Chicago Aviation News - 2018

_AA_777_MAN · Mon Mar 26, 2018 5:28 pm

stlgph wrote:
United787 wrote:
_AA_777_MAN wrote:
Looks like LH has started A350 service today. Replacing the daily A340-600 with the A350-900 on MUC-ORD.

Is this the first A350 service to ORD? Taking this flight in September and looking forward to it?

Did Finnair bring in the 350 last year, or am I mistaken?

Finnair has not sent the A350 into ORD at all. I believe JFK was the only NA destination last year.

Planeboy17 · Mon Mar 26, 2018 5:37 pm

Hi, I’m not sure if anyone knows this but I’ve noticed that one small section of Terminal 1 has been cleaned. It’s right by the beginning of the sidewalk as you drive up. The roof has been scrubbed clean and has its actual light gray tone back. I’ve seen it for a while now and anticipated more cleaning to ensue but nothing more has happened.
Does anyone have any inside info about this.?
By the way, if they do get around to cleaning the whole terminal it will look amazing.

_AA_777_MAN · Mon Mar 26, 2018 5:41 pm

In other news this weekend we saw:

Norwegian has started LGW-ORD service with a 344 seat 787-9.

BA resumes 2x daily 744 LHR-ORD

IB resumes A340-600 MAD-ORD

AA resumes ORD-CDG, ORD-FCO both with 788

LX resumes 77W A333 mix service ZRH-ORD

There was also a one off AA A332 PHL-ORD-PHL

ILS28ORD · Mon Mar 26, 2018 8:22 pm

Here is a video from the ramp of the LH A350 arriving at ORD for the first time.

https://youtu.be/V5yfHXOoTno

ORDfan · Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:56 am

ILS28ORD wrote:
Here is a video from the ramp of the LH A350 arriving at ORD for the first time.

https://youtu.be/V5yfHXOoTno

Sweet!! Great tarmac video in general....how'd these guys get this kind of access? This is one of the better ramp videos I've seen.

Awesome find and thanks for sharing. :bigthumbsup:

ORDfan · Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:59 am

_AA_777_MAN wrote:
In other news this weekend we saw:

Norwegian has started LGW-ORD service with a 344 seat 787-9.

BA resumes 2x daily 744 LHR-ORD

IB resumes A340-600 MAD-ORD

AA resumes ORD-CDG, ORD-FCO both with 788

LX resumes 77W A333 mix service ZRH-ORD

There was also a one off AA A332 PHL-ORD-PHL

All good stuff. Welcome Norwegian.

Isn't the BA only temporary until the A380 arrives, I believe next month?

Also, isn't it a little earlier than years past for AA to resume those CDG and FCO routes? Weren't those were usually April start dates before....? Summer comes early I guess....

ADrum23 · Tue Mar 27, 2018 2:17 am

Does anyone see additional DY service coming eventually? Perhaps to CDG, AMS, OSL, CPH, etc?

jbs2886 · Tue Mar 27, 2018 3:03 am

ADrum23 wrote:
Does anyone see additional DY service coming eventually? Perhaps to CDG, AMS, OSL, CPH, etc?

I anticipate additional Norwegian service. Perhaps CDG, OSL, MAD. I wonder if DY will ever base 787s at DUB/EDI for longer flights.

HELyes · Tue Mar 27, 2018 7:52 am

_AA_777_MAN wrote:
stlgph wrote:
United787 wrote:

Is this the first A350 service to ORD? Taking this flight in September and looking forward to it?

Did Finnair bring in the 350 last year, or am I mistaken?

Finnair has not sent the A350 into ORD at all. I believe JFK was the only NA destination last year.

They have sent A350 to JFK once. Their only regular A350 destination in NA has been Puerto Vallarta in Mexico, the once a week service started this winter season. They also use A350 to the Caribbean, Havana and Puerto Plata. SFO has got a couple of A350 charters.

United787 · Tue Mar 27, 2018 2:53 pm

ILS28ORD wrote:
Here is a video from the ramp of the LH A350 arriving at ORD for the first time.

https://youtu.be/V5yfHXOoTno

Thanks for sharing. Love the A350! More so than the 787

But, I can never understand how someone can safely drive and shoot video at the same time...

_AA_777_MAN · Tue Mar 27, 2018 5:57 pm

ORDfan wrote:
All good stuff. Welcome Norwegian.

