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Re: 2017 total passenger rankings for US large hub airports

Sat Jan 20, 2018 2:46 pm

EWR, LGA and JFK reported their Nov-2017 numbers. Key insights:
1. JFK is now ranked 5 over DEN which is now 6 in very large hub category
2. EWR is now ranked 14 over IAH
3. LGA is now ranked 20 over PHL
4. DFW, CLT have not reported their Oct and Nov numbers
5. DCA, IAD, have not reported their Nov numbers so ranking cannot be surely determined.

Dec-2017 numbers should start getting reported starting next week so keep the group posted.

Very Large hubs
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Ranking Airport Total pax International pax
1 ATL 95,853,002 11,089,903
2 LAX 77,460,035 22,728,431
3 ORD 73,470,677 11,489,326
4 DFW 50,217,940 6,654,737
5 JFK 56,118,299 29,919,752
6 DEN 51,515,354 2,143,376
7 SFO 51,154,591 12,354,832

Large Hubs
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Ranking Airport Total pax International pax
8 LAS 44,571,956 3,645,696
9 CLT 34,385,140 2,692,804
10 SEA 42,755,407 4,683,885
11 MCO 40,529,094 3,135,985
12 PHX 40,200,418 1,858,331
13 MIA 40,074,242 19,531,100
14 EWR 40,875,589 11,848,675
15 IAH 36,919,392 9,315,921
16 BOS 35,480,061 6,679,666
17 MSP 35,106,105 2,514,176
18 DTW 32,001,529 2,818,101
19 FLL 29,469,583 6,453,082
20 LGA 27,625,116 1,937,148
21 PHL 27,196,842 3,723,057
22 BWI 24,232,648 1,073,371
23 SLC 22,266,674 854,613
24 DCA 20,103,225 317,602
25 MDW 20,668,649 756,277
26 SAN 20,317,829 810,133
27 IAD 19,207,073 6,586,079
28 TPA 17,714,978 829,647
29 PDX 17,508,854 689,755

Enjoy!
 
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Re: 2017 total passenger rankings for US large hub airports

Sat Jan 20, 2018 6:58 pm

BOS is top 10 for International Pax! Impressive
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Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:11 pm

As you can see from my id on this post, EWR is one of my 2 favorite airports. I went to the PANYNJ site and saw they did indeed post November stats. Counting revenue and non-revenue passengers, for the first 11 months of 2017 40,655,986 flew through EWR. Projecting through December, using the 12 months between Dec 2016 and Nov 2017 the total goes up to 44,281,090. If you average out the total on a monthly basis between Jan and Nov 2017, then the annual number of passengers will be 12 x 40,655,986/11 which is just about 44,351,985. I find that absolutely astounding! Perhaps the 2019 yearly total pass 50,000,000? Wouldn't that be something for an airport a "real" New Yorker will never use! You know who you are!
 
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Re: 2017 total passenger rankings for US large hub airports

Sun Jan 21, 2018 7:28 pm

NickolayAv wrote:
BOS is top 10 for International Pax! Impressive

BOS is definitely in the top 10 international cities. DFW looks lower than BOS because DFW has not reported their Oct and Nov numbers.
1 29,919,752 JFK
2 22,728,431 LAX
3 19,531,100 MIA
4 12,354,832 SFO
5 11,848,675 EWR
6 11,489,326 ORD
7 11,089,903 ATL
8 9,315,921 IAH
9 6,679,666 BOS
10 6,654,737 DFW
EWRandMDW wrote:
As you can see from my id on this post, EWR is one of my 2 favorite airports. I went to the PANYNJ site and saw they did indeed post November stats. Counting revenue and non-revenue passengers, for the first 11 months of 2017 40,655,986 flew through EWR. Projecting through December, using the 12 months between Dec 2016 and Nov 2017 the total goes up to 44,281,090. If you average out the total on a monthly basis between Jan and Nov 2017, then the annual number of passengers will be 12 x 40,655,986/11 which is just about 44,351,985. I find that absolutely astounding! Perhaps the 2019 yearly total pass 50,000,000? Wouldn't that be something for an airport a "real" New Yorker will never use! You know who you are!

