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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2018

Thu Feb 08, 2018 12:32 am

Looks like QF A332s will expand international services with QF from around September 2018 with SYD-HKG, SYD-KX, SYD-BKK, SYD-PVG, and SYD-PEK all seeing A332s being operated in a 27J/237Y config, I can only assume this will be the 8 IFE fitted A332s - VH-EBM,EBN,EBO,EBP,EBQ,EBR,EBS,EBV.

I can still see a few SYD-PEK flights being sold as 36J/199 which means either EBG/EBL will still be operating in that config or the seat maps haven't been updated yet.

QF did announce last August that EBG/EBL will be getting a cabin refit, but no further details have been released.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2018

Thu Feb 08, 2018 12:44 am

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Looks like QF A332s will expand international services with QF from around September 2018 with SYD-HKG, SYD-KX, SYD-BKK, SYD-PVG, and SYD-PEK all seeing A332s being operated in a 27J/237Y config, I can only assume this will be the 8 IFE fitted A332s - VH-EBM,EBN,EBO,EBP,EBQ,EBR,EBS,EBV.

I can still see a few SYD-PEK flights being sold as 36J/199 which means either EBG/EBL will still be operating in that config or the seat maps haven't been updated yet.

QF did announce last August that EBG/EBL will be getting a cabin refit, but no further details have been released.


So 1J and 6Y will be blocked off for crew then. I assume that the A333's that fly on these routes will be seen on routes such as SYD/MEL/BNE-SIN or flights to AKL where A332's are usually flown
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2018

Thu Feb 08, 2018 12:46 am

Yep looks like the A333s operate a few more SIN and AKL flights from SYD/MEL and BNE.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2018

Thu Feb 08, 2018 12:48 am

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2018

Thu Feb 08, 2018 1:18 am

Perth radio this morning said something about a qantaslink flight into paraburdoo having hard landing then went technical. With delayed inbound/outbound anyone know anything?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2018

Thu Feb 08, 2018 2:35 am

Brisbane Airport is planning a $40 million dollar upgrade to the Domestic terminal building. Work will be on levels 1 and 2. These upgrades will include a host of new things including a northern food court. These upgrades should bring the domestic terminal alongside our well regarded international terminal.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2018

Thu Feb 08, 2018 2:45 am

vhebb wrote:
Looks like QF A332s will expand international services with QF from around September 2018 with SYD-HKG, SYD-KX, SYD-BKK, SYD-PVG, and SYD-PEK all seeing A332s being operated in a 27J/237Y config, I can only assume this will be the 8 IFE fitted A332s - VH-EBM,EBN,EBO,EBP,EBQ,EBR,EBS,EBV.


In January I flew the A332 VH-EBD SYD-SIN with just the iPads in economy. Strange route to put it on considering the quality of the competition.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2018

Thu Feb 08, 2018 3:45 am

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In January I flew the A332 VH-EBD SYD-SIN with just the iPads in economy. Strange route to put it on considering the quality of the competition.


A range of circumstances can disrupt the 'normal' schedules of aircraft. This fact alone is not unique to only QF.
The ipad aircraft are used on int routes as a last resort. Perhaps the scheduled aircraft couldn't operate that flight that day, and an ipad aircraft had to 'step in'. Hey its better than having no aircraft at all and your flight being cancelled outright! 'swings and roundabouts' :)
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2018

Thu Feb 08, 2018 3:48 am

allrite wrote:
vhebb wrote:
Looks like QF A332s will expand international services with QF from around September 2018 with SYD-HKG, SYD-KX, SYD-BKK, SYD-PVG, and SYD-PEK all seeing A332s being operated in a 27J/237Y config, I can only assume this will be the 8 IFE fitted A332s - VH-EBM,EBN,EBO,EBP,EBQ,EBR,EBS,EBV.


In January I flew the A332 VH-EBD SYD-SIN with just the iPads in economy. Strange route to put it on considering the quality of the competition.


