B747 Fleet Routes 2018-Details

eamondzhang · Wed Jan 10, 2018 11:00 pm

Phosphorus wrote:
Ty134A wrote:
Summertime sees a lot of flights from LED and VKO to Crimea as well as Sochi, all for little money, mostly less than EUR100 one way. The all Eco configs of FV allow great freedom of choice for an Eco ticket, even Upper Deck seats. I highly recommend FV! A shame they don't operate the Roller 744s UN once had...

Please don't forget to mention you advertise participation in illegal activity -- i.e. illegal crossing of Ukrainian border and landing in UKFF/SIP -- airport closed to operations to civilized humanity.
simairlinenet wrote:
Here's what's currently loaded in OAG for 2018. I don't have time to edit this down to one direction, sorry. 405 one-directional routes, and the number of flights loaded into OAG.

Airline / From / To / Count
...
SU AER VKO 13
SU KHV VKO 70
SU LED SIP 57
SU SIP LED 57
SU SIP VKO 57
SU VKO AER 13
SU VKO KHV 85
SU VKO SIP 57
SU VKO VVO 19
SU VVO VKO 20
...

Are these flights really operated by SU planes and crews? I always thought those 744 were FV's.

All FV operated flights carry SU flight numbers these days AFAIK. Their flight numbers normally are in SU6XXX range, eg. VKO-VVO SU6281, VKO-KHV SU6287.

Thanks simairlinenet, some of the best lists around although I'm personally not a fan of 747 :duck:

Michael

Ellofiend · Wed Jan 10, 2018 11:10 pm

- Qantas
Sydney:
San Francisco 744
Santiago 744
Johannesburg 744
Tokyo 744
Hong Kong 744 (Operates with 388 depending on demand)
Los Angeles 744 (Operates with 388 depending on demand)
Vancouver (Seasonal?) 744

Brisbane:
Los Angeles/New York JFK 744 (Cannot fly Trans-con sector only)

Melbourne:
Hong Kong 744 (Still to be confirmed)

JamesCousins · Wed Jan 10, 2018 11:17 pm

Virgin's plane scheduling is a bit all of the place at the moment with their 787 downtime, but the 747 operates LGW to CUN twice/three times weekly and from MAN I believe too, during summer season...

ZK-NBT · Wed Jan 10, 2018 11:38 pm

Ellofiend wrote:
- Qantas
Sydney:
San Francisco 744
Santiago 744
Johannesburg 744
Tokyo 744
Hong Kong 744 (Operates with 388 depending on demand)
Los Angeles 744 (Operates with 388 depending on demand)
Vancouver (Seasonal?) 744

Brisbane:
Los Angeles/New York JFK 744 (Cannot fly Trans-con sector only)

Melbourne:
Hong Kong 744 (Still to be confirmed)

SYD-LAX has a weekly 744 covering A380 maintenance most of the year, peak DEC-JAN mainly there is a second flight 2-3 weekly with 744’s.

Nothing for MEL-HKG coming up that I’m aware of certainly nothing currently, last year it did get a 744 for a while. I thought it was meant to be permanent but didn’t last long, it may come back at some point.

SYD-HKG uses a 744 all year, some frequencies go A380 DEC-FEB, this could change with network changes to become more permanent but nothing loaded.

SYD-YVR is seasonal DEC-JAN, June-July 744.

Blimpie · Wed Jan 10, 2018 11:55 pm

Unless there has been a major change somewhere, BA, KLM and Lufthansa still has 747 service in to IAD.

