Embraer E2 Flight Testing And Production Thread - 2018

EMBSPBR · Sat Mar 24, 2018 3:49 am

First flight of first E190-E2 to be delivered to Wideroe on April 4th:

Oykie · Sat Mar 24, 2018 8:56 am

EMBSPBR wrote:
Source:http://aviationweek.com/commercial-aviation/embraer-ventures-out-box-e2-family

Embraer Ventures Out Of The Box With E2 Family

Excerpt:

Given all the changes to the aircraft, the E2 came pretty close to being an all-new design rather than just a reengined version of the first-generation E-Jets.
In that sense, Embraer’s jump was much bigger than the Boeing 737 MAX or Airbus A320neo.
And in that sense, too, the E2 is hardly a symbol of caution.

Not only is the E2 technologically a new aircraft, it marks change in other ways, too.
With it, Embraer looks to break into segments of the airline market to which it so far has not had access.
Many hopes are pinned on the E195-E2, which will enter service in 2019.
Can it become the Embraer equivalent of the Airbus A321neo—the largest family member with the lowest unit costs—and open up a new market and spur strong demand?

I read that article last night and it was very interesting read. Thank you for sharing it. Embraer claims the trip cost of the E195-E2 is 22% lower than the A320neo, and 24% lower than the 737-8MAX. I wonder how big the market will eventually be for the E195-E2. I am impressed by how much of an improvement the E2 is compared to the E1.

EMBSPBR · Sat Mar 24, 2018 3:19 pm

Some data for the 3 new models:

Nean1 · Sat Mar 24, 2018 4:46 pm

EMBSPBR wrote:
Source:http://aviationweek.com/commercial-aviation/embraer-ventures-out-box-e2-family

Embraer Ventures Out Of The Box With E2 Family

Excerpt:

Given all the changes to the aircraft, the E2 came pretty close to being an all-new design rather than just a reengined version of the first-generation E-Jets.
In that sense, Embraer’s jump was much bigger than the Boeing 737 MAX or Airbus A320neo.
And in that sense, too, the E2 is hardly a symbol of caution.

Not only is the E2 technologically a new aircraft, it marks change in other ways, too.
With it, Embraer looks to break into segments of the airline market to which it so far has not had access.
Many hopes are pinned on the E195-E2, which will enter service in 2019.
Can it become the Embraer equivalent of the Airbus A321neo—the largest family member with the lowest unit costs—and open up a new market and spur strong demand?

EMBSPBR,

I got used to Embraer announcing improvements in its products. In this report 2 things caught my attention:

- "Inside the cabin, the side walls were replaced for 1 inch of additional space on each side." That means the inner section went from 2.74 to 2.79 m.
- "The largest E2 version (195E2) is scheduled to be certified at the end of this year ..": I had already expected that Embraer would accelerate the certification by the great progress of 190E2, but so far the date was first half of 2019.

Are you aware of the changes that have been made in the cargo hold compartment? What about the height, it would also increased 1 inch over the aisle (2.00 m in E1)?

EMBSPBR · Sat Mar 24, 2018 6:36 pm

Nean1 wrote:
EMBSPBR,
I got used to Embraer announcing improvements in its products. In this report 2 things caught my attention:
- "Inside the cabin, the side walls were replaced for 1 inch of additional space on each side." That means the inner section went from 2.74 to 2.79 m.
- "The largest E2 version (195E2) is scheduled to be certified at the end of this year ..": I had already expected that Embraer would accelerate the certification by the great progress of 190E2, but so far the date was first half of 2019.
Are you aware of the changes that have been made in the cargo hold compartment? What about the height, it would also increased 1 inch over the aisle (2.00 m in E1)?

Nean,

Many other new features are "under cover" by now yet.
It´s Embraer´s practices and must be observed.
All what allowed is what the media shared already...

I´am sorry about that .... :roll:

Someone83 · Sat Mar 24, 2018 9:03 pm

EMBSPBR wrote:
First flight of first E190-E2 to be delivered to Wideroe on April 4th:

Photos from first flight can be found here

https://forum.flyprat.no/showthread.php?t=145034

EMBSPBR · Sat Mar 24, 2018 9:21 pm

Someone83 wrote:
Photos from first flight can be found here
https://forum.flyprat.no/showthread.php?t=145034

Thank you for sharing !!!!