The NYC area total pax for EWR, JFK and LGA equals 124,619,004 pax. The distant second is the Chicago area (ORD and MDW). EWR has improved it's standing and UA marketing the airport quite well is working really good.
 
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Sun Jan 21, 2018 8:04 pm

Unofficial, but LAX should be a shade under 85M (84.8 ~ 84.9) when YE2017 figures are released.
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Mon Jan 22, 2018 12:31 am

[quote="iyerhari"

The NYC area total pax for EWR, JFK and LGA equals 124,619,004 pax. The distant second is the Chicago area (ORD and MDW). .[/quote]

The point is that ORD and MDW are both physically in Chicago. If you take the two airports, JFK and LGA, that are physically in NYC, their annual passenger total will be approximately 80.5 million, roughly 20 million less than Chicago.

Of course the NYC area is also the Newark area, so I say the Newark area total pax equals 124.6 million. It can't all go one way, right?
 
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EWRandMDW wrote:
[quote="iyerhari"

The NYC area total pax for EWR, JFK and LGA equals 124,619,004 pax. The distant second is the Chicago area (ORD and MDW). .


The point is that ORD and MDW are both physically in Chicago. If you take the two airports, JFK and LGA, that are physically in NYC, their annual passenger total will be approximately 80.5 million, roughly 20 million less than Chicago.

Of course the NYC area is also the Newark area, so I say the Newark area total pax equals 124.6 million. It can't all go one way, right?[/quote]
Newark is part of the NYC MSA and is heavily marketed as being one. Newark has been shortlisted as one of the AMZN 2nd HQ contenders. I agree with you - if you still exclude EWR, then it is only Chicago that is the next in line with the next being MIA, FLL and the DC airport areas.
 
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Sat Jan 27, 2018 3:59 pm

PDX Portland International Airport

“PDX ended the 2017 calendar year with 19,080,494 passengers, our fifth year of record
passenger traffic and a 4% increase over calendar year 2016.”

Full report not yet posted.
 
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Sat Jan 27, 2018 6:05 pm

It does seem like SEA growth has inhibited DTW & MSP somewhat. Would like to see some love given to MSP & DTW, although while they remain strong hubs, would be nice to see some mainline growth and also some larger RJ upgrades from the CRJ's. They are awesome hubs to connect through.
 
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Sat Jan 27, 2018 9:32 pm

iyerhari wrote:
EWRandMDW wrote:
[quote="iyerhari"

Newark is part of the NYC MSA and is heavily marketed as being one. Newark has been shortlisted as one of the AMZN 2nd HQ contenders. I agree with you - if you still exclude EWR, then it is only Chicago that is the next in line with the next being MIA, FLL and the DC airport areas.


The Los Angeles MSA airports and Bay Area CSA airports, in that order, are as busy as South Florida and DC airports. LAX alone is busier than DCA + BWI + IAD.

Edit: oh, and of course, ATL alone has about 100 million passengers.
 
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Sat Jan 27, 2018 10:22 pm

Why report these without all the numbers? At the end of November 2017 EWR had 39,487,330 revenue passengers for the year 2017. If you include December 2016, the pax count for that 12 month period (12/16-11/17) was 43,015,748. EWR is currently handling the most passengers it ever has in its history.
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Sun Jan 28, 2018 3:07 am

eadc8 wrote:
Why report these without all the numbers? At the end of November 2017 EWR had 39,487,330 revenue passengers for the year 2017. If you include December 2016, the pax count for that 12 month period (12/16-11/17) was 43,015,748. EWR is currently handling the most passengers it ever has in its history.

Airports report data at different times. NYC airports report their data only by the third week so I am thinking the Dec-2017 data should get reported by the 3rd week of Feb-2018. I agree with you though - EWR has had a fantastic year. Until Nov-2017, EWR has carried a total of 40,875,589 pax and has already overtaken their 2016 numbers. I will publish the numbers as most airports start reporting their numbers.

smashystyle wrote:
iyerhari wrote:
EWRandMDW wrote:
[quote="iyerhari"

Newark is part of the NYC MSA and is heavily marketed as being one. Newark has been shortlisted as one of the AMZN 2nd HQ contenders. I agree with you - if you still exclude EWR, then it is only Chicago that is the next in line with the next being MIA, FLL and the DC airport areas.


