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Re: United Airlines Network Thread 2018

Fri Feb 02, 2018 5:05 pm

LAXdude1023 wrote:
And we lost LAX-TUS and IAH-BDL..,



Really going to miss TUS-LAX. Was perfect for hitting up Asia flights instead of risking SFO and ATC flow delays. I’m actually taking this flight in a couple of weeks on my way to SEA. Again easier to connect/less risk of delays
 
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Re: United Airlines Network Thread 2018

Sat Feb 03, 2018 1:54 am

SumChristianus wrote:
LAXdude1023 wrote:
And we lost LAX-TUS and IAH-BDL..,


I would have thought IAH-BDL would do well after the hurricane with insurance industry traffic.
Guess not.

An increase in BDL-DEN or BDL-ORD might be a possibility though. Reducing risk on the BDL end by shortening flight length on flights dedicated solely to BDL.


The BDL-IAH flight looks to be just a suspension until the fall. Also, UA is adding flights and or upgauging equipment on BDL-ORD/EWR and mainline is flying into EWR for first time in a while.

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Re: United Airlines Network Thread 2018

Sat Feb 03, 2018 6:28 am

A lot of the new E170's and E175's in the UAX fleet were bought by United. There is a method for the madness as Engines and Major components might also be owned, stocked and purchased by United allowing United to monitor the condition of the assets and move them to the best operating carriers in the UAX operation. Having diverse models is just another headache which adds to complexity and Expense in parts and equipment
 
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Re: United Airlines Network Thread 2018

Sat Feb 03, 2018 3:19 pm

VC10er wrote:
That is very interesting to read Jayunited! I would think that major airlines like United would have very tight relationships with the FAA and would be able to cut through the red tape quicker given their clout? Being able to fill 10 to 50 seats would add up to a lot of money on those routes.


I understand what you are saying but the reality is UA has to go through the same process as any other airline just because UA ETOPS 180 certified means nothing to the FAA. UA must demonstrate through whatever processes the FAA has in place that they can safely operate in ETOPS 240 area, and from the internal memo it seems like this will be an extremely difficult process. But I can appreciate the attention to detail and the difficulty of the process and the fact that the FAA isn't just handing out ETOPS 240 certifications because should something happen to a UA aircraft while flying an ETOPS 240 route the public can trust that because of the process UA is prepared and can get that aircraft down on the ground safely at the nearest diversion airport.

Although the memo does not give a timeframe I'm thinking UA probably would like to have ETOPS 240 certification by next winter so they won't have to proactively restrict up to 50 seats on IAH-SYD during peak travel season, and a ETOPS 240 route would help UA better optimize SFO/LAX-SIN as well.
 
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Re: United Airlines Network Thread 2018

Wed Feb 07, 2018 3:43 am

Looking at the June schedule for DEN, there are lots of 10 PM westbound departures (PDX, SEA, SAN, RNO, PHX, LAS, etc.) Some routes don't have a ~7 PM departure in the schedule so it looks like they might have started the rebanking of DEN. Feeders from the east to this bank are sparse though, I've only seen a few (MCI, ATL, DFW, COS).
Have they had this schedule before?
It seems a bit of a dilemma though between optimal utilization and optimal times and connections. If they moved the earlier westbound 11 AM departures to 9 AM it gives the opportunity for a plane to do the following two day rotation for example.
IND-DEN 7 AM
DEN-SJC 9 AM
SJC-DEN 11:30 PM
DEN-IND 3:30 PM
IND-DEN 8:20 PM
DEN-SJC 10:20 PM

Next day

SJC-DEN 6 AM
DEN-IND 10 AM
IND-DEN 3 PM
DEN-IND 6 PM (maybe)

I don't think having the last eastbound flight at ~3:30 PM is a good idea (as IND currently sees*), its a bit early but moving it later gives long connections from rebanked arrivals from the west.
Does anyone have any ideas what the planned schedule for DEN looks like? The 10 PM bank seems the only change I've noticed so far, while the first flight of the day from many east coast spokes is not until ~9 AM, something that seems pretty wasteful for aircraft utilization.

*IND last flight from DEN moves to 5:30 PM on June 7, but their schedule is still quite a cut from last year, which saw 2x daily B73H, 1x E70 last year, but no flights after 3:20 PM. In the short term I think they could do at least 1x E70, 2x 319
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Re: United Airlines Network Thread 2018

Thu Feb 08, 2018 11:02 pm

Anybody know when the next flight schedule will be released/in effect?
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Re: United Airlines Network Thread 2018

Thu Feb 08, 2018 11:04 pm

They usually push out changes each weekend, I'm not really sure though if that's the only time.
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Re: United Airlines Network Thread 2018

Fri Feb 09, 2018 1:51 am

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A major hole in UA’s network: LAX-PDX

AGREED! They once had the route with a 2x daily w/ CRJ-200 jets. They add flights to MFR and RDM, but not PDX. Seems illogical to me, but then again, there's lots more competition on LAX-PDX than there is with LAX to MFR and RDM. However, you could also say the same thing for LAX-SEA. That route is stacked tight, yet UA operates this 2x daily w/ E175 jets, and will sometimes use the B737/A320 during the peak summer months...
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Re: United Airlines Network Thread 2018

Fri Feb 09, 2018 1:58 am

Personally, I would love for UA to resume it's PDX hub (for United Express routes). UA should jump on this opportunity soon while the Horizon pilot shortage crisis is at full swing! ;)
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Re: United Airlines Network Thread 2018

Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:51 am

jayunited wrote:
Although the memo does not give a timeframe I'm thinking UA probably would like to have ETOPS 240 certification by next winter so they won't have to proactively restrict up to 50 seats on IAH-SYD during peak travel season, and a ETOPS 240 route would help UA better optimize SFO/LAX-SIN as well.


ETOPS 240 is really only for the benefit of IAH-SYD. The SIN flights generally don't even cross 180-minute ETOPS territory. It would also be favorable for IAH-AKL if UA were to pick the route up from NZ.

FA9295 wrote:
Personally, I would love for UA to resume it's PDX hub (for United Express routes). UA should jump on this opportunity soon while the Horizon pilot shortage crisis is at full swing! ;)


The PDX 'hub', at the end, was comprised of at-risk SkyWest EM2 flying. I'm not sure those markets have the volume to support 50-seat-jet service, especially to the extent it would be competing with AS Horizon.
 