_AA_777_MAN · Thu Jan 11, 2018 12:35 am

Man I dont know what kind of research you did but it's way off! In your original report you did not even include ORD at all! It has daily 747 service with BA LH and KLM. LH goes double daily 748 in the summer and BA usually does as well except this May they will introduce A380 service on one of the flights. As far as KLM ORD will probably be the carriers last 747 route as they use the combi version on this route. ORD probably has the most 747 service in the mainland USA when you factor in cargo operators!

blandy62 · Thu Jan 11, 2018 12:43 am

sometimes OZ fly their 747 on the ICN-HKG flights

ZK-NBT · Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:03 am

_AA_777_MAN wrote:
Man I dont know what kind of research you did but it's way off! In your original report you did not even include ORD at all! It has daily 747 service with BA LH and KLM. LH goes double daily 748 in the summer and BA usually does as well except this May they will introduce A380 service on one of the flights. As far as KLM ORD will probably be the carriers last 747 route as they use the combi version on this route. ORD probably has the most 747 service in the mainland USA when you factor in cargo operators!

Easy, maybe you should try it next time, it’s pretty easy to miss a route or city. We are trying to make a list of regularly flown routes by various airlines.

zkeoj · Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:06 am

_AA_777_MAN wrote:
Man I dont know what kind of research you did but it's way off! In your original report you did not even include ORD at all! It has daily 747 service with BA LH and KLM. LH goes double daily 748 in the summer and BA usually does as well except this May they will introduce A380 service on one of the flights. As far as KLM ORD will probably be the carriers last 747 route as they use the combi version on this route. ORD probably has the most 747 service in the mainland USA when you factor in cargo operators!

Why do you have to be so rude? It is a great thread many enjoy, and the OP said his list is not exhaustive/100% correct, and asked for input and updates.

Plus, you are incorrect as well: The way you worded your post, BA goes double daily 748 to ORD! Wishful thinking? Glasshouses?

TedToToe · Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:24 am

Ellofiend wrote:
Atlas Air:
Houston:
Luanda 744

Out of interest, what is the nature of this route?

Ellofiend · Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:54 am

_AA_777_MAN wrote:
Man I dont know what kind of research you did but it's way off! In your original report you did not even include ORD at all! It has daily 747 service with BA LH and KLM. LH goes double daily 748 in the summer and BA usually does as well except this May they will introduce A380 service on one of the flights. As far as KLM ORD will probably be the carriers last 747 route as they use the combi version on this route. ORD probably has the most 747 service in the mainland USA when you factor in cargo operators!

Sorry I have not included Chicago in my list, I have only been able to use flightradar24 as it was my only source of accurate information. As I stated in the first post, this is a progressive thread which will be updated as info comes available. I do not believe there was any 747 flight's going into or out of chicago at the time I created the thread so it would make sense that I had missed the information that comes with the flight being in the air (Flightradar24 can only see flights when their signals are active and running). I will take this information into account and update the lists. However I do ask that next time someone misses something and you have corrective infromation to give to them, you make sure that you have taken all factors into account and adress them in a more appropriate manner.

Ellofiend · Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:00 am

- KLM: Updated Route list, now including chicago
Amsterdam:
Los Angeles 744
Toronto 744
Houston 744
Hong Kong 744
Curacao 744
Mexico City 744
Seoul 744
Delhi 744
Nairobi 744
Paramaribo 744
Willemstad 744
Chicago 744

Ellofiend · Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:01 am

Lufthansa Route Update: Now including Chicago
Seattle 744
Rio De Janeiro 744
Mexico City 748
Johannesburg 748
Denver 744
Osaka Kansai 744
Seoul 744
Sao Paulo 748
Buenos Aires 748
Tokyo 748
Bengaluru 748
Chicago 748
Boston 748
New York 748
New York 748
Washington 748
Mumbai 748
Orlando 744
Tehran 744
Dubai 744
Vancouver 744
Hong kong 748
Toronto (Seasonal - Summer 744 - Winter 343)
Detroit (Seasonal - Summer 744 - Winter 333)
Shanghai 388 (Seasonal 747?)
Chicago 748

