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Re: MAN news - 2018

Mon May 14, 2018 10:35 pm

I presume MAN-JNB/CPT are likely to be the most popular routes.

It's unlikely SAA will return to MAN in its current form, but it is not impossible that VS could look at JNB (I don't see VS looking at anything unserved from LHR) or TCX could look at CPT on a scheduled basis.

In light of the above, perhaps Nairobi is the next logical service?
 
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Re: MAN news - 2018

Tue May 15, 2018 6:09 am

MAN TP update time:

The number of stands will go from 105 to 112.

Still 3 piers - one shorter, one longer and one that's as forecast

USCBP discussions ongoing

Spend to be over over £1 billion

The existing west pier will now be demolished and rebuilt

T2:: 28 airbrdges, T1 to be 23 stands on pier, T3 to be 17 stands

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/manchester-airport-terminals-new-plan-14651399
 
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Re: MAN news - 2018

Tue May 15, 2018 10:01 am

DobboDobbo wrote:
I presume MAN-JNB/CPT are likely to be the most popular routes.

It's unlikely SAA will return to MAN in its current form, but it is not impossible that VS could look at JNB (I don't see VS looking at anything unserved from LHR) or TCX could look at CPT on a scheduled basis.

In light of the above, perhaps Nairobi is the next logical service?


Any indication yet if TCX will actually operate some MAN-CPT services (charter) again next season?
 
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Re: MAN news - 2018

Tue May 15, 2018 12:43 pm

David_itl wrote:
MAN TP update time:

The number of stands will go from 105 to 112.

Still 3 piers - one shorter, one longer and one that's as forecast

USCBP discussions ongoing

Spend to be over over £1 billion

The existing west pier will now be demolished and rebuilt

T2:: 28 airbrdges, T1 to be 23 stands on pier, T3 to be 17 stands

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/manchester-airport-terminals-new-plan-14651399




Without wishing to steal david_itl's thunder, I have tried to summarise the key points below - I hope it s accurate!


1 - some design elements (e.g. living wall) are not set in stone. This is because final decisions are being postponed until the last possible moment to incorporate the latest technology.

2 - however, some design element decisions have been taken, for example teardrop check in desks and bag drops (I assume a similar design to MUC).

3 - whatever the design decision, the end result is intended to achieve the wow factor.

4 - T1 still set for demolition "in the long term".

5 - the intention is still to have three piers, with an intention to add a fourth in future (see below).

6 - USPC is still in negotiation, but it is complicated because it requires US and UK government approval. It is fair to say that both governments have plenty on their plate right now, so I wouldn't expect anything soon.

7 - the size of the terminal extension is actually bigger than first forecast (albeit on a smaller footprint?). The initial plan was a 140% size increase but it is actually 150% larger.

8 - we know the west pier has been demolished, I wonder what the future holds for the east pier (the new baggage hall is bolted on to the rear of it) and the interior of the existing terminal building.

9 - the taxiway is larger than initially planned, presumably because MAN anticipates increased use of A330/B787 sized aircraft.

10 - the piers have "evolved" and not necessarily "shrunk". Interestingly, it is claimed that one pier (presumably not the one under construction) includes an "extra lounge". I did not know any pier contained a lounge, I assume this is a new (but welcome) development.

11 - stands increase from 105 to 112. The number of air bridges at T2 will increase from 12 to 28 (I assume this is based on 3 piers rather than 4).

12 - look and feel: the terminal building promises panoramic views through large glass windows, large porches are at the entrance, and the living wall may be replaced by a multimedia space. I hope the new look and feel is replicated in the old building so that it has a consistent internal feel.

13 - the forecourt is a concept. I'm not sure it should be that complicated to finalise, but I hope the external (forecourt and airside view) has a consistent look and feel from the new build to the old.

14 - lots of new car parking (IMO sensible, but the road network needs to cope!)

15 - no funds diverted to STN, the cost is now in excess of £1bn.


In terms of my own observations, it is certainly a defensive piece - presumably based off the over optimistic renders of June 2015. It strikes me that some features are becoming more important and are being expanded, whereas others are less so.

I hope there is the flexibility for further expansion in future should the need arise, it feels like there should be space to do so.
 