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Re: United Airlines Network Thread 2018

Sun Apr 01, 2018 3:58 pm

Purely anecdotal I know, but where is UA's much trumpeted (and investor frightening) growth. Overall UA schedule is mixed, with some increases (mainline) balanced by what appears to be a large increase in CR2 flying. Maybe its just IND, because June looks reduced there (by a lot on most routes compared to past years)
June 11th 2018
IND-ORD: 5x CR2, 2x E70, 1x E75
IND-DEN: 1x E70, 1x CR7, 1x 320 (Definitely down from 2017)
IND-IAH: 2x ERJ, 1x E70, 1x E75
IND-SFO: 1x 320, 1x 739 (actually very good!)
ABQ-DEN: 1x CR2, 1x CR7, 1x A319, 1x A320, 1x 73H
CLE-DEN: 1x CR7, 2x E70, 2x 73H
CLE-ORD: 2x ERJ, 1x CR2, 1x 73G, 5x 73H (almost like the schedule on any large city to ATL on DL....)
RDU-ORD: 1x CR7, 1x E70, 1x E75, 1x 73G, 1x 739 (more 737-700s than usual seem to be showing up in the timetable)
BNA-DEN in July with 3x daily service (all RJ with the last flight of the day at 2:45 PM!)
MEM-IAH: 1x ERJ, 1x CR7, 1x E75, 2x 739 (positive but doesn't hold a candle to DL's 10x daily M88 service the same day to ATL)

Actually, maybe its not that bad, but after studying DL's timetable for awhile, UA has pretty far to go to catch up;.
Can't wait for the CS100/E190 ( plus additional E175s) to come (assuming they ever do!!!)....
Just thought it would be good to summarize some schedules I thought notable, sorry that I can't do YOY comparisons, but just thought these were interesting.
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Re: United Airlines Network Thread 2018

Sun Apr 01, 2018 4:33 pm

It sounds pedantic but I’m most unhappy to see IAH-DSM go down to a daily ERJ-145. Was hoping we’d at least get a 175 out of it.
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Re: United Airlines Network Thread 2018

Sun Apr 01, 2018 4:40 pm

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Purely anecdotal I know, but where is UA's much trumpeted (and investor frightening) growth. Overall UA schedule is mixed, with some increases (mainline) balanced by what appears to be a large increase in CR2 flying. Maybe its just IND, because June looks reduced there (by a lot on most routes compared to past years)
June 11th 2018
IND-ORD: 5x CR2, 2x E70, 1x E75
IND-DEN: 1x E70, 1x CR7, 1x 320 (Definitely down from 2017)
IND-IAH: 2x ERJ, 1x E70, 1x E75
IND-SFO: 1x 320, 1x 739 (actually very good!)
ABQ-DEN: 1x CR2, 1x CR7, 1x A319, 1x A320, 1x 73H
CLE-DEN: 1x CR7, 2x E70, 2x 73H
CLE-ORD: 2x ERJ, 1x CR2, 1x 73G, 5x 73H (almost like the schedule on any large city to ATL on DL....)
RDU-ORD: 1x CR7, 1x E70, 1x E75, 1x 73G, 1x 739 (more 737-700s than usual seem to be showing up in the timetable)
BNA-DEN in July with 3x daily service (all RJ with the last flight of the day at 2:45 PM!)
MEM-IAH: 1x ERJ, 1x CR7, 1x E75, 2x 739 (positive but doesn't hold a candle to DL's 10x daily M88 service the same day to ATL)

Actually, maybe its not that bad, but after studying DL's timetable for awhile, UA has pretty far to go to catch up;.
Can't wait for the CS100/E190 ( plus additional E175s) to come (assuming they ever do!!!)....
Just thought it would be good to summarize some schedules I thought notable, sorry that I can't do YOY comparisons, but just thought these were interesting.


From IND the only drops I see are from ORD, and slightly DEN, but later in the summer they are increasing mainline

IND-EWR is getting mainline in June and for part of Memorial Day weekend
IND-SFO is going B738+ B739 August 21st—>October 3rd and A320+739 June 6th-August 20th (Increase YOY)
IND-ORD is going 2x A319 August 21st—->October 3rd (Increase YOY)
IND-DEN is going 738 August 21st—->October 3rd
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Re: United Airlines Network Thread 2018

Sun Apr 01, 2018 6:20 pm

Like those!!!
Guess I was being too pessimistic.
Do you get these straight from the airline websites. The online timetable tools at pretty hard to work with.
IND-SFO (the evening flight) was moved pretty late. It doesn't seem like it would connect to much other than CTU, SYD, and maybe AKL.
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Re: United Airlines Network Thread 2018

Sun Apr 01, 2018 8:11 pm

This is a very interesting thread. I have some questions. Back when I was with ACA in the late 90's to early 00's Air Wisconsin flew BAE-146's out of ORD. The were the only express carrier able to fly plans over 50 seats. Here my question. I wonder if its still in their contract that they can fly planes 100 seats or less. If yes, I bet you BBD would be begging them to buy the CR10. Wow that plan with 88seats tri-class could work perfect thinner markets that need more seats than CR7 but less than a 737/319.some one should post what one would look like in UAX paint.

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Re: United Airlines Network Thread 2018

Sun Apr 01, 2018 9:59 pm

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Like those!!!
Guess I was being too pessimistic.
Do you get these straight from the airline websites. The online timetable tools at pretty hard to work with.
IND-SFO (the evening flight) was moved pretty late. It doesn't seem like it would connect to much other than CTU, SYD, and maybe AKL.


Yeah I usually get it straight from the airline websites, and the SFO-IND-SFO plane also appears to be on the ground for a while in IND so maybe the evening flight will be moved earlier.
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Re: United Airlines Network Thread 2018

Sun Apr 01, 2018 9:59 pm

Its the UA contract that matters, and I don't the pilots would allow a loophole like that to stay. BAE146s were probably seen as non threatening by the pilots due to the special operating conditions (and four engines) it entailed/was specialized for.
I feel like `100 seats should be mainline, though, but that's probably just an opinion.
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Re: United Airlines Network Thread 2018

Sun Apr 01, 2018 10:54 pm

eraugrad02 wrote:
This is a very interesting thread. I have some questions. Back when I was with ACA in the late 90's to early 00's Air Wisconsin flew BAE-146's out of ORD. The were the only express carrier able to fly plans over 50 seats. Here my question. I wonder if its still in their contract that they can fly planes 100 seats or less. If yes, I bet you BBD would be begging them to buy the CR10. Wow that plan with 88seats tri-class could work perfect thinner markets that need more seats than CR7 but less than a 737/319.some one should post what one would look like in UAX paint.

Thx,
Des


No, that clause does not exist in the current UAL APLA contract. Further UAL is already at the maximum permitted number of 70 and 76 seat RJs without buying a new small narrow body aircraft for mainline or having UAL pilots fly E175s (very unlikely).

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Its the UA contract that matters, and I don't the pilots would allow a loophole like that to stay. BAE146s were probably seen as non threatening by the pilots due to the special operating conditions (and four engines) it entailed/was specialized for.
I feel like `100 seats should be mainline, though, but that's probably just an opinion.
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Re: United Airlines Network Thread 2018

Mon Apr 02, 2018 6:23 am

eraugrad02 wrote:
This is a very interesting thread. I have some questions. Back when I was with ACA in the late 90's to early 00's Air Wisconsin flew BAE-146's out of ORD. The were the only express carrier able to fly plans over 50 seats. Here my question. I wonder if its still in their contract that they can fly planes 100 seats or less. If yes, I bet you BBD would be begging them to buy the CR10. Wow that plan with 88seats tri-class could work perfect thinner markets that need more seats than CR7 but less than a 737/319.some one should post what one would look like in UAX paint.

