MAN news - 2018

sk736 · Mon Feb 19, 2018 10:55 pm

User001 wrote:
British Airways cityflyer adding a 4th based aircraft this summer, up from the 2 based last summer.

Palma and London City gain extra flights, and the new route to Florence moves from an away based E170 to a larger based E190 (and new time of departure also).

A new route on Sunday morning is also expected.

Do you know what the LCY schedule will look like?

User001 · Tue Feb 20, 2018 9:51 pm

The LCY schedules are:

BA7310 LCY 1940 MAN 2040
Thursday’s

BA7337 MAN 1150 LCY 1250
BA7311 MAN 1955 LCY 2055
Sunday’s

DobboDobbo · Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:39 pm

TP

Seeing a few pictures of the new "pepper pots" on the new pier indicates that a staircase (rather than a slope as I'd hoped) will be required either in arrival or departure (presumably arrival).

Although there are lifts, I'd have expected a system giving better throughflow of passengers would have been adopted.

David_itl · Wed Feb 21, 2018 7:03 am

Stornoway is going to 2 weekly by Loganair with Wednesday services introduced.

https://bdaily.co.uk/articles/2018/02/20/scottish-carrier-loganair-increases-links-between-manchester-and-western-isles

GBNWB · Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:06 am

Terminal 3 is becoming a bit of an embarrassment to be honest when compared to the likes of T5 LHR. Is there a date for when's it is going to be flattened? When you arrive back at MAN from LHR and have to drag your carry on up and down a load of dirty dark and gloomy stairwells it feels like you have been transported back 20 years..

User001 · Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:07 am

DobboDobbo wrote:
TP

Seeing a few pictures of the new "pepper pots" on the new pier indicates that a staircase (rather than a slope as I'd hoped) will be required either in arrival or departure (presumably arrival).

Although there are lifts, I'd have expected a system giving better throughflow of passengers would have been adopted.

It’s the same system as used at LHR T5 so cant be that bad (although T5 use escalators and lifts so hopefully MAG won’t scrimp too much).

Liverpoola380 · Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:47 am

It would be great if it was the same as the T5 as its so easy to board and disembark. Using steps would just be moving backwards its like you are cattle.

DobboDobbo · Wed Feb 21, 2018 2:17 pm

User001 wrote:
DobboDobbo wrote:
TP

Seeing a few pictures of the new "pepper pots" on the new pier indicates that a staircase (rather than a slope as I'd hoped) will be required either in arrival or departure (presumably arrival).

Although there are lifts, I'd have expected a system giving better throughflow of passengers would have been adopted.

It’s the same system as used at LHR T5 so cant be that bad (although T5 use escalators and lifts so hopefully MAG won’t scrimp too much).

That's positive - thanks for the update.

Escalators would make a difference and allow (eg pushchairs) easy mobility down to the arrivals level. Hopefully that's the intended system, but as you say MAG may use this as an efficiency saving (which is not unreasonable for a pier likely to serve mostly short haul aircraft - pier 4 would be a different story all together...)

User001 · Wed Feb 21, 2018 8:32 pm

ELAL flights now showing in the Tel Aviv Airport timetables:

LY5195 TLV 1800 MAN 2130 Tu/Th/Su

LY5196 MAN 2235 TLV 0545+1 Tu/Su
LY5196 MAN 0005 TLV 0720+1 Th

Starts July 1st.

MancMAN · Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:07 pm

Superb news, I thought they cancelled it due security issues iirc.

sk736 · Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:51 pm

User001 wrote:
The LCY schedules are:

BA7310 LCY 1940 MAN 2040
Thursday’s

BA7337 MAN 1150 LCY 1250
BA7311 MAN 1955 LCY 2055
Sunday’s

So what are the extra schedules you referred to? This schedule is exactly the same as last Summer’s.

DobboDobbo · Wed Feb 21, 2018 11:28 pm

Ethiopian

ADD was rumoured a year or so back, which can only mean ET, and the UK country manager has now had something to say in an interview about looking beyond LHR in the UK. Although not cited in the interview, you would expect MAN to be in the thinking - expscially if they are looking outside of London, which is not specified. Link and quite below.

Q: Will Heathrow be the main focus or, given its slot constraints, is the airline planning to grow its network elsewhere?