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Re: MAN news - 2018

Wed May 16, 2018 9:05 am

.@BTVI Exclusive: Sources say #JetAirways board approves expansion of International network. Jet Airways to add four New Flights in Six Months. New routes decided;
Mumbai-London, Mumbai-Manchester,Delhi-London, Mumbai - Sydney
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Re: MAN news - 2018

Thu May 17, 2018 7:57 pm

David_itl wrote:
We won't have to wait long to see ET in MAN this year... one of the Champions League exodus to Kiev is actually using MAN and not LPL. An ET A350 will be here from 0730 until 0900 on the 26th May. The other confirmed news about ET is that it's gonig to be Terminal 1 as MAN stated that on their FB page.

So...shall we be "greedy" and see which other African routes could happen in the next 10 years. Helpfully, Routesonline have done a top 10 UK-Africa for seats this year https://www.routesonline.com/news/29/breaking-news/278621/ethiopian-adds-manchester-as-uk-africa-capacity-rises/. Excluding routes we have, it reads:

1 London Heathrow - Johannesburg Tambo 527963
2 London Heathrow - Cairo International 248912
3 London Heathrow - Lagos 212570
4 London Heathrow - Nairobi Jomo Kenyatta 207039
6 London Heathrow - Cape Town 185013
8 London Heathrow - Accra 121746

Addis Ababa was in 7th place with 133028 seats.

When you look at the bigger markets than ADD, I would hope some could be launched or brought back. Cairo would probably be restarted, the South African destinations were on the Evening News list to look out for.(presumably aiming for Thomas Cook) alongside ADD but 'm just wondering if there would be sufficient demand for Lagos or Nairobi.


One thing to add to the above is the onwards traffic from ADD. ET has the biggest African network and list of destinations, so assume majority of traffic will be connecting to fly on elsewhere in the continent.

Other destinations that don’t offer the same will have to rely on O&D traffic only. For that reason, J’burg and Nairobi would be my guesses as mentioned.
 
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Re: MAN news - 2018

Thu May 17, 2018 9:47 pm

The Evening News has a new set of photos of MANTP

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/gallery/manchester-airports-new-super-terminal-14673456

Also the hint of the BOM-MAN link made it to an Indian website with this:

"The airline is exploring service between Mumbai-Sydney and Mumbai-Manchester – both routes without a non-stop flight at present......Manchester is among top ten European routes from India with over 270,000 two way passengers and is a key airport for Jet's commercial partner Virgin Atlantic"

http://www.business-standard.com/article/companies/two-time-ceo-nikos-kardassis-returns-to-jet-airways-takes-on-advisory-role-118051701055_1.html
 
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Re: MAN news - 2018

Fri May 18, 2018 5:30 am

And now the confirmation of Jet 4 weekly: Days are Mon, Thurs, Sat & Sun. arrive 0755 depart 0935


https://www.ttgmedia.com/news/news/jet-airways-confirms-manchester-mumbai-link-14214?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter


Trying to think of the last time MAN announced 2 long-haul routes in the same week.
 
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Re: MAN news - 2018

Fri May 18, 2018 6:06 am

Some numbers to contemplate on Ethiopian's service...

Only 3000 passengers that routed MAN-ADD in 2017 but over 300,000 going to Africa. And confirmation of the top 3 countries ex-MAN that's not served non-stop: South Africa, Thailand and Australia
http://www.routesonline.com/news/29/breaking-news/278685/route-rundown-ctu-lgw-dsa-deb-add-man/

Monday, Thursday, , Saturday and Sunday. Arrive 0755 depart 0935

this is the potentail through routes ex-BOM/JFK/ATL over MAN

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Fri May 18, 2018 6:33 am

I think the service will help stimulate some demand too. I think it will be a success and hopefully we will see it go non-stop before too long.

Great news also about Jet. An Indian link is well overdue!
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Re: MAN news - 2018

Fri May 18, 2018 7:28 am

Flight numbers for Jet.. 9W130/9W129 and will be in Terminal 2
 
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Fri May 18, 2018 8:39 pm

Almost forgot this... the enhanced BA operation starts this weekend, The 4 aircraft planned for MAN ops this weekend are G-LCYW, G-LCYL, G-LCYS and G-LCYO. It will almost be like LCY as all 4 are scheduied to arrive in a 90 minute period around lunchtime.
 