Ellofiend · Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:04 am

British Airways Route Update: Now including Chicago
According to Northern Hemispheric weather:
Vancouver (Seasonal - 744 winter - 388 summer)
Johannesburg (Seasonal - flight 57 becomes 744 from 388?)
Austin (Seasonal - 744 summer - 789 winter)
San Diego (Seasonal - 744 winter - 77W summer)
Seattle (Seasonal - 772 winter - 744 summer)
San Francisco 744
Phoenix 744
Philadelphia 744
Chicago 744
Miami 744
Nairobi 744
Keja 744
Las Vegas 744
Kuwait City 744
New York 744
Dubai 744
Dallas Fort Worth 744
Washington Dulles 744
Denver 744
Delhi 744
Boston 744
Accra 744
Capetown 744
Los Angeles 744

Ellofiend · Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:08 am

- Royal Air Maroc
Casablanca:
Montreal 744

Ellofiend · Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:19 am

Ziyulu wrote:
CA 986 from PEK to CKG.

I have been aware of this route however I could not find the 748 on this route on any of the flighttracking sites, does anyone know if this route has been suspended?

Ellofiend · Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:27 am

- Virgin Atlantic Route Update: MAN-LAS incorrect, MAN-MCO/LGW-LAS Correct
Manchester:
Orlando 744

Gatwick:
Orlando 744
Las Vegas 744
Cancun 744
Montego Bay 744

airpearl · Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:28 am

Until the end of the current winter schedule, KE also operates the 748 on ICN-KUL daily

Ellofiend · Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:34 am

airpearl wrote:
Until the end of the current winter schedule, KE also operates the 748 on ICN-KUL daily

Updated, however, when does the winter schedule end? And if I am missing any more KE flights please tell me, I think I have missed a few

- Korean/Update/Now includes Kuala lumpur
Seoul:
Bangkok 744
Auckland 748
Hong Kong 748
Frankfurt 748
Honolulu 748
Rome 748
Kuala Lumpur 748

ZK-NBT · Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:35 am

Ellofiend wrote:
Ziyulu wrote:
CA 986 from PEK to CKG.

I have been aware of this route however I could not find the 748 on this route on any of the flighttracking sites, does anyone know if this route has been suspended?

Try CA’s online schedules, some of them show aircraft type while some don’t, others might just say 747 rather than 744 or 748.

KE ICN-AKL 748 is seasonal DEC-FEB most years. I think ICN-FCO is a NS seasonal 748 as well.

Ellofiend · Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:41 am

- Korean/Update/Now includes seasons
Seoul:
Bangkok 744
Auckland 748 (Summer 748, Winter 77W)
Hong Kong 748
Frankfurt 748
Honolulu 748
Rome 748 (Summer 748, Winter 77W)
Kuala Lumpur 748

Ellofiend · Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:00 am

Here is the BA 744 routes on a map:
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=LHR-YVR%0D%0ALHR-JNB%0D%0ALHR-AUS%0D%0ALHR-SAN%0D%0ALHR-SEA%0D%0ALHR-SFO%0D%0ALHR-PHX%0D%0ALHR-PHL%0D%0ALHR-ORD%0D%0ALHR-MIA%0D%0ALHR-NBO%0D%0ALHR-LOS%0D%0ALHR-LAS%0D%0ALHR-KWI%0D%0ALHR-JFK%0D%0ALHR-DXB%0D%0ALHR-DFW%0D%0ALHR-IAD%0D%0ALHR-DEN%0D%0ALHR-DEL%0D%0ALHR-BOS%0D%0ALHR-ACC%0D%0ALHR-CPT%0D%0ALHR-LAX&MS=wls&DU=mi

ZK-NBT · Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:14 am

Ellofiend wrote:
Ziyulu wrote:
CA 986 from PEK to CKG.

I have been aware of this route however I could not find the 748 on this route on any of the flighttracking sites, does anyone know if this route has been suspended?

It shows CA986 as a SFO-PEK-CKG routing with a change of planes to a 77W for the PEK-CKG sector on the date I checked atleast. SFO-PEK is 748 though.

