MAN news - 2018

User001 · Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:23 am

Qatar will now be 21 weekly from 1st June 2019. All 3 flights will be daily.

DobboDobbo · Tue Jul 10, 2018 2:07 pm

User001 wrote:
Qatar will now be 21 weekly from 1st June 2019. All 3 flights will be daily.

Is it A359 morning and afternoon with B788 in the evening?

In any event it is an extraordinary increase in capacity in the circumstances.

Armodeen · Tue Jul 10, 2018 2:59 pm

Going for the Etihad jugular? :eyepopping:

DobboDobbo · Tue Jul 10, 2018 7:12 pm

Looks like the rolling annual total has passed 28m.

http://mag-umbraco-media-live.s3.amazon ... -2018.xlsx

David_itl · Tue Jul 10, 2018 7:32 pm

My primeval computer can't cope with XLSX files so did a bit of jiggery pokey and conjured up this image:

JakTrax · Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:43 pm

[quote=Is it A359 morning and afternoon with B788 in the evening?[/quote]

Yes, on a daily basis from 28th October.

DobboDobbo · Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:34 pm

Armodeen wrote:
Going for the Etihad jugular?

This might also coincide with Emirates reductions caused by the closure of a runway at DXB...

User001 · Thu Jul 12, 2018 7:04 am

6 new Easyjet routes this winter.

Barcelona, Bordeaux, Faro, Innsbruck, Lanzarote and Lisbon.

User001 · Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:33 am

In addition, Easyjet will base 5 more aircraft at Manchester. 2 will be added this winter, and a further 3 next summer, making 17 based in total. Volos will be one of the new summer routes,

DobboDobbo · Thu Jul 12, 2018 1:00 pm

https://mediacentre.manchesterairport.c ... er-airport

EasyJet announcement.

Samrnpage · Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:22 am

I am seeing adverts on Airliners.net for Air China from Manchester to various destinations, is Air China launching flights soon?

User001 · Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:52 am

I think those adverts are just internet history based. Adverts that target recent google searches to appeal to you.

MANMatthew · Fri Jul 20, 2018 6:03 am

Seems to be a quiet week this week. Guess we have been spoilt with lots of positive announcements recently.

One observation from me after flying MAN-MCT-DXB - Oman Air must be holding on to some passengers as O&D instead of nearly 100% transit, because if you are going east QR and EK are still streets ahead. And prices have been comparable recently, too.

f4f3a · Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:28 am

Could easyJet launch their worldwide product here?

User001 · Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:44 am

It would depend on MAN facilitating the transfer process. The worldwide by Easyjet product is actually a LGW product, and thus bookings are protected by LGW rather than Easyjet.

I can see it coming in time, especially with the growth of the Easyjet operation at MAN, Also bounded by the fact MAN does have a transfer facility and also Thomas Cook (MAN also being their biggest base) and being a partner for worldwide at LGW

MANMatthew · Fri Jul 20, 2018 7:41 pm

2x CX A359s on the ground tomorrow due to today’s being delayed. For anyone who wants a photo anyway.

User001 · Sun Jul 29, 2018 2:51 pm

Thomas Cook long haul changes for Summer 2019.

LAX goes 2 weekly and starts one month later. (Affect of VS starting the route on the exact same days at TCX)
BOS appears to have been cut (again VS increased flights)
JFK goes from 7 to 8 weekly with 2 flights on Mondays
CUN goes from 6 weekly to 9 weekly
MCO goes from 9 weekly to 13 weekly, with 3 flights on Sundays
SEA goes from 2 weekly to 3 weekly
MBJ resumed as a 1 weekly flight
SFO has days of operation changed but remains 3 weekly

seemyseems · Sun Jul 29, 2018 3:25 pm

User001 wrote:
Thomas Cook long haul changes for Summer 2019.

LAX goes 2 weekly and starts one month later. (Affect of VS starting the route on the exact same days at TCX)
BOS appears to have been cut (again VS increased flights)
JFK goes from 7 to 8 weekly with 2 flights on Mondays
CUN goes from 6 weekly to 9 weekly
MCO goes from 9 weekly to 13 weekly, with 3 flights on Sundays
SEA goes from 2 weekly to 3 weekly
MBJ resumed as a 1 weekly flight
SFO has days of operation changed but remains 3 weekly

Interesting about BOS. I’m flying that route in August. I’m guessing G-VYGM won’t be flying for MT next year.

DobboDobbo · Mon Jul 30, 2018 5:10 pm

TCX announcement.

https://www.thomascookgroup.com/news/30 ... e?ref=Home

by738 · Mon Jul 30, 2018 5:32 pm

... so STN longhaul dropped?