Strange indeed and I’d say -EBD operated in lieu of the preferred A332’s aircraft. Sounds like a 1-off even though pop up time to time they are kept to the East-Coast domestic and East-West flying.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2018

Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:03 am

With many of the A330-200 on lease I wonder if QF has been able to negotiate more favourable leases instead of returning them at the end of lease.
 
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Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:07 am

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A range of circumstances can disrupt the 'normal' schedules of aircraft. This fact alone is not unique to only QF.
The ipad aircraft are used on int routes as a last resort. Perhaps the scheduled aircraft couldn't operate that flight that day, and an ipad aircraft had to 'step in'. Hey its better than having no aircraft at all and your flight being cancelled outright! 'swings and roundabouts' :)


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Strange indeed and I’d say -EBD operated in lieu of the preferred A332’s aircraft. Sounds like a 1-off even though pop up time to time they are kept to the East-Coast domestic and East-West flying.

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I think it might have been mentioned as a last minute sub by the crew. Didn't really fuss me as the flight map was still available over QStreaming (except the IFE flight back was actually better), but one American accented passenger threw a hissy fit over not being able to use the iPads until after take-off. :)
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2018

Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:12 am

SQ has revealed that the second route for its soon to be 787-10’s could be an Australian route

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2018

Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:48 am

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SQ has revealed that the second route for its soon to be 787-10’s could be an Australian route

https://www.ausbt.com.au/singapore-airl ... ource=hero

I always thought that CBR would be suited to the 787-10, more than the 77W - more Y and no F.

If WLG can handle the 787-10 in wet conditions, perhaps the SIN - MEL - WLG flight will get it?

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2018

Thu Feb 08, 2018 5:00 am

Tiger Air Australia has suspended flights between Proserpine and Brisbane as well as Brisbane Perth sectors on March 1st 2018. Interestingly they are attributing this to lack of aircraft as they change from A320's to 737. Given that there was a downturn in tourism to Whitsundays following cyclone Debbie, I suspect there was more to the decision.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2018

Thu Feb 08, 2018 5:20 am

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SQ has revealed that the second route for its soon to be 787-10’s could be an Australian route

https://www.ausbt.com.au/singapore-airl ... ource=hero


Id bet on Perth, got some old 777-200s on the route the other cities have quiet modern aircraft into Oz.
 
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Thu Feb 08, 2018 5:38 am

VH-EBS was out of service and VH-EBD was used instead.

The ipad A332s are only used on international routes when something is broken or significantly delayed.
 
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Thu Feb 08, 2018 5:44 am

waoz1 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
SQ has revealed that the second route for its soon to be 787-10’s could be an Australian route

https://www.ausbt.com.au/singapore-airl ... ource=hero


Id bet on Perth, got some old 777-200s on the route the other cities have quiet modern aircraft into Oz.


BNE has four frequencies - two 772's and two 359's - but I don't think they'll get it first. Be a pleasant surprise tho.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2018

Thu Feb 08, 2018 6:27 am

How come Qantas don't offer a PE offering on the international configured A332 or A333?

Although the flights aren't as long as those to UK or US, surely there must be a case to have a few rows (3 even) of PE in a 2-3-2 configuration to go against competitors as well as have that in between Economy and Business market?

Anyone with ideas as to why they haven't re-looked at this or aren't doing it?
 
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Thu Feb 08, 2018 6:32 am

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Tiger Air Australia has suspended flights between Proserpine and Brisbane as well as Brisbane Perth sectors on March 1st 2018. Interestingly they are attributing this to lack of aircraft as they change from A320's to 737. Given that there was a downturn in tourism to Whitsundays following cyclone Debbie, I suspect there was more to the decision.
https://www.whitsundaytimes.com.au/news ... t/3329033/


TT is shortly returning 2 x A320's off lease.
 
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Thu Feb 08, 2018 6:35 am

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waoz1 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
SQ has revealed that the second route for its soon to be 787-10’s could be an Australian route

https://www.ausbt.com.au/singapore-airl ... ource=hero


Id bet on Perth, got some old 777-200s on the route the other cities have quiet modern aircraft into Oz.