EMBSPBR · Sat Mar 24, 2018 9:49 pm

E190-E1 wing x E190-E2 wing comparison:

lightsaber · Sun Mar 25, 2018 12:00 am

Oykie wrote:
EMBSPBR wrote:
Source:http://aviationweek.com/commercial-aviation/embraer-ventures-out-box-e2-family

Embraer Ventures Out Of The Box With E2 Family

Excerpt:

Given all the changes to the aircraft, the E2 came pretty close to being an all-new design rather than just a reengined version of the first-generation E-Jets.
In that sense, Embraer’s jump was much bigger than the Boeing 737 MAX or Airbus A320neo.
And in that sense, too, the E2 is hardly a symbol of caution.

Not only is the E2 technologically a new aircraft, it marks change in other ways, too.
With it, Embraer looks to break into segments of the airline market to which it so far has not had access.
Many hopes are pinned on the E195-E2, which will enter service in 2019.
Can it become the Embraer equivalent of the Airbus A321neo—the largest family member with the lowest unit costs—and open up a new market and spur strong demand?

I read that article last night and it was very interesting read. Thank you for sharing it. Embraer claims the trip cost of the E195-E2 is 22% lower than the A320neo, and 24% lower than the 737-8MAX. I wonder how big the market will eventually be for the E195-E2. I am impressed by how much of an improvement the E2 is compared to the E1.

Let us compare:
B6 A320 has 162 seats.
B6 E2-195 s/b 124 seats at a cost savings of 35 seats or 127 seats.

I would say that cost is better than prior estimates.
Bombardier claims the CS300 at 130 seats will match the CASM of the 162 seat NEO or a 130 seat cost for 130 seats.

So a very close competition. I reiterate the winner will have to be agressive in pricing.

The E2-195 will sell, it just needs more seed customers.

Good news on the first E2 delivery.

Nean1 · Mon Mar 26, 2018 1:16 am

EMBSPBR wrote:
Nean1 wrote:
EMBSPBR,
I got used to Embraer announcing improvements in its products. In this report 2 things caught my attention:
- "Inside the cabin, the side walls were replaced for 1 inch of additional space on each side." That means the inner section went from 2.74 to 2.79 m.
- "The largest E2 version (195E2) is scheduled to be certified at the end of this year ..": I had already expected that Embraer would accelerate the certification by the great progress of 190E2, but so far the date was first half of 2019.
Are you aware of the changes that have been made in the cargo hold compartment? What about the height, it would also increased 1 inch over the aisle (2.00 m in E1)?

Nean,

Many other new features are "under cover" by now yet.
It´s Embraer´s practices and must be observed.
All what allowed is what the media shared already...

I´am sorry about that ....

EMBSPBR,

a. Would there be the possibility of using some type of conveyor belt on the floor of the cargo hold, facilitating the removal of the luggage?

b. One point to be highlighted in comparison to the competition could be the lower environmental impact in several aspects (consumption, noise, durability, easier recycling of aluminum in relation to composite materials).

Samrnpage · Thu Mar 29, 2018 2:28 pm

Does the E2 share type certification with the E1?

EMBSPBR · Thu Mar 29, 2018 4:12 pm

Samrnpage wrote:
Does the E2 share type certification with the E1?

No, it does not.
It is a new certification.

Please refer to post #63:

"Now it´s oficial:
Source: https://embraer.com/global/en/news#/714 ... a-and-easa

https://embraer.com/global/en/news#/714 ... a-and-easa

The new Embraer commercial aircraft, the E190-E2, received the operational certification of
ANAC (National Civil Aviation Agency), FAA (Federal Aviation Administration) and EASA (Europeans Aviation Safety Agency) on Wednesday 28, 2018."

EMBSPBR · Thu Mar 29, 2018 4:22 pm

The wait will be over April 4th when we deliver the very first #E190E2 to Wideroe.
Stay tuned for updates from the delivery ceremony next week!

https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/979133770929389568

lightsaber · Thu Mar 29, 2018 6:14 pm

EMBSPBR wrote:
The wait will be over April 4th when we deliver the very first #E190E2 to Wideroe.
Stay tuned for updates from the delivery ceremony next week!

https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/979133770929389568

Good news. Also smart to avoid 4/1.