The Los Angeles MSA airports and Bay Area CSA airports, in that order, are as busy as South Florida and DC airports. LAX alone is busier than DCA + BWI + IAD.[/quote]
Excellent point - I will also add other Bay area CSA airports such as SJC, BUR. LA MSA would consist of LAX, SNA, ONT, BUR and LGB. I am pretty sure it should be good. Thanks for pointing this out.
 
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PHL is going to see the lowest passenger total in the past 20-25 years. But 2018 will be somewhat of a bounce back year with 4 new international flights.


It is quite amazing how a city of this size has had every form of excess capacity squeezed out of it by AA compared to the US days. My last few trips to PHL in the last two years really revealed how much traffic has been cut from this airport. While it is great as a remedy for the delays it was always notorious for, the airport now seems borderline "dead" in terms of aircraft activity at times. Gone are the long aircraft taxi times and gone is the busy activity it was always none to have. From an aviation enthusiasts perspective, it is quite disappointing to see these passenger number totals compared to the past.
 
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crownvic wrote:
usairways85 wrote:
PHL is going to see the lowest passenger total in the past 20-25 years. But 2018 will be somewhat of a bounce back year with 4 new international flights.


It is quite amazing how a city of this size has had every form of excess capacity squeezed out of it by AA compared to the US days. My last few trips to PHL in the last two years really revealed how much traffic has been cut from this airport. While it is great as a remedy for the delays it was always notorious for, the airport now seems borderline "dead" in terms of aircraft activity at times. Gone are the long aircraft taxi times and gone is the busy activity it was always none to have. From an aviation enthusiasts perspective, it is quite disappointing to see these passenger number totals compared to the past.

I agree - having an airline dominance also has its challenges. The good thing is AA is adding 7 domestic and 3 seasonal international destinations. How many of them will stick is a different question.

Domestic: SAT, DSM, FWA, MSN, OKC, JFK, OMA, PNS
International: BUD, ZRH, PRA
 
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Re: 2017 total passenger rankings for US large hub airports

Sun Jan 28, 2018 8:51 am

iyerhari wrote:
crownvic wrote:
usairways85 wrote:
PHL is going to see the lowest passenger total in the past 20-25 years. But 2018 will be somewhat of a bounce back year with 4 new international flights.


It is quite amazing how a city of this size has had every form of excess capacity squeezed out of it by AA compared to the US days. My last few trips to PHL in the last two years really revealed how much traffic has been cut from this airport. While it is great as a remedy for the delays it was always notorious for, the airport now seems borderline "dead" in terms of aircraft activity at times. Gone are the long aircraft taxi times and gone is the busy activity it was always none to have. From an aviation enthusiasts perspective, it is quite disappointing to see these passenger number totals compared to the past.

I agree - having an airline dominance also has its challenges. The good thing is AA is adding 7 domestic and 3 seasonal international destinations. How many of them will stick is a different question.

Domestic: SAT, DSM, FWA, MSN, OKC, JFK, OMA, PNS
International: BUD, ZRH, PRA


Again the gist is true but this is very exaggerated. See my post in this thread from 2 weeks ago.

The 2018 numbers are the lowest since 2004 or only 13 years ago (not 20-25). Also the 2017 passenger number should be around 29.5 million. PHL's annual passenger count has been nearly flat over the last 10 years and the highest annual passenger count ever experienced at PHL was 32.2 million in 2007. So 2017 traffic should be only about 8% lower then it's all time peak.

ZRH also will be year round service, not seasonal.
 
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OslPhlWasChi wrote:
iyerhari wrote:
crownvic wrote:

It is quite amazing how a city of this size has had every form of excess capacity squeezed out of it by AA compared to the US days. My last few trips to PHL in the last two years really revealed how much traffic has been cut from this airport. While it is great as a remedy for the delays it was always notorious for, the airport now seems borderline "dead" in terms of aircraft activity at times. Gone are the long aircraft taxi times and gone is the busy activity it was always none to have. From an aviation enthusiasts perspective, it is quite disappointing to see these passenger number totals compared to the past.

