapore as hub for aerospace and help to attract investments. The GE manufacturing site or the EFW contract for the A321 P2F are the type of deals which are normal for this show. I have hardly ever seen a major aircraft purchase announced at the Singapore Airshow. Also there is a lot of defense stuff going on an often that does not lead to big public announcements.
Revelation wrote:DWC wrote:The Singapore Airshow will be Mr Leahy's last public appearance. Announcing the Emirates order would have made for a nice farewell party for Mr Leahy. However, Emirates and the Gulf carriers typically do not use the Singapore Airshow to make a splash.
http://aviationweek.com/singapore-airsh ... tion-rates reports that Leahy retired at the end of January.
We've seen plenty of quotes from Schulz (god I hope I spelled that right) to know he's now on the job.