I noticed that AA will going to 1x 737 and 1x 321 on LAX-DCA and keeping 2x 737 DCA-LAX. Why would they only go with one 321 going east and not have one going back west? Also, could LAX-DCA possibly see a 32T one day to go after some more premium traffic? I've been on the flight twice since I've lived in the DC area, both times packed to the gills with business travelers and always a long upgrade list.

I was wondering when AA was going to make a smaller aircraft order. With the E190s leaving the fleet soon, they'll need to compensate and a batch of used A319s could do the trick.

OKCDCA wrote:

I noticed that AA will going to 1x 737 and 1x 321 on LAX-DCA and keeping 2x 737 DCA-LAX. Why would they only go with one 321 going east and not have one going back west? Also, could LAX-DCA possibly see a 32T one day to go after some more premium traffic? I've been on the flight twice since I've lived in the DC area, both times packed to the gills with business travelers and always a long upgrade list.

Why do they have to use the same aircraft type? Its two hubs...

OKCDCA wrote:

I noticed that AA will going to 1x 737 and 1x 321 on LAX-DCA and keeping 2x 737 DCA-LAX. Why would they only go with one 321 going east and not have one going back west?

It balances out across hubs. Looking at 5/21 as an example (and only looking at 738, 321, and 32B aircraft types for simplification since 319/320s balance route by route):
DCA-LAX: 2x 738
DCA-DFW: 4x 738, 1x 321, 3x 32B
DCA-ORD: 6x 738, 2x 32B
DCA-MIA: 7x 738

Total out: 19x 738, 1x 321, 5x 32B

LAX-DCA: 1x 738, 1x 32B
DFW-DCA: 4x 738, 4x 32B
ORD-DCA: 8x 738
MIA-DCA: 6x 738, 1x 321

Total in: 19x 738, 1x 321, 5x 32B

If you add up the totals in and out of DCA across those three hubs, the numbers balance. AA might choose to route aircraft this way to optimize connecting banks at each hub, or there might be some other reason.

Buffalomatt1027 wrote:

jplatts wrote:

AA could add DFW-BUF nonstop service, since BUF is one of the top destinations traveled to from DFW that does not have any nonstop service from either DFW or DAL.

In Q2 2017, there was an average of 160 passengers per day who traveled between DFW and BUF and an average of 79 passengers per day who traveled between DAL and BUF.

It also appears that there might be enough demand for AA to operate at least 1 mainline flight in each direction per day between DFW and BUF.

Where did you find those numbers? Just curious. .

I feel like BUF / BNIA -> bigger airlines like AA find it tough to trust the Buffalo market with the idea of 30 - 40% (or more) of the passenger count is Canadians that come over the boarder to fly out. The low cost carriers like Jet Blue, Southwest, and Frontier seem to benefiting from that just fine.

I mentioned this in another thread, I cant remember the last time a major carrier (United, AA, Delta) decided to expand their routes at BNIA. AA did have temporary flights from BUF to MIA for a few weeks this winter. But nothing year round.

Delta in the past couple years added LGA and BOS.

jbs2886 wrote:

jplatts wrote:

TUSAA wrote:

AA stated in a employee meeting last week that they are in the market for a bunch of used A319s. Heard we are getting some Frontier soon.

Are there carriers other than VX/AS, F9, or U2 that AA could acquire used A319 planes from?

No, just those 3. No others exist. None.

Maybe - just MAYBE - the engines on the A319s of the 3 airlines he mentioned are the engines that AA prefers on their A319s? You probably should apologize for your post.

N62NA wrote:

jbs2886 wrote:

jplatts wrote:

Are there carriers other than VX/AS, F9, or U2 that AA could acquire used A319 planes from?

No, just those 3. No others exist. None.

Maybe - just MAYBE - the engines on the A319s of the 3 airlines he mentioned are the engines that AA prefers on their A319s? You probably should apologize for your post.