I agree - having an airline dominance also has its challenges. The good thing is AA is adding 7 domestic and 3 seasonal international destinations. How many of them will stick is a different question.

Domestic: SAT, DSM, FWA, MSN, OKC, JFK, OMA, PNS
International: BUD, ZRH, PRA


Again the gist is true but this is very exaggerated. See my post in this thread from 2 weeks ago.

The 2018 numbers are the lowest since 2004 or only 13 years ago (not 20-25). Also the 2017 passenger number should be around 29.5 million. PHL's annual passenger count has been nearly flat over the last 10 years and the highest annual passenger count ever experienced at PHL was 32.2 million in 2007. So 2017 traffic should be only about 8% lower then it's all time peak.

ZRH also will be year round service, not seasonal.

Yes, exaggerated a bit. But in a time where other major airports have large % increases, for PHL to be flat or down the past few years has resulted in the airport falling way behind in pax numbers.

PHL was really always a banked hub, but it is even more noticeable now. As mentioned there are certain hours with only a handful of flights. The admittedly unnecessary frequency to BOS, LGA, DCA, EWR was cut and subsequently the flights that filled in the gaps between banks.
 
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Mon Jan 29, 2018 8:35 pm

Final 2017 passenger numbers for MCO are in: 44.6 million.
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Mon Jan 29, 2018 8:57 pm

Good year for MCO in 2017; AAGR = 6.41%; international passengers are 13.25% of total pax.

I still strongly believe MCO will be at number 11; SEA, PHX, CLT have not reported their numbers so will keep a close eye on that; let's see how the rankings stack up overall unless something changes. Commendable MCO; coming there on Wednesday (first time) for business.
 
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LAX numbers are out.

Passenger Traffic Up 4.5 percent to 84.6M in 2017, International Traffic Up 8.7 %

http://labusinessjournal.com/news/2018/ ... ternation/
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Tue Jan 30, 2018 6:24 am

usairways85 wrote:
OslPhlWasChi wrote:
iyerhari wrote:
I agree - having an airline dominance also has its challenges. The good thing is AA is adding 7 domestic and 3 seasonal international destinations. How many of them will stick is a different question.

Domestic: SAT, DSM, FWA, MSN, OKC, JFK, OMA, PNS
International: BUD, ZRH, PRA


Again the gist is true but this is very exaggerated. See my post in this thread from 2 weeks ago.

The 2018 numbers are the lowest since 2004 or only 13 years ago (not 20-25). Also the 2017 passenger number should be around 29.5 million. PHL's annual passenger count has been nearly flat over the last 10 years and the highest annual passenger count ever experienced at PHL was 32.2 million in 2007. So 2017 traffic should be only about 8% lower then it's all time peak.

ZRH also will be year round service, not seasonal.

Yes, exaggerated a bit. But in a time where other major airports have large % increases, for PHL to be flat or down the past few years has resulted in the airport falling way behind in pax numbers.

PHL was really always a banked hub, but it is even more noticeable now. As mentioned there are certain hours with only a handful of flights. The admittedly unnecessary frequency to BOS, LGA, DCA, EWR was cut and subsequently the flights that filled in the gaps between banks.


And that is the point. While so many airports have seen nearly double digit growth the past 20 years, PHL has either been flat or down. Sort of strange for an airport that did not encounter a hub closure (like PIT, STL, CLE, etc.). I really thought WN was going to make a real push for PHL when they entered the market, but it never happened. AA/US did their best to keep them out.
 
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Tue Jan 30, 2018 6:49 am

crownvic wrote:
usairways85 wrote:
OslPhlWasChi wrote:

Again the gist is true but this is very exaggerated. See my post in this thread from 2 weeks ago.

The 2018 numbers are the lowest since 2004 or only 13 years ago (not 20-25). Also the 2017 passenger number should be around 29.5 million. PHL's annual passenger count has been nearly flat over the last 10 years and the highest annual passenger count ever experienced at PHL was 32.2 million in 2007. So 2017 traffic should be only about 8% lower then it's all time peak.