Isn't the BA only temporary until the A380 arrives, I believe next month?

Also, isn't it a little earlier than years past for AA to resume those CDG and FCO routes? Weren't those were usually April start dates before....? Summer comes early I guess....

Yes BA A380 should replace one of the 2x daily 744s for the summer season, I believe it will be flt 295.

And I honestly had the same thought about AA CDG, FCO.

_AA_777_MAN · Tue Mar 27, 2018 9:04 pm

Air New Zealand just announced Auckland--Chicago !! Flights start Nov. 30th with 787-9

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ ... story.html

yeogeo · Tue Mar 27, 2018 9:08 pm

The schedule is out for the new 789 AKL-ORD-AKL flights!

Air New Zealand's new flights to Chicago are now available at airnewzealand.com and will be available on Friday, March 30, 2018 on united.com.

The new Chicago – Auckland Northern Winter 2018 schedule from 30 November 2018 is as follows:

NZ26 (UA6728)

dep Auckland 20:10
arr Chicago 16:15
30 Nov 2018 – 8 Mar 2019
Wed, Fri, Sun

NZ26 (UA6728)

dep Auckland 20:10
arr Chicago 17:15
10 Mar 2019 – 29 Mar 2019
Wed, Fri, Sun

NZ27 (UA6727)

dep Chicago 19:10
arr Auckland 06:30+2
30 Nov 2018 – 8 Mar 2019
Wed, Fri, Sun

NZ27 (UA6727)

dep Chicago 20:10
arr Auckland 06:30+2
10 Mar 2019 – 29 Mar 2019
Wed, Fri, Sun

Flights will arrive into and depart from Terminal 5 at Chicago's O'Hare International Airport.

http://newsroom.united.com/2018-03-27-U ... d-Auckland

kordcj · Tue Mar 27, 2018 11:49 pm

It’s surprising that they (NZ) aren’t going to depart from T1. Considering this is a UA JV flight like those of NH&LH. Can a 789 fit in concourse B/C easily?

CHI2DFW · Wed Mar 28, 2018 12:34 am

Time of day. When new gates are added...

LH and NH are the “prefered” partners at ORD, but NZ and SQ are getting “cozy.”

Look for some more announcements in late 2018 to affirm the “partnership.”

jbs2886 · Wed Mar 28, 2018 12:48 am

CHI2DFW wrote:
Look for some more announcements in late 2018 to affirm the “partnership.”

Which partnership?

ADrum23 · Wed Mar 28, 2018 12:53 am

kordcj wrote:
It’s surprising that they (NZ) aren’t going to depart from T1. Considering this is a UA JV flight like those of NH&LH. Can a 789 fit in concourse B/C easily?

Yes they can fit into Concourses B/C. However, until the global terminal is finished, it makes more sense for it to depart and arrive at Terminal 5.

ORDfan · Wed Mar 28, 2018 1:07 am

_AA_777_MAN wrote:
Air New Zealand just announced Auckland--Chicago !! Flights start Nov. 30th with 787-9

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ ... story.html

Woohoo!! Awesome... a very warm welcome and thank you to the NZ folks. I'll definitely be on this flight one day, possibly next winter when it's summer down there.

Big things poppin' at ORD this year. Some very well-substantiated reports of Qantas being next, or at least, taking a good hard look. Cat's out of the bag now.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... -haul-push

_AA_777_MAN wrote:
Yes BA A380 should replace one of the 2x daily 744s for the summer season, I believe it will be flt 295.

Yep just found this...according to this site, May 4 is the date. Looks like it will be 296/297. Either way, looking forward to seeing the whale on the tarmac in Chicago.

factsonly · Wed Mar 28, 2018 3:27 pm

KLM commences B772 operation to (partly) replace long-standing B744 operations:

- 29 Mar 2018 AMS - ORD B772 PH-BQL
- 30 Mar 2018 AMS - ORD B744
- 31 Mar 2018 AMS - ORD B772
- 01 Apr 2018 AMS - ORD B772