User001 · Mon Jul 30, 2018 8:04 pm

Yes it appears STN is gone. The aircraft that was previously shared between GLA and STN will now be GLA/MAN.

axiom · Mon Jul 30, 2018 9:38 pm

Does this mean that there are no new routes for next summer ex-MAN? And confirmation that the Air Tanker bird is out?

8herveg · Tue Jul 31, 2018 7:07 am

axiom wrote:
Does this mean that there are no new routes for next summer ex-MAN? And confirmation that the Air Tanker bird is out?

In the article, it mentions that they are launching Montego Bay as a new route...?

User001 · Tue Jul 31, 2018 8:02 am

As mentioned there is a new route to Montego Bay (technically a re-introduction) and rumours of 2 new routes.

One of The air tanker could be gone (going to Jet2) but there are new aircraft coming Ming in as they confirm MAN will be 8 based long haul as opposed to the 7 of this year. There is room in the based aircraft for the rumoured new routes should they come to pass.

DobboDobbo · Tue Jul 31, 2018 8:48 am

It'll be interesting to see what TCX do with the extended fleet in winter - assuming there not taken up with maintainence or leased out to other operators...

axiom · Tue Jul 31, 2018 8:54 am

8herveg wrote:
axiom wrote:
Does this mean that there are no new routes for next summer ex-MAN? And confirmation that the Air Tanker bird is out?

In the article, it mentions that they are launching Montego Bay as a new route...?

I recall MBJ being served before, no? I interpreted it as a resumption, in the back of my mind, in any case.

axiom · Tue Jul 31, 2018 8:59 am

User001 wrote:
As mentioned there is a new route to Montego Bay (technically a re-introduction) and rumours of 2 new routes.

One of The air tanker could be gone (going to Jet2) but there are new aircraft coming Ming in as they confirm MAN will be 8 based long haul as opposed to the 7 of this year. There is room in the based aircraft for the rumoured new routes should they come to pass.

Thanks - I didn't know about the new aircraft. Having a hard time picturing how the fleet is spread out now with these additions and subtractions. Suppose we'll see! Still hoping to see them try a new North American route or two -- TPA, SAN, BWI would all be fun. But they may be too marginal for MT, especially if they're looking to shore up their financials for a (partial) sale of the flying business like some seem to think.

Channex757 · Tue Jul 31, 2018 9:53 am

The partial sale of the flying business seems to me to be an opening move in raising capital to both cut debt and begin work on refleeting. DE is getting to the stage where the 763 fleet needs to go, as it both has value as freighter feedstock and is coming to the end of its viability as a passenger fleet.

MT also needs work on its fleet. Some of the A332 date back to Airtours and are getting on in years. MT tends to lease its aircraft, and I've got a sneaking suspicion where the business for both MT and DE needs will be placed. After all, there are lessors with A330NEO orderbooks.....

DobboDobbo · Tue Jul 31, 2018 11:13 am

The potential of TCX getting another investor on board is interesting. As I see it the possible reasons, of which more than one can apply, are (in no particular order):

1 - debt reduction, pure and simple.
2 - disposal of airline business to another owner.
3 - find a new strategic partner.
4 - capital injection for fleet renewal.

Who knows where this will go.

Turning back to Fleet plans, I don't know about the A330 production line, but I'd have thought the Thomas Cook group would prefer second hand A330 or end of line new A330ceo?

axiom · Tue Jul 31, 2018 11:25 am

Both of you make savvy and sound points, with which I agree with all. (Much more coherent than that MT thread...).

I can't see what other aircraft offers a better fit than the A330, even with the aggressive pricing Boeing has been offering on the 787. It's a lot of plane for MT's bread and butter routes like the Mouse Express.

Channex757 · Tue Jul 31, 2018 11:32 am

Re fleet plans for our resident...

The Airtours A330s {that includes some that went to Scandinavia} were on 20 year leases by the look of things. As they come to the end, might MT see the possibility of going like-for-like with their core longhaul fleet and turning over Condor's ageing 767s as one big deal? A batch of 45+ A339NEO on 20 year leases?

There are capital costs involved even if it's just a lease as DE will need money to train and equip. So my feeling is that the part sale is (from your list) mostly 1 and some 4.

axiom · Tue Jul 31, 2018 11:34 am

Channex757 wrote:
Re fleet plans for our resident...

The Airtours A330s {that includes some that went to Scandinavia} were on 20 year leases by the look of things. As they come to the end, might MT see the possibility of going like-for-like with their core longhaul fleet and turning over Condor's ageing 767s as one big deal? A batch of 45+ A339NEO on 20 year leases?