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Re: MAN news - 2018

Sat May 19, 2018 8:38 am

David_itl wrote:
Almost forgot this... the enhanced BA operation starts this weekend, The 4 aircraft planned for MAN ops this weekend are G-LCYW, G-LCYL, G-LCYS and G-LCYO. It will almost be like LCY as all 4 are scheduied to arrive in a 90 minute period around lunchtime.


I'd forgotten about this. If BACF keeps growing l, I wonder what the end game is?
 
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Re: MAN news - 2018

Sat May 19, 2018 11:30 am

David_itl wrote:
Some numbers to contemplate on Ethiopian's service...

Only 3000 passengers that routed MAN-ADD in 2017 but over 300,000 going to Africa. And confirmation of the top 3 countries ex-MAN that's not served non-stop: South Africa, Thailand and Australia
http://www.routesonline.com/news/29/breaking-news/278685/route-rundown-ctu-lgw-dsa-deb-add-man/

Monday, Thursday, , Saturday and Sunday. Arrive 0755 depart 0935

this is the potentail through routes ex-BOM/JFK/ATL over MAN

Image


Thank you David for that simple but very explanatory grid showing the potential connections between Jet and Virgin - excellent.
 
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Sat May 19, 2018 12:53 pm

Scottiedog wrote:
David_itl wrote:
Some numbers to contemplate on Ethiopian's service...

Only 3000 passengers that routed MAN-ADD in 2017 but over 300,000 going to Africa. And confirmation of the top 3 countries ex-MAN that's not served non-stop: South Africa, Thailand and Australia
http://www.routesonline.com/news/29/breaking-news/278685/route-rundown-ctu-lgw-dsa-deb-add-man/

Monday, Thursday, , Saturday and Sunday. Arrive 0755 depart 0935

this is the potentail through routes ex-BOM/JFK/ATL over MAN

Image


Thank you David for that simple but very explanatory grid showing the potential connections between Jet and Virgin - excellent.


Interesting that MAN-South Africa indirect flows are only 52,000... I'd have thought it would be slightly higher than that, but perhaps a direct route, in time, will stimulate that.
 
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Sat May 19, 2018 2:49 pm

[quote="DobboDobbo"]I presume MAN-JNB/CPT are likely to be the most popular routes.

It's unlikely SAA will return to MAN in its current form, but it is not impossible that VS could look at JNB (I don't see VS looking at anything unserved from LHR) or TCX could look at CPT on a scheduled basis.
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Sat May 19, 2018 10:05 pm

ET is saying they've doing the extension from BRU to test the market with the aim of non-stop next year.

Following on from the mini VS/9W timetable, this is what I've cobbled together as a potential Sunday up to 4.59pm in May next year based on all existing routes being maintained


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27 long-haul movements by 09:25, Are we Gatrow or Heathwick?
 
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Re: MAN news - 2018

Sun May 20, 2018 12:12 pm

DobboDobbo wrote:
David_itl wrote:
Almost forgot this... the enhanced BA operation starts this weekend, The 4 aircraft planned for MAN ops this weekend are G-LCYW, G-LCYL, G-LCYS and G-LCYO. It will almost be like LCY as all 4 are scheduied to arrive in a 90 minute period around lunchtime.


I'd forgotten about this. If BACF keeps growing l, I wonder what the end game is?


Id love BA to set up a base in manchester. A mini gatwick style leisure base with a handful of jets. At the end of the day there is no feed from manchester to gatwick. It shouldnt affect demand that much from LHR/LGW
 
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Re: MAN news - 2018

Sun May 20, 2018 2:41 pm

What about Oman Air for the Sunday longhaul timetable?
 
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Sun May 20, 2018 4:39 pm

As I put, it's only up to 4.59pm with Oman coming in aroumd 7pm. Couldn't get other 8 or so long-haul flights after that cut off time into excel and print screen it without the font size becoming too small. The bigger T2 ought to help matters in getting some more morning long-haul in give or take the slot situation but I reckon it's about trying to get some extra services to operate in the late afternoon/evening if it's possible.
 
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Sun May 20, 2018 6:17 pm

Yes, I see that now. For my very first post I should have made sure I was accurate! Living in CT, USA, I don't always remember the arrival and departure times, and I recalled, obviously incorrectly that it was a morning arrival.
 