BNE has four frequencies - two 772's and two 359's - but I don't think they'll get it first. Be a pleasant surprise tho.


Looking at schedules only one is a 772... maybe added another 359
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2018

Thu Feb 08, 2018 6:37 am

Correct - Brisbane is 3x A359 and 1x 772 daily now.
 
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Thu Feb 08, 2018 6:50 am

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How come Qantas don't offer a PE offering on the international configured A332 or A333?

Although the flights aren't as long as those to UK or US, surely there must be a case to have a few rows (3 even) of PE in a 2-3-2 configuration to go against competitors as well as have that in between Economy and Business market?

Anyone with ideas as to why they haven't re-looked at this or aren't doing it?

Probably because it would be difficult to service galley wise. The A330 has a galley at door 1,2 and 4. PE would be located between 2 and 3 so puts a lot of pressure for space on galley at 2. On some configs it would involve moving through business cabin to get to PE which isn’t ideal. On the 744 it was done out of the economy galley at door 4 which wasn’t far away. Door 4 on an A330 is quite far.
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Thu Feb 08, 2018 7:03 am

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How come Qantas don't offer a PE offering on the international configured A332 or A333?

Although the flights aren't as long as those to UK or US, surely there must be a case to have a few rows (3 even) of PE in a 2-3-2 configuration to go against competitors as well as have that in between Economy and Business market?

Anyone with ideas as to why they haven't re-looked at this or aren't doing it?

Probably because it would be difficult to service galley wise. The A330 has a galley at door 1,2 and 4. PE would be located between 2 and 3 so puts a lot of pressure for space on galley at 2. On some configs it would involve moving through business cabin to get to PE which isn’t ideal. On the 744 it was done out of the economy galley at door 4 which wasn’t far away. Door 4 on an A330 is quite far.


I thought there isn’t much of a galley left on the 332 at door 2 post refurb?
 
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Thu Feb 08, 2018 7:07 am

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Probably because it would be difficult to service galley wise. The A330 has a galley at door 1,2 and 4. PE would be located between 2 and 3 so puts a lot of pressure for space on galley at 2. On some configs it would involve moving through business cabin to get to PE which isn’t ideal. On the 744 it was done out of the economy galley at door 4 which wasn’t far away. Door 4 on an A330 is quite far.


It could be done on the A333? Galley at Door 2 would just need to be slightly larger, as Y starts directly after door 2.

NZ is able todo on 77E (& 789 code 2) without any issues - although probably helps that NZ's meal service for PE is much closer to J and uses the same mains.
 
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Thu Feb 08, 2018 7:11 am

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How come Qantas don't offer a PE offering on the international configured A332 or A333?

Although the flights aren't as long as those to UK or US, surely there must be a case to have a few rows (3 even) of PE in a 2-3-2 configuration to go against competitors as well as have that in between Economy and Business market?

Anyone with ideas as to why they haven't re-looked at this or aren't doing it?

Probably because it would be difficult to service galley wise. The A330 has a galley at door 1,2 and 4. PE would be located between 2 and 3 so puts a lot of pressure for space on galley at 2. On some configs it would involve moving through business cabin to get to PE which isn’t ideal. On the 744 it was done out of the economy galley at door 4 which wasn’t far away. Door 4 on an A330 is quite far.


Surely if QF saw demand for W on the routes the A330 fleet flies it they would have installed it. It’s not so probably no demand
 
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Thu Feb 08, 2018 8:28 am

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Surely if QF saw demand for W on the routes the A330 fleet flies it they would have installed it. It’s not so probably no demand

Don't the A330s fly to the likes of SIN and HKG, on the same routes that SQ and CX have introduced Premium Economy successfully?

Then again, routes to CGK, BKK, MNL and PEK might not warrant this, so perhaps QF could look at having two versions of its A330s?

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Thu Feb 08, 2018 8:35 am

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TT is shortly returning 2 x A320's off lease.


-VNJ and Q are the frames concerned I believe, hearing one of these will end up with VARA.
 
