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American Airlines A330-300 Retirements?

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 12:35 pm
by MLIAA
According to FlightAware, N278AY flew from CLT to SAL on 5 NOV 2017 and has not returned (as of 12 JAN 2018), and N276AY made the same voyage 3 days ago.

This appears to be the beginning of the end for the A333 at American, unless someone has additional information.

Re: American Airlines A330-300 Retirements

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 12:47 pm
by jfk777
What is "SAL" ? El Salvador ?

Re: American Airlines A330-300 Retirements

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 1:14 pm
by mjoelnir
MLIAA wrote:
According to FlightAware, N278AY flew from CLT to SAL on 5 NOV 2017 and has not returned (as of 12 JAN 2018), and N276AY made the same voyage 3 days ago.

This appears to be the beginning of the end for the A333 at American, unless someone has additional information.


How would outsourced service sound?

Re: American Airlines A330-300 Retirements

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 1:18 pm
by Runway28L
Looks to me like an outsourced maintenance visit rather than a retirement.

SAL and BFM are usually for major checks... BFM mainly for the L-US wide body fleet and the L-AA 763s. I'm not sure if AA or US has any history with using SAL for maintenance but I know DL and a few other do. If it were at VCV, GYR, or ROW then it would likely be a retirement.

Re: American Airlines A330-300 Retirements

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 1:28 pm
by george77300
jfk777 wrote:
What is "SAL" ? El Salvador ?


Yes. That’s correct.

Re: American Airlines A330-300 Retirements

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 1:49 pm
by AASAP777
SAL has the Aeroman facility. I think that's rather maintenance than "retirement".

Re: American Airlines A330-300 Retirements

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:15 pm
by FSDan
AA seems to have changed plans from when they initially announced they would be retiring the 333s. I believe they'll stay on through this summer now, and will retire starting in 2019. No official source for this though - just what I've managed to glean from various threads on here...

Re: American Airlines A330-300 Retirements

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:26 pm
by catdaddy63
According to the AA Fleet site, N270AY now has streaming IFE and WiFi. I'd wager that the rest of the A333 fleet will be getting the same mods.

Re: American Airlines A330-300 Retirements

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:33 pm
by Narfish641
I don't think they will be retiring them that early unless it is a change of plans. They haven't released their 2018 FI just yet, so no one even knows how many 763ERs, or even the older A320s they are supposed to be removing from service this year.

Re: American Airlines A330-300 Retirements

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:13 pm
by YSAPW
As mentioned above, SAL (El Salvador international airport) is the base of "Aeroman", a fairly large MRO, which gives maintenance to many US carriers (AA, Southwest, JetBlue, and many others from the americas). Lately I have seen bunches of AA 330's receiving maintenance there.

Re: American Airlines A330-300 Retirements

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:39 pm
by CF-CPI
FSDan wrote:
AA seems to have changed plans from when they initially announced they would be retiring the 333s. I believe they'll stay on through this summer now, and will retire starting in 2019. No official source for this though - just what I've managed to glean from various threads on here...


There has also been talk of the A333s being retired as A350s come in, but as far as the A350s go, I've heard that their delivery may be delayed or cancelled outright. Anybody 'in the know' about this? Regardless, the A333s are outliers in the AA fleet: P&W powerplants, delivered in the early 2000s, so devoid of the upgrades that have continued to make the A330 a contender.

I rode on N276AY on Dec 23rd PHX-CLT. That bird really gets around - off to HNL from CLT, then back into the Euro cycle to LHR. I must say the 333 wears the latest AA livery well.

Re: American Airlines A330-300 Retirements

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 8:22 pm
by Alex000Sky
Image
Few weeks ago.
Taken from @aeromanoficial Instagram.

Re: American Airlines A330-300 Retirements

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 8:39 pm
by Boof02671
HP used Aeroman, and US continued the practice.

They wouldnt sent them to SAL to be retired, they would go to GYR, MZJ, ROS,or MHV.