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Re: MAN news - 2018

Mon May 21, 2018 6:47 am

Cathay Pacific to use A350-1000s from 1st December through to 28th February
 
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Re: MAN news - 2018

Mon May 21, 2018 9:05 am

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Cathay Pacific to use A350-1000s from 1st December through to 28th February


Another positive step in the right direction. Perhaps in lieu of the extra A359 rotations for now, but it certainly bridges the gap if CX consider 11x weekly in a year or two.
 
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Re: MAN news - 2018

Tue May 22, 2018 8:26 am

Some more MAN news:

1 - article on the recent Jet and Ethiopian services.

https://blueswandaily.com/ethiopians-ne ... o-be-done/

2 - PIA increase ISB to daily.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... july-2018/

3 - more A330 for Jet2 in S19

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... ns-in-s19/
 
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Re: MAN news - 2018

Tue May 22, 2018 9:27 am

Does anyone know what happened to yesterday’s (21MAY) EK022?
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Re: MAN news - 2018

Tue May 22, 2018 9:01 pm

Looks like Jet2 are bringing Vienna back as a permanent destination:

LS959 MAN 1400 VIE 1730 Mon/Fri
LS959 MAN 1510 VIE 1840 Wed

LS960 VIE 1805 MAN 1935 Fri
LS960 VIE 1815 MAN 1945 Mon
LS960 VIE 1925 MAN 2055 Wed

B737-800 from 1st May 2019.

That’s now 13 weekly flights to Vienna on 3 different carriers (daily Austrian Airlines and 3 weekly each from Jet2 and Easyjet).
 
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Wed May 23, 2018 9:09 pm

Samrnpage wrote:
Id love BA to set up a base in manchester. A mini gatwick style leisure base with a handful of jets. At the end of the day there is no feed from manchester to gatwick. It shouldnt affect demand that much from LHR/LGW


I'm not entirely sure what a half hearted BA base would achieve.

The mini-LGW options would merely duplicate existing routes, likely already served by VS and TCX. I think it would struggle.

Another option would be to copy the DL/VS option, and fly to AA hubs in the US. Again, I dont see what tat offers that AA couldnt do, and it has recently cut back ORD and JFK.

I get the feeling BA has missed the boat at MAN - but perhaps BA's premium heavy model would never work at MAN, and perhaps they arent willing to compromise with a J/PE/Y type subfleet. Having said that, perhaps when they resolve the staff contract issues (i.e. cabin crew are on mixed fleet contracts) perhaps this becomes a viable option.
 
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Thu May 24, 2018 3:40 pm

DobboDobbo wrote:

Another option would be to copy the DL/VS option, and fly to AA hubs in the US. Again, I dont see what tat offers that AA couldnt do, and it has recently cut back ORD and JFK.

I get the feeling BA has missed the boat at MAN - but perhaps BA's premium heavy model would never work at MAN, and perhaps they arent willing to compromise with a J/PE/Y type subfleet. Having said that, perhaps when they resolve the staff contract issues (i.e. cabin crew are on mixed fleet contracts) perhaps this becomes a viable option.


I thought AA was cutting back ORD because BA were mumbling something about using their own metal on that route with some W pattern from LGW?

I agree though that they could copy the VS/DL option, AA have been cutting routes to the point where the only long term option is PHL so if BA took on a few routes to AA hubs it could pull some passengers off VS flights. For instance I prefer AA but will be using VS for the first time in August and should they impress I will then use VS for my flights to the USA having already got a few trips in the planning stages (such as MAN-ATL-PHX and MAN-JFK-ORD). I believe it could work but BA don't have the spare aircraft to hand for this and they don't seem particularly keen on doing much outside of London...

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Re: MAN news - 2018

Thu May 24, 2018 5:30 pm

I can’t see why VS wouldn’t impress, they use the better terminal than AA did, their product on board is better save for the A330-200 they got from AB, but should you go via JFK then the 744 is very good product, plus their service as far as my experience goes with VS is impeccable
 
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Thu May 24, 2018 5:33 pm

FlyingColours wrote:
I thought AA was cutting back ORD because BA were mumbling something about using their own metal on that route with some W pattern from LGW?