Planeboy17 · Wed Mar 28, 2018 5:02 pm

Not sure if this has been mentioned or not but from just parusing schedules I see that AS will operate SEA 5x this summer. I’m fairly certain this will be the first time they do that. Also they will do ANC 2x. I’m not sure if that is daily though. UA will also do ANC 2x so on some days there will be 4x do ANC along with UAs 1x to FAI will make 5 a day to Alaska. Pretty cool.
Also I saw DL is putting a 738 on one of its SEA flights and SLC will have mainline on 3 of 4 flights. First time I’ve seen that in a long time. Also some 717s operating to LGA. The first time they’re putting mainline on the LGA route.
AA will have 2 738s to both ABQ and ELP. I think that’s the first time in a long time those 2 cities will be all mainline.
There’s some other nuggets like UA putting a 319 to DLH and 3 of 4 CHS flights will be mainline. Also FCA ( Kalispell) will be a 738.
I’ll keep looking to see if I can find anything else interesting.

stlgph · Wed Mar 28, 2018 6:20 pm

ORD expansion is a go.
Chicago council voted in favor 40 to 1.

http://wgntv.com/2018/03/28/ohare-airpo ... r-takeoff/

Alphazone · Wed Mar 28, 2018 7:15 pm

factsonly wrote:
KLM commences B772 operation to (partly) replace long-standing B744 operations:

- 29 Mar 2018 AMS - ORD B772 PH-BQL
- 30 Mar 2018 AMS - ORD B744
- 31 Mar 2018 AMS - ORD B772
- 01 Apr 2018 AMS - ORD B772

Wow. I remember flying B743 on AMS-ORD route on my first westbound TATL crossing.

sircygnus · Wed Mar 28, 2018 7:27 pm

Reminder, runway 15/33 will be decommissioned tomorrow. I believe the airport diagram has already been updated. Sad to see this runway go.

Planeboy17 · Wed Mar 28, 2018 8:00 pm

stlgph wrote:
ORD expansion is a go.
Chicago council voted in favor 40 to 1.

http://wgntv.com/2018/03/28/ohare-airpo ... r-takeoff/

One lonely voice of opposition.

sircygnus wrote:
Reminder, runway 15/33 will be decommissioned tomorrow. I believe the airport diagram has already been updated. Sad to see this runway go.

Many good memories of taking off on (then) 32L from T in my lifetime!

United787 · Wed Mar 28, 2018 8:00 pm

Wow, so much news! I can't believe ORD is getting flights to New Zealand, that is amazing.

And now that the City Council voted in favor, no wasted time in shutting down 15/33!

Congrats to Chicago!

yeogeo · Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:18 pm

sircygnus wrote:
Reminder, runway 15/33 will be decommissioned tomorrow. I believe the airport diagram has already been updated.

Not the FAA diagram yet, although they have now erased most of the former 14/32R and renamed the taxiway "C" (previously "U").

http://aeronav.faa.gov/d-tpp/1803/00166 ... ddest=(ORD)

yeo

ADrum23 · Wed Mar 28, 2018 10:14 pm

So when will construction start on the expansion?

jetblastdubai · Thu Mar 29, 2018 12:11 am

Planeboy17 wrote:

Many good memories of taking off on (then) 32L from T in my lifetime!

As a controller, free-rolling T10 was the ultimate position. RIP

Planeboy17 · Thu Mar 29, 2018 2:00 am

Whoops, meant to write T10

ORDfan · Thu Mar 29, 2018 2:18 am

Planeboy17 wrote:
Many good memories of taking off on (then) 32L from T in my lifetime!

sircygnus wrote:
Reminder, runway 15/33 will be decommissioned tomorrow. I believe the airport diagram has already been updated. Sad to see this runway go.

Same here, Planeboy.

I've been excited about the runway improvements over the years and look forward to the new modifications, but this is still a bit sad.

The first flight I can remember started on old 14/32R... in fact, a lot of long-haul trips originated for me on that runway. IIRC when Olympic served ORD in the 1990's, the first 747 I saw took off on 14/32R.

http://www.flychicago.com/community/pil ... fault.aspx

TWA1985 · Thu Mar 29, 2018 4:14 am

Planeboy17 wrote:
Not sure if this has been mentioned or not but from just parusing schedules I see that AS will operate SEA 5x this summer. I’m fairly certain this will be the first time they do that. Also they will do ANC 2x. I’m not sure if that is daily though. UA will also do ANC 2x so on some days there will be 4x do ANC along with UAs 1x to FAI will make 5 a day to Alaska. Pretty cool.
Also I saw DL is putting a 738 on one of its SEA flights and SLC will have mainline on 3 of 4 flights. First time I’ve seen that in a long time. Also some 717s operating to LGA. The first time they’re putting mainline on the LGA route.
AA will have 2 738s to both ABQ and ELP. I think that’s the first time in a long time those 2 cities will be all mainline.
There’s some other nuggets like UA putting a 319 to DLH and 3 of 4 CHS flights will be mainline. Also FCA ( Kalispell) will be a 738.
I’ll keep looking to see if I can find anything else interesting.

