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JFK Diverting Flights due to shear

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 4:41 pm
by capitalflyer
EDV 3515 has diverted to IAD after missed approach at JFK. OZ 222 also missed approach as well as TAM 8102. Tower reporting gain of 20-35 knots

Re: JFK Diverting Flights due to shear

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 4:42 pm
by capitalflyer
In addition, Virgin 3N is leaking fuel on approach.

Re: JFK Diverting Flights due to shear

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 4:44 pm
by N62NA
Sounds like a busy day "at the office" there at JFK today.

Re: JFK Diverting Flights due to shear

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 4:45 pm
by ilovelamp
That and RVR is down to 600-700. Probably the main reason EDV diverted since that’s way below their mins.


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Re: JFK Diverting Flights due to shear

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 4:46 pm
by capitalflyer
capitalflyer wrote:
In addition, Virgin 3N is leaking fuel on approach.


Landed uneventfully

Re: JFK Diverting Flights due to shear

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 4:51 pm
by capitalflyer
capitalflyer wrote:
EDV 3515 has diverted to IAD after missed approach at JFK. OZ 222 also missed approach as well as TAM 8102. Tower reporting gain of 20-35 knots


OZ 222 trying again. And in.

Issue is also RVR - Runway Visual Range. Only around 1000 feet and when combined with shear below threshold for some.

Re: JFK Diverting Flights due to shear

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 4:53 pm
by capitalflyer
capitalflyer wrote:
EDV 3515 has diverted to IAD after missed approach at JFK. OZ 222 also missed approach as well as TAM 8102. Tower reporting gain of 20-35 knots


It appears TAM 8102 has diverted to IAD as well.

Re: JFK Diverting Flights due to shear

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:19 pm
by capitalflyer
CX830 just missed approach, going around for 2nd attempt.

Re: JFK Diverting Flights due to shear

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:20 pm
by capitalflyer
AF022 missed approach, going around for 2nd attempt.

Re: JFK Diverting Flights due to shear

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:26 pm
by flyguy84
KAL081 going missed, wind shear.

Re: JFK Diverting Flights due to shear

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:31 pm
by CapitalAvGeek
CX830 diverting to IAD

Re: JFK Diverting Flights due to shear

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:31 pm
by capitalflyer
B6 717 going around, as well as AA67, SU100, KE081, ...

Re: JFK Diverting Flights due to shear

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:33 pm
by Atlwarrior
Yikes delays over 2 hours now.

Re: JFK Diverting Flights due to shear

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:34 pm
by capitalflyer
B6 717 is headed back to BOS (oh boy), and CX830 looks like it is headed to IAD.

Re: JFK Diverting Flights due to shear

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:38 pm
by CapitalAvGeek
Now MU587 is diverting to IAD after only a couple of circles.

Re: JFK Diverting Flights due to shear

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:42 pm
by capitalflyer
JFK has had a bad January to say the least.

Re: JFK Diverting Flights due to shear

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:48 pm
by Atlwarrior
KAL 081 should just go to ATL, it appears to keep circling.

Re: JFK Diverting Flights due to shear

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:51 pm
by readytotaxi
WN1555 must have done 10 laps above ISP now diverting IAD. Going back further than where they started from. :(

Re: JFK Diverting Flights due to shear

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:58 pm
by aemoreira1981
I should also note that JFK is inundated with fog and rain, leaving only the 22s as available for use with winds from the south.

AF22, SU100, and KE81 all landed on their second attempts after circling.

In another hour, the airfield will completely go to pot with heavy rains, which are already battering EWR.

Re: JFK Diverting Flights due to shear

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:48 pm
by GolfBravoRomeo
BA 117 diverted to BOS an is headed back to JFK after an an hour and half on the ground.

Re: JFK Diverting Flights due to shear

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:49 pm
by devron
B6 502 also going to BOS but seems to be under control now

Re: JFK Diverting Flights due to shear

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:51 pm
by flymco753
I believe more snow is on tap for the NYC Area? Hopefully everything goes smooth than or we have a repeat of what happened last week.

Re: JFK Diverting Flights due to shear

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:55 pm
by danj555
Will the a380s have any trouble?

Re: JFK Diverting Flights due to shear

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:05 pm
by shantahan
Jetblue 26 diverted to ewr
Tpa-jfk

Re: JFK Diverting Flights due to shear

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:10 pm
by shantahan
EK201, an a380 from DXB, is on approach now

Re: JFK Diverting Flights due to shear

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:16 pm
by shantahan
AM408, B788, diverted to IAD
MEX-JFK

Re: JFK Diverting Flights due to shear

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:17 pm
by neomax
capitalflyer wrote:
JFK has had a bad January to say the least.


That is the understatement of the century, and we’re not even halfway through January!

Re: JFK Diverting Flights due to shear

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:17 pm
by Super80Fan
Where's the usual suspects saying "Jetblue should be in complete control of this"?

Re: JFK Diverting Flights due to shear

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:25 pm
by shantahan
AM414, E190, diverted to EWR
MTY-JFK

Re: JFK Diverting Flights due to shear

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:50 pm
by aemoreira1981
flymco753 wrote:
I believe more snow is on tap for the NYC Area? Hopefully everything goes smooth than or we have a repeat of what happened last week.


All rain since it's about 60 degrees. However, tomorrow night, it dips back to 15 degrees. (All temps Fahrenheit.)

At least with diversions to Newark, passengers can choose to terminate there and take the train to NYC. This also underscores the need for a new Terminal A at EWR.

