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freakyrat wrote:Looks like a study is going to be cnducted on the feasibility of using SBN as an International freight hub as an alternative to ORD.
https://www.southbendtribune.com/news/l ... 807c6.html
jetskipper wrote:freakyrat wrote:Looks like a study is going to be cnducted on the feasibility of using SBN as an International freight hub as an alternative to ORD.
https://www.southbendtribune.com/news/l ... 807c6.html
They mention that a roadblock will be getting freight railroad service to the southwest side of the airport. What isn’t mentioned is runway limitations. The current length of runway 9R/27L is just over 8400 ft, to compare runway 27L/9R is 7900 ft and almost never used by heavies, despite being the preferred runway for north departures which all Asian and European flights are. I don’t know what difference the additional 500 feet makes as well as projected takeoff weights of the proposed SBN flights, but hopefully it won’t be an issue. I’m assuming all Asian flight would stop in ANC and the farthest European flight would be to LUX or FRA, so it may not matter.
freakyrat wrote:jetskipper wrote:freakyrat wrote:Looks like a study is going to be cnducted on the feasibility of using SBN as an International freight hub as an alternative to ORD.
https://www.southbendtribune.com/news/l ... 807c6.html
They mention that a roadblock will be getting freight railroad service to the southwest side of the airport. What isn’t mentioned is runway limitations. The current length of runway 9R/27L is just over 8400 ft, to compare runway 27L/9R is 7900 ft and almost never used by heavies, despite being the preferred runway for north departures which all Asian and European flights are. I don’t know what difference the additional 500 feet makes as well as projected takeoff weights of the proposed SBN flights, but hopefully it won’t be an issue. I’m assuming all Asian flight would stop in ANC and the farthest European flight would be to LUX or FRA, so it may not matter.
I think you mean runway 18/36 the North South Runway is 7100ft but can be extended to 9,000 ft. Projected takeoff weights off of 9R/27lL would not be a problem with Asian flights stopping in Anchorage as Boeing 767/Airbus A330 aircraft fly football charters in and out of SBN off that Rwy.
On the passenger side of things regarding Cancun flights, I wonder if Allegiant, Sun Country or Spirit would be reluctant to operate these flights now with the narco terrorism problems in the Yucatan?
On the domestic front, The airport is reinstalling the jetbridge on Gate 2 for American. American Eagle flights will use Gates 2 and 3 and Allegiant will share Gate 3 for their overflows.
jetskipper wrote:freakyrat wrote:jetskipper wrote:
They mention that a roadblock will be getting freight railroad service to the southwest side of the airport. What isn’t mentioned is runway limitations. The current length of runway 9R/27L is just over 8400 ft, to compare runway 27L/9R is 7900 ft and almost never used by heavies, despite being the preferred runway for north departures which all Asian and European flights are. I don’t know what difference the additional 500 feet makes as well as projected takeoff weights of the proposed SBN flights, but hopefully it won’t be an issue. I’m assuming all Asian flight would stop in ANC and the farthest European flight would be to LUX or FRA, so it may not matter.
I think you mean runway 18/36 the North South Runway is 7100ft but can be extended to 9,000 ft. Projected takeoff weights off of 9R/27lL would not be a problem with Asian flights stopping in Anchorage as Boeing 767/Airbus A330 aircraft fly football charters in and out of SBN off that Rwy.
On the passenger side of things regarding Cancun flights, I wonder if Allegiant, Sun Country or Spirit would be reluctant to operate these flights now with the narco terrorism problems in the Yucatan?
On the domestic front, The airport is reinstalling the jetbridge on Gate 2 for American. American Eagle flights will use Gates 2 and 3 and Allegiant will share Gate 3 for their overflows.
