Emirates Announces Santiago, Chile from 05JUL18

ojas · Wed Jan 31, 2018 6:52 am

Emirates Announces DXB - GRU - SCL 5 times a week from 05JUL18

The schedule is as follows:

EK 263 DXB - GRU 0905 1700 Tu, Th, Fr, Sa, Su
-------- GRU - SCL 1830 2140 Tu, Th, Fr, Sa, Su

EK 264 SCL - GRU 0110 0555 Mo, We, Fr, Sa, Su
--------- GRU - DXB+1 0745 0515+1 Mo, We, Fr, Sa, Su

Aircraft: B777-200LR ( 2 class configuration)

http://gulfbusiness.com/dubais-emirates ... -santiago/

smi0006 · Wed Jan 31, 2018 6:57 am

Is this a new config for their 77L? Two class only? Seems the perfect size to open long and thin routes just like this!

xwb777 · Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:24 am

The new 2 class B77Ls will be configured in 38 business class seats (6 abreast) and 238 economy class seats

migair54 · Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:47 am

it's great news, but I think it's strange that EK will do this without traffic rights between GRU-SCL. I always thought that this will happen sooner or later but I thought that EK will have traffic rights.
Slowly EK is getting many flights back that were reduced, let's see if some more America flights recover the flights, or we can see some new destinations added.

It looks like finally the B77L is finding a good place, but EK is just using it like the B787, so why EK did not order the B787 before??

LPSHobby · Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:03 am

so will they have 2 flights to GRU, this one with 772 and the other with A380?

prchan · Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:10 am

I would infer from the link that they do have traffic rights on GRU-SCL.
The article even outlines the possibility of Brazilians and Chileans travelling with their IDs only.

AirIndia · Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:26 am

LPSHobby wrote:
so will they have 2 flights to GRU, this one with 772 and the other with A380?

Yes. in total 12 fligthts a week.

AirIndia · Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:28 am

migair54 wrote:
It looks like finally the B77L is finding a good place, but EK is just using it like the B787, so why EK did not order the B787 before??

Sir the787-10s that EK has ordered are for the mid-to-long range (8 hours) missions. The 77Ls are still performing ULH missions with interim regional turn arounds.

parapente · Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:36 am

Yup article states they do have the required rights.
Chile is going great guns at the moment,Particulary with their copper and now lithium deposits.This will imho work well and further strengthen Emirates overall aim to go from And to anywhere via Dubai.

VCEflyboy · Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:00 am

How did KLM get 5th freedom rights and EK didn’t?

ojas · Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:14 am

To clarify Emirates has 5th freedom rights between GRU and SCL.

parapente · Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:02 pm

I imagine this is likely to complete their South American network for the moment?
I guess they could try the old 'double stop' Venezuela and Peru? But I doubt it.

LupineChemist · Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:17 pm

xwb777 wrote:
The new 2 class B77Ls will be configured in 38 business class seats (6 abreast) and 238 economy class seats

So they're finally ditching 2-3-2 in J?

VCEflyboy · Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:59 pm

ojas wrote:
To clarify Emirates has 5th freedom rights between GRU and SCL.

They don’t.

Mistral1 · Wed Jan 31, 2018 1:04 pm

Yes, they do. Confirmed by the Chilean aviation authorities.

emiratesdriver · Wed Jan 31, 2018 1:21 pm

Another bit of ambition out of fort fumble, the current requirement is for a further 880 pilots from now until March 2019 to cover the 460 that have left in the last 12 months as well as the 300 or so who have tendered resignations with leaving dates within the next six months.
EK will struggle to crew this flight if things continue this way. Pilot numbers down from approx 4500 to below 4100 now.

Arion640 · Wed Jan 31, 2018 1:53 pm

LupineChemist wrote:
xwb777 wrote:
The new 2 class B77Ls will be configured in 38 business class seats (6 abreast) and 238 economy class seats

So they're finally ditching 2-3-2 in J?

Nah I don't think so - the new 77W's are 2-3-2.

C010T3 · Wed Jan 31, 2018 2:24 pm

The 5th freedom rights are a given. The fact they are not reflected in the GDS filing is just due to the fact that they have not have received all authorizations from both Brazil and Chile. It‘s just a question of bureaucracy, but there is no obstacle for the approval.

parapente · Wed Jan 31, 2018 2:49 pm

I heard about the 'pilot problem' also recently.I imagine they are busting a gut to rectify it.There has to lots of pilots who would like to fly with them considering the metal they fly.

JAAlbert · Wed Jan 31, 2018 3:16 pm

What route will this flight take to SCL? East over Africa, or West over the Pacific and Asia?

What is the flying time for this flight?

migair54 · Wed Jan 31, 2018 3:38 pm

JAAlbert wrote:
What route will this flight take to SCL? East over Africa, or West over the Pacific and Asia?

What is the flying time for this flight?

It will be over Africa, it's much shorter, and think it will be around 14-15 hours to GRU and 2-3 more to SCL.

LupineChemist wrote:
So they're finally ditching 2-3-2 in J?