Samrnpage · Thu Mar 29, 2018 7:51 pm

EMBSPBR wrote:
Samrnpage wrote:
Does the E2 share type certification with the E1?

No, it does not.
It is a new certification.

Please refer to post #63:

"Now it´s oficial:
Source: https://embraer.com/global/en/news#/714 ... a-and-easa

https://embraer.com/global/en/news#/714 ... a-and-easa

The new Embraer commercial aircraft, the E190-E2, received the operational certification of
ANAC (National Civil Aviation Agency), FAA (Federal Aviation Administration) and EASA (Europeans Aviation Safety Agency) on Wednesday 28, 2018."

Thank you - I did search but only in the last few pages

EMBSPBR · Fri Mar 30, 2018 3:35 pm

New amazing video:

Pioneer Flights
https://youtu.be/gngt57EKX70

gatibosgru · Fri Mar 30, 2018 4:29 pm

Can't wait to see what the cabin looks like!

Does the E1 and E2 have the same windows?

EMBSPBR · Fri Mar 30, 2018 6:06 pm

Source:
https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... ewal-plans

Spirit to consider CSeries, E-Jet-E2s in fleet renewal plans

Embraer Emb 195-E2 Embraer Emb 195-E2

Excerpts:

"Spirit Airlines (NK, Fort Lauderdale Int'l) President and Chief Executive Officer Robert Fornaro says the Florida-based ultra low-cost carrier is considering both the CSeries and E-Jet E2s as part of its longterm refleeting options."

"Speaking to The Points Guy blog, the executive confirmed that as part of the review process, Spirit would look at all the available options.

"We want choice and we want competition on the manufacturer side. We’re an all-Airbus customer but we think you have to look at everything," he said adding that his own experience at AirTran Airways (FL, Atlanta Hartsfield Jackson) had taught him that operating two separate fleet types could work."

and ...

"JetBlue Airways (B6, New York JFK), itself a predominantly A320 Family operator albeit with a sizeable fleet of EMB-190s, has already considered pitches from both Bombardier (BBA, Montréal Trudeau) and Embraer (São José dos Campos) over potential replacements for its sixty EMB-190s. In January, the carrier told Reuters in a statement it was “exploring a full range of options from maintaining the current fleet to a full replacement with an alternative aircraft type.”

EMBSPBR · Fri Mar 30, 2018 6:12 pm

And more to come ...

Source:
http://www.4-traders.com/EMBRAER-649287 ... -26247638/

Royal Air Maroc sounds out Brazil over new Embraer orders

Excerpts:

"Royal Air Maroc (AT, Casablanca Int`l) is looking to add more Embraer Regional Jets to its fleet of four EMB-190s, all of which are leased from Nordic Aviation Capital."

"Royal Air Maroc has yet to publically announce its selection for a new regional jet order having considered offerings from each of Embraer, Sukhoi Civil Aircraft, and Bombardier."

EMBSPBR · Fri Mar 30, 2018 6:15 pm

And more ...

Source:
https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... raer-plans

Tajikistan's Somon Air expands on Embraer plans

Excerpts:

"Somon Air (SZ, Dushanbe) has expanded on its plans to add Embraer Regional Jet equipment to its fleet later this year."

"The carrier’s Director of Engineering and Maintenance, Bakhonur Rakhimov, told Russia's ATO.ru that the intention is to induct four EMB-190-E2s by year-end. However, no firm commitment has yet been signed."

"According to the report, Somon Air would use the aircraft to replace its older pair of B737-300s which are due to leave service later in the year."

Nean1 · Fri Mar 30, 2018 7:44 pm

YuriMG2 wrote:
E2 - bellow 1.7bi in 2018
CS - 5.4bi in 2015
MRJ - 3.2bi in 2017

Is that right? E2 seems pretty low for basically 3 new aircrafts.

The CS budget surpass 6 USD bi! One more record.

EMBSPBR · Fri Mar 30, 2018 10:15 pm

gatibosgru wrote:
Can't wait to see what the cabin looks like!

Does the E1 and E2 have the same windows?

Externally yes ...

