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JQflightie wrote:redroo wrote:I find it frustrating with QF and the constant reconfigure of the aircraft. At the time of the business suite install it was plain for all to see that the one toilet in J was a bad idea and these “domestic” birds would eventually be used internationally. Fast forward a few years and the birds are flying internationally and we need more toots !!
To be fair, whilst frustrating, feedback from passengers and crew helps to solve these issues - and QF have listened if this is the case of the change to 2 Lav's - remember its still only rumourville. Having said that, this was the location of a galley, and aparently still has a majority of the pipework under the flooring, so it could be quiet a easy fix.
TN486 wrote:what specific routes will these ex JQ A320's be flying in the west ?
JQflightie wrote:QF have a virtual fly through of the T3 International Terminal, and I have seen it, and it's great, but it's only been released to QF staff
It looks good.
Also, even thought the transit lounge will on,y be open to the customers transiting through from LHR, remember that there is also a International Business Class lounge being built in the terminal too for JC customers and top tier FF's and this too includes showers, so customers on the 71/72, 77/78 and when/if it comes back the 111/112.
On that note, the 111/112 was actually cut short this year, it was suppose to run until April, but was cut early January.
smi0006 wrote:With regard to premium economy, would be interesting to contrast how much is bound for Asia on CX, SQ and how much is continuing on to Europe. I wonder where the majority of the public see value in premium economy? Maybe 8hrs? I’m not sure QF could achieve a market like SQ/CX to Asia. I’d be skeptics of BKK,CGK,MNL
angusjt wrote:TN486 wrote:what specific routes will these ex JQ A320's be flying in the west ?
More than likely to be FIFO charter to Broome, Karratha, Port Hedland, Kalgoorlie, Christmas Creek etc.
ZK-NBT wrote:Zkpilot wrote:mrkerr7474 wrote:How come Qantas don't offer a PE offering on the international configured A332 or A333?
Although the flights aren't as long as those to UK or US, surely there must be a case to have a few rows (3 even) of PE in a 2-3-2 configuration to go against competitors as well as have that in between Economy and Business market?
Anyone with ideas as to why they haven't re-looked at this or aren't doing it?
Probably because it would be difficult to service galley wise. The A330 has a galley at door 1,2 and 4. PE would be located between 2 and 3 so puts a lot of pressure for space on galley at 2. On some configs it would involve moving through business cabin to get to PE which isn’t ideal. On the 744 it was done out of the economy galley at door 4 which wasn’t far away. Door 4 on an A330 is quite far.
Surely if QF saw demand for W on the routes the A330 fleet flies it they would have installed it. It’s not so probably no demand
qf2220 wrote:ZK-NBT wrote:Zkpilot wrote:Probably because it would be difficult to service galley wise. The A330 has a galley at door 1,2 and 4. PE would be located between 2 and 3 so puts a lot of pressure for space on galley at 2. On some configs it would involve moving through business cabin to get to PE which isn’t ideal. On the 744 it was done out of the economy galley at door 4 which wasn’t far away. Door 4 on an A330 is quite far.
Surely if QF saw demand for W on the routes the A330 fleet flies it they would have installed it. It’s not so probably no demand
Yeah this - if it made sense to do it even thouhg the galley wasn't optimal they would go ahead with it.
CX is on record somewhere saying that W to Australia doesnt work for them either. Its just too short a route up to most Asian places where the 330 fleet goes. Only makes sense on the long haul routes.
CraigAnderson wrote:JQflightie wrote:QF have a virtual fly through of the T3 International Terminal, and I have seen it, and it's great, but it's only been released to QF staff
It looks good.
Also, even thought the transit lounge will on,y be open to the customers transiting through from LHR, remember that there is also a International Business Class lounge being built in the terminal too for JC customers and top tier FF's and this too includes showers, so customers on the 71/72, 77/78 and when/if it comes back the 111/112.
On that note, the 111/112 was actually cut short this year, it was suppose to run until April, but was cut early January.
I wish they're share that flythrough video!
You say QF is building a new international business class lounge in T3? That's the first I have heard of it. Surprised it has not been announced by Qantas or leaked or reported anywhere. What is the 'source' for this?