Thx,
Des


As others have said, all that matters now is the UA mainline pilot contract. UA is already at the max with the number of 70/76 seat jets that UAX carriers can operate. Anything with more than 76 seats or heavier than 86,000 pounds must be flown by mainline pilots. I'm guessing you're talking about the CRJ-1000, which would technically be a mainline plane. It's too heavy and there would be no point to flying it in a 76 seat configuration.

Interestingly, UA is the only legacy that doesn't operate the CRJ-900, which is scope compliant. I guess UA just thought that the E175 is a far superior plane, which it certainly is from a passenger experience but perhaps not in terms of fuel efficiency.
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Re: United Airlines Network Thread 2018

Mon Apr 02, 2018 3:22 pm

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It sounds pedantic but I’m most unhappy to see IAH-DSM go down to a daily ERJ-145. Was hoping we’d at least get a 175 out of it.


As of June, it looks like IAH-DSM is a daily E75. The ER4s are FINALLY gone from IAH-MKE, IAH-RIC, and IAH-ORF, which is nice to see. Those are all E70/E75 now. There are still a few long ER4 routes like IAH-CLE and IAH-CRW, but overall there are far fewer 50-seaters than at any point in recent memory. This summer IAH will have more E70+E75 departures than any other UA hub, including ORD. Overall the hub will have ~520 daily departures, with nearly half being on mainline equipment.

Some may be pessimistic that the departure numbers aren't what they used to be when CO had IAH as their only West-of-the-Mississippi hub, but I for one am happy to see the traffic mix trending toward larger aircraft!
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Re: United Airlines Network Thread 2018

Mon Apr 02, 2018 3:37 pm

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LAXdude1023 wrote:
It sounds pedantic but I’m most unhappy to see IAH-DSM go down to a daily ERJ-145. Was hoping we’d at least get a 175 out of it.


As of June, it looks like IAH-DSM is a daily E75. The ER4s are FINALLY gone from IAH-MKE, IAH-RIC, and IAH-ORF, which is nice to see. Those are all E70/E75 now. There are still a few long ER4 routes like IAH-CLE and IAH-CRW, but overall there are far fewer 50-seaters than at any point in recent memory. This summer IAH will have more E70+E75 departures than any other UA hub, including ORD. Overall the hub will have ~520 daily departures, with nearly half being on mainline equipment.

Some may be pessimistic that the departure numbers aren't what they used to be when CO had IAH as their only West-of-the-Mississippi hub, but I for one am happy to see the traffic mix trending toward larger aircraft!

CRP, STL, ELPand some other markets are also getting mainline equipment, which these markets haven’t seen a a while, starting in June 7th I believe. These changes should bolster mainline out of IAH.
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Re: United Airlines Network Thread 2018

Mon Apr 02, 2018 4:07 pm

FSDan wrote:
There are still a few long ER4 routes like IAH-CLE


A perennial head scratcher.

FSDan wrote:
Some may be pessimistic that the departure numbers aren't what they used to be when CO had IAH as their only West-of-the-Mississippi hub, but I for one am happy to see the traffic mix trending toward larger aircraft!


Agree. UA's seat capacity at IAH dropped to a 10-year historic low in 2017. Capacity increases began again in 2018 and for the 12-months ending June 30 they are up 3.5%. Hopefully it continues.
 
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Re: United Airlines Network Thread 2018

Mon Apr 02, 2018 4:20 pm

Rdh3e wrote:
jetskipper wrote:
Where do you see ORD-DLH going mainline? They are currently using 3 50-seat RJs a day, that’s quite an increase in lift.

In March the overnight becomes mainline, you can find it on United.com.


UAL is doing Aircraft maintenance checks up in DLH and flying mainline equipment up there. IT makes perfect sense to open a station there.
 
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Mon Apr 02, 2018 5:13 pm

As of June 11th I see the following which are quite good offerings:
IAH-CRP 4x E75, 1x 73G
IAH-MFE 4x E75, 1x 73G, 1x 320
IAH-ATL 1x CR7, 1x E70, 4x E75, 1x 320
IAH-ELP 1x ERJ, 2x E75, 1x 73G, 1x 739
IAH-JAX 3x E75, 1x 73H
IAH-CHS 2x E75, 1x 319
ORD-BUF 2x E70, 2x E75, 1x 320, 1x 73H
ORD-ORF 1x CRJ, 1x CR7, 1x 73G, 1x 739
ORD-DFW 2x 73G, 2x 319, 2x 320, 2x 739
ORD-ATL 5x CR7, 1x 319, 1x 320
ORD-PHL 1x CR7, 1x 73G, 1x 319, 1x 320, 1x 73H, 1x 739
ORD-CHS 2x 73G, 2x 319 (Wow! This was 3x ERJ/CRJ in February and AA/F9 have entered. Big capacity jump!)
SFO-ACV 4x E75

Just a few routes I've picked through...
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Re: United Airlines Network Thread 2018

Sun Apr 08, 2018 3:14 am

And then I saw this posted!
Thanks FsDan!

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ericm2031 wrote:
I'm not sure if this was loaded in this schedule release, but noticed a ton of UA upgauges in CA for June...many on routes that were exclusively CRJ200 routes not too long ago and some still are right now. I think this is the first UAX E75 service for MRY, SBP, RDD

SFO-RDD 1 E75, 3 CRJ
SFO-SMF 1 mainline, 2 E75, 1 CR7, 1 CRJ
SBP-SFO 3 E75, 1 CRJ
SBP-LAX 1 E75, 3 CRJ
SBP-DEN 1 CR7, 1 CRJ
ONT-SFO 1 mainline, 3 E75, 2 CRJ
MRY-LAX 1 E75, 3 CRJ
MRY-SFO 2 E75, 1 CRJ

Also, newly announced LAX-RDM has been upgauged from CRJ to E75

And then on an unrelated note, 1x mainline is added for MAF/CRP-IAH in June...not sure when that was loaded


UA finalized their June schedules about two weeks ago (I've been watching closely over the past month or two), and there are lots of cool upgauges throughout the system. I think the following mainline additions are noteworthy (some may have been this way for a little while or are seasonal resumptions, but they stuck out in my mind as routes that have very recently been all or mostly RJs):

