mariner wrote:

CraigAnderson wrote:

More on QF787, sounds like no new orders on Feb22

“We are just taking delivery of the aircraft this year so we really want to see the case working and business case performing the way we expected to,” Qantas CEO Alan Joyce said. “Once we’re comfortable with that, then we will put the order in for further aircraft to replace the (Boeing) 747s.”

https://www.ausbt.com.au/alan-joyce-qan ... ource=grid

I think this is extraordinary. For years AJ has been pumping up the 787 and said he even took another look at the A350 just in case he was wrong but decided that he wasn't. As recently as October 2016 he referred to it - the 787 - as "a gamer changer":

https://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-non-sto ... et-to-soar

"Speaking on the sidelines of this week's reveal of the airline's Boeing 787 business class and economy seats, Qantas CEO Alan Joyce said the advanced jet would be a "game-changer" for the Qantas international network."

Now that he actually has the aircraft, he seems to be backing off. I wonder what happened?

mariner

One potential operator, Qantas, says the NMA would be a very attractive aircraft for Australian domestic routes, says the airline’s CEO, Alan Joyce. Speaking at the Singapore Airshow Aviation Leadership Summit (SAALS), Joyce said he expects average aircraft size to increase, as many of the country’s key airports are becoming slot constrained, and routes such as Sydney-Melbourne are already served with extremely high frequency.

Qantas would want the NMA to enable it to retain its current 35-min. turnarounds, and Joyce expects the aircraft to meet that target if it is, as expected, a twin-aisle that allows for speedy boarding and deplaning of passengers.

Qantas is more interested in operational efficiency than in range, but would look at potentially using it on the Sydney-Singapore route, which exceeds eight hours of flight time. Sydney-Bali is also a potential high-density leisure market that could take the aircraft.

Qantas has 54 Airbus A320neos and 45 A321neos on firm order, none of which have been delivered. Joyce is concerned that turnaround times would be too long if Airbus stretched the A321neo further to offer a bigger competitor to the NMA.

However, the business case for a larger A321neo may still make sense for Qantas if longer ground times are offset by lower acquisition costs, Joyce remarked.

qf789 wrote:

A QF spokesperson has clarified that QF remains committed to the 787 after the comment made by QF CEO has been taken out of context

The next 4 in line are due for delivery in first half of FY20

https://www.airlineratings.com/news/qan ... 7-options/

Qantas will begin flying between Melbourne and Denpasar (Bali) from June 23, 2018

The daily Qantas Boeing 737 flights will run alongside those of low-cost sibling Jetstar, which will also step up to a twice-daily service on the route –although there's no doubt which jet buxiness travellers and serious flyers would prefer to be in.

Qantas flight QF45 will leave Melbourne at 4.50pm, reaching Denpasar at 9.10pm; the QF46 return leg takes wing just one hour later, at 10.10pm, for an arrival into Melbourne at 5.55am the following day.

vhebb wrote:

The last 2yrs most of QFs expansion has been from MEL, BNE and to a lesser extent PER. Not much from SYD.

CraigAnderson wrote:

Interesting observation here about QF's new PER lounge, it will be a dedicated "transit lounge" and only for passengers on QF9/10, must have something to do with layout of T3's international wing and location of the lounge in regard to security? Does anybody over at PER know which T3 gates this "international lounge" will be at?

https://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-new-per ... ource=hero

vhebb wrote:

The last 2yrs most of QFs expansion has been from MEL, BNE and to a lesser extent PER. Not much from SYD.

New routes for MEL and BNE have been:

MEL-NRT-MEL
MEL-CHC-MEL
MEL-DPS-MEL
MEL-SFO-MEL

BNE-CHC-BNE
BNE-NRT-BNE
BNE-POM-BNE

The only 2 remaining routes to be confirmed are the new BNE-USA route, and the future of PER-AKL-PER going year round and maybe increased frequency.

Qantas16 wrote:

Qantas will begin flying between Melbourne and Denpasar (Bali) from June 23, 2018

The daily Qantas Boeing 737 flights will run alongside those of low-cost sibling Jetstar, which will also step up to a twice-daily service on the route –although there's no doubt which jet buxiness travellers and serious flyers would prefer to be in.

Qantas flight QF45 will leave Melbourne at 4.50pm, reaching Denpasar at 9.10pm; the QF46 return leg takes wing just one hour later, at 10.10pm, for an arrival into Melbourne at 5.55am the following day.