Re: American Airlines A330-300 Retirements

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 8:40 pm
by jfk777
What is AA going to replace all those A333 with for their flights from PHL & CLT to Europe ? Do they have enough 777 or 787 just to move them over ?

Re: American Airlines A330-300 Retirements

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 9:51 pm
by Piedmont767LGW
jfk777 wrote:
What is AA going to replace all those A333 with for their flights from PHL & CLT to Europe ? Do they have enough 777 or 787 just to move them over ?


Replacement aircraft in the numbers necessary to retire the 333 (and more urgently, the 763) fleet(s), won't be available for a few more years.

The fact that modifications and upgrades continue on the 333 fleet may provide some indication of their short to mid-term longevity at AA.

Keep your expectations low regarding A350's showing up on the flight line at AA...and you won't be disappointed.

PI

Re: American Airlines A330-300 Retirements

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:36 pm
by zeke
MLIAA wrote:
According to FlightAware, N278AY flew from CLT to SAL on 5 NOV 2017 and has not returned (as of 12 JAN 2018), and N276AY made the same voyage 3 days ago.

This appears to be the beginning of the end for the A333 at American, unless someone has additional information.


Looks like the additional information has been provided, just routine maintenance.

Time to lock the thread.

Re: American Airlines A330-300 Retirements

Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 2:33 pm
by CF-CPI
Piedmont767LGW wrote:
jfk777 wrote:
What is AA going to replace all those A333 with for their flights from PHL & CLT to Europe ? Do they have enough 777 or 787 just to move them over ?


Replacement aircraft in the numbers necessary to retire the 333 (and more urgently, the 763) fleet(s), won't be available for a few more years.

The fact that modifications and upgrades continue on the 333 fleet may provide some indication of their short to mid-term longevity at AA.

Keep your expectations low regarding A350's showing up on the flight line at AA...and you won't be disappointed.

PI


Quite a number of the 767-331s have been parked, and they were coming up on almost 30 years in service. Are they more or less being swapped 1 for 1 for 787s? That would make sense from a capacity standpoint.

I was in CLT and PHL recently, and the operations remain overwhelmingly A330 (both -200 and -300). At the times I was passing through, there was not sign of 767, 777 or 787 activity. Given that this is USAirways territory, I am not surprised.

Re: American Airlines A330-300 Retirements

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 3:52 am
by Piedmont767LGW
CF-CPI wrote:

"Quite a number of the 767-331s have been parked..."


Of course you meant...767-323's when referring to AA delivered a/c.

-[x]31's would, of course, be indicative of an a/c built specifically for TWA. :airplane: :smile:

That being said, I do not believe there ever was an a/c designated as a 767-331. TWA was an early customer for the 767-200 and a/c were built specifically for TWA and designated 767-231's . N601TW (L/N 14) - 610TW were -231's. N650TW and N651TW were -205's built for Braathens.

Records indicate that none of the P&W Powered (AA's are GE) 767-300s acquired from TWA by AA were built specifically for T-way.

The TWA 767-300 fleet at various times consisted of at least the following a/c...

MSN....L/N.... A/C............REG
24952 357 767-3Y0(ER) EI-CAL
24953 405 767-3Y0(ER) EI-CAM
25137 377 767-330(ER) N691LF
25403 409 767-33A(ER) N637TW
25411 408 767-3Y0(ER) N640TW
26205 474 767-3Y0(ER) N638TW
26208 505 767-3Y0(ER) N639TW
28132 692 767-3Q8(ER) N634TW
28207 695 767-3Q8(ER) N635TW
30301 762 767-3Q8(ER) N636TW

...which leads one to the assumption that they were originally built for GPA, Condor (LH), AWAS, and ILFC respectively if the -designations are correct.

The -200's were disposed of at or before the merge and did not operate as AA a/c.

The -300's which were acquired by AA were disposed of by December of 2001. Some are now stored, some scrapped, but many are still actively operated somewhere in the world.

PI