A: Additional frequency from LHR, introduction of second UK airport or a mixture of both are options that we are currently working hard to introduce as we need to bring more capacity to the market to achieve our long-term growth ambitions in the UK market.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/29/br ... expansion/

David_itl · Thu Feb 22, 2018 6:32 am

sk736 wrote:
So what are the extra schedules you referred to? This schedule is exactly the same as last Summer’s.

This year was originally planned at 1 service each way. They've restored a 2nd Sunday service.southbound from the extra "based" aircraft.

MancMAN · Thu Feb 22, 2018 11:03 am

Just read in another place that El al cancelled again for this summer, hope they are wrong( outdated info)

DobboDobbo · Thu Feb 22, 2018 1:55 pm

MancMAN wrote:
Just read in another place that El al cancelled again for this summer, hope they are wrong( outdated info)

If this does proceed, it will have been a very cack handed process (at least based on the snippets in the public domain).

Cunard · Fri Feb 23, 2018 1:58 am

MancMAN wrote:
Just read in another place that El al cancelled again for this summer, hope they are wrong( outdated info)

ELAL haven't totally cancelled.

The original listing on the airports ACT shows the previous schedule that was initially proposed as now being cancelled, the new schedule updated by ELAL is correct and it starts on the 01 July 2018.

MancMAN · Fri Feb 23, 2018 10:09 am

That’s good to hear, thank you.

MancMAN · Fri Feb 23, 2018 6:31 pm

I have seen many pics of th tp, but this really shows the scale of it
https://twitter.com/KEY103NEWS/status/9 ... twterm%5E2

Video on twitter

DobboDobbo · Sat Feb 24, 2018 5:35 pm

MancMAN wrote:
I have seen many pics of th tp, but this really shows the scale of it
https://twitter.com/KEY103NEWS/status/9 ... twterm%5E2

Video on twitter

That is just one of four planned piers. I think this one is more likely to handle A320/B737 sized aircraft than anything else.

I think the next one planned for construction, at the opposite end of the terminal, is larger (certainly wider) and is intended to predominately handle A380, B777, A350 sized aircraft.

MancMAN · Sun Feb 25, 2018 12:28 am

Thanks , I live fairly close to man , if I were to take pics could I upload them here?

David_itl · Sun Feb 25, 2018 1:31 pm

I've found an interesting presentation from 2016 that comes straight out of MAN.

It gives the 2 hour catchment as 22 million people And of all the international passengers for the main"Northern England" airport, we find that LBA seems to be holding it's own against MAN in attracting people onto their services if they are ending up in the Leeds/North Yorrkshire are.

Regions for which MAN flights attract more than 60% of the total international passenger numbers: Cheshire (26% use LPL), Cumbria, Greater Manchester and Lancashire
From 33% to 60%: Humberside, Liverpool (37.1% use LPL), Leeds (32.2% use LBA), North Yorkshire (29.2% use LBA) and Sheffield

Gives a micro breakdown for CX HKG-MAN: £40m economic benefit per year. Breakdown of traffic: 25% business 75% leisure (now that's a shocker!) with mostly EU passengers on the route. They also have 42% market share of the Origin + Destination market (some 50.000 passengers), with the overall O+D having grown by 23% with the start of that service

And the main talking point. Enhancing rail connectivity with the airport's railway station and introducing an APD holiday should, according to the airport, allow the following

Unserved routes to become viable:
Shanghai, Tokyo, Delhi, Mumbai, Lagos, Johannesburg, Cape Town, Durban, Bangkok, Kuala Lumpur, Manila, Phuket, Colombo, Amritsar, Perth, Tampa, Maldives, Dallas, Sao Paulo, Seoul, Dhaka, Riyadh, Denver, Guangzhou

Frequency increases on the following routes
Beijing, Hong Kong, Boston, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Vancouver, Miami, Jeddah, Lahore, Las Vegas, Singapore, Miami, Toronto, Chicago, Washington

Obviously things have moved on from when that presentation was drafted.
https://mediafiles.thedms.co.uk/Publication/YK/cms/pdf/Adam%20Jupp%20slides.pdf

David_itl · Sun Feb 25, 2018 5:18 pm

The Evening News take on the 6 month update on the T2 redevelopment with a timelapse video https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/timelapse-video-shows-progress-manchester-14335733

And tomorrow's BA1396 from LHR has been cancelled. Presumably the snow effect.

DobboDobbo · Tue Feb 27, 2018 10:05 pm

David_itl wrote:
And the main talking point. Enhancing rail connectivity with the airport's railway station and introducing an APD holiday should, according to the airport, allow the following

Interesting presentation that I've not seen before. Some comments on the following - I've played around with the formatting to make it easier to follow.