I agree though that they could copy the VS/DL option, AA have been cutting routes to the point where the only long term option is PHL so if BA took on a few routes to AA hubs it could pull some passengers off VS flights. For instance I prefer AA but will be using VS for the first time in August and should they impress I will then use VS for my flights to the USA having already got a few trips in the planning stages (such as MAN-ATL-PHX and MAN-JFK-ORD). I believe it could work but BA don't have the spare aircraft to hand for this and they don't seem particularly keen on doing much outside of London...

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It doesn't seem like anything is happening at the moment on that front.

To me, the biggest opportunity for BA would be on short haul. If BA can get its cost structure right, there is little difference between BA on short haul and EasyJet (or others). That ship has probably sailed, but the circa 20 odd aircraft base planned by EZY could quite easily have been operated by BA and offered the foundations for a long haul base. I don't see the present BACF operation getting there, but you never know.

Until the shuttle dries up, I don't see BA making many changes at MAN - just incremental growth.
 
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Thu May 24, 2018 5:42 pm

BA doesn't need MAN and MAN certainly doesn't need BA. That's the long and short of it I'm afraid. Those days are over.
 
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Thu May 24, 2018 7:59 pm

80th anniversary celebrations planned. Giant bee in the interchange and I'm wondering if KLM will decide to bring in a DDA Dc3 - one recollects KL001 operating on the 50th anniversary.

http://www.travelweekly.co.uk/articles/304281/manchester-airport-set-to-celebrate-80th-birthday

CWL-MAN is one of a handful of routes the Welsh Government is thinking of as a PSO route

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/subsided-air-route-manchester-cardiff-14700133
 
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Thu May 24, 2018 9:33 pm

Do any of you expect new transatlantic routes from Virgin Atlantic to be announced this summer? Do they have any new aircraft coming online next year?
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Thu May 24, 2018 10:27 pm

FLYKTPA wrote:
Do any of you expect new transatlantic routes from Virgin Atlantic to be announced this summer? Do they have any new aircraft coming online next year?


I hoping they increase frequencies on current LAX,SFO, BOS etc services and possibly extend the time of operation ( depending of loads and profitability).

I doubt they r looking to open new routes until current ones mature and with the B787 issues, I think they are tight on frames
 
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Fri May 25, 2018 6:54 am

EK006 wrote:
FLYKTPA wrote:
Do any of you expect new transatlantic routes from Virgin Atlantic to be announced this summer? Do they have any new aircraft coming online next year?


I hoping they increase frequencies on current LAX,SFO, BOS etc services and possibly extend the time of operation ( depending of loads and profitability).

I doubt they r looking to open new routes until current ones mature and with the B787 issues, I think they are tight on frames


They dont operate to LAX sadly. But I think in time, LAX (and MIA) could work. I’m actually surprised they chose SFO over LAX to begin with!
 
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Fri May 25, 2018 8:24 am

8herveg wrote:
EK006 wrote:
FLYKTPA wrote:
Do any of you expect new transatlantic routes from Virgin Atlantic to be announced this summer? Do they have any new aircraft coming online next year?


I hoping they increase frequencies on current LAX,SFO, BOS etc services and possibly extend the time of operation ( depending of loads and profitability).

I doubt they r looking to open new routes until current ones mature and with the B787 issues, I think they are tight on frames


They dont operate to LAX sadly. But I think in time, LAX (and MIA) could work. I’m actually surprised they chose SFO over LAX to begin with!


Yeah - I was surprised they went for SFO over LAX, although I gather at least part of the reason behind that is the tech industry. I'm not sure the media industry in Manchester and the North is quite at that level.

However, I agree LAX has to be in VS's sights moving forward. I actually thought the A332s were intended to make it easier (i.e. Cheaper) for VS to open up new routes from MAN. As stated, the B789 engine issues seem to be causing no end of problems - so I wonder how long it will be before we see new routes at MAN...
 
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Fri May 25, 2018 8:53 pm

Fairly significant update on the Transformation Programme.

Link and text below with my emphasis - I'll share my thoughts later (including what I think is omitted and some reading between the lines).

http://mediacentre.manchesterairport.co ... on-of-man/


As work continues on our Transformation Programme we wanted to lift the lid on what it takes to create a fully working terminal from concept designs.

In June 2015 we announced a 10-year investment in our infrastructure, delivering ‘a better, faster and more modern’ airport experience.