TN486 wrote:Changing the subject somewhat, what specific routes will these ex JQ A320's be flying in the west ?
smi0006 wrote:With regard to premium economy, would be interesting to contrast how much is bound for Asia on CX, SQ and how much is continuing on to Europe. I wonder where the majority of the public see value in premium economy? Maybe 8hrs? I’m not sure QF could achieve a market like SQ/CX to Asia. I’d be skeptics of BKK,CGK,MNL
zkncj wrote:smi0006 wrote:With regard to premium economy, would be interesting to contrast how much is bound for Asia on CX, SQ and how much is continuing on to Europe. I wonder where the majority of the public see value in premium economy? Maybe 8hrs? I’m not sure QF could achieve a market like SQ/CX to Asia. I’d be skeptics of BKK,CGK,MNL
Have noticed how popular PE has been getting on SYD,BNE,MEL on NZ over the past 18 months (some passengers will be onwards to the USA), its not uncommon to be on these flights with the PE cabin 90-100% full and the flights are only 3-4hours.
That partly comes down too, its much more cost-effective than J on an short-haul service starting at $399ow, when J is more like $899ow. Also that the NZ hard/soft product in PE is about the same or better than on QF/VA 738 J product.
QF probably could see PE on SYD/MEL-PER without to much issues, there is an growing market of private travelers with some wealth.
Obzerva wrote:From memory I think CX originally went for 5 rows of premium economy on the A330s they fitted with premium, and then realised that was too many so went back to 3 rows (21 seats).
Now with a lot of the A330s progressively coming off the AU routes and being replaced with A350s, the number of premium economy seats lifts again, this time to 28.
The A350-1000 which CX has mentioned is likely to SYD will have more again, at 32 seats.
So in the space of a few years, they've gone from introducing it, to downsizing it, to incrementally upsizing it.
JQflightie wrote:On other news, the 39 QF B738 with Qantas Entertainment BYOD are getting fitted with USB ports in YC and JC will be getting USB/Power Ports. Retro fitting has already begun. Great news for the travelling public.
TN486 wrote:Changing the subject somewhat, what specific routes will these ex JQ A320's be flying in the west ?
TN486 wrote:TN486 wrote:Changing the subject somewhat, what specific routes will these ex JQ A320's be flying in the west ?
Thank you to those who replied to my question. SO, another query. Why is the QF group introducing the A320 to routes intra WA, and can this be a forerunner to "bigger" things? (I know, this is introducing possible discussion around "conspiracy theories"). Is there a chance the A320 is operationally more compatible than the 738 on these routes intra WA?
TN486 wrote:^^ There are "infrequent" flyers as well, so they probably wouldn't be aware of commonality. There are literally millions of Australians who are QF FF's who are very infrequent travellers (I would suspect who travel economy). They love travelling the Big Red and wouldn't fly anyone else. So, to be a devils advocate, and not being seen to be rude, who cares? I hasten to add I know the answer to that question, I am trying to put it in perspective, as it were.
JQflightie wrote:Hey TN486,Nothing has been officially released to the crew yet, but I believe the A320's are predominantly for the likes of GBW/CKW/SLJ first, this will free up atleast 1 B738 for double daily SIN. We were communicated the changes would take place March - the start of the Winter Schedule, however looking through the bid book, not much has changed, so a possible change in date.
The rotation of A/C for the 71/72 usually goes either PER-SLJ/ZNE-PER-SIN-PER so it will be interesting to see if we just have a dedicated few aircraft rotated on the SIN flights, it seems a bit of a waste of aircraft to purely just have 1 B738 just doing the 1 rotation to SIN daily, my bet is that it may look a little like this; ADL-PER-SIN-PER-ADL.
QF744ER wrote:JQflightie wrote:Hey TN486,Nothing has been officially released to the crew yet, but I believe the A320's are predominantly for the likes of GBW/CKW/SLJ first, this will free up atleast 1 B738 for double daily SIN. We were communicated the changes would take place March - the start of the Winter Schedule, however looking through the bid book, not much has changed, so a possible change in date.