Unserved routes to become viable:

Shanghai - a regular service (4/5x weekly) is likely already viable, with Air China sitting on the permissions for reasons unknown.

Guangzhou - Hainan have applied to serve this route, presumably on a 3/4x weekly seasonal basis.

Tokyo - interesting that this has appeared as ANA and JAL seem set to expand in Europe. It would be tough to see one of the big Japanese carriers operate this route, but I wonder whether VS or IAG might see a future opportunity here.

Bangkok - the third largest unserved market in the world. It's a surprise that TG, NokScoot or TCX have not jumped on it. Makes up much of the MEB's success at MAN. How might they react with a series of quick fire launches to BKK DEL and BOM...

Kuala Lumpur - previously served by MH. I find it difficult to see them return (you never know) but this may be a TCX, or IAG opportunity.

Phuket - now served on an ad hoc basis by TUi.

Seoul - an increasingly large unserved market. I'd not be surprised to see either of KE or OZ within the next 3-5 years.

Maldives - presumably at TCX or TUi possibility.

Colombo - I'm not sure Sri Lankan would be interested in MAN?

Johannesburg - possible VS route, albeit on a seasonal basis. I don't see JNB and CPT, but could see one or the other.

Cape Town - TCX are operating ad hoc services this winter, but this is another possible seasonal VS route (more likely than JNB in my view).

Durban - TCX? In any event I don't see this as likely.

Lagos - not really sure who could serve this route other than VS? It feels unlikely in any circumstance.

Manila - I find this incredibly unlikely.

Delhi - likely to be viable already, and with a range of possible carriers (VS feels the most likely) it feels unlikely that it will be unserved much longer.

Mumbai - as the third largest O&D market in Europe, it feels like a direct service cannot be far away. Jet feels the most likely at this point.

Amritsar - as AI have recently started this from BHX, I doubt the market exists for MAN as well.

Perth - this can only by QF - which would be interesting. MAN is the third largest European Kangaroo market (behind London and Paris). I would describe this as improbable but not impossible.

Tampa - feels like a VS route, particularly if VS's MAN fleet becomes all A330 and require additional rotations to Florida. TCX would be another probable operator.

Dallas - AA used to operate this, but I don't see them doing so in the near future.

Denver - this may be a winter seasonal ski route for TCX/TUi, but I don't see it going any further than this.

São Paulo - another seasonal possibility for TCX. I don't see a full service carrier on this for some years (i.e. Until Brazil meets its economic potential).

Dhaka - Biman seem intent on restarting JFK via MAN. We wait and see...

Riyadh - a route which operates (or did last year) on a seasonal basis.

Frequency increases on the following routes:

Beijing - this should stabilise at around 4x weekly in winter and daily in summer. A daily year round service is a realistic short term objective.

Hong Kong - recently a daily route, with legitimate stories that it would go up to 11x weekly within 18-24 months. Double daily is not unrealistic.

Boston - getting one carrier (likely VS) to operate this year round is a realistic objective for the next 3-5 years.

San Francisco - same as BOS, with VS the most likely airline.

Los Angeles - the key is, first, to get a "full service" carrier on the route and, second, get a year round service (most likely with that full service carrier). VS feels like the most likely option, which could tie in with Virgin Australia on the Kangaroo route.

Vancouver - a longer season by TS would be a start. It is not inconceivable that Rouge could operate this route. I don't see year round at anything other than 1/2 weekly as realistic in the short term.

Jeddah - this is already 5x weekly, and I don't see it as going anything above daily (particularly if direct routes to India take off).

Lahore - I'm not clear about the current nature of this route, but it could (in theory) draw more patronage from BHX and LBA with better transport (albeit these places have their own sustainable market).

Las Vegas - year round Vegas... what's not to love?

Singapore - there is a difference between the performance to SIN and IAH on SQ51/52. It is sensible for SQ to add more capacity on the MAN-SIN sector, but it is it not clear how (adding a terminator causes scheduling problems).

Miami - no longer served by TCX. Might VS serve MIA as part of a rejig of Florida services?

Toronto - it is realistic to seek a regular service from a full service carrier. This would almost certainly be Air Canada, who don't seem interested (other than Rouge, who are a summer seasonal). TS are offering more winter capacity, so it will be interesting to see how this performs.

