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Re: What's Next For TPA (Route Wise)?--2018

Fri Feb 16, 2018 12:17 am

Flyingstump wrote:
neomax wrote:
Also, SkyConnect opened yesterday. Anyone check it out yet?


Yes. I wasn't very impressed by the train/automated mover itself. I have always been a huge fan of the automated people movers from Bombardier that connect each concourse to the terminal but figured that the Mitsubishi train/people mover would be a step up from those rubber-wheel people movers. After riding the train, it seemed to be about the same experience in terms of speed and smoothness (not very smooth), and the trains actually seem cramped due to the amount of people that will use them.

The rental car facility is nice and impressive, and the economy garage is large and provides much more capacity for parking. If nothing else, the rental car facility is a huge upgrade.

From a user-experience, ease-of-use perspective, this is a good upgrade for those who use the economy parking garage (3 min train service vs shuttle bus service), but it definitely adds time to the rental car experience (walking across the street to get a car vs walking to station, waiting in line to catch a train, and then riding in a cramped train on a somewhat bumpy line while standing up).

Again, overall, it's fine for now, and time will tell if it becomes a hassle for travelers or not. But, for now, congratulations to Joe Lopano and the staff at TPA.


Not to mention the question of how it’s used in 5-10 years with continued transportation disruption.
 
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Re: What's Next For TPA (Route Wise)?--2018

Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:19 am

Bahamasair is using Downtown Tampa skyline in an ad on its homepage currently. Would really love to see this route to NAS commence.

Otherwise, PDX the big hole. With LAX filling up as well as LAS. PDX is the hole, with SFO/Bay Area and SEA last for expansion/capacity increase.

I've always said Canada seems like a major hole, especially west Canada. Outside of Central and South America/Caribbean and Europe, I think Canada should be a focus.
 
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Re: What's Next For TPA (Route Wise)?--2018

Sun Feb 18, 2018 4:10 am

Good Evening all!

Just a heads up if anyone is going to TPA tomorrow to do some plane spotting, Air Transat tomorrow starts it's seasonal weekly service with it's two flights to YYZ and YUL respectively. Hopefully someone can get a pic or two since I'll be working right in the middle of it.

Cheers!
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Re: What's Next For TPA (Route Wise)?--2018

Wed Feb 21, 2018 11:58 pm

Icelandair about to increase frequency at TPA from sounds like it.

"Tampa International Airport is expected to announce Thursday that Icelandair is expanding service to Iceland, the airport said on Wednesday"

https://www.bizjournals.com/tampabay/ne ... anded.html
 
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Re: What's Next For TPA (Route Wise)?--2018

Thu Feb 22, 2018 4:49 pm

BTVB6Flyer wrote:
Icelandair about to increase frequency at TPA from sounds like it.

"Tampa International Airport is expected to announce Thursday that Icelandair is expanding service to Iceland, the airport said on Wednesday"

https://www.bizjournals.com/tampabay/ne ... anded.html


Good stuff. Tampa is really doing a good job at landing new air service that is viable and able to grow. I was curious to see what would happen with this route after it seemed to go from year round to seasonal. Does anyone have any numbers to show the route's performance so far?
 
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Re: What's Next For TPA (Route Wise)?--2018

Thu Feb 22, 2018 8:22 pm

Icelandair is doubling service to 4x weekly. Good news for a route that is only a few months out the gate. No word on whether or not it will go year round as originally intended. Right now, the plan is to suspend service in the summer, between 12 June and 5 September (ie during the peak summer travel schedule).
 
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Re: What's Next For TPA (Route Wise)?--2018

Thu Feb 22, 2018 8:54 pm

Article in the Tampa Bay business journal. It does not mention whether or not it will go year round nor does it mention what days the flights will take place.

https://www.bizjournals.com/tampabay/ne ... rease.html
 
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Re: What's Next For TPA (Route Wise)?--2018

Thu Feb 22, 2018 9:05 pm

Flyingstump wrote:
neomax wrote:
Also, SkyConnect opened yesterday. Anyone check it out yet?


Yes. I wasn't very impressed by the train/automated mover itself. I have always been a huge fan of the automated people movers from Bombardier that connect each concourse to the terminal but figured that the Mitsubishi train/people mover would be a step up from those rubber-wheel people movers. After riding the train, it seemed to be about the same experience in terms of speed and smoothness (not very smooth), and the trains actually seem cramped due to the amount of people that will use them.

The rental car facility is nice and impressive, and the economy garage is large and provides much more capacity for parking. If nothing else, the rental car facility is a huge upgrade.

From a user-experience, ease-of-use perspective, this is a good upgrade for those who use the economy parking garage (3 min train service vs shuttle bus service), but it definitely adds time to the rental car experience (walking across the street to get a car vs walking to station, waiting in line to catch a train, and then riding in a cramped train on a somewhat bumpy line while standing up).