The rotation of A/C for the 71/72 usually goes either PER-SLJ/ZNE-PER-SIN-PER so it will be interesting to see if we just have a dedicated few aircraft rotated on the SIN flights, it seems a bit of a waste of aircraft to purely just have 1 B738 just doing the 1 rotation to SIN daily, my bet is that it may look a little like this; ADL-PER-SIN-PER-ADL.
I don't get this 'freeing up a B738 to operate the double daily SIN flight' theory, QF77/78 has been operating for months now. The aircraft used on the outbound QF77 generally does a regional WA and/or arrives from interstate prior to operating that flight. Could it be possibly for the new MEL-DPS which will require a high thrust rated B738?
The PER-SIN and SYD-DPS flights are only ever operated by -VZZ and XZA thru to J....not sure what differences -XZL thru to -XZP have and why these never operate these longer International services. Any takers??
TN486 wrote:TN486 wrote:Changing the subject somewhat, what specific routes will these ex JQ A320's be flying in the west ?
Thank you to those who replied to my question. SO, another query. Why is the QF group introducing the A320 to routes intra WA, and can this be a forerunner to "bigger" things? (I know, this is introducing possible discussion around "conspiracy theories"). Is there a chance the A320 is operationally more compatible than the 738 on these routes intra WA?
JQflightie wrote:On other news, the 39 QF B738 with Qantas Entertainment BYOD are getting fitted with USB ports in YC and JC will be getting USB/Power Ports. Retro fitting has already begun. Great news for the travelling public.
QF744ER wrote:
The PER-SIN and SYD-DPS flights are only ever operated by -VZZ and XZA thru to J....not sure what differences -XZL thru to -XZP have and why these never operate these longer International services. Any takers??
angusjt wrote:QF744ER wrote:
The PER-SIN and SYD-DPS flights are only ever operated by -VZZ and XZA thru to J....not sure what differences -XZL thru to -XZP have and why these never operate these longer International services. Any takers??
If I recall correctly XZP was used for the inaugural QF71/72 flight back in 2015. I also recall seeing XZM operating QF71/72 a couple times over the past year or so, but dont quote me on that.
aerokiwi wrote:TN486 wrote:^^ There are "infrequent" flyers as well, so they probably wouldn't be aware of commonality. There are literally millions of Australians who are QF FF's who are very infrequent travellers (I would suspect who travel economy). They love travelling the Big Red and wouldn't fly anyone else. So, to be a devils advocate, and not being seen to be rude, who cares? I hasten to add I know the answer to that question, I am trying to put it in perspective, as it were.
It's also interesting because a few threads back it was Virgin getting dumped on for "inconsistent" onboard product. Yet with all the flying I've done domestically over the past 4 years, it had always been Qantas guilty (guiltier?) of that charge. But why fight it when folks are on VA bash roll?
Where it sticks out most is in J on A330 flights where a 737 is subbed in. Man that sucks from both carriers. But at least VA has a consistent 737 and A330 product, regardless aircraft age.
getluv wrote:aerokiwi wrote:TN486 wrote:^^ There are "infrequent" flyers as well, so they probably wouldn't be aware of commonality. There are literally millions of Australians who are QF FF's who are very infrequent travellers (I would suspect who travel economy). They love travelling the Big Red and wouldn't fly anyone else. So, to be a devils advocate, and not being seen to be rude, who cares? I hasten to add I know the answer to that question, I am trying to put it in perspective, as it were.
It's also interesting because a few threads back it was Virgin getting dumped on for "inconsistent" onboard product. Yet with all the flying I've done domestically over the past 4 years, it had always been Qantas guilty (guiltier?) of that charge. But why fight it when folks are on VA bash roll?
Where it sticks out most is in J on A330 flights where a 737 is subbed in. Man that sucks from both carriers. But at least VA has a consistent 737 and A330 product, regardless aircraft age.
And here is your combined monthly QF bashing and VA is great post.
QF have a more complex operation than VA, more aircraft and is in the midst of balancing growth with capex. Air NZ also offers an inconsistent product across the Tasman, again owing to a more complex operation.