Chicago - the route has degenerated significantly in the last 2/3 years, and is now a short summer seasonal route. I'd not be surprised if AA withdraw, so we might be looking at UA, or TCX as an alternative.

Washington - UA have since pulled out, so we see who might be interested in this route moving forward.

David_itl · Fri Mar 02, 2018 9:58 pm

A day of plenty of diversions in. The difference when you have staff in when we have a host of cancelled services at other airports.

Here's my list of them in order of arrival at the original destination airport.

12:00 PM BA8754 British Airways (G-LCYM) LCY
12:15 PM BA8733 British Airways E190 (G-LCYS) LCY
12:40 PM BA8492 British Airways E190 (G-LCYY) LCY
3:05 PM BA8462 British Airways E190 (G-LCYR) LCY
4:05 PM BE409 Flybe DH8D (G-PRPM) BHX
4:05 PM BA8488 British Airways E190 (G-LCYO) LCY
4:25 PM BE3204 Flybe E75S (G-FBJK) BHX
4:50 PM LS1204 Jet2 B738 (G-JZHM) BHX
5:15 PM LH956 Lufthansa A20N (D-AINI) BHX
5:20 PM BE7046 Flybe DH8D (G-ECOH) BHX
5:55 PM FR1215 Ryanair B738 (EI-FZN) BHX
5:55 PM U21497 easyJet A320 (G-EZOU) BHX
6:00 PM U27404 easyJet Europe A319 (OE-LQQ) SEN
6:25 PM BE7048 Flybe DH8D (G-PRPA) BHX
6:45 PM EK37 Emirates A388 (A6-EUB) BHX
6:50 PM ST4035 Germania B737 (D-ABLA) BHX
7:45 PM LS1202 Jet2 B738 (G-JZBE) BHX
8:25 PM MT1223 Thomas Cook A321 (G-NIKO) BHX
8:50 PM MT1623 Thomas Cook A321 (G-TCDC) BHX
9:05 PM BY7549 TUI 757 (G-OOBN) BHX

Plus an RAF C17 ZZ175 from Brize

DobboDobbo · Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:56 am

A few pieces of news.

1 - An article suggesting that T1 (or bits of it) could be saved and reused as a low cost terminal.

https://blueswandaily.com/could-manches ... -carriers/

My view on this is that MAN would be better expanding T3 to the north, over the car park parallel to runway 1. That would be a good location for a low cost terminal. I don't see how T1 could be economically modified and suspect it would be cheaper to demolish and then build afresh on the site.

2 - MAN returned to growth in February.

Up 1.3% for Feb
1,681,406 pax February 2018
27,811,759 rolling 12 month total

http://mediacentre.magairports.com/mag- ... -stansted/

3 - Primera (gulp!) seem like starting Malaga 4x weekly from Oct 24th.

tomkell92 · Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:39 pm

DobboDobbo wrote:
A few pieces of news.

1 - An article suggesting that T1 (or bits of it) could be saved and reused as a low cost terminal.

https://blueswandaily.com/could-manches ... -carriers/

My view on this is that MAN would be better expanding T3 to the north, over the car park parallel to runway 1. That would be a good location for a low cost terminal. I don't see how T1 could be economically modified and suspect it would be cheaper to demolish and then build afresh on the site.

I thought that the plan was to demolish T1, but to rebuild pier B? If that's the case, then Pier B could serve as the "low cost pier" - just like how it pretty much is doing nowadays anyway.

DobboDobbo · Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:21 pm

Yeah - demolishing the existing T1 certainly was, and I think still is, the plan. I think it remains the best plan, with terminal 2 expanded over the existing T1 site and a loco terminal 3 developed to the north of the existing terminal 3 building.

GRJGeorge · Thu Mar 15, 2018 9:05 am

DobboDobbo wrote:
David_itl wrote:
And the main talking point. Enhancing rail connectivity with the airport's railway station and introducing an APD holiday should, according to the airport, allow the following

Interesting presentation that I've not seen before. Some comments on the following - I've played around with the formatting to make it easier to follow.

Unserved routes to become viable:

Shanghai - a regular service (4/5x weekly) is likely already viable, with Air China sitting on the permissions for reasons unknown.

Guangzhou - Hainan have applied to serve this route, presumably on a 3/4x weekly seasonal basis.

Tokyo - interesting that this has appeared as ANA and JAL seem set to expand in Europe. It would be tough to see one of the big Japanese carriers operate this route, but I wonder whether VS or IAG might see a future opportunity here.