Source: https://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-begins- ... li-flights

Great news for Melbourne and a good way for Qantas to utilise a 737 that will otherwise stay overnight in MEL.

qf789 wrote:

Qantas16 wrote:

Qantas will begin flying between Melbourne and Denpasar (Bali) from June 23, 2018

The daily Qantas Boeing 737 flights will run alongside those of low-cost sibling Jetstar, which will also step up to a twice-daily service on the route –although there's no doubt which jet buxiness travellers and serious flyers would prefer to be in.

Qantas flight QF45 will leave Melbourne at 4.50pm, reaching Denpasar at 9.10pm; the QF46 return leg takes wing just one hour later, at 10.10pm, for an arrival into Melbourne at 5.55am the following day.

Source: https://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-begins- ... li-flights

Great news for Melbourne and a good way for Qantas to utilise a 737 that will otherwise stay overnight in MEL.

QF Press Release

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media ... i-service/

sq256 wrote:

PER-DPS have way too much flights as it is (google search pulls up between 8-10x flights per day across 4 carriers).

The yields on that route is trashed and there isn't that much "Cashed Up Bogans" to ensure that replacing a JQ A320 frequency with a QF 737 PER-DPS viable at this time.

sq256 wrote:

PER-DPS have way too much flights as it is (google search pulls up between 8-10x flights per day across 4 carriers).

The yields on that route is trashed and there isn't that much "Cashed Up Bogans" to ensure that replacing a JQ A320 frequency with a QF 737 PER-DPS viable at this time.

waoz1 wrote:

sq256 wrote:

PER-DPS have way too much flights as it is (google search pulls up between 8-10x flights per day across 4 carriers).

The yields on that route is trashed and there isn't that much "Cashed Up Bogans" to ensure that replacing a JQ A320 frequency with a QF 737 PER-DPS viable at this time.

Not that I have been and I am from Perth. But the cashed up bogans comment is a bit offensive.
There are all types of people fly from Perth to Bali hence why Garuda fly a daily A330 with business class.

V8CHRGD wrote:

Does any one know why QF2 diverted to Perth last night?

qf789 wrote:

Qantas16 wrote:

Qantas will begin flying between Melbourne and Denpasar (Bali) from June 23, 2018

The daily Qantas Boeing 737 flights will run alongside those of low-cost sibling Jetstar, which will also step up to a twice-daily service on the route –although there's no doubt which jet buxiness travellers and serious flyers would prefer to be in.

Qantas flight QF45 will leave Melbourne at 4.50pm, reaching Denpasar at 9.10pm; the QF46 return leg takes wing just one hour later, at 10.10pm, for an arrival into Melbourne at 5.55am the following day.

Source: https://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-begins- ... li-flights

Great news for Melbourne and a good way for Qantas to utilise a 737 that will otherwise stay overnight in MEL.

QF Press Release

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media ... i-service/

V8CHRGD wrote:

Does any one know why QF2 diverted to Perth last night?

redroo wrote:

CraigAnderson wrote:

Interesting observation here about QF's new PER lounge, it will be a dedicated "transit lounge" and only for passengers on QF9/10, must have something to do with layout of T3's international wing and location of the lounge in regard to security? Does anybody over at PER know which T3 gates this "international lounge" will be at?

https://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-new-per ... ource=hero

It’s hard to explain if you don’t know the layout but I’ll try. You will deplane in the old Ansett terminal and into the long corridor of gates that used to sit in front of Hudson coffee. The lounge is downstairs. NOT in the old virgin lounge but in another space. The whole transit area takes up most of the terminal and will be a dream to use compared to Dubai. We’re talking a few steps and you’re done.

smi0006 wrote:

I think QF have been growing in SYD too, when did SFO/YVR resume? Not to mention HND, KIX, and DPS.

kriskim wrote:

TT will end 2 routes from BNE:

BNE-PER and BNE-PPP will be suspended from March 1. I'm sure pax will get re-accomodated on VA.

https://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au/n ... 3dc0378a26

kriskim wrote:

TT will end 2 routes from BNE:

BNE-PER and BNE-PPP will be suspended from March 1. I'm sure pax will get re-accomodated on VA.

https://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au/n ... 3dc0378a26

Qantas16 wrote:

kriskim wrote:

TT will end 2 routes from BNE:

BNE-PER and BNE-PPP will be suspended from March 1. I'm sure pax will get re-accomodated on VA.

https://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au/n ... 3dc0378a26

This is quite surprising given both of these routes are relatively new and are both prime candidates for LCC carriers... if they can't make them work then that's a bad sign for TT. BNE-PER has no LCC competition and, from anecdotal evidence, is normally full.

qf002 wrote:

smi0006 wrote:

I think QF have been growing in SYD too, when did SFO/YVR resume? Not to mention HND, KIX, and DPS.