There are capital costs involved even if it's just a lease as DE will need money to train and equip. So my feeling is that the part sale is (from your list) mostly 1 and some 4.

This is my first instinct too -- time to clean up the books to raise capital for the fleet.

DobboDobbo · Tue Jul 31, 2018 2:44 pm

I am also minded to agree that any sale of a stake in the airline business is intended to address the balance sheet and position the group for fleet renewal.

However, I wonder if seeking a Chinese partner may also be on the agenda? If TCX can find a Chinese domestic carrier to feed long haul flights (this using the UK rights in the bilateral) that might be a particularly profitable tie up (Thomas Cook could sell European holidays to Chinese tourists...).

Regarding the fleet, the A330 family makes perfect sense. The B787 and A350 have too much capability (and cost...) for the overwhelming majority of TCX's current and potential missions at MAN (US East and west coast, India, Far East, South Africa). To me, the A332 or, if they push the boat out, the A338/339 would be a perfect common Fleet for the group - if it is affordable.

msycajun · Tue Jul 31, 2018 3:04 pm

We here at MSY have been following MT closely since they appeared on a list of tenants for our new North Terminal which opens February 2019. Do you think there is potential for special announcements for new routes for summer 2019 or does the general summer press release usually cover everything? I also wonder if MSY might make sense as a fall, winter or spring add? Our busiest tourism months are usually October, November, March, and April (sometimes Feb, depending on Mardi Gras) and we have no low cost service to Europe during those months.

xijiayu · Tue Jul 31, 2018 3:28 pm

I was on Oman Air flight arriving from MCT yesterday. The load in economy class was pretty poor, less than half from what I observed, but the new B787-9 was nice and better than the older A330. I wonder why their load was so low even in the August summer month, hope they can sustain the route.

Luftymatt · Tue Jul 31, 2018 5:20 pm

xijiayu wrote:
I was on Oman Air flight arriving from MCT yesterday. The load in economy class was pretty poor, less than half from what I observed, but the new B787-9 was nice and better than the older A330. I wonder why their load was so low even in the August summer month, hope they can sustain the route.

Traditionally summer is a low time for the Middle east, due to the high temperatures out there at this time of year.

DobboDobbo · Tue Jul 31, 2018 6:26 pm

msycajun wrote:
We here at MSY have been following MT closely since they appeared on a list of tenants for our new North Terminal which opens February 2019. Do you think there is potential for special announcements for new routes for summer 2019 or does the general summer press release usually cover everything? I also wonder if MSY might make sense as a fall, winter or spring add? Our busiest tourism months are usually October, November, March, and April (sometimes Feb, depending on Mardi Gras) and we have no low cost service to Europe during those months.

I believe there are spaces for an 8 x A330 fleet to operate a number of other routes. However, this may be European short haul flying in peak season.

I also understand that 9 x A330s are required on a Monday. If that is accurate, there are even more spaces for long haul rotations.

MSY and BWI have been mooted as potential new routes, MSY on the same basis you say above (they are a tennant in the new terminal - which looks pretty good BTW).

MAN-MSY would be a fantastic, niche, route for TCX who may feel they can replicate the success of SEA. I'd not rule it out, but don't expect anything more than a 2-3x weekly seasonal route (I have no idea when a good season would be for inbound tourists to MSY!).

DobboDobbo · Fri Aug 03, 2018 10:21 pm

Slight increase to the initial MAN-BOM frequency by Jet. I believe the plan is to be daily by March 2019, but this is a positive step nevertheless.

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Jet Airways in this past week’s schedule update filed additional frequency for its planned Mumbai – Manchester route, set to commence on 05NOV18, subject to Government Approval. The airline currently displays 5 weekly flights, instead of 4, with extra flight added on Fridays, with Airbus A330-200 aircraft.

9W130 BOM0230 – 0755MAN 332 x23
9W129 MAN0935 – 0040+1BOM 332 x23

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... -nov-2018/

MANMatthew · Sun Aug 05, 2018 10:04 am

Luftymatt wrote:
xijiayu wrote:
I was on Oman Air flight arriving from MCT yesterday. The load in economy class was pretty poor, less than half from what I observed, but the new B787-9 was nice and better than the older A330. I wonder why their load was so low even in the August summer month, hope they can sustain the route.

Traditionally summer is a low time for the Middle east, due to the high temperatures out there at this time of year.

For O&D traffic this would be a solid explanation. However, Oman want to drive their own tourism and connecting passengers, so the light load could potentially be a slight concern.