Maybe - just MAYBE - you should read the poster’s history before criticizing to understand why I made that post. This is typical here are some random facts and I’ll pose a question that is so out there.

He also never mentioned engines....

You should probably apologize for your post.

OKCDCA wrote:

Also, could LAX-DCA possibly see a 32T one day to go after some more premium traffic? I've been on the flight twice since I've lived in the DC area, both times packed to the gills with business travelers and always a long upgrade list.

That seems like a poor fit for a 102 seat aircraft unless the majority of that traffic is paid J. The long upgrade list would argue against it.

FSDan wrote:

OKCDCA wrote:

I noticed that AA will going to 1x 737 and 1x 321 on LAX-DCA and keeping 2x 737 DCA-LAX. Why would they only go with one 321 going east and not have one going back west?

It balances out across hubs. Looking at 5/21 as an example (and only looking at 738, 321, and 32B aircraft types for simplification since 319/320s balance route by route):
DCA-LAX: 2x 738
DCA-DFW: 4x 738, 1x 321, 3x 32B
DCA-ORD: 6x 738, 2x 32B
DCA-MIA: 7x 738

Total out: 19x 738, 1x 321, 5x 32B

LAX-DCA: 1x 738, 1x 32B
DFW-DCA: 4x 738, 4x 32B
ORD-DCA: 8x 738
MIA-DCA: 6x 738, 1x 321

Total in: 19x 738, 1x 321, 5x 32B

If you add up the totals in and out of DCA across those three hubs, the numbers balance. AA might choose to route aircraft this way to optimize connecting banks at each hub, or there might be some other reason.

Thanks for the break out, makes sense.

jbs2886 wrote:

Why do they have to use the same aircraft type? Its two hubs...

Thank you for the very informative answer... Just curious why they would have an imbalance of capacity going one direction but thanks to the more informative answer above, I can see why they do it that way.

maximairways wrote:

Buffalomatt1027 wrote:

jplatts wrote:

AA could add DFW-BUF nonstop service, since BUF is one of the top destinations traveled to from DFW that does not have any nonstop service from either DFW or DAL.

In Q2 2017, there was an average of 160 passengers per day who traveled between DFW and BUF and an average of 79 passengers per day who traveled between DAL and BUF.

It also appears that there might be enough demand for AA to operate at least 1 mainline flight in each direction per day between DFW and BUF.

Where did you find those numbers? Just curious. .

I feel like BUF / BNIA -> bigger airlines like AA find it tough to trust the Buffalo market with the idea of 30 - 40% (or more) of the passenger count is Canadians that come over the boarder to fly out. The low cost carriers like Jet Blue, Southwest, and Frontier seem to benefiting from that just fine.

I mentioned this in another thread, I cant remember the last time a major carrier (United, AA, Delta) decided to expand their routes at BNIA. AA did have temporary flights from BUF to MIA for a few weeks this winter. But nothing year round.

Delta in the past couple years added LGA and BOS.

Okay, I didnt realize that! Not major expansion but i guess its something!

OKCDCA wrote:

FSDan wrote:

OKCDCA wrote:

I noticed that AA will going to 1x 737 and 1x 321 on LAX-DCA and keeping 2x 737 DCA-LAX. Why would they only go with one 321 going east and not have one going back west?

Thank you for the very informative answer... Just curious why they would have an imbalance of capacity going one direction but thanks to the more informative answer above, I can see why they do it that way.

There are several reasons that they might do this. Seasonally certain directions may be heavier traveled than the others. It also might just be a utilization issue rotating on to other routes. It is quite hard to speculate, but in reality the capacity difference is about ~20-30 seats, depending on config, so it isn't terribly significant.

wrong thread

us330 wrote:

American has no obligations to the former TWA employees per consistent rulings in Israeli courts.

This is untrue according to a PR Newswire article from Feb 3, 2014 (https://www.prnewswire.com/news-release ... 14121.html)

If the article is correct AA might still have financial obligations to former TWA employees. This would not be a result of the TWA acquisition but of the settlement signed ~2010.