You can add one mainline flight on American to IND with a 738.

yeogeo · Thu Mar 29, 2018 2:49 pm

If anyone hasn't seen this site covering the modernization program, you may find its worth a look. The renderings are the most detailed I've seen.
http://www.flychicago.com/sites/ohare21 ... fault.aspx

yeo

yeogeo · Thu Mar 29, 2018 3:45 pm

Wondering if we're seeing remote stands on the eastern side of this image (four a/c on right-hand side), or just temporary parking?

from http://www.flychicago.com/sites/ohare21 ... _to_NE.PNG

mmahpeel · Thu Mar 29, 2018 3:50 pm

yeogeo wrote:
If anyone hasn't seen this site covering the modernization program, you may find its worth a look. The renderings are the most detailed I've seen.
http://www.flychicago.com/sites/ohare21 ... fault.aspx

yeo

Thank you yeogeo for this - it is exciting to see what is coming for ORD.

jbs2886 · Thu Mar 29, 2018 3:58 pm

yeogeo wrote:
Wondering if we're seeing remote stands on the eastern side of this image (four a/c on right-hand side), or just temporary parking?

from http://www.flychicago.com/sites/ohare21 ... _to_NE.PNG

I suspect temporary parking for int'l flights.

jcwr56 · Thu Mar 29, 2018 4:20 pm

yeogeo wrote:
Wondering if we're seeing remote stands on the eastern side of this image (four a/c on right-hand side), or just temporary parking?

from http://www.flychicago.com/sites/ohare21 ... _to_NE.PNG

Those are permanent hardstands. Actually there’s room for an A380 out there.

yeogeo · Thu Mar 29, 2018 4:30 pm

jcwr56 wrote:
Those are permanent hardstands. Actually there’s room for an A380 out there.

So they could be used for remote boarding, assuming they have the equipment (buses, etc) and space for transferring into the terminal?

yeo

georgiabill · Thu Mar 29, 2018 5:12 pm

How soon before construction starts?

United787 · Thu Mar 29, 2018 6:18 pm

yeogeo wrote:
If anyone hasn't seen this site covering the modernization program, you may find its worth a look. The renderings are the most detailed I've seen.
http://www.flychicago.com/sites/ohare21 ... fault.aspx

yeo

Thank you for sharing.

The amount of Jumbo 747s they show at T5 compared to the new T2 makes me worried that the only airlines we will see at the international T2 is UA, AA and their select core partners. Other Star Alliance and One World airlines like LX, TK, QR & AY etc. will still be at T5. If that is the case, I think it is a huge mistake

United787 · Thu Mar 29, 2018 6:24 pm

georgiabill wrote:
How soon before construction starts?

That will depend on the design. Not sure if they have hired architects yet to design the buildings or if they had to wait until the bond was issued. If they did hire architects, I bet they aren't very far into the design process. T5 could be on a different track since that has already been in the works to some degree.

ILS28ORD · Thu Mar 29, 2018 6:32 pm

United787 wrote:
yeogeo wrote:
If anyone hasn't seen this site covering the modernization program, you may find its worth a look. The renderings are the most detailed I've seen.
http://www.flychicago.com/sites/ohare21 ... fault.aspx

yeo

Thank you for sharing.

The amount of Jumbo 747s they show at T5 compared to the new T2 makes me worried that the only airlines we will see at the international T2 is UA, AA and their select core partners. Other Star Alliance and One World airlines like LX, TK, QR & AY etc. will still be at T5. If that is the case, I think it is a huge mistake

This wouldn't be a big deal if they would just connect T5 to T3 post security with an underground walkway or a two way bus for all passengers.

ual763 · Thu Mar 29, 2018 8:27 pm

United787 wrote:
yeogeo wrote:
If anyone hasn't seen this site covering the modernization program, you may find its worth a look. The renderings are the most detailed I've seen.
http://www.flychicago.com/sites/ohare21 ... fault.aspx

yeo

Thank you for sharing.