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Surely if QF saw demand for W on the routes the A330 fleet flies it they would have installed it. It’s not so probably no demand

Don't the A330s fly to the likes of SIN and HKG, on the same routes that SQ and CX have introduced Premium Economy successfully?

Then again, routes to CGK, BKK, MNL and PEK might not warrant this, so perhaps QF could look at having two versions of its A330s?

Cheers,

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They do yes, SYD-HKG gets an A380/744 with W on 1 of the 2 flights, Both SYD/MEL-SIN will get A380’s from next month on 1 of 2 flights each. SYD-HND is the only other Asian route with W on the 744.

I wonder what’s happening with BNE-SIN with the LHR service going via SIN again, there was talk of a second daily or the 744 returning, personally I think a second daily A330 is more likely partly because there will later this year be no other 744’s ex BNE once LAX goes 789. A later afternoon flight with shorter connections to LHR.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2018

Thu Feb 08, 2018 10:05 am

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How come Qantas don't offer a PE offering on the international configured A332 or A333?

Although the flights aren't as long as those to UK or US, surely there must be a case to have a few rows (3 even) of PE in a 2-3-2 configuration to go against competitors as well as have that in between Economy and Business market?

Anyone with ideas as to why they haven't re-looked at this or aren't doing it?


I would love to see a standard configuration across all the qantas fleet, but the powers that be love to tinker with IFe, seats, seat covers, toilets.

I would love to see premium economy on the Asian flights but is qantas going to be able to charge double an economy fare? Would you be willing to pay $1000 for a flight to Singapore for what you could get for $500. It’s not a long flight. Certainly not from WA. Singers - Sydney not that much further than a Brisbane - Perth.

Hopefully as the 330 leaves the fleet and the 787 because the backbone of the fleet we will see premium economy but it wouldn’t surprise me if the bean counter rip it out and put in economy thus giving us multiple versions of the 787. Oh for simplicity.

Personally I’d keep a standard configuration and company up the platinums to the bigger premium economy seats if you don’t want to offer a full PE service.
 
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Thu Feb 08, 2018 11:06 am

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TT is shortly returning 2 x A320's off lease.


-VNJ and Q are the frames concerned I believe, hearing one of these will end up with VARA.


Is that to backfill a VARA A320 coming off lease, or are they increasing their A320 fleet in WA?
 
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Thu Feb 08, 2018 1:26 pm

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SQ has revealed that the second route for its soon to be 787-10’s could be an Australian route

https://www.ausbt.com.au/singapore-airl ... ource=hero


Id bet on Perth, got some old 777-200s on the route the other cities have quiet modern aircraft into Oz.


BNE has four frequencies - two 772's and two 359's - but I don't think they'll get it first. Be a pleasant surprise tho.


BNE had a 3rd A359 service added about 3 weeks ago

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Thu Feb 08, 2018 1:38 pm

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Surely if QF saw demand for W on the routes the A330 fleet flies it they would have installed it. It’s not so probably no demand

Don't the A330s fly to the likes of SIN and HKG, on the same routes that SQ and CX have introduced Premium Economy successfully?

Then again, routes to CGK, BKK, MNL and PEK might not warrant this, so perhaps QF could look at having two versions of its A330s?

Cheers,

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QF had 4 configurations on the A332 fleet prior to them being refurbished, the point was made back then that offering less configurations would allow for maximum flexibility like being able to put them on a domestic sector then on a international sector. Further more SIN will have premium economy available in roughly 6 weeks time once the A380 goes back on there from both SYD & MEL so there is little need for another configuration. I also wouldn't be using CX a good example as on their A330's they removed some premium economy seats to add in more economy seats specifically for their Australian services
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QF744ER wrote:
TT is shortly returning 2 x A320's off lease.


-VNJ and Q are the frames concerned I believe, hearing one of these will end up with VARA.


Is that to backfill a VARA A320 coming off lease, or are they increasing their A320 fleet in WA?


They are adding a 3rd A320 to their fleet.
 