Bangkok - the third largest unserved market in the world. It's a surprise that TG, NokScoot or TCX have not jumped on it. Makes up much of the MEB's success at MAN. How might they react with a series of quick fire launches to BKK DEL and BOM...

Kuala Lumpur - previously served by MH. I find it difficult to see them return (you never know) but this may be a TCX, or IAG opportunity.

Phuket - now served on an ad hoc basis by TUi.

Seoul - an increasingly large unserved market. I'd not be surprised to see either of KE or OZ within the next 3-5 years.

Maldives - presumably at TCX or TUi possibility.

Colombo - I'm not sure Sri Lankan would be interested in MAN?

Johannesburg - possible VS route, albeit on a seasonal basis. I don't see JNB and CPT, but could see one or the other.

Cape Town - TCX are operating ad hoc services this winter, but this is another possible seasonal VS route (more likely than JNB in my view).

Durban - TCX? In any event I don't see this as likely.

Lagos - not really sure who could serve this route other than VS? It feels unlikely in any circumstance.

Manila - I find this incredibly unlikely.

Delhi - likely to be viable already, and with a range of possible carriers (VS feels the most likely) it feels unlikely that it will be unserved much longer.

Mumbai - as the third largest O&D market in Europe, it feels like a direct service cannot be far away. Jet feels the most likely at this point.

Amritsar - as AI have recently started this from BHX, I doubt the market exists for MAN as well.

Perth - this can only by QF - which would be interesting. MAN is the third largest European Kangaroo market (behind London and Paris). I would describe this as improbable but not impossible.

Tampa - feels like a VS route, particularly if VS's MAN fleet becomes all A330 and require additional rotations to Florida. TCX would be another probable operator.

Dallas - AA used to operate this, but I don't see them doing so in the near future.

Denver - this may be a winter seasonal ski route for TCX/TUi, but I don't see it going any further than this.

São Paulo - another seasonal possibility for TCX. I don't see a full service carrier on this for some years (i.e. Until Brazil meets its economic potential).

Dhaka - Biman seem intent on restarting JFK via MAN. We wait and see...

Riyadh - a route which operates (or did last year) on a seasonal basis.

Frequency increases on the following routes:

Beijing - this should stabilise at around 4x weekly in winter and daily in summer. A daily year round service is a realistic short term objective.

Hong Kong - recently a daily route, with legitimate stories that it would go up to 11x weekly within 18-24 months. Double daily is not unrealistic.

Boston - getting one carrier (likely VS) to operate this year round is a realistic objective for the next 3-5 years.

San Francisco - same as BOS, with VS the most likely airline.

Los Angeles - the key is, first, to get a "full service" carrier on the route and, second, get a year round service (most likely with that full service carrier). VS feels like the most likely option, which could tie in with Virgin Australia on the Kangaroo route.

Vancouver - a longer season by TS would be a start. It is not inconceivable that Rouge could operate this route. I don't see year round at anything other than 1/2 weekly as realistic in the short term.

Jeddah - this is already 5x weekly, and I don't see it as going anything above daily (particularly if direct routes to India take off).

Lahore - I'm not clear about the current nature of this route, but it could (in theory) draw more patronage from BHX and LBA with better transport (albeit these places have their own sustainable market).

Las Vegas - year round Vegas... what's not to love?

Singapore - there is a difference between the performance to SIN and IAH on SQ51/52. It is sensible for SQ to add more capacity on the MAN-SIN sector, but it is it not clear how (adding a terminator causes scheduling problems).

Miami - no longer served by TCX. Might VS serve MIA as part of a rejig of Florida services?

Toronto - it is realistic to seek a regular service from a full service carrier. This would almost certainly be Air Canada, who don't seem interested (other than Rouge, who are a summer seasonal). TS are offering more winter capacity, so it will be interesting to see how this performs.

Chicago - the route has degenerated significantly in the last 2/3 years, and is now a short summer seasonal route. I'd not be surprised if AA withdraw, so we might be looking at UA, or TCX as an alternative.

Washington - UA have since pulled out, so we see who might be interested in this route moving forward.