Ellofiend · Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:15 am

Here is the LH 747 route map:
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=FRA-SEA%0D%0AFRA-JNB%0D%0AFRA-DEN%0D%0AFRA-KIX%0D%0AFRA-ICN%0D%0AFRA-GRU%0D%0AFRA-HND%0D%0AFRA-ORD%0D%0AFRA-BOS%0D%0AFRA-JFK%0D%0AFRA-EWR%0D%0AFRA-IAD%0D%0AFRA-MCO%0D%0AFRA-DXB%0D%0AFRA-YVR%0D%0AFRA-HKG%0D%0AFRA-YYZ%0D%0AFRA-PVG%0D%0AFRA-THR%0D%0AFRA-BOM%0D%0AFRA-BLR%0D%0AFRA-AEP%0D%0AFRA-MEX%0D%0AFRA-GIG&MS=wls&DU=mi

Ellofiend · Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:19 am

ZK-NBT wrote:
Ellofiend wrote:
Ziyulu wrote:
CA 986 from PEK to CKG.

I have been aware of this route however I could not find the 748 on this route on any of the flighttracking sites, does anyone know if this route has been suspended?

It shows CA986 as a SFO-PEK-CKG routing with a change of planes to a 77W for the PEK-CKG sector on the date I checked atleast. SFO-PEK is 748 though.

Yes thankyou for looking into this, Ziyulu told me the 748 continued onto PEK but it seems they must have stopped the service to supplement the services the 744's must have been operating until their decomissioning.

airpearl · Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:25 am

Ellofiend wrote:
airpearl wrote:
Until the end of the current winter schedule, KE also operates the 748 on ICN-KUL daily

Updated, however, when does the winter schedule end? And if I am missing any more KE flights please tell me, I think I have missed a few

- Korean/Update/Now includes Kuala lumpur
Seoul:
Bangkok 744
Auckland 748
Hong Kong 748
Frankfurt 748
Honolulu 748
Rome 748
Kuala Lumpur 748

ICN-KUL is 748 until March 24, after which it reverts to 77W

User001 · Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:50 am

Ellofiend wrote:
- Virgin Atlantic Route Update: MAN-LAS incorrect, MAN-MCO/LGW-LAS Correct
Manchester:
Orlando 744

Gatwick:
Orlando 744
Las Vegas 744
Cancun 744
Montego Bay 744

MAN-LAS is a B744 route, 2 weekly in the summer so it was correct.

whywhyzee · Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:57 am

Adipasquale wrote:
whywhyzee wrote:
LH Toronto is 744

It's seasonal. During the winter, FRA-YYZ is operates by the 343.

It's year round, and has been for a few years. The A343 this year seems to be as a result of the AB issues. The 747 is back next week.

whywhyzee · Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:02 am

Ellofiend wrote:
Lufthansa Route Update: Now including Chicago
Seattle 744
Rio De Janeiro 744
Mexico City 748
Johannesburg 748
Denver 744
Osaka Kansai 744
Seoul 744
Sao Paulo 748
Buenos Aires 748
Tokyo 748
Bengaluru 748
Chicago 748
Boston 748
New York 748
New York 748
Washington 748
Mumbai 748
Orlando 744
Tehran 744
Dubai 744
Vancouver 744
Hong kong 748
Toronto (Seasonal - Summer 744 - Winter 343)
Detroit (Seasonal - Summer 744 - Winter 333)
Shanghai 388 (Seasonal 747?)
Chicago 748

YYZ is scheduled as a year round 744, the A343 only operated for about a month or two this year, seemingly to help cover for the AB flights (AC maintained its 2x daily YYZ-FRA flights on the 77W and 789). The 747 is scheduled to return next week January 15th. In the past, it has never left like this, this schedule update came shortly before the swap.

Alexdk · Thu Jan 11, 2018 5:47 am

Phosphorus wrote:
Ty134A wrote:
Summertime sees a lot of flights from LED and VKO to Crimea as well as Sochi, all for little money, mostly less than EUR100 one way. The all Eco configs of FV allow great freedom of choice for an Eco ticket, even Upper Deck seats. I highly recommend FV! A shame they don't operate the Roller 744s UN once had...