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Probably because it would be difficult to service galley wise. The A330 has a galley at door 1,2 and 4. PE would be located between 2 and 3 so puts a lot of pressure for space on galley at 2. On some configs it would involve moving through business cabin to get to PE which isn’t ideal. On the 744 it was done out of the economy galley at door 4 which wasn’t far away. Door 4 on an A330 is quite far.


It could be done on the A333? Galley at Door 2 would just need to be slightly larger, as Y starts directly after door 2.

NZ is able todo on 77E (& 789 code 2) without any issues - although probably helps that NZ's meal service for PE is much closer to J and uses the same mains.

Yes PE on NZ is done out of business galley as it is effectively the same meals. QF PE is an upgraded Y meal and served from a cart (which they don't want in their business cabin).
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NZ is able todo on 77E (& 789 code 2) without any issues - although probably helps that NZ's meal service for PE is much closer to J and uses the same mains.

Yes PE on NZ is done out of business galley as it is effectively the same meals. QF PE is an upgraded Y meal and served from a cart (which they don't want in their business cabin).[/quote]

On QF A333's would would the trolley have to go through the J Cabin? The first row of Y on the A333 is directly behind door 2.
 
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Interesting observation here about QF's new PER lounge, it will be a dedicated "transit lounge" and only for passengers on QF9/10, must have something to do with layout of T3's international wing and location of the lounge in regard to security? Does anybody over at PER know which T3 gates this "international lounge" will be at?

https://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-new-per ... ource=hero


It’s hard to explain if you don’t know the layout but I’ll try. You will deplane in the old Ansett terminal and into the long corridor of gates that used to sit in front of Hudson coffee. The lounge is downstairs. NOT in the old virgin lounge but in another space. The whole transit area takes up most of the terminal and will be a dream to use compared to Dubai. We’re talking a few steps and you’re done.


Thanks, that actually sounds really good. I’m surprised Qantas hasn’t released some fancy animated VR ‘fly through’ to really show how good this might be.


QF have a virtual fly through of the T3 International Terminal, and I have seen it, and it's great, but it's only been released to QF staff
It looks good.
Also, even thought the transit lounge will on,y be open to the customers transiting through from LHR, remember that there is also a International Business Class lounge being built in the terminal too for JC customers and top tier FF's and this too includes showers, so customers on the 71/72, 77/78 and when/if it comes back the 111/112.
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NZ is able todo on 77E (& 789 code 2) without any issues - although probably helps that NZ's meal service for PE is much closer to J and uses the same mains.

Yes PE on NZ is done out of business galley as it is effectively the same meals. QF PE is an upgraded Y meal and served from a cart (which they don't want in their business cabin).


On QF A333's would would the trolley have to go through the J Cabin? The first row of Y on the A333 is directly behind door 2.[/quote]
I haven't seen their reconfig however on their older configs they wouldn't have the space up front for PE as well as J in those galleys. Too far to the Y galley. Not sure if they still do but some of the A330 had business behind the door 2 galley also which is where I was getting at.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2018

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I find it crazy JQ nor TT can make BNE-PER work. QF and VA must make a killing on this route because fares are usually very expensive.


Everytime I've asked the question around the B738/A330 question on the PER-BNE-PER flight, the same response happens; it's not a very profitable route for QF to operate purely A330's, hence why A330's are not dedicated to Australia's longest domestic sector - except when it was battle Royale against VA when every flight East-West was wide body.
So in saying all of this, even though fares are generally higher, it's not infact hugely profitable, and has only ever reached the 4/5 daily when compared to the likes of MEL/SYD, especially when you compare the connection opportunities from BNE- other Dom/INT destinations. Just my 2 cents
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2018

Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:29 am

RE: QF VH-EBG/L A332 refit AND the increased utilization of QF A332s on int schedules from Sept 2018. I read lots of 'stuff' on various forums that the refit EBG/L will have 2 loos in J/C and the current A332s VH-EBM/N/O/P/Q/R/S//V will be retrofitted with 2 loos in Business as these aircraft have fixed avod screens in Economy and will be used for the int flights. Will be interesting to see what actually eventuates. Time will tell (until Sept) Personally I will wait for an official press release from QF :)
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2018

Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:33 am

Zkpilot wrote:
I haven't seen their reconfig however on their older configs they wouldn't have the space up front for PE as well as J in those galleys. Too far to the Y galley. Not sure if they still do but some of the A330 had business behind the door 2 galley also which is where I was getting at.