Not so sure about VS's plans for South Africa from MAN...apparently VS is to increase LHR-JNB to double-daily from October'18 (?)...so it seems they'll be focussing on that route, instead of adding another UK origin or returning to CPT
Any more info on TCX's prospects for MAN-CPT next season...nothing loaded or mentioned for either scheduled or charter...LGW-CPT is loaded
Regarding DUR, doubt any MAN operations will be before a LON service

DobboDobbo · Thu Mar 15, 2018 11:32 am

GRJGeorge wrote:
Not so sure about VS's plans for South Africa from MAN...apparently VS is to increase LHR-JNB to double-daily from October'18 (?)...so it seems they'll be focussing on that route, instead of adding another UK origin or returning to CPT
Any more info on TCX's prospects for MAN-CPT next season...nothing loaded or mentioned for either scheduled or charter...LGW-CPT is loaded
Regarding DUR, doubt any MAN operations will be before a LON service

Regarding Durban, I wholeheartedly agree and was surprised to see this in the presentation.

On VS specifically, it will be interesting to see if they fly to DEL from MAN how well this goes for them. If it works out, I could see them continue to expand non-TATL flying ex MAN. In this eventuality, I would expect South Africa to be reasonably high on the list of priorities. Whether that is JNB or CPT, I'm not sure, but suspect CPT would work better from MAN.

TCX, who knows. It may be possible to work out loads on the ad hoc CPT flights but this will inevitably be distorted by the beginning and end of season services (which will be empty).

8herveg · Thu Mar 15, 2018 12:02 pm

Do you think VS would ever consider either HKG, PVG or PEK from MAN? There's clearly a demand to China from MAN as CX has been very successful (appreciate they have lots of decent onward connections) but I would have thought there is enough O&D traffic too. VS serve HKG and PVG already from LHR so there are staff based there already too...

User001 · Thu Mar 15, 2018 12:13 pm

VS once said in a Heathrow enquiry that there was not enough demand to launch a daily HKG-MAN flight (clearly now proven wrong), so remains to be seen if that stance ever changes. As for PEK/PVG, I doubt it.

In other China news, Hainan applied in one application to serve Changsha-Heathrow from March (now announced and confirmed), PEK-EDI/DUB from June (now announced and confirmed) and CAN-MAN from December. Given 3 of the 4 routes have been announced thus far, seems to stand a good chance that CAN-MAN will finally be launched this winter (was proposed from last winter but held back.

Boeing74741R · Thu Mar 15, 2018 12:43 pm

DobboDobbo wrote:
GRJGeorge wrote:
Not so sure about VS's plans for South Africa from MAN...apparently VS is to increase LHR-JNB to double-daily from October'18 (?)...so it seems they'll be focussing on that route, instead of adding another UK origin or returning to CPT
Any more info on TCX's prospects for MAN-CPT next season...nothing loaded or mentioned for either scheduled or charter...LGW-CPT is loaded
Regarding DUR, doubt any MAN operations will be before a LON service

Regarding Durban, I wholeheartedly agree and was surprised to see this in the presentation.

On VS specifically, it will be interesting to see if they fly to DEL from MAN how well this goes for them. If it works out, I could see them continue to expand non-TATL flying ex MAN. In this eventuality, I would expect South Africa to be reasonably high on the list of priorities. Whether that is JNB or CPT, I'm not sure, but suspect CPT would work better from MAN.

I can't see any VS expansion from MAN to anywhere that isn't currently served by VS from London, but happy to be proven wrong if it does happen. I agree it'll be interesting if the DEL rumours are true.

User001 wrote:
VS once said in a Heathrow enquiry that there was not enough demand to launch a daily HKG-MAN flight (clearly now proven wrong), so remains to be seen if that stance ever changes. As for PEK/PVG, I doubt it.

Can't see MAN-PEK with VS given that they don't serve PEK at present. PVG was once rumoured. As for HKG, one advantage CX has over VS offering their own service is that they can offer connections to other countries in the Asia-Pacific region. but the O&D demand is clearly there.

DobboDobbo · Thu Mar 15, 2018 1:03 pm

Boeing74741R wrote:
I can't see any VS expansion from MAN to anywhere that isn't currently served by VS from London, but happy to be proven wrong if it does happen. I agree it'll be interesting if the DEL rumours are true.

Agreed, it makes sense to tie in to the DL operation in the US, and VS's LHR flying programme ex LHR heading east.

I'd be surprised if they stray beyond this, but I don't think it's impossible, and there are a few routes that might make sense for them from MAN (or LGW for that matter) but not LHR. CPT stokes me as one, BKK would be another.

JamesAlice · Thu Mar 15, 2018 2:03 pm

Are VS planning to operate any of the A350’s from MAN?

DobboDobbo · Thu Mar 15, 2018 2:46 pm

JamesAlice wrote:
Are VS planning to operate any of the A350’s from MAN?