The amount of Jumbo 747s they show at T5 compared to the new T2 makes me worried that the only airlines we will see at the international T2 is UA, AA and their select core partners. Other Star Alliance and One World airlines like LX, TK, QR & AY etc. will still be at T5. If that is the case, I think it is a huge mistake

I sure hope not. I would at least hope Scandinavian and now ANZ will make it into the new T2. With that said however, the video on the new webpage did highlight the new Satellite 1 as being part of “a centralized area for international traffic”. All of Satellite 1 gates are heavy gates. Certainly United won’t be using all of those Heavy gates. Maybe this will create the capacity T2 needs to fit all SA and OW carriers in T2.

N415XJ · Thu Mar 29, 2018 8:48 pm

ILS28ORD wrote:
Here is a video from the ramp of the LH A350 arriving at ORD for the first time.

https://youtu.be/V5yfHXOoTno

Out of curiosity, what language is being spoken in the video? Polish?

yeogeo · Thu Mar 29, 2018 9:20 pm

United787 wrote:
The amount of Jumbo 747s they show at T5 compared to the new T2 makes me worried that the only airlines we will see at the international T2 is UA, AA and their select core partners. Other Star Alliance and One World airlines like LX, TK, QR & AY etc. will still be at T5. If that is the case, I think it is a huge mistake

If memory serves me, I seem recall that the new Terminal 2 (or whatever it will be called) will provide space for all international flights for both Star and Oneworld partners, with enhanced T-5 for Skyteam and unaffiliated. Perhaps someone can confirm or contradict?

I'm passing through O'Hare this afternoon and from the UA club in T-2 I have a clear view of the southern end of 15/32 where crews have barricaded it off from traffic and are preparing it, I assume, for demolition or for remarking that section for taxiway use.

Incidentally, saw my first ORD Cape Air and KL 777 after taxiing in from my first 10R landing. A good day for an O'Hare fan.

yeo

_AA_777_MAN · Thu Mar 29, 2018 9:35 pm

N415XJ wrote:
ILS28ORD wrote:
Here is a video from the ramp of the LH A350 arriving at ORD for the first time.

https://youtu.be/V5yfHXOoTno

Out of curiosity, what language is being spoken in the video? Polish?

LoL, Yes that is in fact Polish

Chugach · Thu Mar 29, 2018 11:03 pm

Planeboy17 wrote:
Not sure if this has been mentioned or not but from just parusing schedules I see that AS will operate SEA 5x this summer. I’m fairly certain this will be the first time they do that. Also they will do ANC 2x. I’m not sure if that is daily though. UA will also do ANC 2x so on some days there will be 4x do ANC along with UAs 1x to FAI will make 5 a day to Alaska. Pretty cool.
Also I saw DL is putting a 738 on one of its SEA flights and SLC will have mainline on 3 of 4 flights. First time I’ve seen that in a long time. Also some 717s operating to LGA. The first time they’re putting mainline on the LGA route.
AA will have 2 738s to both ABQ and ELP. I think that’s the first time in a long time those 2 cities will be all mainline.
There’s some other nuggets like UA putting a 319 to DLH and 3 of 4 CHS flights will be mainline. Also FCA ( Kalispell) will be a 738.
I’ll keep looking to see if I can find anything else interesting.

Fun fact...I believe ORD will be tied with PDX and MSP for the most commercial passenger flights per day to the state of Alaska of any airport in the country not named SEA, with 5 each. MSP should be DL’s 3X MSP-ANC, SY’s 1X MSP-ANC, and DL’s 1X MSP-FAI. After that it should be PDX with 5X PDX-ANC (four frequencies on AS, one on B6).

WROORD · Fri Mar 30, 2018 12:42 am

ILS28ORD wrote:
Here is a video from the ramp of the LH A350 arriving at ORD for the first time.

https://youtu.be/V5yfHXOoTno

Great video. Thank you for posting.

ADrum23 · Fri Mar 30, 2018 1:06 am

I was thinking, could ORD regain the "world's busiest" status after the implementation of the O'Hare 21 project?

william · Fri Mar 30, 2018 1:18 am

How does traffic landing on 10R cross 10L? Does the 10R traffic back track to taxiway DD like 10C?

yeogeo · Fri Mar 30, 2018 1:32 am

william wrote:
How does traffic landing on 10R cross 10L? Does the 10R traffic back track to taxiway DD like 10C?

Correct. Today we did 10R>Y>P>DD (or CC-not sure) and in to terminals. Its a long trek.

yeo

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