Please don't forget to mention you advertise participation in illegal activity -- i.e. illegal crossing of Ukrainian border and landing in UKFF/SIP -- airport closed to operations to civilized humanity.
simairlinenet wrote:
Here's what's currently loaded in OAG for 2018. I don't have time to edit this down to one direction, sorry. 405 one-directional routes, and the number of flights loaded into OAG.

Airline / From / To / Count
...
SU AER VKO 13
SU KHV VKO 70
SU LED SIP 57
SU SIP LED 57
SU SIP VKO 57
SU VKO AER 13
SU VKO KHV 85
SU VKO SIP 57
SU VKO VVO 19
SU VVO VKO 20
...

Are these flights really operated by SU planes and crews? I always thought those 744 were FV's.

They aren't. SU jest sells all the tickets for FV flights.

Ellofiend · Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:14 am

whywhyzee wrote:
YYZ is scheduled as a year round 744, the A343 only operated for about a month or two this year, seemingly to help cover for the AB flights (AC maintained its 2x daily YYZ-FRA flights on the 77W and 789). The 747 is scheduled to return next week January 15th. In the past, it has never left like this, this schedule update came shortly before the swap.

So, the LH744 has been absent from Toronto for around a month while the regular 744 is used on other routes which Lufhtansa lost during the Air berlin shutdown and the route was instead operated by the A343 although the regular 744 should be back in the next week or so, do you know if this happened to any other routes in order to keep planes on the routes that Air Berlin lost?

Ellofiend · Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:46 am

User001 wrote:
Ellofiend wrote:
- Virgin Atlantic Route Update: MAN-LAS incorrect, MAN-MCO/LGW-LAS Correct
Manchester:
Orlando 744

Gatwick:
Orlando 744
Las Vegas 744
Cancun 744
Montego Bay 744

MAN-LAS is a B744 route, 2 weekly in the summer so it was correct.

Wow, twice weekly? Thats low frequency. I thought there was the route so I was right, must not've been flying today or yesterday.

Ellofiend · Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:48 am

- Virgin Atlantic Route Update: MAN-LAS/MAN-MCO/LGW-LAS Correct
Manchester:
Orlando 744
Las Vegas 744

Gatwick:
Orlando 744
Las Vegas 744
Cancun 744
Montego Bay 744

Ellofiend · Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:52 am

Lufthansa Route Update: Now including reason for Toronto 343 replacement
Seattle 744
Rio De Janeiro 744
Mexico City 748
Johannesburg 748
Denver 744
Osaka Kansai 744
Seoul 744
Sao Paulo 748
Buenos Aires 748
Tokyo 748
Bengaluru 748
Chicago 748
Boston 748
New York 748
New York 748
Washington 748
Mumbai 748
Orlando 744
Tehran 744
Dubai 744
Vancouver 744
Hong kong 748
Toronto (Air Berlin route sustainment vehicle 747, replaced by A343 from Mid-November through to January 15)
Detroit (Seasonal - Summer 744 - Winter 333)
Shanghai 388 (Seasonal 747?)

parapente · Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:55 am

If fuel sticks around $70 a barrel these lists will get shorter quickly!

Ellofiend · Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:42 am

Korean 747 routes:
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=AKL-ICN%0D ... =wls&DU=mi

Alexdk · Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:29 am

eamondzhang wrote:
Phosphorus wrote:
Ty134A wrote:
Summertime sees a lot of flights from LED and VKO to Crimea as well as Sochi, all for little money, mostly less than EUR100 one way. The all Eco configs of FV allow great freedom of choice for an Eco ticket, even Upper Deck seats. I highly recommend FV! A shame they don't operate the Roller 744s UN once had...