It is not possible for a 737 to be subbed in for an A330 within a month’s notice, in fact the flight would be cancelled. Most aircraft decisions are made several weeks in advance while high spending J’s and Flexi Y’s will generally book last minute, so it is doubtful that any aircraft changes made three months in advance would affect them.
The real difference between QF and VA is in the ground operation. VA’s ground operations are still run like an LCC.
If VA is so good they would be cleaning up, yet they aren’t.
qf789 wrote:VH-ZNC is operating its first international service today as QF93
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/vh-znc
HM7 wrote:Does anyone know when vh-znd will have paint scheme released?
QF744ER wrote:JQflightie wrote:Hey TN486,Nothing has been officially released to the crew yet, but I believe the A320's are predominantly for the likes of GBW/CKW/SLJ first, this will free up atleast 1 B738 for double daily SIN. We were communicated the changes would take place March - the start of the Winter Schedule, however looking through the bid book, not much has changed, so a possible change in date.
The rotation of A/C for the 71/72 usually goes either PER-SLJ/ZNE-PER-SIN-PER so it will be interesting to see if we just have a dedicated few aircraft rotated on the SIN flights, it seems a bit of a waste of aircraft to purely just have 1 B738 just doing the 1 rotation to SIN daily, my bet is that it may look a little like this; ADL-PER-SIN-PER-ADL.
I don't get this 'freeing up a B738 to operate the double daily SIN flight' theory, QF77/78 has been operating for months now. The aircraft used on the outbound QF77 generally does a regional WA and/or arrives from interstate prior to operating that flight. Could it be possibly for the new MEL-DPS which will require a high thrust rated B738?
The PER-SIN and SYD-DPS flights are only ever operated by -VZZ and XZA thru to J....not sure what differences -XZL thru to -XZP have and why these never operate these longer International services. Any takers??
a320fan wrote:angusjt wrote:QF744ER wrote:
The PER-SIN and SYD-DPS flights are only ever operated by -VZZ and XZA thru to J....not sure what differences -XZL thru to -XZP have and why these never operate these longer International services. Any takers??
If I recall correctly XZP was used for the inaug
ural QF71/72 flight back in 2015. I also recall seeing XZM operating QF71/72 a couple times over the past year or so, but dont quote me on that.
Perhaps these aircraft have some required equipment for the overwater flights.
qf789 wrote:QF744ER wrote:JQflightie wrote:Hey TN486,Nothing has been officially released to the crew yet, but I believe the A320's are predominantly for the likes of GBW/CKW/SLJ first, this will free up atleast 1 B738 for double daily SIN. We were communicated the changes would take place March - the start of the Winter Schedule, however looking through the bid book, not much has changed, so a possible change in date.
The rotation of A/C for the 71/72 usually goes either PER-SLJ/ZNE-PER-SIN-PER so it will be interesting to see if we just have a dedicated few aircraft rotated on the SIN flights, it seems a bit of a waste of aircraft to purely just have 1 B738 just doing the 1 rotation to SIN daily, my bet is that it may look a little like this; ADL-PER-SIN-PER-ADL.
I don't get this 'freeing up a B738 to operate the double daily SIN flight' theory, QF77/78 has been operating for months now. The aircraft used on the outbound QF77 generally does a regional WA and/or arrives from interstate prior to operating that flight. Could it be possibly for the new MEL-DPS which will require a high thrust rated B738?
The PER-SIN and SYD-DPS flights are only ever operated by -VZZ and XZA thru to J....not sure what differences -XZL thru to -XZP have and why these never operate these longer International services. Any takers??
I actually think it has more to do with the current pilot shortage at the moment and very little to do with freeing up aircraft for QF77/78. Firstly QF77 departs PER after 4pm and most of these mining charters operate in the morning and return from SIN is a redeye where the aircraft would normally be sitting on the ground in PER.
I suspect it has to do more with the pilot shortage. I was told 3 weeks ago by one of my clients who is a FIFO who flies up to KTA that flights are cancelled quite often and as a passenger has been informed they have cancelled due to shortage of pilots. Also when I flew to SYD back in October my flight departed PER around 12pm and while we were taxiing to runway 6 for takeoff we went past at least 6 F100's just parked away from the terminal. I know that the F100's are not utilised fully but I found this odd to see this many aircraft being parked in the middle of the day.
a320fan wrote:QF744ER wrote:QF744ER wrote:TT is shortly returning 2 x A320's off lease.