SFO wasnt really growth given it replaced a LAX flight but they’ve also added SYD-PEK and the second daily HKG in the last 2-3 years. Also steady increases to HNL, MNL, CGK etc.

qf789 wrote:

It depends on how you look at it. Whether it is MEL-LAX or MEL-SFO there have been 6 weekly extra flights from MEL-US since December an increase of around 1400 seats per week. For the previous year QF95/96 was operated seasonal and prior to that 2-3 weekly so there still has been some growth in that market

qf002 wrote:

qf789 wrote:

It depends on how you look at it. Whether it is MEL-LAX or MEL-SFO there have been 6 weekly extra flights from MEL-US since December an increase of around 1400 seats per week. For the previous year QF95/96 was operated seasonal and prior to that 2-3 weekly so there still has been some growth in that market

Talking about SYD-SFO not MEL-SFO.

waoz1 wrote:

Qantas16 wrote:

kriskim wrote:

TT will end 2 routes from BNE:

BNE-PER and BNE-PPP will be suspended from March 1. I'm sure pax will get re-accomodated on VA.

https://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au/n ... 3dc0378a26

This is quite surprising given both of these routes are relatively new and are both prime candidates for LCC carriers... if they can't make them work then that's a bad sign for TT. BNE-PER has no LCC competition and, from anecdotal evidence, is normally full.

Not sure the TT brand can keep this up. Cancels all Bali now other routes?
Virgin should just keep its branding ... maybe revive the skywest brand as a low cost offshoot.

smi0006 wrote:

waoz1 wrote:

Qantas16 wrote:

This is quite surprising given both of these routes are relatively new and are both prime candidates for LCC carriers... if they can't make them work then that's a bad sign for TT. BNE-PER has no LCC competition and, from anecdotal evidence, is normally full.

Not sure the TT brand can keep this up. Cancels all Bali now other routes?
Virgin should just keep its branding ... maybe revive the skywest brand as a low cost offshoot.

I don’t necessarily think SkyWest would work over east. But I agree a new brand is in order - Tiger stands for nothing, and is anecdotal associated with poor quality. I think new uniforms and livery tweaks were a waste of money - a new bold brand was in order.

I think Aussies would welcome a fun LCC like DJ was, a WN style brand. Some character. I’d describe JQ as professional and functional LCC branding. Even Wizz has got more persona than Tiger.

kriskim wrote:

smi0006 wrote:

waoz1 wrote:

Not sure the TT brand can keep this up. Cancels all Bali now other routes?
Virgin should just keep its branding ... maybe revive the skywest brand as a low cost offshoot.

I don’t necessarily think SkyWest would work over east. But I agree a new brand is in order - Tiger stands for nothing, and is anecdotal associated with poor quality. I think new uniforms and livery tweaks were a waste of money - a new bold brand was in order.

I think Aussies would welcome a fun LCC like DJ was, a WN style brand. Some character. I’d describe JQ as professional and functional LCC branding. Even Wizz has got more persona than Tiger.

Well I think we need something more akin to Fun! I made this concept up, its called KOALAIR !



Koala was modified, all rights reserved and credits to the original creators.

Qantas16 wrote:

Who said replacing? QF services on SYD/MEL haven't come at the expense of a JQ service, they have come in addition too. The 8-10 flights a day shows an incredible demand for services and QF would surely be able to capture significant yield by being the best carrier on the route. Not to mention it's using an aircraft that is otherwise sitting around doing nothing.

qf789 wrote:

A passenger has been banned from the QF Group after being disruptive on a Jetstar SYD-DPS flight on Monday night. The passenger along with their travelling group were denied entry and returned to Australia today

http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-up ... 74cada28e2

qf789 wrote:

JL to send 789 to MEL for 3 weeks during July, similarly to what they did over Dec/Jan

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... t-changes/

IndianicWorld wrote:

qf789 wrote:

JL to send 789 to MEL for 3 weeks during July, similarly to what they did over Dec/Jan

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... t-changes/

Great to see JL seemingly performing well on the route. Hopefully their 789 becomes a more regular visitor too in the future.