Please don't forget to mention you advertise participation in illegal activity -- i.e. illegal crossing of Ukrainian border and landing in UKFF/SIP -- airport closed to operations to civilized humanity.
simairlinenet wrote:
Here's what's currently loaded in OAG for 2018. I don't have time to edit this down to one direction, sorry. 405 one-directional routes, and the number of flights loaded into OAG.

Airline / From / To / Count
...
SU AER VKO 13
SU KHV VKO 70
SU LED SIP 57
SU SIP LED 57
SU SIP VKO 57
SU VKO AER 13
SU VKO KHV 85
SU VKO SIP 57
SU VKO VVO 19
SU VVO VKO 20
...

Are these flights really operated by SU planes and crews? I always thought those 744 were FV's.

All FV operated flights carry SU flight numbers these days AFAIK. Their flight numbers normally are in SU6XXX range, eg. VKO-VVO SU6281, VKO-KHV SU6287.

Thanks simairlinenet, some of the best lists around although I'm personally not a fan of 747
Michael

But charter flights are under FV code.

DABYT · Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:22 am

Ellofiend wrote:
Here is the LH 747 route map:
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=FRA-SEA%0D%0AFRA-JNB%0D%0AFRA-DEN%0D%0AFRA-KIX%0D%0AFRA-ICN%0D%0AFRA-GRU%0D%0AFRA-HND%0D%0AFRA-ORD%0D%0AFRA-BOS%0D%0AFRA-JFK%0D%0AFRA-EWR%0D%0AFRA-IAD%0D%0AFRA-MCO%0D%0AFRA-DXB%0D%0AFRA-YVR%0D%0AFRA-HKG%0D%0AFRA-YYZ%0D%0AFRA-PVG%0D%0AFRA-THR%0D%0AFRA-BOM%0D%0AFRA-BLR%0D%0AFRA-AEP%0D%0AFRA-MEX%0D%0AFRA-GIG&MS=wls&DU=mi

Great job, thank you! Just one correction: The airport LH is serving in Buenos Aires is EZE (Ezeiza) not AEP (Aeroparque). AEP couldn’t handle the 748. It’s mainly used for domestic flights.

whywhyzee · Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:32 pm

Ellofiend wrote:
whywhyzee wrote:
YYZ is scheduled as a year round 744, the A343 only operated for about a month or two this year, seemingly to help cover for the AB flights (AC maintained its 2x daily YYZ-FRA flights on the 77W and 789). The 747 is scheduled to return next week January 15th. In the past, it has never left like this, this schedule update came shortly before the swap.

So, the LH744 has been absent from Toronto for around a month while the regular 744 is used on other routes which Lufhtansa lost during the Air berlin shutdown and the route was instead operated by the A343 although the regular 744 should be back in the next week or so, do you know if this happened to any other routes in order to keep planes on the routes that Air Berlin lost?

That I dont know, but they were using a 744 and an a346 for rescue flights, so it would have to have been a MUC flight as well that changed

LAM240 · Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:09 pm

Ellofiend wrote:
British Airways Route Update: Now including Chicago
According to Northern Hemispheric weather:
Vancouver (Seasonal - 744 winter - 388 summer)
Johannesburg (Seasonal - flight 57 becomes 744 from 388?)
Austin (Seasonal - 744 summer - 789 winter)
San Diego (Seasonal - 744 winter - 77W summer)
Seattle (Seasonal - 772 winter - 744 summer)
San Francisco 744
Phoenix 744
Philadelphia 744
Chicago 744
Miami 744
Nairobi 744
Keja 744
Las Vegas 744
Kuwait City 744
New York 744
Dubai 744
Dallas Fort Worth 744
Washington Dulles 744
Denver 744
Delhi 744
Boston 744
Accra 744
Capetown 744
Los Angeles 744

You can add Riyadh to your list.Although it does alternate with the 772 on various days.