I do not think AA is going to hold off service to Israeli due to any potential liens but they will need to add about $15 mil to operating costs to cover the settlement. That will certainly change revenue requirement for profitably and potentially making very few flights, if any, profitable.

FSDan wrote:

OKCDCA wrote:

I noticed that AA will going to 1x 737 and 1x 321 on LAX-DCA and keeping 2x 737 DCA-LAX. Why would they only go with one 321 going east and not have one going back west?

It balances out across hubs. Looking at 5/21 as an example (and only looking at 738, 321, and 32B aircraft types for simplification since 319/320s balance route by route):
DCA-LAX: 2x 738
DCA-DFW: 4x 738, 1x 321, 3x 32B
DCA-ORD: 6x 738, 2x 32B
DCA-MIA: 7x 738

Total out: 19x 738, 1x 321, 5x 32B

LAX-DCA: 1x 738, 1x 32B
DFW-DCA: 4x 738, 4x 32B
ORD-DCA: 8x 738
MIA-DCA: 6x 738, 1x 321

Total in: 19x 738, 1x 321, 5x 32B

If you add up the totals in and out of DCA across those three hubs, the numbers balance. AA might choose to route aircraft this way to optimize connecting banks at each hub, or there might be some other reason.

The reason for this is that the 321 cant get out of DCA and go all the way to LAX fully loaded.

But, flying it the other direction still gets them the ability to put more seats on the route, at least one way. The other way, the excess passengers just have to connect.

mikejepp wrote:

FSDan wrote:

OKCDCA wrote:

I noticed that AA will going to 1x 737 and 1x 321 on LAX-DCA and keeping 2x 737 DCA-LAX. Why would they only go with one 321 going east and not have one going back west?

It balances out across hubs. Looking at 5/21 as an example (and only looking at 738, 321, and 32B aircraft types for simplification since 319/320s balance route by route):
DCA-LAX: 2x 738
DCA-DFW: 4x 738, 1x 321, 3x 32B
DCA-ORD: 6x 738, 2x 32B
DCA-MIA: 7x 738

Total out: 19x 738, 1x 321, 5x 32B

LAX-DCA: 1x 738, 1x 32B
DFW-DCA: 4x 738, 4x 32B
ORD-DCA: 8x 738
MIA-DCA: 6x 738, 1x 321

Total in: 19x 738, 1x 321, 5x 32B

If you add up the totals in and out of DCA across those three hubs, the numbers balance. AA might choose to route aircraft this way to optimize connecting banks at each hub, or there might be some other reason.

The reason for this is that the 321 cant get out of DCA and go all the way to LAX fully loaded.

But, flying it the other direction still gets them the ability to put more seats on the route, at least one way. The other way, the excess passengers just have to connect.

Really? Then how do flights from PHL to the West Coast work on the 321? Is it runway length?

ahj2000 wrote:

mikejepp wrote:

FSDan wrote:

It balances out across hubs. Looking at 5/21 as an example (and only looking at 738, 321, and 32B aircraft types for simplification since 319/320s balance route by route):
DCA-LAX: 2x 738
DCA-DFW: 4x 738, 1x 321, 3x 32B
DCA-ORD: 6x 738, 2x 32B
DCA-MIA: 7x 738

Total out: 19x 738, 1x 321, 5x 32B

LAX-DCA: 1x 738, 1x 32B
DFW-DCA: 4x 738, 4x 32B
ORD-DCA: 8x 738
MIA-DCA: 6x 738, 1x 321

Total in: 19x 738, 1x 321, 5x 32B

If you add up the totals in and out of DCA across those three hubs, the numbers balance. AA might choose to route aircraft this way to optimize connecting banks at each hub, or there might be some other reason.

The reason for this is that the 321 cant get out of DCA and go all the way to LAX fully loaded.