No, the new business class was introduce like 1 year ago and it's 2-3-2 but in my opinion is much better than the old one, and the new First is also much better, introduced 1st December with an improved economy seats also, however first class is only 6 seats, old one in the same space can fit 8 seats.

parapente wrote:
I imagine this is likely to complete their South American network for the moment?
I guess they could try the old 'double stop' Venezuela and Peru? But I doubt it.

I don't see Venezuela happening at all, the biggest market they can open now in South America I think is BOG, but BOG elevation kills the route non stop, maybe an stop somewhere in Europe could work.

402679 · Wed Jan 31, 2018 4:28 pm

I think this 772 will have the same new J seats, but in a 2-2-2 config.

IrishAyes · Wed Jan 31, 2018 4:56 pm

I am sure Qatar and AAB are royally pissed off about this.

gunnerman · Wed Jan 31, 2018 5:57 pm

C010T3 wrote:
The 5th freedom rights are a given. The fact they are not reflected in the GDS filing is just due to the fact that they have not have received all authorizations from both Brazil and Chile. It‘s just a question of bureaucracy, but there is no obstacle for the approval.

I have just checked Amadeus and the GRU-SCL flights are bookable, meaning that EK has the 5th freedom rights and is exercising them.

NichCage · Wed Jan 31, 2018 6:13 pm

Did QR launch DOH-GIG-SCL? It was supposed to be launched yesterday but I don't see anything about it. What happened to it?

migair54 · Wed Jan 31, 2018 6:48 pm

IrishAyes wrote:
I am sure Qatar and AAB are royally pissed off about this.

For sure he is, but I think QR was planning to do the flight non-stop, so if QR decides to start they will have the edge, but if the market is good we might see EK trying to do it non-stop in the future, however it will be a really long flight.

geoshina wrote:
I think this 772 will have the same new J seats, but in a 2-2-2 config.

I am really curious about this new product and configuration, because I don't understand how is EK going to configure the plane.

Mistral1 · Wed Jan 31, 2018 6:50 pm

migair54 wrote:
IrishAyes wrote:
I am sure Qatar and AAB are royally pissed off about this.

For sure he is, but I think QR was planning to do the flight non-stop, so if QR decides to start they will have the edge, but if the market is good we might see EK trying to do it non-stop in the future, however it will be a really long flight.

geoshina wrote:
I think this 772 will have the same new J seats, but in a 2-2-2 config.

I am really curious about this new product and configuration, because I don't understand how is EK going to configure the plane.

No sir, the flight was planned with a stopover at GIG.

xwb777 · Wed Jan 31, 2018 8:18 pm

migair54 wrote:
IrishAyes wrote:
I am sure Qatar and AAB are royally pissed off about this.

For sure he is, but I think QR was planning to do the flight non-stop, so if QR decides to start they will have the edge, but if the market is good we might see EK trying to do it non-stop in the future, however it will be a really long flight.

geoshina wrote:
I think this 772 will have the same new J seats, but in a 2-2-2 config.

I am really curious about this new product and configuration, because I don't understand how is EK going to configure the plane.

38J/238Y

402679 · Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:49 pm

Well.. I just bought a r/t, GRU-SCL with EK. The seat map shows 2-3-2 in Business Class.

dcajet · Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:58 pm

VCEflyboy wrote:
How did KLM get 5th freedom rights and EK didn’t?

Well, KLM"s flights to SCL are from Argentina, not from Brazil. Different countries, different bilateral.

In any case, they do have 5th freedom rights. Without them, EK would not ever bother with this flight: flying a half (or more) empty 777 for 3 1/2 hours across South America surely is not EK's idea of a profit center.

airzona11 · Thu Feb 01, 2018 2:30 am

Are all the 77Ls getting the 2 class?

undertheradar · Thu Feb 01, 2018 2:41 am

To stop all the confusion re 777 business class seating. Straight from the emirates website. ALL Emirates 777s have 2-3-2 business class seating. Just different 'versions' of the seat.

ojas · Thu Feb 01, 2018 9:40 am

The B777-200LR operating to SCL will be in a 2 class configuration with the new business class layout 2-2-2.

prchan · Thu Feb 01, 2018 10:10 am

https://www.emirates.com/media-centre/emirates-unveils-brand-new-cabins-for-its-boeing-777-fleet-template-2

This is the official announcement of the new cabins:
First 1-1-1
Business 2-3-2

xwb777 · Thu Feb 01, 2018 11:24 am

undertheradar wrote:
To stop all the confusion re 777 business class seating. Straight from the emirates website. ALL Emirates 777s have 2-3-2 business class seating. Just different 'versions' of the seat.

Emirates later announced that they will reconfigure its 10 B77L with 2-2-2 business class seating. I will get you the source.

xwb777 · Thu Feb 01, 2018 11:42 am

xwb777 wrote:
undertheradar wrote:
To stop all the confusion re 777 business class seating. Straight from the emirates website. ALL Emirates 777s have 2-3-2 business class seating. Just different 'versions' of the seat.