Must say I had my doubts about how JL and QF would go on the route, but the traffic numbers certainly have been impressive.

sq256 wrote:

Qantas16 wrote:

Who said replacing? QF services on SYD/MEL haven't come at the expense of a JQ service, they have come in addition too. The 8-10 flights a day shows an incredible demand for services and QF would surely be able to capture significant yield by being the best carrier on the route. Not to mention it's using an aircraft that is otherwise sitting around doing nothing.

Incredible demand doesn't necessarily mean high yield traffic. Bali is generally a popular low-yielding holiday spot with a "bogan" type reputation. There are also questions whether Perth has the "cashed up" population to support another full service carrier on the route. Sydney and Melbourne has the "cashed up" population/suits (along with FF wanting to burn points) to at least support a daily 737.

EDIT: GA, being the only full-service carrier on the PER-DPS route, only flies 5 weekly during the low season.

qf789 wrote:

IndianicWorld wrote:

qf789 wrote:

JL to send 789 to MEL for 3 weeks during July, similarly to what they did over Dec/Jan

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... t-changes/

Great to see JL seemingly performing well on the route. Hopefully their 789 becomes a more regular visitor too in the future.

Must say I had my doubts about how JL and QF would go on the route, but the traffic numbers certainly have been impressive.

Yes its good to see considering that the route has been going not that long, however saying that their configuration of the 787's would not be too difficult to fill, I assume they send the 3 class 788 which is 28J35W88Y (151 seats),2 class is 42J144Y (186 seats), their 789's are both configured with 35W116Y, there is a difference in J by 8 seats (44 to 52) which at most is a total of 203 seats

waoz1 wrote:

qf789 wrote:

IndianicWorld wrote:

Great to see JL seemingly performing well on the route. Hopefully their 789 becomes a more regular visitor too in the future.

Must say I had my doubts about how JL and QF would go on the route, but the traffic numbers certainly have been impressive.

Yes its good to see considering that the route has been going not that long, however saying that their configuration of the 787's would not be too difficult to fill, I assume they send the 3 class 788 which is 28J35W88Y (151 seats),2 class is 42J144Y (186 seats), their 789's are both configured with 35W116Y, there is a difference in J by 8 seats (44 to 52) which at most is a total of 203 seats

Wonder if we will ever see one of these japanese carriers in the west :/
Glad melbournes doing well on the new service

qf789 wrote:

IndianicWorld wrote:

qf789 wrote:

JL to send 789 to MEL for 3 weeks during July, similarly to what they did over Dec/Jan

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... t-changes/

Great to see JL seemingly performing well on the route. Hopefully their 789 becomes a more regular visitor too in the future.

Must say I had my doubts about how JL and QF would go on the route, but the traffic numbers certainly have been impressive.

Yes its good to see considering that the route has been going not that long, however saying that their configuration of the 787's would not be too difficult to fill, I assume they send the 3 class 788 which is 28J35W88Y (151 seats),2 class is 42J144Y (186 seats), their 789's are both configured with 35W116Y, there is a difference in J by 8 seats (44 to 52) which at most is a total of 203 seats

Flyingsottsman wrote:

Friend of mine at work heading of to Bali tomorrow was meant to fly out 9.35 tomorrow morning on JQ, she got a sms to say the aircraft has gone tech and they wont be leaving until 2.45 tomorrow afternoon I think she said MEL to DPS what happens when an aircraft goes tech?

waoz1 wrote:

qf789 wrote:

IndianicWorld wrote:

Great to see JL seemingly performing well on the route. Hopefully their 789 becomes a more regular visitor too in the future.

Must say I had my doubts about how JL and QF would go on the route, but the traffic numbers certainly have been impressive.

Yes its good to see considering that the route has been going not that long, however saying that their configuration of the 787's would not be too difficult to fill, I assume they send the 3 class 788 which is 28J35W88Y (151 seats),2 class is 42J144Y (186 seats), their 789's are both configured with 35W116Y, there is a difference in J by 8 seats (44 to 52) which at most is a total of 203 seats

Wonder if we will ever see one of these japanese carriers in the west :/
Glad melbournes doing well on the new service