SFO-YYC (2x mainline)
SFO-BZN (1x mainline)
SFO-FAT (1x mainline)
SFO-BUR (1x mainline)
SFO-ONT (1x mainline)
LAX-DFW (1x mainline)
DEN-YYZ (1x mainline)
DEN-EUG (1x mainline)
DEN-MFR (1x mainline)
DEN-FCA (2x mainline)
DEN-MSO (2x mainline)
DEN-BUR (1x mainline)
DEN-CLT (2x mainline)
DEN-RIC (2x mainline)
DEN-ORF (1x mainline)
IAH-YYZ (1x mainline)
IAH-ELP (2x mainline)
IAH-MAF (1x mainline)
IAH-CRP (1x mainline)
IAH-OMA (1x mainline)
IAH-STL (2x mainline)
IAH-JAX (1x mainline)
IAH-CLT (1x mainline)
IAH-RDU (1x mainline)
ORD-GEG (1x mainline)
ORD-FCA (1x mainline)
ORD-RNO (1x mainline)
ORD-OKC (1x mainline)
ORD-DLH (1x mainline)
ORD-SAV (1x mainline)
ORD-CHS (4x mainline)
ORD-ORF (2x mainline)
ORD-BTV (1x mainline)
IAD-SAT (2x mainline)
IAD-CLE (1x mainline)
IAD-ORF (2x mainline)
IAD-PIT (1x mainline)
IAD-PHL (1x mainline)
IAD-EWR (4x mainline)
IAD-PWM (2x mainline)
EWR-BZN (1x mainline)
EWR-TYS (1x mainline)
EWR-SAV (2x mainline)
EWR-CHS (2x mainline)
EWR-MYR (1x mainline)
EWR-AVL (1x mainline)
EWR-IAD (3x mainline)
EWR-PIT (1x mainline)
EWR-ROC (1x mainline)

Along with these additions, there are some markets that have traditionally seen mainline service that are losing it (DEN-FSD and ORD-DSM jump to mind), and there are several important routes that don't see any mainline, including DEN-MCI, IAH-DTW, IAH-ATL, ORD-STL, ORD-IND, ORD-DTW, and ORD-CVG. Some other important markets move to all mainline service (LAX-LAS, ORD-DFW, EWR-ATL), which is nice to see. The following large airports (>100 scheduled daily departures) are completely devoid of 50-seaters in the June schedule: SEA, PDX, SJC, SNA, LAS, PHX, SAT, AUS, DFW, MSP, MSY, DTW, CVG, MIA, FLL, TPA, MCO, ATL, CLT, RDU, PIT, and PHL. MKE is the only large airport UA flies to that sees no mainline service in June.


Lots of mainline. Some I think have existed before, but IAD-PWM, EWR-MYR, IAH-CRP, etc, strike me as very aggressive and new.

Thanks for taking the time to compile this.

It seems that with the exception of SFO, IND is missing out, with IAH down to 4x daily, 2x E70, 2x ERJ at some point, October, I believe, and DEN down to only 1x mainline.

Does anyone know when the DEN rebanking is supposed to start?
I think 8am, 11:30 am, 3 pm, 7 pm, 10 pm for westbound; 8 am, 10 am, 3 pm, 6 pm, 8ish pm for eastbound would be a good long term goa for UA there. east-west hub scheduling seems like it would be harder than north-south scheduling, dealing with the time zone changes reduces flight time options.
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Re: United Airlines Network Thread 2018

Sun Apr 08, 2018 2:11 pm

Some DEN -east flights are moving later, RDU, CMH, and DTW see their evening flight near 6:30 PM on July 30th.
On IND-DEN, the A319 was moved from a 3:50 PM to a ~5 PM departure, better meeting the 7 PM westbound bank.
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Re: United Airlines Network Thread 2018

Sun Apr 08, 2018 3:23 pm

Not sure if it’s been mentioned here yet but IAH-AMA is temporarily going to 2x E175 / 1x E145 in May.
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Re: United Airlines Network Thread 2018

Sun Apr 08, 2018 3:28 pm

Tomorrow UA starts a number of new regional routes:

DEN-JAX
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Re: United Airlines December 2017 Domestic Mainline Load Factors