Emirates later announced that they will reconfigure its 10 B77L with 2-2-2 business class seating. I will get you the source.

https://thepointsguy.com/2017/11/emirat ... 10-planes/

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... ea-443285/

https://viewfromthewing.boardingarea.co ... 0lr-fleet/

Hope this will end the reconfigured business class discussion and lets just stick to the thread topic.

LAXLHR · Thu Feb 01, 2018 11:44 am

emiratesdriver wrote:
Another bit of ambition out of fort fumble, the current requirement is for a further 880 pilots from now until March 2019 to cover the 460 that have left in the last 12 months as well as the 300 or so who have tendered resignations with leaving dates within the next six months.
EK will struggle to crew this flight if things continue this way. Pilot numbers down from approx 4500 to below 4100 now.

This should be a new thread. I'D LIKE TO KNOW MORE :-)

turk223 · Thu Feb 01, 2018 1:46 pm

I really wonder if BOG will ever be added to EK's network.

SonOfABeech · Thu Feb 01, 2018 2:10 pm

turk223 wrote:
I really wonder if BOG will ever be added to EK's network.

If Venezuela were a civilized country a CCS-BOG tag might work, but....

worldranger · Thu Feb 01, 2018 3:51 pm

turk223 wrote:
I really wonder if BOG will ever be added to EK's network.

Coming sometime after April on the Freighter.

upwardfacing · Thu Feb 01, 2018 4:35 pm

turk223 wrote:
I really wonder if BOG will ever be added to EK's network.

I think BOG is on the Emirates watchlist. Hopefully sometime in the next 5 years, depending on aircraft technology advancements that would enable nonstops both ways, and of course market development.

Both MEX and BOG are challenging for now with respect to nonstop flights to DXB, because of their high altitude.

gunnerman · Thu Feb 01, 2018 4:41 pm

SonOfABeech wrote:
turk223 wrote:
I really wonder if BOG will ever be added to EK's network.

If Venezuela were a civilized country a CCS-BOG tag might work, but....

After problems with CCS, which included a suspension and resumption in February 2003, BA axed LGW-CCS-BOG in February 2004. There are so many problems with Venezuela that some airlines don't want to return.

aeropix · Thu Feb 01, 2018 6:25 pm

xwb777 wrote:

Emirates later announced that they will reconfigure its 10 B77L with 2-2-2 business class seating. I will get you the source.

Here's a 10 minute explanation of the revolutionary new Business Class concept on the EK 77L. Oops, sorry that's actually from 1992 at Continental. Oh well, "same same, but different" as they like to say... History repeats itself...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRCZ-Eyd-74

*Skip to 2m45s to see the 2+2+2 seat configuration, and some cool DC-10 and 747 footage :-)

descl · Thu Feb 01, 2018 7:02 pm

This is great news for chilean aviation industry, SCL finally has a direct link to Asia, which is very welcomed as our economy depends on our asian partners.
This will probably help to increase the amount of asian tourits, too.
Havent had the time to check, but are connecting times to mains asian airports good?

Mistral1 · Thu Feb 01, 2018 8:41 pm

Yes, the flight allows you to connect easily to places like India, Korea, Thailand and Japan.

dcajet · Thu Feb 01, 2018 10:17 pm

descl wrote:
This is great news for chilean aviation industry, SCL finally has a direct link to Asia, which is very welcomed as our economy depends on our asian partners.
This will probably help to increase the amount of asian tourits, too.
Havent had the time to check, but are connecting times to mains asian airports good?

Emirates really shines with connections to India, Thailand, Singapore, Kuala Lumpur, Philippines, Indonesia, and up to HKG & parts of China, etc. Connections to points north, such as Japan, Korea, Beijing, Shanghai, Taipei, etc. are all reached faster via the USA. However, pricing on EK, QR, TK and ET tends to be much more attractive, and that is where they have the edge.

undertheradar · Fri Feb 02, 2018 3:13 am

xwb777 wrote:
xwb777 wrote:
undertheradar wrote:
To stop all the confusion re 777 business class seating. Straight from the emirates website. ALL Emirates 777s have 2-3-2 business class seating. Just different 'versions' of the seat.

Emirates later announced that they will reconfigure its 10 B77L with 2-2-2 business class seating. I will get you the source.

https://thepointsguy.com/2017/11/emirat ... 10-planes/

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... ea-443285/

https://viewfromthewing.boardingarea.co ... 0lr-fleet/

Hope this will end the reconfigured business class discussion and lets just stick to the thread topic.

Cheers for setting me straight

xwb777 · Wed May 23, 2018 5:02 am

Emirates during the period from 26AUG18 to 30SEP18, will change the operating aircraft from a 2-class B77L to a 3-class B77W.

Mistral1 · Wed May 23, 2018 4:02 pm

Did the company explained this change of aircraft?

WorldFlier · Wed May 23, 2018 4:11 pm

VCEflyboy wrote:
How did KLM get 5th freedom rights and EK didn’t?

I am going to wildly guess that KLM doesn't instill the same fear as EK into countries with regards to access/5th freedom?

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