Internally the panels were redesigned:

iceberg210 · Fri Mar 30, 2018 11:32 pm

Does anyone know if the staggered first class gains extra seats over the original version? (or how much it gains) I'm very interested in how say a US regional could configure their 175's in staggered versus unstaggered, specifically if that would make more seats in a shorter frame enabling a say 170E2 that could fit under scope with the same capacity. Be interesting to see.

EMBSPBR · Fri Mar 30, 2018 11:59 pm

iceberg210 wrote:
Does anyone know if the staggered first class gains extra seats over the original version? (or how much it gains) I'm very interested in how say a US regional could configure their 175's in staggered versus unstaggered, specifically if that would make more seats in a shorter frame enabling a say 170E2 that could fit under scope with the same capacity. Be interesting to see.

Actual:

New "staggered" (just to reminder this is an Embraer´s concept. It does not mean the airliners would / could adopt it ...):

EMBSPBR · Sat Mar 31, 2018 12:18 am

Other images:

EMBSPBR · Sat Mar 31, 2018 2:02 am

Source:
https://www.embraercommercialaviation.c ... kes-debut/

Excerpt:

"New overhead bins are about 40% larger compared to current-generation E-Jets.
Space is so generous that each passenger on the aircraft can stow his/her own standard-size carry-on bag in the bins."

Okcflyer · Sat Mar 31, 2018 2:21 am

Did E change the taper of the aft fuse to tail? It seems as if a more gentle slope than before.

I also wonder how much head room was lost in seat due to the larger bins? The slope looks to help make it look like an airy and open cabin.

I wonder how much aero and weight benefit they were able to realize the with smaller tail enabled with closed-loop FBW along with structural weight reduction with advanced load alleviation?

No doubt that Embraer’s execution of the E2 project has been stellar. I’m sure their successes will be studied by all industries.

Congrats to all! It’s a beauirful bird.

aemoreira1981 · Sat Mar 31, 2018 2:40 am

As I see it, the E190-E2 appears set, but Embraer badly needs to win the E195-E2 order for JetBlue and both Embraer and Bombardier are trying to win it. For an airline like B6, it could fill the shorter-haul Caribbean and Central American destinations out of FLL and maybe even JFK for Bermuda and some others for which the A320 is too much plane.

EMBSPBR · Sat Mar 31, 2018 2:57 pm

Source (in portuguese only, free translation):
https://www.bndes.gov.br/wps/portal/sit ... da-embraer

BNDES finances 1st export of Embraer's new family of jets

Exporting up to 15 E-190 E2 aircraft from the E-Jets E2 family to the Norwegian company Widerøe will receive support of up to $ 85 million from the Bank

Excerpts:

"The National Bank for Economic and Social Development (BNDES) approved the first export financing of Embraer's new commercial jet family.
The operation is aimed at exporting aircraft of the E190-E2 model, the first member of the E-Jets E2 family, to the Norwegian regional airline Widerøe."

"Role of BNDES - BNDES support has been an important component both to guarantee investment in innovation and to leverage exports from the aeronautical sector, a strategic industry for the country and that generates highly qualified and remunerated jobs."

EMBSPBR · Sat Mar 31, 2018 4:09 pm

Okcflyer wrote:
Did E change the taper of the aft fuse to tail? It seems as if a more gentle slope than before.
I also wonder how much head room was lost in seat due to the larger bins? The slope looks to help make it look like an airy and open cabin.
I wonder how much aero and weight benefit they were able to realize the with smaller tail enabled with closed-loop FBW along with structural weight reduction with advanced load alleviation?
No doubt that Embraer’s execution of the E2 project has been stellar. I’m sure their successes will be studied by all industries.
Congrats to all! It’s a beauirful bird.

Okclyer,

You are right. The taper aft fuse was redesigned.

In this recent article from AWST are some information about the modifications made on E2. Many of them are related to the new FBW system:

Source: http://aviationweek.com/commercial-avia ... -e2-family

Some excerpts:

- "The 1980s-era AMX fighter had only rudder and spoiler fly-by-wire; on the E1, the system covered pitch and yaw.
The first full FBW system was introduced on the Legacy 450/500. T
he KC-390 military transport aircraft was the first for which Embraer developed its own FBW software."