Sun Apr 08, 2018 4:31 pm

Here are mainline only domestic load factors for United (December 2017 only) by station and route.
Once again SJU did surprisingly well. but many of the new mainline additions, SMF-SFO, MSN-DEN, etc, have been underwhelming. ALB-ORD
Origin ... Destination ... Load Factor
SJU … … 95.8%
… IAD … 97.7%
… ORD … 96.0%
… EWR … 95.6%
… IAH … 95.3%
ALB … … 94.5%
… ORD … 94.5%
OKC … … 93.2%
… DEN … 93.2%
BQN … … 91.4%
… EWR … 91.4%
PDX … … 91.4%
… IAH … 95.4%
… DEN … 92.9%
… ORD … 92.7%
… EWR … 91.1%
… IAD … 90.1%
… SFO … 88.8%
BWI … … 91.0%
… DEN … 94.6%
… ORD … 93.8%
… IAH … 89.9%
… LAX … 89.3%
… SFO … 83.9%
BTV … … 90.9%
… ORD … 93.1%
… EWR … 87.5%
ANC … … 90.6%
… SFO … 95.3%
… ORD … 92.3%
… DEN … 88.7%
MCO … … 90.1%
… DEN … 94.1%
… IAD … 91.7%
… IAH … 90.5%
… EWR … 90.0%
… SFO … 90.0%
… LAX … 89.0%
… ORD … 87.6%
… CLE … 85.5%
ONT … … 89.3%
… DEN … 89.3%
LGA … … 89.1%
… DEN … 90.7%
… ORD … 90.5%
… IAH … 85.6%
OMA … … 88.6%
… DEN … 88.6%
… ORD … 88.4%
SEA … … 88.4%
… IAH … 91.6%
… DEN … 88.7%
… EWR … 88.6%
… IAD … 88.4%
… SFO … 87.0%
… ORD … 86.9%
CMH … … 88.2%
… ORD … 88.8%
… DEN … 87.5%
BOI … … 87.8%
… DEN … 87.8%
LAX … … 86.5%
… BWI … 96.4%
… IAH … 95.2%
… CLE … 94.6%
… ORD … 94.6%
… MCO … 93.9%
… DEN … 91.0%
… DFW … 90.6%
… EWR … 90.1%
… HNL … 83.7%
… IAD … 83.4%
… BOS … 82.7%
… SFO … 80.8%
… LAS … 77.4%
… LIH … 76.3%
… KOA … 75.1%
… OGG … 73.3%
… ITO … 65.0%
… PHX … 62.7%
… AUS … 53.3%
… SAN … 43.8%
FLL … … 86.5%
… DEN … 95.8%
… EWR … 88.5%
… IAH … 88.1%
… ORD … 84.0%
… SFO … 82.7%
… CLE … 81.3%
… IAD … 77.3%
MIA … … 86.4%
… DEN … 95.5%
… EWR … 86.6%
… IAH … 86.2%
… ORD … 84.6%
… SFO … 83.2%
BOS … … 86.2%
… DEN … 94.1%
… SFO … 90.0%
… IAH … 88.4%
… ORD … 86.4%
… EWR … 82.0%
… IAD … 81.4%
… LAX … 76.8%
MSY … … 86.2%
… DEN … 92.2%
… IAH … 88.2%
… IAD … 85.7%
… ORD … 85.6%
… SFO … 84.4%
… EWR … 80.3%
MYR … … 85.7%
… EWR … 85.7%
JAX … … 85.6%
… IAH … 85.9%
… EWR … 85.3%
ORD … … 85.5%
… SRQ … 95.4%
… LAX … 95.1%
… FLL … 94.5%
… MCO … 93.7%
… MIA … 93.4%
… SJU … 93.3%
… ALB … 93.3%
… PDX … 93.1%
… SAN … 93.1%
… RSW … 93.0%
… EWR … 92.5%
… DEN … 92.3%
… BWI … 92.2%
… PHX … 92.1%
… BZN … 92.0%
… SMF … 91.4%
… LGA … 90.2%
… SLC … 90.0%
… SEA … 89.9%
… DFW … 89.6%
… SNA … 89.6%
… IAH … 89.5%
… LAS … 89.5%
… BTV … 89.3%
… ATL … 88.3%
… MSY … 87.9%
… MSP … 87.8%
… TPA … 87.5%
… OGG … 86.5%
… SJC … 86.4%
… OMA … 85.2%
… ROC … 84.8%
… BDL … 84.6%
… JAC … 84.3%
… PHL … 83.8%
… BOS … 83.3%
… ANC … 82.5%
… SFO … 81.8%
… JAX … 81.4%
… CLE … 81.2%
… HNL … 79.0%
… MCI … 77.5%
… GRR … 77.3%
… SAT … 76.9%
… EGE … 76.9%
… CVG … 76.1%
… DTW … 75.9%
… PIT … 73.6%
… AUS … 72.5%
… IAD … 71.0%
… RIC … 70.9%
… DSM … 69.7%
… IND … 65.6%
… ORF … 65.1%
… BNA … 64.8%
… RDU … 61.2%
… DCA … 57.9%
… CLT … 57.4%
… MDT … 56.5%
… CMH … 55.2%
… CHS … 50.5%
… CID … 39.6%
DFW … … 85.2%
… LAX … 96.8%
… DEN … 92.9%
… IAD … 92.6%
… ORD … 86.9%
… IAH … 84.4%
… SFO … 84.2%
… EWR … 75.4%
ATL … … 85.0%
… DEN … 91.3%
… IAH … 89.7%
… ORD … 87.0%
… EWR … 86.6%
… SFO … 82.7%
… IAD … 74.9%
MSP … … 84.7%
… DEN … 90.9%
… ORD … 84.4%
… IAH … 66.1%
TUS … … 84.6%
… IAH … 87.0%
… DEN … 81.5%
DEN … … 84.5%
… RSW … 95.5%
… FLL … 92.7%
… MCO … 92.3%
… MIA … 91.9%
… CLT … 91.8%
… LIH … 91.6%
… TPA … 91.0%
… MSY … 90.9%
… PHL … 90.8%
… ONT … 90.7%
… IAH … 90.3%
… LGA … 90.3%
… TUS … 90.2%
… OGG … 90.1%
… LAX … 89.8%
… SNA … 89.6%
… DFW … 89.5%
… PDX … 88.9%
… DCA … 88.8%
… MSP … 88.7%
… SJC … 88.6%
… SAN … 88.6%
… BWI … 88.4%
… PHX … 88.3%
… DTW … 88.3%
… SAT … 88.0%
… OMA … 87.8%
… CLE … 87.1%
… SEA … 87.1%
… ORD … 87.0%
… RNO … 86.9%
… BOI … 86.8%
… ATL … 86.8%
… LAS … 86.0%
… IAD … 85.9%
… KOA … 85.4%
… AUS … 85.3%
… ABQ … 85.2%
… BIL … 84.7%
… SMF … 84.5%
… RDU … 84.3%
… HNL … 84.2%
… BZN … 84.2%
… GEG … 84.0%
… BOS … 83.7%
… EWR … 83.4%
… PIT … 83.2%
… ANC … 83.0%
… CMH … 81.7%
… MSN … 79.0%
… RIC … 78.7%
… MKE … 75.7%
… SFO … 75.1%
… JAC … 74.9%
… MCI … 71.9%
… BDL … 71.4%
… ICT … 68.7%
… SLC … 68.4%
… FSD … 67.9%
… CID … 67.4%
… PSP … 64.9%
… BUR … 64.5%
… MFR … 59.1%
… EGE … 55.4%
… EUG … 54.4%
… DSM … 53.2%
… TUL … 49.3%
… SBA … 43.7%
IAH … … 84.5%
… HDN … 96.2%
… SLC … 94.6%
… LAX … 94.3%
… LAS … 94.1%
… MCO … 93.5%
… BWI … 93.3%
… DEN … 92.7%
… PDX … 92.7%
… SAN … 92.4%
… SEA … 91.5%
… FLL … 91.2%
… SJU … 91.1%
… ORF … 90.5%
… EWR … 90.2%
… MIA … 89.9%
… RDU … 89.3%
… GUC … 88.7%
… PHX … 88.1%
… SMF … 87.6%
… TPA … 86.9%
… SNA … 86.7%
… MSY … 86.4%
… JAC … 86.2%
… MTJ … 86.0%
… EGE … 85.8%
… ORD … 85.1%
… BOS … 83.4%
… HNL … 83.4%
… SFO … 82.8%
… ABQ … 82.8%
… LGA … 82.7%
… BNA … 81.3%
… RSW … 81.2%
… ATL … 80.5%
… DTW … 80.2%
… CLE … 80.2%
… SJC … 79.8%
… JAX … 78.0%
… IAD … 77.7%
… TUS … 76.9%
… PBI … 74.4%
… SAT … 74.2%
… AUS … 73.6%
… DFW … 72.5%
… PHL … 71.7%
… MSP … 69.1%
… CLT … 61.6%
… DCA … 60.7%
… MFE … 56.5%
… MEM … 53.6%
… IND … 39.0%
… OKC … 38.8%
GRR … … 84.2%
… ORD … 90.5%
… DEN … 76.2%
EWR … … 84.0%
… SJU … 94.4%
… SRQ … 94.4%
… BZN … 93.0%
… JAX … 92.9%
… MCO … 92.8%
… FLL … 92.6%
… MIA … 92.5%
… IAH … 89.8%
… BQN … 89.0%
… CLT … 88.8%
… PBI … 88.7%
… JAC … 88.6%
… ORD … 88.5%
… BTV … 88.3%
… TPA … 87.9%
… PHX … 87.6%
… LAX … 87.6%
… DEN … 87.5%
… SFO … 87.4%
… SEA … 84.5%
… ATL … 84.1%
… AVL … 83.8%
… AUS … 83.3%
… PDX … 82.0%
… MSY … 80.5%
… EGE … 79.8%
… DFW … 79.3%
… RDU … 79.1%