ZRH also will be year round service, not seasonal.

Yes, exaggerated a bit. But in a time where other major airports have large % increases, for PHL to be flat or down the past few years has resulted in the airport falling way behind in pax numbers.

PHL was really always a banked hub, but it is even more noticeable now. As mentioned there are certain hours with only a handful of flights. The admittedly unnecessary frequency to BOS, LGA, DCA, EWR was cut and subsequently the flights that filled in the gaps between banks.


And that is the point. While so many airports have seen nearly double digit growth the past 20 years, PHL has either been flat or down. Sort of strange for an airport that did not encounter a hub closure (like PIT, STL, CLE, etc.). I really thought WN was going to make a real push for PHL when they entered the market, but it never happened. AA/US did their best to keep them out.


Absolutely. Flat is certainly more significant when compared to growth. These are (now) accurate statements.
 
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Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:13 pm

PHX Dec-2017 numbers are out today;
Total 2017 pax: 43,921,670
International 2017 pax: 2,077,073
AAGR in 2017: 1.24%

Based on the current stats, MCO and MIA have overtaken PHX and PHX looks to be at #13. SEA, CLT, EWR have not yet reported their Dec-2017 numbers so we will come to know the exact standings when they report their details.
 
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Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:25 pm

LAXintl wrote:
LAX numbers are out.

Passenger Traffic Up 4.5 percent to 84.6M in 2017, International Traffic Up 8.7 %

http://labusinessjournal.com/news/2018/ ... ternation/

ATL has also reported their 2017 Dec numbers along with LAX.

ATL
Total pax: 103,902,992
International pax: 12,033,865
AAGR: -0.26%

LAX
Total pax: 84,557,968
International pax: 24,829,363
AAGR: 4.49%

ATL is going to be the undisputed leader again this year!
 
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Tue Jan 30, 2018 4:04 pm

SFO has reported their Dec-2017 numbers today.

Total pax: 55,832,518, International pax: 13,425,328, AAGR: 5.15%. SFO would rank at number 7 followed by LAS at #8.
 
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airzona11 wrote:
Thanks for sharing.

PHX has to have the most boring 40million. 737s and A320s with the occasional non AA/WN bird and the BA 747. Don't get me wrong, hometown airport, Love to see the numbers up.

The scale of passenger flights in the US is amazing. That is moving a lot of people.


I'm shocked PHX is busier than IAH and MIA. Would have thought those two were far larger.

iyerhari wrote:
Based on the current stats, MCO and MIA have overtaken PHX and PHX looks to be at #13. SEA, CLT, EWR have not yet reported their Dec-2017 numbers so we will come to know the exact standings when they report their details.


Most likely. A lot of PHX's traffic is front loaded in the first few months of the year. March is actually Sky Harbor's busiest month of the year.
 
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I'm shocked PHX is busier than IAH and MIA. Would have thought those two were far larger.

Most likely. A lot of PHX's traffic is front loaded in the first few months of the year. March is actually Sky Harbor's busiest month of the year.

For some reason, IAH has not had a very good 2017. They will not meet their 2016 numbers. I really cannot say by how much they are behind.

On your second comment on PHX traffic by months, PHX has seen even passenger movements ranging from 3.1 M through 3.8 M and you are correct, March was an exceptional month.
 
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Tue Jan 30, 2018 6:30 pm

iyerhari wrote:
777PHX wrote:
I'm shocked PHX is busier than IAH and MIA. Would have thought those two were far larger.

Most likely. A lot of PHX's traffic is front loaded in the first few months of the year. March is actually Sky Harbor's busiest month of the year.

For some reason, IAH has not had a very good 2017. They will not meet their 2016 numbers. I really cannot say by how much they are behind.

On your second comment on PHX traffic by months, PHX has seen even passenger movements ranging from 3.1 M through 3.8 M and you are correct, March was an exceptional month.


I'll bet the hurricane put a pretty big damper on travel for the remainder of the year for IAH.
 