How many jetways will there be in tota after 2 is installed?
freakyrat wrote:United will be resuming their seasonal afternoon SBN-EWR flight from September thru December. This flight is very popular with Notre Dame students and football fans
enilria OAG Changes 3/25/2018: AirChina Adds IAH-PTY w/773;UA Adds PQI-EWR, MisFiles or Drops 3 ORD Markets;4O Adds BJX-SAT/IAH wrote:UA EWR-SBN SEP 1.0>1.7 OCT 1.0>1.9
jworks158 wrote:Question for SBN historians, I used to fly AA ORD-SBN when I was 3-5 years old. I also at a time flew US SBN-PIT, what aircraft were used to operate these routes at the time they were canceled, and what year were they canceled?
freakyrat wrote:Good news for SBN. Allegiant's transition to an All Airbus A320 family schedule out of SBN is almost complete starting in April Allegiant's LAS flights transition to A319 aircraft. This leaves SFB as the only flights operated by the MD80.
freakyrat wrote:jworks158 wrote:Question for SBN historians, I used to fly AA ORD-SBN when I was 3-5 years old. I also at a time flew US SBN-PIT, what aircraft were used to operate these routes at the time they were canceled, and what year were they canceled?
Both airlines operated Embraer 145 aircraft when they closed up shop in South Bend around 2003.
jworks158 wrote:freakyrat wrote:jworks158 wrote:Question for SBN historians, I used to fly AA ORD-SBN when I was 3-5 years old. I also at a time flew US SBN-PIT, what aircraft were used to operate these routes at the time they were canceled, and what year were they canceled?
Both airlines operated Embraer 145 aircraft when they closed up shop in South Bend around 2003.
What type of prop aircraft did they fly in to SBN before closing shop?
jworks158 wrote:freakyrat wrote:jworks158 wrote:Question for SBN historians, I used to fly AA ORD-SBN when I was 3-5 years old. I also at a time flew US SBN-PIT, what aircraft were used to operate these routes at the time they were canceled, and what year were they canceled?
Both airlines operated Embraer 145 aircraft when they closed up shop in South Bend around 2003.
What type of prop aircraft did they fly in to SBN before closing shop?
freakyrat wrote:jworks158 wrote:freakyrat wrote:
Both airlines operated Embraer 145 aircraft when they closed up shop in South Bend around 2003.
What type of prop aircraft did they fly in to SBN before closing shop?
they also flew Shorts 360's to ORD.
jworks158 wrote:freakyrat wrote:jworks158 wrote:
What type of prop aircraft did they fly in to SBN before closing shop?
they also flew Shorts 360's to ORD.
When did they stop flying short 360's?
jworks158 wrote:freakyrat wrote:jworks158 wrote:Question for SBN historians, I used to fly AA ORD-SBN when I was 3-5 years old. I also at a time flew US SBN-PIT, what aircraft were used to operate these routes at the time they were canceled, and what year were they canceled?
Both airlines operated Embraer 145 aircraft when they closed up shop in South Bend around 2003.
What type of prop aircraft did they fly in to SBN before closing shop?
jetskipper wrote:jworks158 wrote:freakyrat wrote:
Both airlines operated Embraer 145 aircraft when they closed up shop in South Bend around 2003.
What type of prop aircraft did they fly in to SBN before closing shop?
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I seem to remember American eagle operating SBN-BNA in the early 90’s with a mix of Jetstream 31s as well as the previously noted Saabs.
freakyrat wrote:One of my friends flew for TW Express and he flew on the run from STL-SBN on a Jetstream 41,
jetskipper wrote:jworks158 wrote:freakyrat wrote:
Both airlines operated Embraer 145 aircraft when they closed up shop in South Bend around 2003.
What type of prop aircraft did they fly in to SBN before closing shop?
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I seem to remember American eagle operating SBN-BNA in the early 90’s with a mix of Jetstream 31s as well as the previously noted Saabs.
cleared2land wrote:jetskipper wrote:jworks158 wrote:
What type of prop aircraft did they fly in to SBN before closing shop?
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I seem to remember American eagle operating SBN-BNA in the early 90’s with a mix of Jetstream 31s as well as the previously noted Saabs.
I lived near the approach path to 27L in high school when I was learning to fly. I followed SBN to an obsessive extent.
USAir ran DC9s and F100s to PIT to until the end when the ERJ 145 was used. Eagle ran mainly ATRs but sometimes used 340Bs. I never remember seeing Eagle use the 360 from 1995 onward. United Feeder Service ran the jumbo Jetstream (ATP) to ORD and Air Wisconsin used the Avro. Northwest Airlink ran a mix of 340Bs and ARJs to DTW and CRJs to MSP. NWA ran DC9s to DTW. Delta / Delta Connection used the CRJ to ATL, 737-200 and CRJ to CVG but in the early 2000s the Do328 Jet was used on some runs. MidwestExpress ran the 1900 to MKE and DAY. STL was run initially by TW Express with the ATR, later by AA with the ATR and in the end it might have been an RJ of some sort. MDW was run by Chicago Express on the 340B. For a very short time SBN-CMH was run by HP on the 1900. CLE was run by Continental Express on the 1900.