… LAS … 78.4%
… SNA … 78.4%
… SAT … 77.9%
… SLC … 77.5%
… BOS … 77.3%
… MYR … 77.1%
… SAV … 76.5%
… IAD … 76.2%
… MCI … 75.8%
… RSW … 75.7%
… SAN … 75.5%
… HNL … 75.1%
… CHS … 74.7%
… TYS … 74.0%
… BNA … 70.7%
… PWM … 68.3%
… SMF … 68.2%
… BDL … 67.1%
… SJC … 66.4%
… ROC … 64.8%
… BUF … 64.3%
… CLE … 52.2%
… ORF … 50.3%
… MEM … 46.4%
… DCA … 34.2%
PIT … … 84.0%
… DEN … 88.5%
… ORD … 87.1%
… SFO … 69.8%
TPA … … 83.8%
… DEN … 92.5%
… IAD … 86.4%
… IAH … 83.3%
… EWR … 82.7%
… ORD … 81.4%
… SFO … 80.9%
SAN … … 83.7%
… ORD … 93.1%
… DEN … 90.3%
… IAH … 89.5%
… EWR … 80.1%
… SFO … 78.3%
… IAD … 77.2%
… LAX … 66.7%
SJC … … 83.6%
… IAH … 88.4%
… DEN … 86.8%
… ORD … 83.3%
… EWR … 74.8%
PHX … … 83.4%
… ORD … 89.7%
… EWR … 88.8%
… DEN … 87.4%
… IAH … 87.4%
… LAX … 73.2%
… IAD … 70.6%
… SFO … 69.4%
CLE … … 83.1%
… RSW … 97.4%
… LAX … 93.6%
… FLL … 93.1%
… IAH … 92.7%
… MCO … 89.7%
… DEN … 89.7%
… ORD … 81.6%
… SFO … 80.5%
… EWR … 63.7%
BIL … … 83.0%
… DEN … 83.0%
ABQ … … 82.9%
… DEN … 83.1%
… IAH … 82.5%
PHL … … 82.4%
… DEN … 95.2%
… ORD … 81.3%
… IAH … 78.8%
… SFO … 77.9%
SFO … … 82.2%
… MCO … 93.6%
… HNL … 93.0%
… SLC … 91.7%
… EWR … 89.8%
… FLL … 89.0%
… KOA … 88.6%
… OGG … 88.4%
… ANC … 88.3%
… BWI … 88.3%
… MIA … 88.2%
… RDU … 88.1%
… LIH … 88.1%
… BOS … 87.2%
… PDX … 86.2%
… SEA … 85.5%
… TPA … 85.2%
… LAX … 85.0%
… IAH … 84.8%
… ATL … 84.3%
… DCA … 83.4%
… CLE … 82.9%
… PHL … 81.9%
… ORD … 81.3%
… DFW … 81.2%
… MSY … 81.0%
… AUS … 80.7%
… SAN … 80.5%
… IAD … 80.2%
… CVG … 79.4%
… SNA … 79.3%
… DEN … 78.8%
… LAS … 76.5%
… STL … 75.4%
… BNA … 74.2%
… PHX … 73.9%
… PIT … 73.7%
… BUR … 73.5%
… RNO … 70.4%
… IND … 68.4%
… EUG … 67.8%
… DTW … 66.3%
… SMF … 63.0%
… PSP … 60.3%
… GEG … 56.2%
… MFR … 55.8%
… FAT … 55.3%
… SBA … 29.9%
RDU … … 82.1%
… DEN … 92.6%
… IAH … 86.8%
… SFO … 85.3%
… ORD … 83.6%
… IAD … 76.9%
… EWR … 76.7%
ICT … … 82.1%
… DEN … 82.1%
RIC … … 82.0%
… DEN … 88.6%
… ORD … 74.9%
IAD … … 81.9%
… MCO … 92.9%
… SJU … 92.1%
… BDL … 90.5%
… LAS … 90.1%
… DEN … 88.6%
… FLL … 87.9%
… LAX … 87.1%
… PDX … 86.6%
… SEA … 86.2%
… HNL … 85.1%
… TPA … 85.0%
… IAH … 83.6%
… EWR … 82.4%
… ORF … 81.3%
… PHX … 80.6%
… SAN … 80.3%
… BOS … 77.1%
… SFO … 75.3%
… ORD … 75.2%
… MSY … 74.0%
… SMF … 73.1%
… RDU … 72.1%
… AUS … 69.3%
… SAT … 68.0%
… DTW … 41.7%
LAS … … 81.6%
… IAH … 90.6%
… DEN … 89.5%
… ORD … 88.1%
… IAD … 87.6%
… EWR … 82.5%
… LAX … 75.5%
… SFO … 69.4%
FSD … … 81.1%
… DEN … 81.1%
SNA … … 81.0%
… ORD … 85.8%
… DEN … 85.8%
… EWR … 80.6%
… IAH … 80.1%
… SFO … 75.3%
GEG … … 80.8%
… DEN … 83.1%
… SFO … 57.9%
AUS … … 80.7%
… EWR … 89.6%
… DEN … 85.7%
… SFO … 85.5%
… IAH … 79.9%
… IAD … 74.8%
… ORD … 73.5%
… LAX … 68.6%
AVL … … 80.2%
… EWR … 80.2%
SLC … … 79.7%
… IAH … 88.1%
… ORD … 84.1%
… EWR … 76.7%
… DEN … 58.3%
ROC … … 79.7%
… EWR … 84.3%
… ORD … 77.6%
HNL … … 78.9%
… SFO … 84.4%
… IAD … 83.3%
… GUM … 79.3%
… LAX … 76.2%
… IAH … 76.1%
… DEN … 75.9%
… ORD … 74.0%
… EWR … 73.3%
DTW … … 78.8%
… DEN … 92.4%
… IAH … 84.8%
… ORD … 81.3%
… SFO … 58.7%
… IAD … 29.8%
SMF … … 78.8%
… ORD … 87.4%
… IAH … 86.6%
… IAD … 84.7%
… EWR … 73.2%
… DEN … 73.0%
… SFO … 62.3%
MKE … … 78.0%
… DEN … 78.0%
ORF … … 77.6%
… IAH … 95.0%
… ORD … 89.8%
… IAD … 84.4%
… EWR … 66.3%
SAT … … 77.6%
… DEN … 93.8%
… SFO … 87.9%
… IAH … 78.8%
… EWR … 76.8%
… ORD … 66.9%
… IAD … 62.9%
BNA … … 77.2%
… IAH … 86.1%
… SFO … 80.7%
… EWR … 67.9%
DSM … … 77.2%
… ORD … 84.6%
… DEN … 64.3%
SAV … … 76.8%
… EWR … 76.8%
BZN … … 76.5%
… ORD … 84.3%
… EWR … 78.4%
… DEN … 74.0%
EUG … … 76.4%
… DEN … 80.0%
… SFO … 75.4%
BUF … … 74.7%
… EWR … 74.7%
RSW … … 74.2%
… DEN … 93.5%
… IAH … 76.6%
… ORD … 75.7%
… EWR … 68.5%
… CLE … 62.6%
BDL … … 74.2%
… DEN … 83.5%
… IAD … 74.2%
… ORD … 70.1%
… EWR … 65.0%
TYS … … 74.2%
… EWR … 74.2%
CVG … … 74.1%
… SFO … 75.2%
… ORD … 73.0%
PBI … … 73.6%
… EWR … 74.8%
… IAH … 66.4%
MCI … … 73.6%
… EWR … 83.0%
… DEN … 77.0%
… ORD … 73.8%
… IAH … 55.3%
GUM … … 73.0%
… HNL … 73.0%
CLT … … 71.9%
… DEN … 96.2%
… EWR … 70.8%
… ORD … 69.3%
KOA … … 71.6%
… SFO … 76.2%
… LAX … 66.2%
… DEN … 64.5%
OGG … … 71.4%
… SFO … 78.2%
… DEN … 70.9%
… LAX … 67.3%
… ORD … 53.6%
MFR … … 71.1%
… DEN … 77.1%
… SFO … 68.5%
DCA … … 71.0%
… DEN … 91.6%
… SFO … 76.7%
… IAH … 69.9%
… ORD … 65.9%
LIH … … 70.8%
… SFO … 79.1%
… LAX … 65.1%
… DEN … 60.6%
SRQ … … 70.6%
… EWR … 85.5%
… ORD … 61.2%
IND … … 70.1%
… DEN … 88.3%
… ORD … 72.8%
… SFO … 68.5%
… IAH … 57.3%
RNO … … 69.4%
… DEN … 85.0%
… SFO … 55.7%
STL … … 68.4%
… SFO … 68.4%
PWM … … 68.3%
… EWR … 68.3%
CID … … 68.1%
… DEN … 73.2%
… ORD … 51.1%
CHS … … 67.2%
… EWR … 74.8%
… ORD … 55.4%
MSN … … 66.5%
… DEN … 66.5%
BUR … … 66.2%
… SFO … 71.4%
… DEN … 56.6%
MEM … … 63.7%
… IAH … 69.5%
… EWR … 56.8%
MDT … … 61.7%
… ORD … 61.7%
HDN … … 60.7%
… IAH … 60.7%
ITO … … 58.4%
… LAX … 58.4%
MFE … … 54.2%
… IAH … 54.2%
FAT … … 53.0%
… SFO … 53.0%
JAC … … 52.2%
… ORD … 56.3%
… EWR … 56.1%
… IAH … 52.8%
… DEN … 43.6%
TUL … … 51.5%
… DEN … 51.5%
PSP … … 50.9%
… DEN … 52.5%
… SFO … 48.9%
SBA … … 45.9%
… DEN … 57.3%
… SFO … 40.8%
MTJ … … 45.7%
… IAH … 45.7%
GUC … … 45.1%
… IAH … 45.1%
EGE … … 41.6%
… IAH … 60.4%
… ORD … 45.7%
… EWR … 43.4%
… DEN … 31.1%
Grand Total … … 83.4%
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Re: United Airlines December 2017 Domestic Mainline Load Factors