But, flying it the other direction still gets them the ability to put more seats on the route, at least one way. The other way, the excess passengers just have to connect.

Really? Then how do flights from PHL to the West Coast work on the 321? Is it runway length?

I'm kind of questioning this as well... How can AS get their 321 to SFO off the runway at DCA then?

Is it right to share a rumor I heard from an AA pilot. He talked about a rumored new route pending approvals, but I'm not sure if its legally "postable". Any ideas on the legality of sharing such.....of course its just a rumor.

SumChristianus wrote:

Is it right to share a rumor I heard from an AA pilot. He talked about a rumored new route pending approvals, but I'm not sure if its legally "postable". Any ideas on the legality of sharing such.....of course its just a rumor.

A) Pilots like to think they're in the know when it comes to potential routes - they're not, and what they think they know is often less informed than a standard A.net enthusiast
B) It's perfectly legal to share and post rumors

Thanks, then I'll just say that the QF/AA joint venture supposedly has a condition that AA metal will operate to three cities in the South Pacific. Two are already served SYD and AKL, while the third, either BNE or MEL, will see AA service with the U.S. approval of their joint venture. I kind of thought I had heard of this from somewhere (AirwaysNews?) before, but thought it was interesting to hear it from a pilot.

If AA/QF JV is approved, AA will be operating LAX-MEL/BNE within the next couple of years. Both will be operated by the 787-9. Curious to see if AA will operate LAX-AKL year round if the JV is approved.

SumChristianus wrote:

Thanks, then I'll just say that the QF/AA joint venture supposedly has a condition that AA metal will operate to three cities in the South Pacific. Two are already served SYD and AKL, while the third, either BNE or MEL, will see AA service with the U.S. approval of their joint venture. I kind of thought I had heard of this from somewhere (AirwaysNews?) before, but thought it was interesting to hear it from a pilot.

DeSpringbokke wrote:

If AA/QF JV is approved, AA will be operating LAX-MEL/BNE within the next couple of years. Both will be operated by the 787-9. Curious to see if AA will operate LAX-AKL year round if the JV is approved.

In AA/QF's initial 2015 JV application they stated that in addition to adding SYD and AKL, approval of the agreement would result in AA service to a third destination, which would obviously be either BNE or MEL from presumably LAX or DFW. Would make sense for a condition of eventual 2018 approval to be setting that in stone as a condition.

Announced to employees today, AA is implementing the following network changes:

- Cancelling one ORD-CUN flight and will upgauge the two remaining flights from a B737-800 to a B787-8.
- Seeking a dormancy waiver to end ORD-PEK effective 10/20.
- Adding a daily winter seasonal ORD–HNL flight on a B787-8 from 12/19–1/5 and then from 2/14–4/1.
- Adding weekly seasonal service from ORD on Saturdays to AUA, GCM, NAS, and PLS, all operated on a B737-800 starting Dec. 22.
- Adding new year-round Saturday service from MIA to SVD operated on an A319 starting Dec. 22.
- Adding another daily winter-seasonal frequency to seven destinations that already have direct service from MIA today: BGI, CUR, POP, all operated with a B737-800; POS, operated with a B737 MAX 8; SDQ, operated with an A321; UVF, operated with a B757; and FPO, operated with an Embraer E175 beginning Dec. 19.
- Shifting one daily MIA-LHR to DFW. Being replaced by an additional daily BA 744 Flight effective 10/28.
- Adding new year-round Saturday service from DFW to AUA beginning Dec. 22 on a B737-800.
- Upgauging one of our daily DFW-CUN flights to a B787-8.
- Launching new year-round weekly Saturday flights from CLT to ELH on a CRJ-700 operated by PSA, and MHH on an E175 operated by Republic.