Since then, a team of capacity planners, customer experience experts, architects and engineers have been working on the design of the new terminal and airfield and as you can see from the drone footage, work is continuing at pace to ensure the first sections are open for Spring next year.

Here we explore how some of those ideas have developed and continue to evolve:

The process

The MAN-TP team is following the RIBA Plan of Works process. Developed by the Royal Institute of British Architects this method begins with the setting of the programme requirements. For the airport this meant understanding the number of aircraft and customers expected at various points in the future, exploring how the airport would operate and what experience customers would want. For example, how many passengers will there be in a particular year and what time of day are most people likely to travel?

These needs are then used to develop a concept design which gets refined as a result of engagement with a wide range of interested parties – from airlines and retailers to passenger groups - and further investigation into how the spaces will work. As time progresses, improvements are made wherever possible and designs are finalised.

As the transformation is so significant it has been broken up into more than 30 projects which are at different stages in the RIBA process.

There are a number of complexities that make the transformation programme unique. For example, the evolution of the project needs to take into account the needs/requests of more than 50 different airlines – this includes their office space, aircraft types and growth projections. It also needs to take into account security regulations around the use of space and how the building will work with the existing Terminal 2 operation. Wherever possible, the team gathers insight into anticipated changes in customer behaviour and technology, so that the end design reflects the very latest thinking.

The terminal

The original concept design had Terminal 2 increasing by 140% but, we are keen to significantly enhance the availability of seating in the new space and with increasing requests from airlines for premium lounges, a mezzanine floor was introduced to the design. This now means there will be 50% more seats available than are currently in Terminals 1 and 2 combined.

Further changes were made to the main terminal size when Laing O’Rourke was awarded the main contract for the scheme. They proposed that the west pier be demolished and rebuilt rather than retained and refurbished. It was not only safer to deliver this solution, but also meant that the main extension did not need to follow the existing gridlines. This meant fewer columns in the new design and more usable space internally and the end result is a terminal building that will be 150% bigger than the existing – this is an increase on what was originally envisaged and means the design is perfectly sized to accommodate all the features we want it to.

The airfield and piers

At the concept stage the airfield design included three piers and what’s called a ‘Dual C’ taxiway for the aircraft to access them. This meant that two narrow-bodied aircraft (e.g. Airbus A320, Boeing 737) could pass one another, but wide-bodied aircraft (e.g. Boeing 777, Airbus 330) would need to take a route down the centre whilst other aircraft were held back.

As the team modelled the airfield traffic for a busy day in 2024, they realised that introducing a larger ‘Dual E’ taxiway would significantly enhance the efficiency of the airfield, allowing most aircraft to manoeuvre to and from the runway without stopping.

The design team has also safeguarded the opportunity for an additional pier, taking the count from three to four. While no date has been set yet for building this fourth pier, an area remains protected to the east of the airfield, meaning it can easily be delivered in the future if the need arises. This means the airport can maximise the use of the airfield, in terms of the number of aircraft we can park on it, while paving the way for an extra pier if it is needed in the future.

The pier design has also changed because of consultation with customers. The initial concept design had the piers at two levels but they are now raised up “on stilts” to match the terminal’s arrival and departure levels. This improvement minimises the number of times customers need to use stairs or lifts, which was important to those who have been consulted with.

As part of the same design process, a new bussing gate lounge has been created at one of the piers closest to the main terminal building, shortening walking distances for those customers whose airlines are using remote stands. This building has not featured on any of the previous images that have been published and is a perfect example of how the project’s scope has increased during the design process.

The pier itself is also slightly shorter than the first to open (April 2019) whilst the second pier to be built will be longest, with an extra floor to accommodate business lounges. These changes were a direct result of the ongoing consultation process with airlines and passenger user groups and is an example of how the scheme can be flexed, based on what our different users want.

The airfield reconfiguration is probably the most complex piece of design work. The introduction of finger piers means turning the stands through 90 degrees ensuring the power and services are in the right position and the concrete is angled correctly to ensure the safe collection of ‘run-off’ rain water and de-icer for treatment. These are examples of things that don’t typically have to be considered in other, more standard, developments.

We will not only maintain our existing flying programme through the development, it will continue to grow, so there have been several design iterations to work out the best programme for reconfiguring the airfield whilst maintaining safe operations and accommodating more aircraft movements in the process – for example, the pier build order is one of the things which has changed.