In theory yes, but it depends who you believe.

Personally, I think it is unlikely.

DobboDobbo · Thu Mar 15, 2018 6:34 pm

Ethiopian?

I assume MAN would be at the forefront of any non-London UK route planning.

In a press release announcing an increase in flights between Addis Ababa and Heathrow this summer, the carrier’s UK country manager Michael Yohannes said that “this increase in capacity reinforces our commitment to widen our foot print and paves the way to possibly extend our reach to other parts of the UK in the very near future”.

https://www.businesstraveller.com/busin ... -airports/

MancMAN · Thu Mar 15, 2018 7:22 pm

Ethiopian?
Interesting development, but just like so many new long haul from man recently,( Kuwait , Shanghai , Delhi ) it is becoming very frustrating. I am glass half full as always though.
On another note re: summer runway operating hours,,,, it has been reported elsewhere that from July they will be significantly better than just been reported, which I think most found disappointing . Credit to wools(peter)

David_itl · Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:16 pm

We mustn't become too complacent in thinking we are going to get a constant stream of new long-haul. If you were to say 3 years ago that Singapore Airlines would appear to have a moderately successful 5th freedom service to Houston, Thomas Cook would be operating to Seattle and we'd have Oman Air going to Muscat,, I have a feeling you'd be led away in a straitjacket. Some of the proposed routes do appear to be taking some time to appear but that is only natural.

Given that to most people, MAN is "merely" a regional airport and with limited yield potential, the idea that we have destinations like Kuwait, Shanghai, Guangzhou, Delhi, Mumbai and Addis Ababa now with more than above average potential into become real services and not some waccy-baccy pipedream that some former members of this forum derided the MAN supporters for should indicate the standing of the airport within the airline community.

MancMAN · Thu Mar 15, 2018 9:57 pm

David, I do agree with all you say, it’s just that this last few years we have been spoilt getting all we have done. As for man or indeed Manchester as a city to be classed as a mere region is way off the mark. In my job I have been to most cities and towns in mainland uk and on leaving them to return home am always fully aware of just how big a player Manchester is. I use the city for socialising too and sometimes I am amongst a minority of English speakers in many bars, lndeed the very town I live in is now so multicultural due to schooling opportunities. In Summary my town and city are better for it, Manchester is in high demand. It makes me proud to be from here.

royroy · Fri Mar 16, 2018 7:36 am

Ethiopian have already announced they are going 10 or 11 weekly to LHR i believe

DobboDobbo · Fri Mar 16, 2018 8:28 am

royroy wrote:
Ethiopian have already announced they are going 10 or 11 weekly to LHR i believe

I think you misread this part of the above quote:

In a press release announcing an increase in flights between Addis Ababa and Heathrow this summer, the carrier’s UK country manager Michael Yohannes said that “this increase in capacity reinforces our commitment to widen our foot print and paves the way to possibly extend our reach to other parts of the UK in the very near future”.

David_itl · Sat Mar 17, 2018 8:17 am

The 2017 CAA annual statistics are out.

Some general highlights..

There are some 266 airports showing as having at least 1 passenger routing to/from MAN
There are some 222 airports showing as having at least 1 passenger routing to/from MAN on a scheduled service
There are some 111 airports showing as having no charter passengers but at least 1 scheduled service passenger
There are some 47 airports showing as having no scheduled service passengers but at least 1 charter passenger
There are some 31 airports showing with no passengers recorded compared to 2016

There is just 1 route showing with 1 million passengers... Amsterdam with 1,041,792 passengers, of which 1,041,430 were on scheduled services and 362 were on charter services.
Potentially we could see 3 routes with 1 million passengers this year as the following 2 routes are nearly there:
Dubai with 990,269 passengers (all of which were on scheduled services)
Dublin with 974,979 passengers of which 973,472 were on scheduled service and 1,507 on charter services

The route with fewest passengers was Bogota with the princely total of 1 on a scheduled service!
The route with the biggest increase in percentage terms was San Francisco which was up 23,600%
Excluding the 0 passenger routes, the route with the largest fall in percentage terms was Genoa which was down 98.27%

The route with the biggest increase in passenger numbers was Hamburg which gained 130,651 passengers.
The route with the largest fall in passenger numbers was Rygge which was down 53,785 passengers to 0. Of those recording a passenger number in 2017, the biggest loser was Istanbul which was down 40,748 passengers

In terms of scheduled services, it was Hamburg for the biggest increase and Rygge/Istanbul for the biggest losers.
In terms of charter services, the biggest increase was to Las Palmas and the biggest losers were Cancun and Hurghada (conversion of some flights to scheduled service as overall numbers increased) with Palma being the candidate for one not primarily affected by conversion of services.