- "For simplicity, the FBW only has two modes (normal and direct) rather than the three used by Airbus (normal, alternate, direct). Embraer says it keeps handling characteristics similar to those of the E1, but the underlying control laws are very different.
Not only does the FBW allow better protection than the E1’s open-loop system, it also reduces oscillations in turbulence by making automatic inputs."

- "The FBW allowed Embraer to move the wings somewhat forward and the center of gravity envelope backward. The lower force needed to maneuver in turns made it possible to reduce the size of the horizontal stabilizer by 10% and not increase the vertical stabilizer, in spite of the aircraft having become larger and heavier—the E195-E2 maximum takeoff weight (MTOW) increased to 61.5 tons from 58.7 tons. The exercise reduced fuel burn by 1.5%, too. In a conventional design, the vertical stabilizer would have had to be 15% larger.
A surface forward of the vertical stabilizer and on the fuselage top is needed for stability on the E1, but not on the E2 any longer because the FBW system handles the requirement automatically."

- "While the E-195-E2’s wing is aerodynamically similar to the E190-E2’s, it has a different wingtip and some structural modifications. For all three models, the flaps are single-slotted. They were double-slotted on the E1, which made them more complex to move and maintain, and they produced more drag. The slats are used aerodynamically on the E2 more than on the E1. The engine pylon is shorter than on the E1 and no longer attached to the flaps. It is slightly bent at the end to avoid turbulence and, in combination with the flap track fairing, it is used to produce a cleaner airflow."

- "Because the center of gravity is farther aft, Embraer had to make sure enough weight remains on the front gear during taxi. The solution to both problems is a trailing-arm landing gear that both saves space and ensures enough forward weight. “It is an integrated design, but we tweaked a lot to come to an optimal solution."

Nean1 · Sun Apr 01, 2018 2:01 am

EMBSPBR wrote:
Nean1 wrote:
EMBSPBR,
I got used to Embraer announcing improvements in its products. In this report 2 things caught my attention:
- "Inside the cabin, the side walls were replaced for 1 inch of additional space on each side." That means the inner section went from 2.74 to 2.79 m.
- "The largest E2 version (195E2) is scheduled to be certified at the end of this year ..": I had already expected that Embraer would accelerate the certification by the great progress of 190E2, but so far the date was first half of 2019.
Are you aware of the changes that have been made in the cargo hold compartment? What about the height, it would also increased 1 inch over the aisle (2.00 m in E1)?

Nean,

Many other new features are "under cover" by now yet.
It´s Embraer´s practices and must be observed.
All what allowed is what the media shared already...

I´am sorry about that ....

EMBSPBR,

With the confirmation of this new internal cabin width (2.79 m or 110 in) the lateral space per passenger seems larger than the main competitor. Considering the corridor as a passage for 1 passenger:
2.79 / (4 + 1) = 0.56 cm / passenger
vs
3.28 / (5 + 1) = 0.55 with / passenger

That is, in addition to avoiding the undesirable middle seat and having the largest capacity for hand luggage (1 / passenger), the E2 will have more lateral space than the competition.

EMBSPBR · Sun Apr 01, 2018 2:12 am

Nean1 wrote:
That is, in addition to avoiding the undesirable middle seat and having the largest capacity for hand luggage (1 / passenger), the E2 will have more lateral space than the competition.

The most interesting are the writers conjectured about the middle seat, which is wider and such ...
For the vast majority of regular passengers, the middle seat is just the middle seat ...
But who am I to say the other way around, is not it ???

Nean1 · Sun Apr 01, 2018 2:35 am

EMBSPBR wrote:
Nean1 wrote:
That is, in addition to avoiding the undesirable middle seat and having the largest capacity for hand luggage (1 / passenger), the E2 will have more lateral space than the competition.

The most interesting are the writers conjectured about the middle seat, which is wider and such ...
For the vast majority of regular passengers, the middle seat is just the middle seat ...
But who am I to say the other way around, is not it ???

EMBSPBR,

The presence of the passenger in the middle, besides being inconvenient to himself, disrupts the window passenger, whose entrance and exit becames more difficult.

I think Embraer should further publicize the experience of boarding and disembarkation in the current 190/195 generation to demystify the idea that long aircraft are always very difficult in this regard.