Just announced today

Chicago to Beijing to end on Oct 20
Adding sesional service on ORD-HNL will run Dec 19-Jan 5 and Feb 14- April 1 on a 787-8
Adding two daily flights to ORD-CUN on the 787-8
Adding seasonal weekend service to AUA GCM,NAS,PLS on that 737-800

Miami-LHR will move one daily flight on the 777-300 to DFW starting in OCT. British Airways will start and additional 747 on the LHR-MIA route

Adding MIA-SVD on A319
Will add additional winter service to BGI,CUR,POP,POS,SDQ,UVF and FPO out of MIA

One DFW-CUN will be upgaged to a 787-8

AA321T wrote:

Announced to employees today, AA is implementing the following network changes:

- Cancelling one ORD-CUN flight and will upgauge the two remaining flights from a B737-800 to a B787-8.
- Seeking a dormancy waiver to end ORD-PEK effective 10/20.
- Adding a daily winter seasonal ORD–HNL flight on a B787-8 from 12/19–1/5 and then from 2/14–4/1.
- Adding weekly seasonal service from ORD on Saturdays to AUA, GCM, NAS, and PLS, all operated on a B737-800 starting Dec. 22.
- Adding new year-round Saturday service from MIA to SVD operated on an A319 starting Dec. 22.
- Adding another daily winter-seasonal frequency to seven destinations that already have direct service from MIA today: BGI, CUR, POP, all operated with a B737-800; POS, operated with a B737 MAX 8; SDQ, operated with an A321; UVF, operated with a B757; and FPO, operated with an Embraer E175 beginning Dec. 19.
- Shifting one daily MIA-LHR to DFW. Being replaced by an additional daily BA 744 Flight effective 10/28.
- Adding new year-round Saturday service from DFW to AUA beginning Dec. 22 on a B737-800.
- Upgauging one of our daily DFW-CUN flights to a B787-8.
- Launching new year-round weekly Saturday flights from CLT to ELH on a CRJ-700 operated by PSA, and MHH on an E175 operated by Republic.

Will that make ORD-PEK seasonal?

jbs2886 wrote:

AA321T wrote:

Announced to employees today, AA is implementing the following network changes:

- Cancelling one ORD-CUN flight and will upgauge the two remaining flights from a B737-800 to a B787-8.
- Seeking a dormancy waiver to end ORD-PEK effective 10/20.
- Adding a daily winter seasonal ORD–HNL flight on a B787-8 from 12/19–1/5 and then from 2/14–4/1.
- Adding weekly seasonal service from ORD on Saturdays to AUA, GCM, NAS, and PLS, all operated on a B737-800 starting Dec. 22.
- Adding new year-round Saturday service from MIA to SVD operated on an A319 starting Dec. 22.
- Adding another daily winter-seasonal frequency to seven destinations that already have direct service from MIA today: BGI, CUR, POP, all operated with a B737-800; POS, operated with a B737 MAX 8; SDQ, operated with an A321; UVF, operated with a B757; and FPO, operated with an Embraer E175 beginning Dec. 19.
- Shifting one daily MIA-LHR to DFW. Being replaced by an additional daily BA 744 Flight effective 10/28.
- Adding new year-round Saturday service from DFW to AUA beginning Dec. 22 on a B737-800.
- Upgauging one of our daily DFW-CUN flights to a B787-8.
- Launching new year-round weekly Saturday flights from CLT to ELH on a CRJ-700 operated by PSA, and MHH on an E175 operated by Republic.

Will that make ORD-PEK seasonal?

No, from what the above says, AA is planning to end ORD-PEK all together...