A333 -https://www.qantas.com/content/dam/qantas/pdfs/qantas-experience/at-the-airport/seat-maps/qantas-seatmap-airbus-333-28J269Y.pdf
A332 - https://www.qantas.com/content/dam/qantas/pdfs/qantas-experience/at-the-airport/seat-maps/qantas-seat-map-332-28J243Yv2.pdf

The A333 wouldn't be an issue, the A332 has an single row of J after doors 2L/R. The A333 does most of the Long-Haul A330 routes, with the A332 mainly being short-haul.

The A332 could have an PE galley placed at the rear of the PE cabin e.g. like NZ does on the 77W.

Or if you look at the 789 on QF https://www.qantas.com/content/dam/qantas/pdfs/qantas-experience/at-the-airport/seat-maps/seat-map-787-9.pdf PE doesn't have an galley.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2018

Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:41 am

vhebb wrote:
Looks like QF A332s will expand international services with QF from around September 2018 with SYD-HKG, SYD-KX, SYD-BKK, SYD-PVG, and SYD-PEK all seeing A332s being operated in a 27J/237Y config, I can only assume this will be the 8 IFE fitted A332s - VH-EBM,EBN,EBO,EBP,EBQ,EBR,EBS,EBV.

I can still see a few SYD-PEK flights being sold as 36J/199 which means either EBG/EBL will still be operating in that config or the seat maps haven't been updated yet.

QF did announce last August that EBG/EBL will be getting a cabin refit, but no further details have been released.


Rumours rumours, rumours.... What is the AV industry without them.
So this has confirmed what we have been hearing for a while (inside) now. Speaking to many of our tech crew, I think you will find its all down to cycle hours for the aircraft. EBA/B/C/D/E/F/J/K 'domestic A332/ex JQ'. What I've been hearing is that these will be swapped for EBM/N/O/P/Q/R/S 'Panasonci IFE' and when the eventual refurb of EBG/L as these are lower cycles and will be doing a majority of the domestic sectors.
We have also been hearing that yes, a 2nd Lav will be getting Installed into where the current 'kennards hire storage facility' is at doors 2.
As for the config 27J a 7A on EBM/N/O/P/Q/R/S is actually Tech Crew rest as the A332's don't have a designated tech crew rest area unlike the one forward of door 1 on the A333's this is for long range flying patterns where it is used. Also on these aircraft 56/57/58AB is for cabin crew rest on long range ops - all of this is on the qantas.com website on the fleet diagrams.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2018

Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:48 am

zkncj wrote:
Zkpilot wrote:
I haven't seen their reconfig however on their older configs they wouldn't have the space up front for PE as well as J in those galleys. Too far to the Y galley. Not sure if they still do but some of the A330 had business behind the door 2 galley also which is where I was getting at.


A333 -https://www.qantas.com/content/dam/qantas/pdfs/qantas-experience/at-the-airport/seat-maps/qantas-seatmap-airbus-333-28J269Y.pdf
A332 - https://www.qantas.com/content/dam/qantas/pdfs/qantas-experience/at-the-airport/seat-maps/qantas-seat-map-332-28J243Yv2.pdf

The A333 wouldn't be an issue, the A332 has an single row of J after doors 2L/R. The A333 does most of the Long-Haul A330 routes, with the A332 mainly being short-haul.

The A332 could have an PE galley placed at the rear of the PE cabin e.g. like NZ does on the 77W.

Or if you look at the 789 on QF https://www.qantas.com/content/dam/qantas/pdfs/qantas-experience/at-the-airport/seat-maps/seat-map-787-9.pdf PE doesn't have an galley.