Look and feel

Once the major elements of the infrastructure are confirmed, the team will work with stakeholders on the more detailed elements of the design, for example the look and feel of the departure lounge. Artists’ impressions providing a flavour of the look and feel have already been shared but the airport hosts customer and special interest forums where elements such as seating, lighting and colour schemes can be influenced ahead of any orders being placed.

One thing that came back from everyone we spoke to is that they want the gate areas and main terminal building to have stunning panoramic views of the airfield through big glass windows and that will be the case.

For many of the design elements, particularly the interior of the departure lounge, the airport is keen to wait until the last responsible moment before making a final decision and this is an area we will provide updates on in the months ahead. This is to ensure the solution reflects latest consumer behaviour and technological advancements at the time, as opposed to locking us into a design that might be out of date by the time it is delivered.

This is particularly true of technology solutions, where it is hoped the most up-to-date kit can be included in the scheme wherever possible. For example, currently the departure lounge design concept includes a living wall which may still be included, but the airport is also exploring multimedia options for this space, like those people may have seen at airports around the world. Various concepts for within the terminal will be tested with customers to ensure it has the wow factor when it comes to opening the doors.

In the check-in hall through refining design, we’re also going to be including tear drop style check-in desks. Again, these were not present in initial designs but have been added based on feedback from airlines as to how they would like their passengers to check-in.

Continuing to evolve

As we move through the design phases, different things get various levels of focus and decisions are then taken. This is a natural process for a project of this size and scale, being delivered over many years. By following this process Manchester Airport hopes to offer a world class experience which meets the needs of the modern traveller.
 
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Re: MAN news - 2018

Fri May 25, 2018 11:31 pm

EK006 wrote:
FLYKTPA wrote:
Do any of you expect new transatlantic routes from Virgin Atlantic to be announced this summer? Do they have any new aircraft coming online next year?


I hoping they increase frequencies on current LAX,SFO, BOS etc services and possibly extend the time of operation ( depending of loads and profitability).

I doubt they r looking to open new routes until current ones mature and with the B787 issues, I think they are tight on frames


This is exactly it.they're tight on frames. So it's just a matter of time really.
 
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Re: MAN news - 2018

Sat May 26, 2018 9:19 am

My thoughts on the design changes to the TP:

The Terminal

An increase in size is obviously welcome, albeit I'm not clear whether the mezzanine is an expansion of the structure (there is a box type addition in top) or simply fitting another floor in an otherwise double height are. The increase in demand for lounges is positive although hopefully not at the expense of the main circulatory area.

The Airfield and piers

I'm not sure if the expanded taxiway refers to the main "trunk" between the runways or the "branches" accessing the individual piers. I assume the latter because I always thought the "trunk" was intended to allow 777 size aircraft to pass.

The "bussing gate lounge" is, I assume, a repurposing of the the existing temporary gates. Nothing intrinsically wrong with this, but I'd have thought there would be space for this at a better location (unless it's only anticipate as a 5-10 year solution). However, I'm surprised because I think this should be the "showpiece" pier, it being front and centre of the panoramic view.

There is no mention of USPC, and I wonder if this is linked to the strange shortness of the current middle pier. I hope MAN don't build this out in a stunted form as this is the pier in full view. Ideally, a clone of the easternmost pier would be better, which now incorporates lounges on an upper level. This holds the A380 gates so I assume at least one lounge here will be EK. I'm not sure who the others could be, as it would be quite inconvenient if you had to exit your lounge to board via another pier.

Look and feel

It's good to hear they want the wow factor, a central feature is planned and this may be the living wall. Much of the WoW will depend on the finish and (IMO) the facilities, including restaurants and shops available.

The large glass windows (will the airfield side be a large glass wall?) are positive. There is nothing on whether MAN intend to tie in the look and feel of the old building with that of the new one. I assume they will do something, but I've not seen any indication of what that might be.

As the design continues to evolve, and MAN continues to add new carriers, hopefully further design changes (for the better) will emerge.
 