FA9295 wrote:

jbs2886 wrote:

AA321T wrote:

Announced to employees today, AA is implementing the following network changes:

- Cancelling one ORD-CUN flight and will upgauge the two remaining flights from a B737-800 to a B787-8.
- Seeking a dormancy waiver to end ORD-PEK effective 10/20.
- Adding a daily winter seasonal ORD–HNL flight on a B787-8 from 12/19–1/5 and then from 2/14–4/1.
- Adding weekly seasonal service from ORD on Saturdays to AUA, GCM, NAS, and PLS, all operated on a B737-800 starting Dec. 22.
- Adding new year-round Saturday service from MIA to SVD operated on an A319 starting Dec. 22.
- Adding another daily winter-seasonal frequency to seven destinations that already have direct service from MIA today: BGI, CUR, POP, all operated with a B737-800; POS, operated with a B737 MAX 8; SDQ, operated with an A321; UVF, operated with a B757; and FPO, operated with an Embraer E175 beginning Dec. 19.
- Shifting one daily MIA-LHR to DFW. Being replaced by an additional daily BA 744 Flight effective 10/28.
- Adding new year-round Saturday service from DFW to AUA beginning Dec. 22 on a B737-800.
- Upgauging one of our daily DFW-CUN flights to a B787-8.
- Launching new year-round weekly Saturday flights from CLT to ELH on a CRJ-700 operated by PSA, and MHH on an E175 operated by Republic.

Will that make ORD-PEK seasonal?

No, from what the above says, AA is planning to end ORD-PEK all together...

The dormancy waiver is suggesting seasonal.

ORD-PEK is an interesting thing We can be fairly sure that the route hasn't made money since it started.

DanDun wrote:

Just announced today

Chicago to Beijing to end on Oct 20
Adding sesional service on ORD-HNL will run Dec 19-Jan 5 and Feb 14- April 1 on a 787-8
Adding two daily flights to ORD-CUN on the 787-8
Adding seasonal weekend service to AUA GCM,NAS,PLS on that 737-800

Miami-LHR will move one daily flight on the 777-300 to DFW starting in OCT. British Airways will start and additional 747 on the LHR-MIA route

Adding MIA-SVD on A319
Will add additional winter service to BGI,CUR,POP,POS,SDQ,UVF and FPO out of MIA

One DFW-CUN will be upgaged to a 787-8

Why not run ORD-HNL daily from December through March why take a break after the holidays travel period? United operated this route daily with a domestic configured 772. During the winter season from mid November through mid April our load factors are very high as people from the Midwest look to escape the brutal winters, so I don't understand why AA is choosing not to operate the route Jan 6 through Feb 13.

So BA is going 3x daily to MIA? Are they cutting 1 daily frequency from DFW, or is the new AA flight a net addition.

Lots of Caribbean/South additions, the 788 shorter-haul deployment is interesting.

Will UA go 77W on ORD-PEK, or just happily take the reduced competition? 3 carriers on ORD-PEK was probably overkill.

I am STUNNED at the 788's going to CUN! Seriously???

Also a bit surprised at 788 on temporary resumption of ORD-HNL.

Wow.

DanDun wrote:

Just announced today

Chicago to Beijing to end on Oct 20
Adding sesional service on ORD-HNL will run Dec 19-Jan 5 and Feb 14- April 1 on a 787-8
Adding two daily flights to ORD-CUN on the 787-8
Adding seasonal weekend service to AUA GCM,NAS,PLS on that 737-800

Miami-LHR will move one daily flight on the 777-300 to DFW starting in OCT. British Airways will start and additional 747 on the LHR-MIA route

Adding MIA-SVD on A319
Will add additional winter service to BGI,CUR,POP,POS,SDQ,UVF and FPO out of MIA

One DFW-CUN will be upgaged to a 787-8

I wonder what time the MIA-BGI flight will be scheduled so that will bring it up to 3 daily flights for the winter season. Nice to see St. Vincent getting the MIA flight.

DanDun wrote:

Miami-LHR will move one daily flight on the 777-300 to DFW starting in OCT. British Airways will start and additional 747 on the LHR-MIA route

But it's my understanding that BA is discontinuing DFWLHR with this.

So we go from:
MIALHR - 2x AA/2x BA
DFWLHR - 1x BA/3x AA

To:
MIALHR - 1x AA/3x BA
DFWLHR - 4x AA

ADrum23 wrote:

alasizon wrote:

ADrum23 wrote:

Will AA ever go back to TLV? If so, which hub would it be launched from?