-VNJ and Q are the frames concerned I believe, hearing one of these will end up with VARA.
So are there incoming 737s? Or is TT going to dramatically shrink as the A320s go. VA just took delivery of their last 737, do they have 10 slack that they can pass off to TT or are they planning to shrink mainline.
I question how well this 737 changeover has been thought through. Are TT crews converting over?
aerokiwi wrote:TN486 wrote:^^ There are "infrequent" flyers as well, so they probably wouldn't be aware of commonality. There are literally millions of Australians who are QF FF's who are very infrequent travellers (I would suspect who travel economy). They love travelling the Big Red and wouldn't fly anyone else. So, to be a devils advocate, and not being seen to be rude, who cares? I hasten to add I know the answer to that question, I am trying to put it in perspective, as it were.
It's also interesting because a few threads back it was Virgin getting dumped on for "inconsistent" onboard product. Yet with all the flying I've done domestically over the past 4 years, it had always been Qantas guilty (guiltier?) of that charge. But why fight it when folks are on VA bash roll?
Where it sticks out most is in J on A330 flights where a 737 is subbed in. Man that sucks from both carriers. But at least VA has a consistent 737 and A330 product, regardless aircraft age.
JQflightie wrote:QF, uses generally a Panasonic IFE equipped BSI aircraft on these international routes. It's down to basically making sure it's a IFE equipped aircraft on that route, as well as DPS, also it must be able to have a 'Crew Rest Facility' installed, which is easy to do on a BSI B737
qf789 wrote:HM7 wrote:Does anyone know when vh-znd will have paint scheme released?
ZND has had its first flight rescheduled at least 3 times this week, its currently sitting in Stall 103 and has been sitting there for a good week now, first flight is now scheduled for tomorrow (early Tuesday our time)
Having kept a watch on things, recently most 787's rolled out at PAE have been sent to PDX for painting. ZND is currently due for delivery 26 Feb
JQflightie wrote:a320fan wrote:angusjt wrote:
If I recall correctly XZP was used for the inaug
ural QF71/72 flight back in 2015. I also recall seeing XZM operating QF71/72 a couple times over the past year or so, but dont quote me on that.
Perhaps these aircraft have some required equipment for the overwater flights.
All aircraft that are going more than 400nm off the coast must carry life rafts and an additional for max capacity, but no this isn't the reason for using these aircraft, as I've said, it's for the onboard product.
However if the aircraft is being painted in Seletar then it can be any B738 in the fleet.
JQflightie wrote:qf789 wrote:QF744ER wrote:
I don't get this 'freeing up a B738 to operate the double daily SIN flight' theory, QF77/78 has been operating for months now. The aircraft used on the outbound QF77 generally does a regional WA and/or arrives from interstate prior to operating that flight. Could it be possibly for the new MEL-DPS which will require a high thrust rated B738?
The PER-SIN and SYD-DPS flights are only ever operated by -VZZ and XZA thru to J....not sure what differences -XZL thru to -XZP have and why these never operate these longer International services. Any takers??
I actually think it has more to do with the current pilot shortage at the moment and very little to do with freeing up aircraft for QF77/78. Firstly QF77 departs PER after 4pm and most of these mining charters operate in the morning and return from SIN is a redeye where the aircraft would normally be sitting on the ground in PER.
I suspect it has to do more with the pilot shortage. I was told 3 weeks ago by one of my clients who is a FIFO who flies up to KTA that flights are cancelled quite often and as a passenger has been informed they have cancelled due to shortage of pilots. Also when I flew to SYD back in October my flight departed PER around 12pm and while we were taxiing to runway 6 for takeoff we went past at least 6 F100's just parked away from the terminal. I know that the F100's are not utilised fully but I found this odd to see this many aircraft being parked in the middle of the day.
QLink is the one with the pilot shortage.... And let's not talk about the F100's....just 6 of them were just parked? Wow! Half the fleet was actually flying?