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Tue Jan 30, 2018 7:13 pm

I agree with you on that but DFW is much much bigger than IAH - in the sense almost 1.75 times of DFW and consistently over several years. Both are big hubs and have their strengths and have used both airports multiple times. Does anyone know the reason for that?
 
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Tue Jan 30, 2018 7:19 pm

Lets remember UA has been vocal about traffic slowdown at IAH due energy industry last couple of years. Certainly, that was an ongoing issue even before the hurricane.
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Tue Jan 30, 2018 8:29 pm

What I find interesting, is that so many locations have 10% (roughly) international of their total. Of course, there are almost as many exceptions like JFK with over 50% and MIA at almost 50%. At the other end of that spectrum are DCA and MDW with something less than 4%.
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Tue Jan 30, 2018 9:18 pm

Surprised FLL has double the Int pax as MCO-or am I missing something
 
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Tue Jan 30, 2018 9:32 pm

iyerhari wrote:
I agree with you on that but DFW is much much bigger than IAH - in the sense almost 1.75 times of DFW and consistently over several years. Both are big hubs and have their strengths and have used both airports multiple times. Does anyone know the reason for that?

Several reasons. The main reason that comes to mind is the better geographic location of DFW over IAH. DFW is the center of the network for AA, much like Atlanta for Delta. IAH is not for UA. DFW should have its busiest year this year with around 67 million. The largest year ever at IAH was only 43 million. It's been this way for years, DFW has just always been a better performing hub.
 
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iyerhari wrote:
ATL
Total pax: 103,902,992
International pax: 12,033,865
AAGR: -0.26%

ATL is going to be the undisputed leader again this year!


That should not be the case. ATL is way over-inflated because DL routes almost half of its traffic through there. ATL should be closer to around 70 million.
 
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OneAA wrote:
iyerhari wrote:
I agree with you on that but DFW is much much bigger than IAH - in the sense almost 1.75 times of DFW and consistently over several years. Both are big hubs and have their strengths and have used both airports multiple times. Does anyone know the reason for that?

Several reasons. The main reason that comes to mind is the better geographic location of DFW over IAH. DFW is the center of the network for AA, much like Atlanta for Delta. IAH is not for UA. DFW should have its busiest year this year with around 67 million. The largest year ever at IAH was only 43 million. It's been this way for years, DFW has just always been a better performing hub.


Why is it that DFW isn't bigger as far as pax numbers? AA has its largest hub there at 800+ flights, only about 200 less than ATL, which has over 35,000,000 more passengers than DFW.
 
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Re: 2017 total passenger rankings for US large hub airports

Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:46 am

ADrum23 wrote:
iyerhari wrote:
ATL
Total pax: 103,902,992
International pax: 12,033,865
AAGR: -0.26%

ATL is going to be the undisputed leader again this year!


That should not be the case. ATL is way over-inflated because DL routes almost half of its traffic through there. ATL should be closer to around 70 million.

These numbers are from the ATL website:
http://www.atl.com/wp-content/uploads/2 ... c-2017.pdf

ATL is way too high compared to any airport! That is a fact!
 
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Re: 2017 total passenger rankings for US large hub airports

Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:49 am

ADrum23 wrote:
iyerhari wrote:
ATL
Total pax: 103,902,992
International pax: 12,033,865
AAGR: -0.26%

ATL is going to be the undisputed leader again this year!


That should not be the case. ATL is way over-inflated because DL routes almost half of its traffic through there. ATL should be closer to around 70 million.

Because that is a fact and not an assumption. You should check the website figures as that is what is used.

https://www.dfwairport.com/stats/P2_911395.pdf
 
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Re: 2017 total passenger rankings for US large hub airports

Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:50 am

iyerhari wrote:
ADrum23 wrote:
iyerhari wrote:
ATL
Total pax: 103,902,992
International pax: 12,033,865
AAGR: -0.26%

ATL is going to be the undisputed leader again this year!


That should not be the case. ATL is way over-inflated because DL routes almost half of its traffic through there. ATL should be closer to around 70 million.

These numbers are from the ATL website:
http://www.atl.com/wp-content/uploads/2 ... c-2017.pdf

ATL is way too high compared to any airport! That is a fact!