Much of this insight comes from the experience of the B757, which in addition to being too long and carrying many passengers has the additional challenge of evacuate passengers sitting beside the window.

EMBSPBR · Sun Apr 01, 2018 4:56 pm

Nean1 wrote:
The presence of the passenger in the middle, besides being inconvenient to himself, disrupts the window passenger, whose entrance and exit becames more difficult.
I think Embraer should further publicize the experience of boarding and disembarkation in the current 190/195 generation to demystify the idea that long aircraft are always very difficult in this regard.
Much of this insight comes from the experience of the B757, which in addition to being too long and carrying many passengers has the additional challenge of evacuate passengers sitting beside the window.

Nean1,

Embraer is aware of the features and advantages of the 2 + 2 configuration.

This is one of the triumphs of marketing people, including some institutional videos:

- https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/963865277220888576
- https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/963140720608477184

Many sales campaigns are in progress, as I quote in posts 118, 119 and 120.

I'm sure as soon as the good performance numbers begin to emerge with the E190-E2 operation at Wideroe, more possible costumers will turn their eyes to the Embraer´s product.

Of course, in the case of a new model, some possible headaches may arise, including with the PW GTF engine, which has given some work to the current operators ...

YuriMG2 · Tue Apr 03, 2018 6:30 am

Somon Air started talks with Embraer for 8 190-E2 via BNDES financing.

Source: ch-aviation

r2rho · Tue Apr 03, 2018 8:39 am

The more that is revealed about the E2, the more it puts the NEO and MAX "improvements" to shame.
Embraer has managed to very smartly improve an aircraft on every possbile area (even passenger comfort!) while keeping very tight program costs and adhering to schedule. The E2, like the A350, is well under way to become a textbook case of sound program management.

- "Inside the cabin, the side walls were replaced for 1 inch of additional space on each side." That means the inner section went from 2.74 to 2.79 m.

1 inch is huge, specially on a cross-section the size of the Embraer. The E1 already offers a very comfortable cabin with 18" seats. This will only get better. I assume airlines will use the extra width for a wider aisle in economy (allowing a better turnaround of a rather long fuselage, specially when the E2-195 comes along) or better business class seating.

Someone83 · Tue Apr 03, 2018 12:53 pm

Widerøe has apparently had their acceptance flight for their first aircraft, ready for the delivery tomorrow. Some more training and testing will be done in Brazil, before it is flown to Norway next week

EMBSPBR · Tue Apr 03, 2018 3:26 pm

Someone83 wrote:
Widerøe has apparently had their acceptance flight for their first aircraft, ready for the delivery tomorrow. Some more training and testing will be done in Brazil, before it is flown to Norway next week

The acceptance flight was completed yesterday by the Wideroe team.
The representatives sent by the company closely followed the whole process from the beginning of the assembly of the first production E190-E2.
The official ceremony will be tomorrow and will be broadcast live by Embraer.

Source: (in portuguese only, free translation):
http://www.aereo.jor.br/2018/04/03/wide ... o-e190-e2/

Wideroe takes E190-E2 acceptance flight

Excerpt:

"Wideroe's Norwegians carried out the E190-E2 acceptance flight yesterday. The official aircraft delivery ceremony will take place tomorrow, April 4.

Widerøe, the largest regional airline in Scandinavia, will be the first airline in the world to receive the new E190-E2 and start services with the jet later this month. The airline has entered into a contract for up to 15 E2 family jets consisting of three firm orders for E190-E2 and the right to purchase another 12 E2 family aircraft.

The Norwegian regional carrier will receive its second aircraft in May and the third in June, according to Embraer."

Next airline:

"Air Astana of Kazakhstan is expected to be the second operator of the aircraft and will take the first of AerCap's five aircraft leased in the second half of the year."

pitbosflyer · Tue Apr 03, 2018 3:35 pm

Via Jon Ostrower on Twitter "Embraer’s E2 program chief says its staggered first class seat is in the critical design phase right now and is expected to enter service in 2019 with an undisclosed customer"

New pictures available at the link.
https://twitter.com/jonostrower/status/ ... 3971167237

zkojq · Tue Apr 03, 2018 3:39 pm

Acceptance flight landing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1P7lTTDwNfE

Any idea of the delivery route?