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Re: MAN news - 2018

Sat May 26, 2018 5:07 pm

 
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Re: MAN news - 2018

Sun May 27, 2018 6:56 am

Anna aero's done an interesting piece on the Keflavik transfers onto the combined transatlantic routes. They've given estimated one-way transfer traffic from a number of European airports with MAN in 13th place (surprisingly given the much greater range of US destinations from London, LGW and LHR are ranked 5th and 6th).

http://www.anna.aero/2018/05/25/power-iceland-atlantic-bridge/

Using that data and the CAA's 2017 annual statistics, I've come up with this graphic to show the ratio of transferring traffic from the 5 UK airports they've given numbers for, having arbitrarily doubling the one-way traffic (not unreasonable I would suggest, given the CAA's statistics are for 2 way traffic).

Image

If only we had the airline breakdown for the CAA statistics, we could then actually see the market share for U2 and FI and see how many of FI's passengers are actually not going to the States.
 
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Re: MAN news - 2018

Sun May 27, 2018 7:42 am

STN has got fuel issues from lighting strikes overnight. Etihad Cargo 77F A6-DDB coming in.. surprised it didn't go to EMA!
 
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Re: MAN news - 2018

Sun May 27, 2018 8:09 am

David the Icelandair figures really aren’t that surprising given their levels of advertising around the capital and cheap fare offers .They have been Very prominently placed in the tube network and broadcasted on local LBC and Heart radio stations for months !
Oh and there are rather many cheapskates in and around the capital- it’s not all upfront seaters at x5 and x10 base fares you know for that sandwich and preflight bubbly newspaper lounge access and bath chair experience
 
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Re: MAN news - 2018

Sun May 27, 2018 3:37 pm

Inaugural MAN-SEA by MT is well underway and operated by one of the Air Tanker A330s.

Holiday time again so the usual thing has happened on TK1993:
27-May-18 Istanbul (IST) Manchester (MAN) A332 (TC-JIL)
26-May-18 Istanbul (IST) Manchester (MAN) A333 (TC-JNJ)
25-May-18 Istanbul (IST) Manchester (MAN) A333 (TC-LOE)
 
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Re: MAN news - 2018

Sun May 27, 2018 3:47 pm

The TP adding more than anticipated premium lounge space is much appreciated. I flew out on QR yesterday and the escape plus lounge QR & VS use is a pokey little hole. The contrast with the QR lounge at LHR is stark.
 
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Re: MAN news - 2018

Sun May 27, 2018 3:51 pm

Bit more information/speculation on Thai Airways to MAN

https://www.bangkokpost.com/news/specia ... ai-airways

"In the near future, the airline is considering opening a second route in the UK, eying Manchester as a possibility. THAI is now operating 14 flights between Bangkok and London".
 
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Re: MAN news - 2018

Mon May 28, 2018 8:49 pm

The outbound journey for MT to SEA got covered in the Evening Newsr. There is one intriguing quote:

"we have seen 43 per cent of bookings for Seattle have a feeder destination at either end with one of our partner airlines, with the most popular including Portland, Salt Lake City and Honolulu."

Let's rule out HNL as a destination (don't have right equipment for the sector length). So I wonder what the likelihood is for either PDX or SLC becoming a destimatiion out of MAN in the medium to long-term?

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/business/thomas-cook-flight-manchester-seattle-14714781
 
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Re: MAN news - 2018

Mon May 28, 2018 8:55 pm

David_itl wrote:
The outbound journey for MT to SEA got covered in the Evening Newsr. There is one intriguing quote:

"we have seen 43 per cent of bookings for Seattle have a feeder destination at either end with one of our partner airlines, with the most popular including Portland, Salt Lake City and Honolulu."

Let's rule out HNL as a destination (don't have right equipment for the sector length). So I wonder what the likelihood is for either PDX or SLC becoming a destimatiion out of MAN in the medium to long-term?

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/business/thomas-cook-flight-manchester-seattle-14714781

Condor already or at least used to fly to Portland from Frankfurt plus it is an Alaska Airlines hub though not as big as Seattle of course. Delta has a 4 weekly LHR service now which is seasonal it has the AMS service which i use and is daily and a service to KEF so it's European destinations are growing so i don't see why in a few years MAN wouldn't be viable.
 
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Re: MAN news - 2018

Tue May 29, 2018 5:57 am

HNL could be possible should TCX go for the A350 ;)

It is great to see that SEA is off to a good start :)

Phil
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