I think the thing that everyone is forgetting is that the A330 fleet, both 200's and 300's were reconfigured so that they can be used on both the Domestic and International networks, with a offering that works for both.
I don't think the business case works for Premium Economy for Domestic ops, if you have a look at the B789 that's doing the MEL-PER-MEL rotation currently, the Premium Economy is sold as Economy and is filled with staff and high tier FF's.
How is Economy X going for VA? I think that's a indication if it's working.
Basically it all adds cost, different seat, different food, different amenities - it's a cost complexity for the airline - mainly for when the aircraft operates Domestically. I can't remember the last time I operated on a A330 domestically that wasn't full in Economy.
I agree, yes Premium Would be nice on the A330's but from a business POV I don't think it's cost effective... Again my 2 cents.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2018

Fri Feb 09, 2018 3:15 am

JQflightie wrote:
CraigAnderson wrote:
redroo wrote:

It’s hard to explain if you don’t know the layout but I’ll try. You will deplane in the old Ansett terminal and into the long corridor of gates that used to sit in front of Hudson coffee. The lounge is downstairs. NOT in the old virgin lounge but in another space. The whole transit area takes up most of the terminal and will be a dream to use compared to Dubai. We’re talking a few steps and you’re done.


Thanks, that actually sounds really good. I’m surprised Qantas hasn’t released some fancy animated VR ‘fly through’ to really show how good this might be.


QF have a virtual fly through of the T3 International Terminal, and I have seen it, and it's great, but it's only been released to QF staff
It looks good.
Also, even thought the transit lounge will on,y be open to the customers transiting through from LHR, remember that there is also a International Business Class lounge being built in the terminal too for JC customers and top tier FF's and this too includes showers, so customers on the 71/72, 77/78 and when/if it comes back the 111/112.
On that note, the 111/112 was actually cut short this year, it was suppose to run until April, but was cut early January.


Is there an international business lounge being built? Seems a lot of duplication? I haven’t seen it on AusBT I think they referred SIn/AKL would use the domestic business lounge, like contracted carriers and the QF lounge in ADL.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2018

Fri Feb 09, 2018 3:36 am

JQflightie wrote:

I think the thing that everyone is forgetting is that the A330 fleet, both 200's and 300's were reconfigured so that they can be used on both the Domestic and International networks, with a offering that works for both.
I don't think the business case works for Premium Economy for Domestic ops, if you have a look at the B789 that's doing the MEL-PER-MEL rotation currently, the Premium Economy is sold as Economy and is filled with staff and high tier FF's.
How is Economy X going for VA? I think that's a indication if it's working.
Basically it all adds cost, different seat, different food, different amenities - it's a cost complexity for the airline - mainly for when the aircraft operates Domestically. I can't remember the last time I operated on a A330 domestically that wasn't full in Economy.
I agree, yes Premium Would be nice on the A330's but from a business POV I don't think it's cost effective... Again my 2 cents.


AGREE.JQflightie :) Some love to compare QF with SQ or Cx or other OVERSEAS airlines which have a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT BUSINESS MODEL. eg.SQ/CX don't have domestic ops. OZ is a massive island continent at the 'end of the line' with a relatively small population and that population is dense in specific areas of the continent (you can blame QF for that!!! lol ). Laughingly. some expect QF to serve EVERY PORT TO EVERY PORT WITH EVERY PRODUCT :lol: Funny that no one complains that VIRGIN OZ doesn't have A REAL PREMIUM ECONOMY ON THEIR A330s which fly domestic AND int :shock:
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2018

Fri Feb 09, 2018 3:43 am

I find it frustrating with QF and the constant reconfigure of the aircraft. At the time of the business suite install it was plain for all to see that the one toilet in J was a bad idea and these “domestic” birds would eventually be used internationally. Fast forward a few years and the birds are flying internationally and we need more toots !!
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2018

Fri Feb 09, 2018 4:27 am

QF744ER wrote:
QF744ER wrote:
TT is shortly returning 2 x A320's off lease.


-VNJ and Q are the frames concerned I believe, hearing one of these will end up with VARA.

So are there incoming 737s? Or is TT going to dramatically shrink as the A320s go. VA just took delivery of their last 737, do they have 10 slack that they can pass off to TT or are they planning to shrink mainline.