EMBSPBR · Tue Apr 03, 2018 3:59 pm

zkojq wrote:
Acceptance flight landing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1P7lTTDwNfE

Thanks for sharing !!!

zkojq wrote:
Any idea of the delivery route?

Maybe REC and SID ...

Nean1 · Tue Apr 03, 2018 5:36 pm

https://airwaysmag.com/industry/embraer ... t-program/

Other interesting information:

a) Operating costs: "... Comparing the E2 family with the CS100, the E190-E2 is 1% less efficient in terms of cash per seat and 7% cheaper per trip.

The E195-E2 shows an increase of 2% per trip and a saving of 10% per seat. When placed against the CS300, the E195-E2 saves 10% per trip and 3% per seat ... "

b) Maintenance: "...The E2 will have intermediate checks every 1,000 flight hours with necessary checks every 10,000 hours. This is comparable to the A320neo that has 750 flight hours for a medium examination and 7,500 flight hours for basic tests.

The 737 MAX has intermediate checks every 120 days and basic checks every 12,000 flight hours..."

c) 195E2 test program: " ...They have achieved certification status for the Static, Ground Vibration and Load Calibration tests, but now need to look at the Aerodynamics Test, Winter Ops Test as well as the Fatigue Tests before it enters commercial service..."

reidar76 · Tue Apr 03, 2018 6:06 pm

EMBSPBR wrote:
zkojq wrote:
Any idea of the delivery route?

Maybe REC and SID ...

It will be interesting to see which route they will be choosing, and if they need two or three technical stops.

If they stop at SID, they will need an additional stop in Europe (probably MAD) before reaching BGO.

My prediction: SJK - REC - LPA - BGO

Someone83 · Tue Apr 03, 2018 6:25 pm

zkojq wrote:
Acceptance flight landing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1P7lTTDwNfE

Any idea of the delivery route?

REC to LPA and then on to ABZ (not sure why it is going to ABZ) and not to BGO

reidar76 · Tue Apr 03, 2018 7:58 pm

Someone83 wrote:
zkojq wrote:
Acceptance flight landing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1P7lTTDwNfE

Any idea of the delivery route?

REC to LPA and then on to ABZ (not sure why it is going to ABZ) and not to BGO

You are absolutely right. According to a Norwegian news paper they are stopping in REC for custom clearance, a technical stop in LPA and in ABZ for equipment installation. It is not specified what kind of equipment that will be installed in ABZ. The aircraft will not reach BGO before the 12th of April.

In Norwegian only. Use Google translate:
https://www.aftenposten.no/okonomi/i/On ... ste-jetfly

The aircraft will commence commercial service on the 24th of April. For the first couple of months it will only fly domestically, and only BGO-TOS and BGO-BOO. Later the aircraft will be used to flights from BGO to Germany (HAM and MUC). My first flight on the E2 is in late May. :-)

Swiss Air operates the CS100 from ZHR to BGO regularly, so we will soon see these two new aircraft parked next to each other at BGO.

Oykie · Tue Apr 03, 2018 8:01 pm

Someone83 wrote:
zkojq wrote:
Acceptance flight landing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1P7lTTDwNfE

Any idea of the delivery route?

REC to LPA and then on to ABZ (not sure why it is going to ABZ) and not to BGO

In an article in Aftenposten, they said the stop in ABZ was to install more equipment.

Edit: Reidar76 has already mentioned what happened.

iceberg210 · Tue Apr 03, 2018 8:16 pm

EMBSPBR wrote:

Next airline:

"Air Astana of Kazakhstan is expected to be the second operator of the aircraft and will take the first of AerCap's five aircraft leased in the second half of the year."

Good news, that'll be a nice little fleet for them of 5 aircraft, and good to hear that 5 of 22 AerCap's 190E2's have homes.

Also great to hear on the staggering first class, I wonder who the launch customer is, and also I'd love to know how it compares in terms of seats per area with their standard 1-2 seating for first.

EMBSPBR · Tue Apr 03, 2018 9:55 pm

More pictures:

Nean1 · Tue Apr 03, 2018 10:22 pm

It's a Profit Hunter!

gatibosgru · Tue Apr 03, 2018 10:36 pm

Cabin looks roomy!

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