I flew them on the A332 before the 789 came in and wasn’t that impressed, especially when you’ve got EK and QR offering similar prices and times ex-MAN.

IMO Oman needs to get new routes open that MAN passengers want to visit, and then go in hard with launch pricing to get traction.

They offer over 10 destinations in India now, which is fine and if that’s the market they want to target, carry on. But if you want to steal passengers from ME3 (let’s be honest, it’s all stealing with minimal incremental), then you’ve got to beat them at their own game.

I admire Oman for serving MAN and always welcome new routes, but there’s a a few things to iron out in the medium term, based on my limited knowledge.

Channex757 · Sun Aug 05, 2018 10:15 am

msycajun wrote:
We here at MSY have been following MT closely since they appeared on a list of tenants for our new North Terminal which opens February 2019. Do you think there is potential for special announcements for new routes for summer 2019 or does the general summer press release usually cover everything? I also wonder if MSY might make sense as a fall, winter or spring add? Our busiest tourism months are usually October, November, March, and April (sometimes Feb, depending on Mardi Gras) and we have no low cost service to Europe during those months.

It's actually a little early for a lot of carriers who will announce Summer 19 plans around November. A launch of a new route like MSY could come at any time.

I see it being a double header too with LGW offered. A lot will depend on TCX getting the holiday side up to speed on the route. with hotels and other stuff like car hire. The leisure market in the UK is in one of its more sophisticated phases with new destinations

User001 · Sun Aug 05, 2018 10:57 am

MT will only have 1 A330 based at LGW which is already fully utilised for S19.

I don’t see MT expanding much TATL at LGW, seems to be the MAN focus for that one. Just doesn’t fit in with what DE/MT have been developing.

FlyingColours · Mon Aug 06, 2018 3:08 pm

MT could use an A330 on a W-Pattern from Manchester though MAN-MSY-LGW-MSY-MAN though it would be unlikely given the frequencies involved (unless it was to meet up with cruise ships or something which would cater for 8/9/10 day cruises to match up with an uneven flight pattern).

Regarding the MT A330s which came from Airtours, It was my understanding that the lease terms were not particularly favorable when new though I'd be almost positive that they would have tried to renegotiate it at some point either before or after the merger.

Phil
FlyingColours

David_itl · Mon Aug 06, 2018 8:03 pm

VLM now off the menu as they are dropping all scheduled flights apart from Antwerp to London City and Zurich

Armodeen · Mon Aug 06, 2018 10:04 pm

David_itl wrote:
VLM now off the menu as they are dropping all scheduled flights apart from Antwerp to London City and Zurich

Glad that I didn't end up booking with them. I was seriously looking at catching a ride on the F50 to Antwerp.

Scottiedog · Thu Aug 09, 2018 5:00 pm

Changes for this summer and coming winter.

Qatar as previously reported will upgrade from B788-8 (254seats) to A350-900 (283seats) from 1st October on the morning and lunchtime services.

CANCELLATIONS

Pegasus - have cancelled all slots for Sabiha Gokcen (SAW)

WINTER 2018 - (Planned Air Transport Movements are currently +18.2% and Seats 21.5% compared with W17 season actual).

ADDITIONAL FLIGHTS

Jet Airways - as previously mentioned Jet our increasing their service to 5 per week. Flights are scheduled for Mon, Thu, Fri, Sat, Sun.

CHANGES

Qatar - the summer change continues through the winter.

Royal Air Maroc – Equipment change from B737-800 to B737-700

CANCELLATIONS

KLM - earlier plans to increase from 5 to 6 flights per day are cancelled.

Scottiedog · Thu Aug 09, 2018 5:46 pm

July 2018 statistics

Terminal passengers - 27,928,850 +2.57%
Total (Inc transits passengers) - 28,025,758 - +2.47%

TheGeordielad · Sat Aug 18, 2018 4:59 pm

Thomas Cook will suspend Boston for Summer 19

adamh8297 · Sat Aug 18, 2018 5:17 pm

TheGeordielad wrote:
Thomas Cook will suspend Boston for Summer 19

Have they given a reason for this yet? Is it fleet related?

by738 · Sat Aug 18, 2018 6:09 pm

I'd suggest it was loads/yields related....
If it was rammed and profitable theres no way it would be dropped
BOS is always quite marginal over the years

FlyingColours · Sat Aug 18, 2018 9:26 pm

Aren't Virgin picking up Boston next year? They have seemed to be going tit-for-tat with TCX on some routes like SFO and LAX...

Phil
FlyingColours

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