Re: JFK Diverting Flights due to shear

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:51 pm
by DiamondFlyer
ilovelamp wrote:
That and RVR is down to 600-700. Probably the main reason EDV diverted since that’s way below their mins.


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As if that's an 9E problem. That's Cat 3 category level ILS. Very few regional airlines are equipped for that

Re: JFK Diverting Flights due to shear

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:54 pm
by m0ssy
Super80Fan wrote:
Where's the usual suspects saying "Jetblue should be in complete control of this"?


I'm sure if it was ATL it would all be Delta's fault too, since they control the weather down there as well. :roll: ;)

:duck:

Re: JFK Diverting Flights due to shear

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:58 pm
by ilovelamp
DiamondFlyer wrote:
ilovelamp wrote:
That and RVR is down to 600-700. Probably the main reason EDV diverted since that’s way below their mins.


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As if that's an 9E problem. That's Cat 3 category level ILS. Very few regional airlines are equipped for that


I’m well aware of that. I didn’t say they were the only one impacted by the low RVR. They were the only regional flight mentioned in the OP.

Re: JFK Diverting Flights due to shear

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 8:38 pm
by capitalflyer
AA148 just missed approach.

Re: JFK Diverting Flights due to shear

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 9:24 pm
by devron
and now B6 1528

Re: JFK Diverting Flights due to shear

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 9:30 pm
by devron
devron wrote:
B6 502 also going to BOS but seems to be under control now


B6 502 and B6 26 seem to be on the road agian from BOS and EWR

Re: JFK Diverting Flights due to shear

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 9:59 pm
by Brick
jetBlue 26 is back in a holding pattern for JFK. Was diverted to EWR earlier (scheduled routing was TPA-JFK).

Re: JFK Diverting Flights due to shear

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:14 pm
by jfklganyc
They stopped all arrivals and departures from 12-1230 ET today due to WS. Long taxi

Re: JFK Diverting Flights due to shear

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:19 pm
by Web500sjc
DiamondFlyer wrote:
ilovelamp wrote:
That and RVR is down to 600-700. Probably the main reason EDV diverted since that’s way below their mins.


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As if that's an 9E problem. That's Cat 3 category level ILS. Very few regional airlines are equipped for that



Generally CAT II and CAT III approaches are prohibited with reported wind shear.

Re: JFK Diverting Flights due to shear

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:29 pm
by richierich
jfklganyc wrote:
They stopped all arrivals and departures from 12-1230 ET today due to WS. Long taxi


If you are flying Delta mainline today from JFK, the great news is that your flight will very likely be operating. If you are flying on a DL regional today, please know that your flight was likely sacrificed to make said mainline flight operate and/or show optimal metrics. Please contact DL to rebook as, at best, your flight will be cancelled, but at worst you will be severely delayed and forced to spend hours of your time stuck inside the hell that is Terminal 2, or for the lucky few, crammed into a CRJ on the ramp.

Re: JFK Diverting Flights due to shear

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:30 pm
by zeke
I listened to the ATIS, didn’t hear LVP in force, and Wx at CAT1 minima. The b wind didn’t sound that bad, 190 18G24 with RW22L in use.

Re: JFK Diverting Flights due to shear

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:31 pm
by jfklganyc
Bingo. 15 kt xwind limitation on many types. Also limited with runway contamination.

Re: JFK Diverting Flights due to shear

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:32 pm
by zeke
It’s only 12kts crosswind on 22L with that gust value of 19G24.

Re: JFK Diverting Flights due to shear

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:45 pm
by william
jfklganyc wrote:
Bingo. 15 kt xwind limitation on many types. Also limited with runway contamination.


Why land to the south with a tail wind when they can land toward the north and still not interfere with LGA?

Re: JFK Diverting Flights due to shear

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:54 pm
by arcticcruiser
william wrote:
jfklganyc wrote:
Bingo. 15 kt xwind limitation on many types. Also limited with runway contamination.


Why land to the south with a tail wind when they can land toward the north and still not interfere with LGA?


You don't get the wind, do you? 190/18G24...

Re: JFK Diverting Flights due to shear

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:01 pm
by TOGA10
danj555 wrote:
Will the a380s have any trouble?

Why would an A380 be any different from the T7's, 747s, A320s etc etc?

Re: JFK Diverting Flights due to shear

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:03 pm
by TW870
CapitalAvGeek wrote:
Now MU587 is diverting to IAD after only a couple of circles.


Looks like they sat at Dulles for 3 hours and went back to JFK, and after a few more circles are short final.

There is a break between lines right now so it looks like they are getting some of the diversions in, but all flights are held at origin until at least 6:30 eastern - so it is going to be a never ending night. What a horrible January in all ways for JFK.

Re: JFK Diverting Flights due to shear

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:04 pm
by AirbusMDCFAN
Super80Fan wrote:
Where's the usual suspects saying "Jetblue should be in complete control of this"?



Sitting in the back of the aircraft complaining that they had a middle seat and were uncomfortable, and that the in-flight crew
should be bowing down to them and giving them comped drinks for the inconvenience of a roller coaster ride.

Re: JFK Diverting Flights due to shear

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:19 pm
by ucdtim17
Not worth its own thread but fog diversions at SFO today. LH A380 to OAK https://twitter.com/henrykleeKTVU/statu ... 8705204225

Re: JFK Diverting Flights due to shear

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:57 pm
by TK787
I have a 8:00am DL flight out of JFK. Looks like the weather is improving after 4am. Fingers crossed, I don't get delayed more than 3-4 hours :)