No, I meant 70 million is what it should be if DL right-sized the operation at ATL. 1,000+ flights on one carrier is way too much. They should cut 200 flights to around 800, bring it closer to what AA has at DFW.
 
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Re: 2017 total passenger rankings for US large hub airports

Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:51 am

ADrum23 wrote:
iyerhari wrote:
ADrum23 wrote:

That should not be the case. ATL is way over-inflated because DL routes almost half of its traffic through there. ATL should be closer to around 70 million.

These numbers are from the ATL website:
http://www.atl.com/wp-content/uploads/2 ... c-2017.pdf

ATL is way too high compared to any airport! That is a fact!


No, I meant 70 million is what it should be if DL right-sized the operation at ATL. 1,000+ flights on one carrier is way too much. They should cut 200 flights to around 800, bring it closer to what AA has at DFW.

Sorry I misinterpreted your question. I agree with the you - ATL DL operations are massive and almost 90+ % operation is Dl.
 
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Re: 2017 total passenger rankings for US large hub airports

Wed Jan 31, 2018 2:07 am

ok folks, I've taken everything that iyerhari has sent me recently along with the updates i've seen above and I have created the analysis below, the top 29 (for now).
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B61t8 ... XhIV2ttSkk

To make a fair(ish) comparison for the year as a whole and against prior year, where airports have not published their Dec 17 numbers, I have estimated the remaining pax based on their current run rates to November. It's not perfect, but it will get it directionally correct. All numbers have been cross-checked with the various sites to be certain.

Enjoy.
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Re: 2017 total passenger rankings for US large hub airports

Wed Jan 31, 2018 2:19 am

ADrum23 wrote:
OneAA wrote:
iyerhari wrote:
I agree with you on that but DFW is much much bigger than IAH - in the sense almost 1.75 times of DFW and consistently over several years. Both are big hubs and have their strengths and have used both airports multiple times. Does anyone know the reason for that?

Several reasons. The main reason that comes to mind is the better geographic location of DFW over IAH. DFW is the center of the network for AA, much like Atlanta for Delta. IAH is not for UA. DFW should have its busiest year this year with around 67 million. The largest year ever at IAH was only 43 million. It's been this way for years, DFW has just always been a better performing hub.


Why is it that DFW isn't bigger as far as pax numbers? AA has its largest hub there at 800+ flights, only about 200 less than ATL, which has over 35,000,000 more passengers than DFW.

Remember, Atlanta has only one airport. DFW has two....DFW at 67 million and Love Field, home of Southwest at 16 million.
 
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Re: 2017 total passenger rankings for US large hub airports

Wed Jan 31, 2018 2:47 am

OneAA wrote:
ADrum23 wrote:
OneAA wrote:
Several reasons. The main reason that comes to mind is the better geographic location of DFW over IAH. DFW is the center of the network for AA, much like Atlanta for Delta. IAH is not for UA. DFW should have its busiest year this year with around 67 million. The largest year ever at IAH was only 43 million. It's been this way for years, DFW has just always been a better performing hub.


Why is it that DFW isn't bigger as far as pax numbers? AA has its largest hub there at 800+ flights, only about 200 less than ATL, which has over 35,000,000 more passengers than DFW.

Remember, Atlanta has only one airport. DFW has two....DFW at 67 million and Love Field, home of Southwest at 16 million.


And if you consolidated everyone at DFW (which they should), it would still be about 20 million fewer than ATL.
 
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Re: 2017 total passenger rankings for US large hub airports

Wed Jan 31, 2018 2:59 am

Salt Lake City has announced numbers for 2017:

https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics/20 ... s-in-2017/

Total PAX: 24,196,816, an increase of 4.5%.

International PAX: 913,628, an increase of 20%.

A great year for SLC, especially considering that the TRP is in full swing and the south arm of the E concourse has been torn down in an airport that has a design capacity of 12m PAX / year and has been growing despite additional strain.