Sun Apr 08, 2018 8:24 pm

SumChristianus wrote:
Here are mainline only domestic load factors for United (December 2017 only) by station and route.
Once again SJU did surprisingly well. but many of the new mainline additions, SMF-SFO, MSN-DEN, etc, have been underwhelming.
SFO … … 82.2%
… EUG … 67.8%
… SMF … 63.0%
… PSP … 60.3%
… MFR … 55.8%
… FAT … 55.3%
… SBA … 29.9%


On these shorter routes from SFO, I have to wonder a couple things:

1) Does the short stage length and ability to operate / overnight an a/c in an outstation that would otherwise just sit in RON parking in SFO allow United to break even with a smaller load factor than they would on longer, "standard" routes?
2) United cancels a LOT of "Express" flights between SFO and cities like FAT, SMF, and MFR when the weather goes south in the Bay Area. Do these mainline routes "pay off" on those days by acting as "clean up" flights for passengers that are stranded when their earlier express flight cancels?
 
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Re: United Airlines Network Thread 2018

Mon Apr 09, 2018 12:25 am

I think that's why SMF and FAT at least got their SFO mainline service, as "cheaper parking", but given that they're running on essentially free aircraft time, they probably have a chance of staying around.

UA just needs to get through this transition period where some routes have seen big upgauges and some have not. Presently their network risks being unbalanced, adding SFO-SMF, or IAD-PWM mainline, for example, without corresponding seat increases on connecting routes to fill the connecting capacity, additional Florida or westbound seats from IAD, for example, to allow connecting itineraries to be sold. If UA had mainline everywhere, ala DL @ ATL, they would be easily be able to fill these flights, but at present, the limited capacity on many routes acts as a chokepoint, preventing full usage of the increased mainline service on one route, because there simply aren't any reasonably priced (yes, I believe airline's work like a bidding system internally for fare pricing) or available seats.

A 95% full (hypothetical) IAD-MCO route and nonexistent IAD-MIA, can't take many more PWM passengers, for example, leaving few itineraries for UA to sell on its 2x daily mainline PWM flights
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Re: United Airlines Network Thread 2018

Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:48 pm

One thing I noticed on a lot of the upgauges they did is that they didn't always consolidate the schedule frequency and instead would replace an RJ with mainline but would still have another RJ an hour apart, which the market couldn't absorb. I saw some routes trying to send over 200-300 seats to a hub before 8am. Some of these higher frequency commuter routes probably need to stay on RJ's to satisfy business travel need for frequency.

On an unrelated note, it seems to me a lot of OO E75 equipment in SFO this summer with less in DEN. Is there any proof of that?
 
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Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:54 pm

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One thing I noticed on a lot of the upgauges they did is that they didn't always consolidate the schedule frequency and instead would replace an RJ with mainline but would still have another RJ an hour apart, which the market couldn't absorb. I saw some routes trying to send over 200-300 seats to a hub before 8am. Some of these higher frequency commuter routes probably need to stay on RJ's to satisfy business travel need for frequency.

On an unrelated note, it seems to me a lot of OO E75 equipment in SFO this summer with less in DEN. Is there any proof of that?


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Re: United Airlines Network Thread 2018

Tue Apr 10, 2018 8:54 pm

With the economy back to 100% in the IE of Socal I would think by now ORD-ONT would be added back to the UA or AA network.