I think That's all, lol.
jetskipper wrote:cleared2land wrote:jetskipper wrote:
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I seem to remember American eagle operating SBN-BNA in the early 90’s with a mix of Jetstream 31s as well as the previously noted Saabs.
I lived near the approach path to 27L in high school when I was learning to fly. I followed SBN to an obsessive extent.
USAir ran DC9s and F100s to PIT to until the end when the ERJ 145 was used. Eagle ran mainly ATRs but sometimes used 340Bs. I never remember seeing Eagle use the 360 from 1995 onward. United Feeder Service ran the jumbo Jetstream (ATP) to ORD and Air Wisconsin used the Avro. Northwest Airlink ran a mix of 340Bs and ARJs to DTW and CRJs to MSP. NWA ran DC9s to DTW. Delta / Delta Connection used the CRJ to ATL, 737-200 and CRJ to CVG but in the early 2000s the Do328 Jet was used on some runs. MidwestExpress ran the 1900 to MKE and DAY. STL was run initially by TW Express with the ATR, later by AA with the ATR and in the end it might have been an RJ of some sort. MDW was run by Chicago Express on the 340B. For a very short time SBN-CMH was run by HP on the 1900. CLE was run by Continental Express on the 1900.
I think That's all, lol.
Both USAir and Delta also used DC-9-30s on the SBN-PIT and SBN-CVG legs respectively. Also, at the time USAir has an extensive Indiana network operating IND-SBN/FWA/EVV with J-31s, IND-EVV even had a DC-9 for one of the flights. After USAir, Chicago Express moved their operation from MDW to IND to feed ATA and operated at least SBN and FWA to IND on the Saab 340. Before Chicago Express, Midway Connection operated SBN-MDW on the D-228.
cleared2land wrote:jetskipper wrote:cleared2land wrote:
I lived near the approach path to 27L in high school when I was learning to fly. I followed SBN to an obsessive extent.
USAir ran DC9s and F100s to PIT to until the end when the ERJ 145 was used. Eagle ran mainly ATRs but sometimes used 340Bs. I never remember seeing Eagle use the 360 from 1995 onward. United Feeder Service ran the jumbo Jetstream (ATP) to ORD and Air Wisconsin used the Avro. Northwest Airlink ran a mix of 340Bs and ARJs to DTW and CRJs to MSP. NWA ran DC9s to DTW. Delta / Delta Connection used the CRJ to ATL, 737-200 and CRJ to CVG but in the early 2000s the Do328 Jet was used on some runs. MidwestExpress ran the 1900 to MKE and DAY. STL was run initially by TW Express with the ATR, later by AA with the ATR and in the end it might have been an RJ of some sort. MDW was run by Chicago Express on the 340B. For a very short time SBN-CMH was run by HP on the 1900. CLE was run by Continental Express on the 1900.
I think That's all, lol.
Both USAir and Delta also used DC-9-30s on the SBN-PIT and SBN-CVG legs respectively. Also, at the time USAir has an extensive Indiana network operating IND-SBN/FWA/EVV with J-31s, IND-EVV even had a DC-9 for one of the flights. After USAir, Chicago Express moved their operation from MDW to IND to feed ATA and operated at least SBN and FWA to IND on the Saab 340. Before Chicago Express, Midway Connection operated SBN-MDW on the D-228.