DobboDobbo · Sat Mar 17, 2018 4:59 pm

David_itl wrote:
The route with the biggest increase in percentage terms was San Francisco which was up 23,600%

Interesting post, the above feels like an odd stat to cite given that SFO was new in 2017!

Perhaps indicates the largest new route by capacity? Not sure what else?

David_itl · Sat Mar 17, 2018 5:35 pm

Maybe one of Thomas Cook services to LAX ended up at SFO as the 235 passengers recorded in 2016 are down as scheduled passengers. Next was Leeds (!) then London City (so I'm ignoring those as 2016 was meant to be no services), Baghdad had 9645 passengers or up 1135% with Houston showing 60260 passengers or up 976%. It's a bit hard to isolate those routes which had additional frequency compared to 2016, 60 airports had numbers between 5% down and 5% up

David_itl · Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:38 am

Saudi to use 2 class 777s over Christmas and New Year. https://twitter.com/Airlineroute/status/975624696979845120

DobboDobbo · Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:29 am

David_itl wrote:
Maybe one of Thomas Cook services to LAX ended up at SFO as the 235 passengers recorded in 2016 are down as scheduled passengers. Next was Leeds (!) then London City (so I'm ignoring those as 2016 was meant to be no services

That seems like a sensible explanation! Very old that these things aren't weeded out by the statisticians to ensure they are comparing like with like.

David_itl wrote:
Houston showing 60260 passengers or up 976%.

This will be an interesting one to watch this year. SQ are very busy on the MAN-SIN sector, but to up the frequency there they need MAN-IAH to perform. The alternate approach is for an evening SIN-MAN-SIN terminator 4/5x weekly but that would re a major change of policy for SQ.

Danfearn77 · Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:09 am

While only hearsay, I’ve heard from someone ‘in the know’ that the IAH route seems to be doing well, and it sells well up front which is obviously important. As you state, SIN is very busy. Be nice if it went daily to start with.

FlyingColours · Mon Mar 19, 2018 12:42 pm

I've been interested in booking MAN-IAH with the intention of connecting there with UA (I know, but I don't have pets and am not a doctor so should be ok) but there doesn't seem to be a way to book the SQ & UA flights at once, it can't be because of the change in airline in the US as I can book VS to ATL and DL for the domestic leg, just seems odd given they are both in Star Alliance.

How is the potential for CPT & JNB looking given the political situation down there (which doesn't seem to be reported in the UK for some reason)?

Phil
FlyingColours

DobboDobbo · Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:53 pm

Hi Phil - have split the queries up below and hope my answers are helpful!

FlyingColours wrote:
I've been interested in booking MAN-IAH with the intention of connecting there with UA (I know, but I don't have pets and am not a doctor so should be ok) but there doesn't seem to be a way to book the SQ & UA flights at once, it can't be because of the change in airline in the US as I can book VS to ATL and DL for the domestic leg, just seems odd given they are both in Star Alliance.

Star alliance is a broad church and UA and SQ don't get along. UA offer some codeshare at IAH for SIN originating passengers, but not for MAN originating passengers (they want you to fly via EWR). UA have been asked, but have refused and that's the way life is sometimes. I think there are good connecting options to central and South America, but that's about it.

VS and DL have near seamless connections because of their JV.

FlyingColours wrote:
How is the potential for CPT & JNB looking given the political situation down there (which doesn't seem to be reported in the UK for some reason)?

I'd say reasonable, but realistically you are relying on either TCX or VS to operate. No more than a 2/3x weekly winter seasonal, but SA is very popular for British tourists right now so you never know.

rutankrd · Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:32 pm

FlyingColours wrote:
I've been interested in booking MAN-IAH with the intention of connecting there with UA (I know, but I don't have pets and am not a doctor so should be ok) but there doesn't seem to be a way to book the SQ & UA flights at once, it can't be because of the change in airline in the US as I can book VS to ATL and DL for the domestic leg, just seems odd given they are both in Star Alliance.

How is the potential for CPT & JNB looking given the political situation down there (which doesn't seem to be reported in the UK for some reason)?

Phil
FlyingColours

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