I question how well this 737 changeover has been thought through. Are TT crews converting over?
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2018

Fri Feb 09, 2018 4:31 am

undertheradar wrote:
JQflightie wrote:

I think the thing that everyone is forgetting is that the A330 fleet, both 200's and 300's were reconfigured so that they can be used on both the Domestic and International networks, with a offering that works for both.
I don't think the business case works for Premium Economy for Domestic ops, if you have a look at the B789 that's doing the MEL-PER-MEL rotation currently, the Premium Economy is sold as Economy and is filled with staff and high tier FF's.
How is Economy X going for VA? I think that's a indication if it's working.
Basically it all adds cost, different seat, different food, different amenities - it's a cost complexity for the airline - mainly for when the aircraft operates Domestically. I can't remember the last time I operated on a A330 domestically that wasn't full in Economy.
I agree, yes Premium Would be nice on the A330's but from a business POV I don't think it's cost effective... Again my 2 cents.


AGREE.JQflightie :) Some love to compare QF with SQ or Cx or other OVERSEAS airlines which have a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT BUSINESS MODEL. eg.SQ/CX don't have domestic ops. OZ is a massive island continent at the 'end of the line' with a relatively small population and that population is dense in specific areas of the continent (you can blame QF for that!!! lol ). Laughingly. some expect QF to serve EVERY PORT TO EVERY PORT WITH EVERY PRODUCT :lol: Funny that no one complains that VIRGIN OZ doesn't have A REAL PREMIUM ECONOMY ON THEIR A330s which fly domestic AND int :shock:


Completely agree..... does VA still fly A330's domestically? :duck:
Whilst most people want a PY product on the A330's domestically, i can assure that they will almost certainly not want to pay the price for it, which inevitably would be a huge price hike over a EY ticket, and then because of less seating in the EY cabinb in turn will force prices up. Not a great price to start with. Considering VA are trying to pass 'Economy X' off as a 'Premium product' for $69 for really no benefit except for extra leg room, which can be found at a overwing exit on the 737.... go figure.
And yes, Australia is a unique market with a domestic network unlike CX/SQ - finally someone thinking on my wavelength. - scary.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2018

Fri Feb 09, 2018 4:34 am

smi0006 wrote:
JQflightie wrote:
CraigAnderson wrote:

Thanks, that actually sounds really good. I’m surprised Qantas hasn’t released some fancy animated VR ‘fly through’ to really show how good this might be.


QF have a virtual fly through of the T3 International Terminal, and I have seen it, and it's great, but it's only been released to QF staff
It looks good.
Also, even thought the transit lounge will on,y be open to the customers transiting through from LHR, remember that there is also a International Business Class lounge being built in the terminal too for JC customers and top tier FF's and this too includes showers, so customers on the 71/72, 77/78 and when/if it comes back the 111/112.
On that note, the 111/112 was actually cut short this year, it was suppose to run until April, but was cut early January.


Is there an international business lounge being built? Seems a lot of duplication? I haven’t seen it on AusBT I think they referred SIn/AKL would use the domestic business lounge, like contracted carriers and the QF lounge in ADL.


Ive just checked the ever changing plans, and you are right, however there will be a direct channel from the Domestic JC Lounge into immigration and security, however the 'Transit Lounge' is till being passed off as the INternational JC Lounge internally, and also good to note, QF will be keeping the QF Lounge over in T1 International also.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2018

Fri Feb 09, 2018 4:37 am

redroo wrote:
I find it frustrating with QF and the constant reconfigure of the aircraft. At the time of the business suite install it was plain for all to see that the one toilet in J was a bad idea and these “domestic” birds would eventually be used internationally. Fast forward a few years and the birds are flying internationally and we need more toots !!


To be fair, whilst frustrating, feedback from passengers and crew helps to solve these issues - and QF have listened if this is the case of the change to 2 Lav's - remember its still only rumourville. Having said that, this was the location of a galley, and aparently still has a majority of the pipework under the flooring, so it could be quiet a easy fix.
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