I did forget USAir's IND route on the J31. I don't ever remember Delta running the DC9 into SBN. Must have been before 1995 when I moved there.
jetskipper wrote:freakyrat wrote:Looks like a study is going to be cnducted on the feasibility of using SBN as an International freight hub as an alternative to ORD.
https://www.southbendtribune.com/news/l ... 807c6.html
They mention that a roadblock will be getting freight railroad service to the southwest side of the airport. What isn’t mentioned is runway limitations. The current length of runway 9R/27L is just over 8400 ft, to compare runway 27L/9R is 7900 ft and almost never used by heavies, despite being the preferred runway for north departures which all Asian and European flights are. I don’t know what difference the additional 500 feet makes as well as projected takeoff weights of the proposed SBN flights, but hopefully it won’t be an issue. I’m assuming all Asian flight would stop in ANC and the farthest European flight would be to LUX or FRA, so it may not matter.
capitalflyer wrote:jetskipper wrote:freakyrat wrote:Looks like a study is going to be cnducted on the feasibility of using SBN as an International freight hub as an alternative to ORD.
https://www.southbendtribune.com/news/l ... 807c6.html
They mention that a roadblock will be getting freight railroad service to the southwest side of the airport. What isn’t mentioned is runway limitations. The current length of runway 9R/27L is just over 8400 ft, to compare runway 27L/9R is 7900 ft and almost never used by heavies, despite being the preferred runway for north departures which all Asian and European flights are. I don’t know what difference the additional 500 feet makes as well as projected takeoff weights of the proposed SBN flights, but hopefully it won’t be an issue. I’m assuming all Asian flight would stop in ANC and the farthest European flight would be to LUX or FRA, so it may not matter.
Does SBN already own the 400 acres in question? It looks to me like their are two trailer parks and a few other houses in the area between the airport and LWW. THAT will be your roadblock. Railroad is just laying track.
freakyrat wrote:Looks like SBN is finally going to go to a CUTE system with all gates Common Use. This includes installation of computers at each gate position including the old Gates 1, 2, 3, and 4.
http://flysbn.com/wp-content/uploads/20 ... Ad-pdf.pdf
Here is something else. SBN is going to remove the jetbridge at gate 9 and move it to Gate 2 and purchase a refurbished Jetbridge for Gate 9 and reinstall it. I do not know why they just do not purchase a new bridge for Gate 2. Pretty soon they will have to purchase a bridge for 4 also.
freakyrat wrote:Starting around June 11th the 12:15 PM. Delta South Bend-Atlanta flight is going to be upgraded to a CRJ900 aircraft operated by Endeavor Air. Here's hoping this will start the phaseout of the CRJ200 at least on SBN-ATL where load factors are extremely high.
SumChristianus wrote:freakyrat wrote:Starting around June 11th the 12:15 PM. Delta South Bend-Atlanta flight is going to be upgraded to a CRJ900 aircraft operated by Endeavor Air. Here's hoping this will start the phaseout of the CRJ200 at least on SBN-ATL where load factors are extremely high.
Great to see. Do you have any idea if FWA-ATL will see a similar upgrade? Are you losing a frequency to compensate?
freakyrat wrote:Starting around June 11th the 12:15 PM. Delta South Bend-Atlanta flight is going to be upgraded to a CRJ900 aircraft operated by Endeavor Air. Here's hoping this will start the phaseout of the CRJ200 at least on SBN-ATL where load factors are extremely high.
jetskipper wrote:[twoid][/twoid]freakyrat wrote:Starting around June 11th the 12:15 PM. Delta South Bend-Atlanta flight is going to be upgraded to a CRJ900 aircraft operated by Endeavor Air. Here's hoping this will start the phaseout of the CRJ200 at least on SBN-ATL where load factors are extremely high.
Great news. That’s means that both AA and DL will offer First Class seats out of SBN. I wonder if UA will follow suit with the reintroduction of the E-170 to ORD or EWR.
freakyrat wrote:SBN just issued a 300 page PDF file for the complete replacement of all airport signage. This appears to be a massive project and may entail paved sholders on all runways and taxiways relocation of all Runway and Taxiway lighting. Painting of all IATA compliant pavement markings etc. and what appears to be installation of a new Precision Approach (ILS) to Runway 36 with MALSR. I believe they will also go to LED lighting on the airport. Next PDF should be issued shortly for a contract for the Air Carrier Ramp Pavement rebuild.
freakyrat wrote:SBN is about to embark on a massive terminal remodeling plan. Here is the concept. This airport is going to look magnificent if everything and the plan is brought to fruition http://flysbn.com/wp-content/uploads/20 ... ooklet.pdf
jetskipper wrote:Looks like UA is ending FWA-EWR in July. Two east coast cities may have been too much.