Ty134A · Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:24 pm

Phosphorus wrote:
Ty134A wrote:
Summertime sees a lot of flights from LED and VKO to Crimea as well as Sochi, all for little money, mostly less than EUR100 one way. The all Eco configs of FV allow great freedom of choice for an Eco ticket, even Upper Deck seats. I highly recommend FV! A shame they don't operate the Roller 744s UN once had...

Please don't forget to mention you advertise participation in illegal activity -- i.e. illegal crossing of Ukrainian border and landing in UKFF/SIP -- airport closed to operations to civilized humanity.
simairlinenet wrote:
Here's what's currently loaded in OAG for 2018. I don't have time to edit this down to one direction, sorry. 405 one-directional routes, and the number of flights loaded into OAG.

Airline / From / To / Count
...
SU AER VKO 13
SU KHV VKO 70
SU LED SIP 57
SU SIP LED 57
SU SIP VKO 57
SU VKO AER 13
SU VKO KHV 85
SU VKO SIP 57
SU VKO VVO 19
SU VVO VKO 20
...

Are these flights really operated by SU planes and crews? I always thought those 744 were FV's.

Are you joking? Then where would civilized humanity be able to land? Guantanamo Bay?

As far as I understand, most of the crews operating FV 744s are former UN staff. I really don't know what happened to the ones operating Orenairs 772. On the other hand, there are quite some 777 in Russia, so most likely there is some fluctuation between the companies. FV still remains the sole pax 744 operator, but there are some Russian cargo operators... Russia seems to have quite some demand. Not so much as before the bankrupcy wave, but still. It yould be interesting how traffic compares to RFSFR numbers from the 80ies and early 90ies to now.

Other topic: how about the Mahan 743s? If active, should be the last ones for sure. I really prefer the classic 747 and think the SP is somewhat the coolest, most estethic.

Ty134A · Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:30 pm

parapente wrote:
If fuel sticks around $70 a barrel these lists will get shorter quickly!

And not only that. Time goes by as well and that means in many ways retirement for these birds.

From my childhood I remember it being brandnew and fancy, the 744. There are some planes thst actually really made a difference, the 747 was one of those. Although with the ARJ21, MA60 and C919 as well as the MS21 there is hope for some adventure, I miss the days in which flights were like 30% from now, but all those nice aircraft.... and now its all the same, some bigger some smaller, that's it.

Ellofiend · Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:50 pm

Updated LH 747 route map / Now includes EZE not AEP (Thaknyou for the correction DABYT):
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=FRA-SEA%0D ... =wls&DU=mi

george77300 · Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:30 pm

Korean also flies the B748 to LHR.

I think 3 weekly B748, other 4 days A388. (Although B77W through Winter now so mabye seasonal )

Lingon · Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:52 am

KLM AMS-HKG is a mix of 747 and 777. Source is their booking site a couple of months ago, I checked March and June. If I remember correctly, they fly a 747 Combi 3 x weekly.

Ellofiend · Fri Jan 12, 2018 8:42 pm

Here is the Virgin Atlantic B744 route map:
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=MAN-LAS%0D ... =wls&DU=mi

JBusworth · Sat Jan 13, 2018 3:45 am

Here is a QF B747 route map. It includes all 747-400 and 747-400ER routes including seasonal.
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=bne-lax,+s ... b,+syd-scl,

airzona11 · Sat Jan 13, 2018 4:54 am

This is a great thread. Those maps are great too.

Need to get planning and get that upper deck flight while I still can!

330lover · Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:48 am

Ellofiend wrote:
Here is the Virgin Atlantic B744 route map:
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=MAN-LAS%0D ... =wls&DU=mi

MCO in stead of FCO, I presume?
Small typo...

Ellofiend · Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:27 am

330lover wrote:
Ellofiend wrote:
Here is the Virgin Atlantic B744 route map:
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=MAN-LAS%0D ... =wls&DU=mi

MCO in stead of FCO, I presume?
Small typo...

Yes, sorry, thank-you for the correction:
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=MAN-LAS%0D ... =wls&DU=mi

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