I see SWA adding inter-calfornia flights this year at ONT, About 3 weeks ago my flight on SWA 737MAX was completely full from ONT-MDW on a Wednesday.
 
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Tue Apr 10, 2018 9:58 pm

IAH-okc is 1-way and it leaves IAH very early in the morning. It's effectively a revenue repositioning flight. It turns in OKC to DEN. Hence the poor LF.
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Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:19 am

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With the economy back to 100% in the IE of Socal I would think by now ORD-ONT would be added back to the UA or AA network.

I see SWA adding inter-calfornia flights this year at ONT, About 3 weeks ago my flight on SWA 737MAX was completely full from ONT-MDW on a Wednesday.

I would love UA to restart IAHONT.. Connecting via DEN/SFO bites :biting:
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Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:01 am

What routes could UA look into out of CLE? Is CLE still considered hub?
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What routes could UA look into out of CLE? Is CLE still considered hub?


UA is still cutting back at CLE (CLE-MKE is the latest casualty). With fewer than 50 daily flights, CLE is most certainly not a hub anymore. I wouldn't get your hopes up for new routes out of CLE on UA...
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Sat May 05, 2018 5:50 pm

Anyone know what aircraft will be used on the EWR-KEF route?
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Sat May 05, 2018 5:59 pm

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Anyone know what aircraft will be used on the EWR-KEF route?


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Sun May 06, 2018 7:55 pm

I'm also wondering where all the new mainline capacity (ORD-PWM/SAV/CHS, IAD-PWM/BNA/ORF, etc.) is coming from.
Was United severely underutilizing its fleet in the past years? Are they changing their schedule (scheduling later departures like ~10 PM banks out of hubs?

It just seems like UA hasn't grown its narrowbody fleet that much in the past year or so relative to flights scheduled.

I assume the new B737 MAX 9 will replace older narrowbodies on longer haul flights, leaving the resulting freed-up 738/320/319s to shorter routes, but that hasn't happened yet.
Even acknowledging that they have about 100 more narrowbodies than UA, DL's mainline presence seems FAR higher on average.

Given United's current fleet, with the addition of 100 or so small narrowbodies, could they match DL in mainline flights? Is there something fundamentally different about United's operation compared to DL? I just wonder where DL keeps finding the capacity to launch long domestic flights (eating high amounts or aircraft time) like (SLC-CLE, SLC-PIT, BOS-LAS, CVG-PHX, SEA-IND, SEA-IAD, etc.); just those routes alone would seem to require four aircraft to operate. I know they're not pulling/scheduling planes out of thin air, but if they're able to find planes to fly that amount of capacity, what is UA doing wrong? Is it a whole ton of South American/long-haul hub to hub flights that DL doesn't have?
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Thu May 10, 2018 10:57 am

Aside from TelAviv, are there any other 77W flights regularly scheduled from EWR?
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Thu May 10, 2018 11:21 am

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Aside from TelAviv, are there any other 77W flights regularly scheduled from EWR?



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Thu May 10, 2018 12:00 pm

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Aside from TelAviv, are there any other 77W flights regularly scheduled from EWR?


Tel Aviv, Tokyo and Frankfurt.

Regarding domestic narrowbody mainline, as mentioned UA has about 225 less narrowbody mainline aircraft than AA, and 78 fewer than DL. Also UA has on average less utilization than the other two carriers. UA has 61 737-9MAX which are now starting to arrive and about 34 more used A319s from Easyjet and China Southern. I suspect there will plenty more A319s than the 34 already identified, as discussed in other threads I don't see UA going through the expense of adding the Easyjet A319s, which have different engines then their own A319s, unless the fleet was going to be substantial (more than 20).

I think adding 100 additional narrowbody mainline, plus increasing daily utilization, will get UA in a good place in terms of domestic service. Ideally they would add 88 ERJ-195E2s or CS-100s, that's the magic number and size aircraft to allow UA contractually to increase their 75 seat ERJ-175 fleet by an additional 70 aircraft.

I didn't mention the 737MAX-10 because unlike the 7379MAX and the used A319s, I think the 737MAX-10 will be used to replace some older aircraft like the A320s which in a couple of years will be hitting 30 years of service.
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Thu May 10, 2018 12:23 pm

[quote="STT757" Also UA has on average less utilization than the other two carriers.[/quote]
Got data to support that? Everything I've seen and heard indicates that due to UA having much longer average stage length on mainline the utilization is higher for UA than AA/DL.
 
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Thu May 10, 2018 1:32 pm

Thanks, I didn’t realize it was 3 77W’s! And those seem to be the right destinations for them as they are their current jewel in the crown aircraft. That said I wish the Hong Kong non-stop was a 77W. It’s not just ULH, it’s a prestigious route.

When discussing the fleet size of narrow bodies, if United ultimately closes the gap between AA and DL, 1: where are all these additional passengers coming from, and 2: will UA get all the airport slots for an incremental bump of 100+ aircraft?

I would hope that this leads to fierce competition and therefore a much improved experience for passengers!
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Thu May 10, 2018 1:54 pm

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[quote="STT757" Also UA has on average less utilization than the other two carriers.

Got data to support that? Everything I've seen and heard indicates that due to UA having much longer average stage length on mainline the utilization is higher for UA than AA/DL.[/quote]

If you look through UA's schedules in some detail, you'll notice that their average turn times are longer than what AA and DL schedule for the same aircraft types. I've mostly noticed this on the narrowbody side. Even for 50-seat RJs, you probably won't find a turn less than 30 minutes on UA while AA and DL are doing 25 minutes.
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Thu May 10, 2018 2:03 pm

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2: will UA get all the airport slots for an incremental bump of 100+ aircraft?


What slots?

None of UAs hub airports are slot constrained...DCA, LGA and JFK are the only US airports currently with slot times. With the exception being IAD all of UAs hub airports have new gates in various stages of planning/construction (some of that will benefit UA directly and some of it could if UA wants to sign leases) so gate space should not be an issue.
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Thu May 10, 2018 2:05 pm

UA can grow significantly at IAD, IAH and DEN. Most growth will happen at IAH and DEN, at least as currently planned.

United’s has been trying to improve utilization of its narrowbody fleet, which is comparatively lower than AA or DL.
 
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Thu May 10, 2018 8:09 pm

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If you look through UA's schedules in some detail, you'll notice that their average turn times are longer than what AA and DL schedule for the same aircraft types. I've mostly noticed this on the narrowbody side. Even for 50-seat RJs, you probably won't find a turn less than 30 minutes on UA while AA and DL are doing 25 minutes.

And? If UA's stage length is longer they are doing less turns per day, thus spending less time on the ground and more in the air... Turn time =/= utilization.

Average Stage Length by Carrier (May18)

Narrowbodies:
UA 1,239mi
DL 1,175
AA 1,104

Regionals:
UA 543mi
DL 479mi
AA 455mi
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