PHL but I suspect that it will be a 2019 add as by then it will be a bit more defined what is happening with the 333s and there are a few other higher priority adds that only consume a single aircraft.

What about DFW-TLV?

This has been discussed previously. I am not sure ti would work well, eventhough there is no competition on the route and there is a Jewish community in Dallas. The route could support a 788 but no aircraft any larger than that. JFK-TLV and MIA-TLV are more likely to work although there is competition with El Al, plus Delta at JFK. ORD-TLV not sure it would work. Now here is another question: could a 787 fly LAX-TLV nonstop?

BA 192/193 still showing on the ba.com site. I'd hate to see them leave and stick us with only AA on DFWLHR

DanDun wrote:

Adding two daily flights to ORD-CUN on the 787-8
One DFW-CUN will be upgaged to a 787-8

These strike me as a waste of an aircraft but if it's winter seasonal they kinda make sense – use the 78s as tourist bombers during the low TATL/TPAC season.

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MAH4546 wrote:

gdg9 wrote:

BA 192/193 still showing on the ba.com site. I'd hate to see them leave and stick us with only AA on DFWLHR

None of the changes are uploaded. AA 38/39 (MIA-LHR) are still on the AA site. The changes will come over the weekend.

BA isn’t pulling out of DFW-LHR likely a down gauge if anything.

gdg9 wrote:

BA 192/193 still showing on the ba.com site. I'd hate to see them leave and stick us with only AA on DFWLHR

None of the changes are uploaded. AA 38/39 (MIA-LHR) are still on the AA site. The changes will come over the weekend.

Ah I misread that as an A319 on MIA-SYD route

MAH4546 wrote:

DanDun wrote:

Miami-LHR will move one daily flight on the 777-300 to DFW starting in OCT. British Airways will start and additional 747 on the LHR-MIA route

But it's my understanding that BA is discontinuing DFWLHR with this.

So we go from:
MIALHR - 2x AA/2x BA
DFWLHR - 1x BA/3x AA

To:
MIALHR - 1x AA/3x BA
DFWLHR - 4x AA

DFWLHR is now 4x AA/1x BA

DanDun wrote:

Adding seasonal weekend service to AUA GCM,NAS,PLS on that 737-800

With all of the other news, this one seems to be overlooked but I think it is big news. The only non-stop flights on AA from ORD to the Caribbean previously was MBJ, SJU & PUJ. For most destinations in the Caribbean, flying on AA from ORD meant a connection in MIA. UA on the other hand has flights from ORD to MBJ, SJU, PUJ, AUA, GCM, NAS, PLS, UVF, SXM, STT. UA also flies to CZM and BZE, depending on how you define Caribbean. Both fly to CUN, naturally.

I understand that most of these non-stops are probably Saturday only, but it is still a big deal. For many Chicagoans, who are used to flying non-stop to most of the places they want to go, non-stop is the difference between consideration as a vacation destination, or not. And I would doubt these are low yield, they demand pretty high fares from my experience.

This is exactly the type of thing that AA needs to do in order to compete better at ORD.

PVD-MIA would be a great way to feed the growing portfolio of MIA flights...

FA9295 wrote:

jbs2886 wrote:

AA321T wrote:

Announced to employees today, AA is implementing the following network changes:

- Cancelling one ORD-CUN flight and will upgauge the two remaining flights from a B737-800 to a B787-8.
- Seeking a dormancy waiver to end ORD-PEK effective 10/20.
- Adding a daily winter seasonal ORD–HNL flight on a B787-8 from 12/19–1/5 and then from 2/14–4/1.
- Adding weekly seasonal service from ORD on Saturdays to AUA, GCM, NAS, and PLS, all operated on a B737-800 starting Dec. 22.
- Adding new year-round Saturday service from MIA to SVD operated on an A319 starting Dec. 22.
- Adding another daily winter-seasonal frequency to seven destinations that already have direct service from MIA today: BGI, CUR, POP, all operated with a B737-800; POS, operated with a B737 MAX 8; SDQ, operated with an A321; UVF, operated with a B757; and FPO, operated with an Embraer E175 beginning Dec. 19.
- Shifting one daily MIA-LHR to DFW. Being replaced by an additional daily BA 744 Flight effective 10/28.
- Adding new year-round Saturday service from DFW to AUA beginning Dec. 22 on a B737-800.
- Upgauging one of our daily DFW-CUN flights to a B787-8.
- Launching new year-round weekly Saturday flights from CLT to ELH on a CRJ-700 operated by PSA, and MHH on an E175 operated by Republic.

Will that make ORD-PEK seasonal?

No, from what the above says, AA is planning to end ORD-PEK all together...

AA is pulling out of ORD-PEK altogether. The full memo says that specifically.

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SumChristianus wrote:

So BA is going 3x daily to MIA? Are they cutting 1 daily frequency from DFW, or is the new AA flight a net addition.

Lots of Caribbean/South additions, the 788 shorter-haul deployment is interesting.

Will UA go 77W on ORD-PEK, or just happily take the reduced competition? 3 carriers on ORD-PEK was probably overkill.

AA will have 4 daily LHR flights from DFW (one 772 and three 773’s). BA is down gauging to a 772. The additional MIA BA flight will be a 744.

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MAH4546 wrote:

gdg9 wrote:

BA 192/193 still showing on the ba.com site. I'd hate to see them leave and stick us with only AA on DFWLHR

None of the changes are uploaded. AA 38/39 (MIA-LHR) are still on the AA site. The changes will come over the weekend.

BA isn’t pulling out of DFW-LHR likely a down gauge if anything.

BA192/193 still shows in SABRE in mid-Nov time frame with 744.

If BA pulls out of DFW, we'll have quite a few cranky clients.

After reading further, I think what will happen is simply one more DFW-LHR frequency on AA and the BA flight will remain as well. So as qcpilotxf mentioned, 5x daily, with 4 on AA and 1 on BA.

I know when I had a DFW-LHR flight in December, I didn't have to think twice on booking BA over AA.

So MIA-LHR is going to 2x BA 744, 1x BA 388, and 1x AA 772?

adamblang wrote:

DanDun wrote:

Adding two daily flights to ORD-CUN on the 787-8
One DFW-CUN will be upgaged to a 787-8

These strike me as a waste of an aircraft but if it's winter seasonal they kinda make sense – use the 78s as tourist bombers during the low TATL/TPAC season.

This is also what they do with the A330s.

OB1504 wrote:

So MIA-LHR is going to 2x BA 744, 1x BA 388, and 1x AA 772?

1x AA 77W

Sooner787 wrote:

BA192/193 still shows in SABRE in mid-Nov time frame with 744.

If BA pulls out of DFW, we'll have quite a few cranky clients.

Everything still shows in Sabre until the weekend.

jayunited wrote:

DanDun wrote:

Just announced today

Why not run ORD-HNL daily from December through March why take a break after the holidays travel period? United operated this route daily with a domestic configured 772. During the winter season from mid November through mid April our load factors are very high as people from the Midwest look to escape the brutal winters, so I don't understand why AA is choosing not to operate the route Jan 6 through Feb 13.

The period after the New Year - until mid-Feb - is a low period for Hawaii. The same is true for mid/late-April to June, late August through September and between Thanksgiving and Christmas. It's a good way for AA to test the waters again after being away.

MAH - why are you so certain of BA dropping DFW rather than keeping their flight and AA just adding one more?

gdg9 wrote:

MAH - why are you so certain of BA dropping DFW rather than keeping their flight and AA just adding one more?

I'm not certain, but I heard that's what's going to happen. But the release by AA does not make mention, so it very well might be that BA isn't going anywhere.

Five daily DFWLHR in the winter, though, is excessive.