The numbers are buried in a SLCDA board report but connecting growth has been nearly stagnant (1.3%) as part of an agreement with Delta to cap connecting capacity; O/D increased by 7.6% if I remember correctly, which is great for a legacy airline. SLC continues to be a well-managed, profitable hub building brand new facilities and up until last year had a billion dollar cash storage. Go SLC! I'm excited for connecting capacity to increase in 2020 when the capacity of the airport increases - if we see a continuous 4% growth, SLC will reach 31.7m PAX in 6 years, and if we match connecting capacity to O/D growth at 7.5%, (which is to be expected due to new capacity coming online and the profitability Delta enjoys here), SLC will see 41m PAX in 2023.
 
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Re: 2017 total passenger rankings for US large hub airports

Wed Jan 31, 2018 3:28 pm

jubguy3 wrote:
Salt Lake City has announced numbers for 2017:

https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics/20 ... s-in-2017/

Total PAX: 24,196,816, an increase of 4.5%.

International PAX: 913,628, an increase of 20%.

A great year for SLC, especially considering that the TRP is in full swing and the south arm of the E concourse has been torn down in an airport that has a design capacity of 12m PAX / year and has been growing despite additional strain.


SLC has probably gone up one notch considering to number 24 compared to 25 from last year. International pax as a percent of total pax: 3.78%. Will take a close watch when all the other airports start reporting their Dec-2017 numbers.

If anyone is checking your respective home airports latest stats, please do give a shout here :)
 
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Re: 2017 total passenger rankings for US large hub airports

Wed Jan 31, 2018 4:32 pm

VS4ever wrote:
ok folks, I've taken everything that iyerhari has sent me recently along with the updates i've seen above and I have created the analysis below, the top 29 (for now).
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B61t8 ... XhIV2ttSkk

To make a fair(ish) comparison for the year as a whole and against prior year, where airports have not published their Dec 17 numbers, I have estimated the remaining pax based on their current run rates to November. It's not perfect, but it will get it directionally correct. All numbers have been cross-checked with the various sites to be certain.

Enjoy.


Thanks for putting this together...

FYI Chicago hasn't posted on their site yet but the Tribune published the total numbers last week:

ORD 2017 - 79.8 million
MDW 2017 - 22.4 million

The ORD number is good for a 2.4% increase over 2016. Don't see the international and domestic broken out yet.
 
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Re: 2017 total passenger rankings for US large hub airports

Wed Jan 31, 2018 5:05 pm

13,072,245 at OAK. ~1 mil increase on 2016. http://content.govdelivery.com/bulletin ... AK-1d71d23
 
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Re: 2017 total passenger rankings for US large hub airports

Wed Jan 31, 2018 5:32 pm

It looks like DEN may overtake DFW in total Passengers in the near future ... wow!
 
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Re: 2017 total passenger rankings for US large hub airports

Wed Jan 31, 2018 6:31 pm

777PHX wrote:
airzona11 wrote:
Thanks for sharing.

PHX has to have the most boring 40million. 737s and A320s with the occasional non AA/WN bird and the BA 747. Don't get me wrong, hometown airport, Love to see the numbers up.

The scale of passenger flights in the US is amazing. That is moving a lot of people.


I'm shocked PHX is busier than IAH and MIA. Would have thought those two were far larger.


Both Miami and Houston have multiple airports, though. And while Phoenix has Mesa, it's just Allegiant and WestJet.

FLL today, IIRC, is busier than MIA was in 2001, which is nuts.
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Re: 2017 total passenger rankings for US large hub airports

Wed Jan 31, 2018 6:55 pm

jbpdx wrote:
PDX Portland International Airport

“PDX ended the 2017 calendar year with 19,080,494 passengers, our fifth year of record
passenger traffic and a 4% increase over calendar year 2016.”

Full report not yet posted.

PDX full report posted. PDX has climbed and above TPA this year. I have no clue about HNL airport as they post a consolidated report for the year - with that info PDX is now ranked 28 and above TPA.

Total pax: 19,080,494
International pax: 747,217
AAGR in 2017: 3.97%
 
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Re: 2017 total passenger rankings for US large hub airports

Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:06 pm

SJC just in for 2017 at 12,480,232 AAGR up 15.6% from 2016. Wow!

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