Again, overall, it's fine for now, and time will tell if it becomes a hassle for travelers or not. But, for now, congratulations to Joe Lopano and the staff at TPA.


I see problems. While the rental car space is nice and spacious, it now takes longer because of the time it takes the bumpy train to get to the facility.. And, the train will be crowded. It appears to me that it may be insufficient already. It was packed when I was on it and there was no big, national event taking place--just a normal Tuesday. I can see chaos coming in the fall. And it is bumpy. That's a puzzler since it cost almost a billion dollars. You would think they could get a smoother ride out of the thing.
 
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Re: What's Next For TPA (Route Wise)?--2018

Fri Feb 23, 2018 3:42 pm

This is the third and most interesting article the business journal has written related to Icelandair adding flights to Tampa.
https://www.bizjournals.com/tampabay/ne ... ights.html

Highlights:
- Flights to leave Tampa on Monday, Thursday, Saturday, and Sunday
- Incredible demand for the route
- Surprising business demand
- Per TPA officials, the main reason people come to Tampa is because the know someone who has a house in the area
- Visit Tampa Bay considers regions in Western Europe and Scandinavia to be key emerging markets
- Per Visit St Pete-Clearwater, 5 year history with Icelandair

Quotes:
"The decision to expand the number of flights was made largely because demand has been 'incredible,' Raucheisen said. But, that demand was also 'surprising' in one respect, he said. 'Certainly, you expect the leisure traveler, even from Europe you expect the leisure traveler to come to Florida to see the beaches and sun and fun. But, the business market is there.'" - Michael Raucheisen, North American spokesman for Icelandair
"'Our five-year history with Icelandair proves we were sowing these seeds long before a flight came to light,' said David Downing, CEO of Visit St. Pete-Clearwater. 'But, we always knew the potential for this flight to play into our larger strategy of growing our largest intentional feeder markets in the U.K. and Europe and we will realize that potential in the months and years to come.'" - David Downing, CEO of Visit St. Pete-Clearwater

So this route seems to be a slam dunk for both TPA and FI. The continued narrative for new routes seems to be that there is untapped demand, it takes several years to convince an airline to start the route, and then the airline experiences immediate success and/or expands service. The on exception to this I can think of is Copa when they first started, but now they have developed the route and are expanding service as well.

With that being said, I think FI is really going to help with exposing Europeans to the area and growing the demand for Tampa Bay as a regular vacation destination (Just like many see Orlando and Miami). Hopefully FI sees continued success on the route, but it would also be nice if other carriers taking a look at TPA would pull the trigger sooner rather than later. Thoughts?
 
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Re: What's Next For TPA (Route Wise)?--2018

Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:37 pm

Last minute WN seasonal addition: BOS-TPA. Not sure how long it sticks around, but a nice one. They've been on quite a roll at TPA over the last few months, with adds to LAX/SAN/DTW/OMA/BOS. Few expansion options will be left, without looking internationally. WN is now up to 122 daily flights to 43 cities.
 
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Re: What's Next For TPA (Route Wise)?--2018

Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:28 pm

Nice! How long is the route seasonal for and what’s the frequency? I assume it’s 1 daily.
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Re: What's Next For TPA (Route Wise)?--2018

Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:31 pm

axiom wrote:
Last minute WN seasonal addition: BOS-TPA. Not sure how long it sticks around, but a nice one. They've been on quite a roll at TPA over the last few months, with adds to LAX/SAN/DTW/OMA/BOS. Few expansion options will be left, without looking internationally. WN is now up to 122 daily flights to 43 cities.


WN could still add nonstop service to TPA from ABQ, CVG, CLE, ORF, OAK, OKC, RIC, and IAD.
 
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Re: What's Next For TPA (Route Wise)?--2018

Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:34 pm

avi8 wrote:
Nice! How long is the route seasonal for and what’s the frequency? I assume it’s 1 daily.


It's once daily, but only loaded for a few weeks in April at present. Given how this just appeared, I can't speculate if we'll see an extension or if this is just an opportunistic, peak of peak season add. Still cool, and unexpected. WN doesn't have the advantage in BOS, after all. And competition on TPA-BOS is higher than ever. The day WN starts service, they'll face 4x on B6, 2x on DL, and 1x on NK.
 
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Re: What's Next For TPA (Route Wise)?--2018

Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:37 pm

jplatts wrote:
axiom wrote:
Last minute WN seasonal addition: BOS-TPA. Not sure how long it sticks around, but a nice one. They've been on quite a roll at TPA over the last few months, with adds to LAX/SAN/DTW/OMA/BOS. Few expansion options will be left, without looking internationally. WN is now up to 122 daily flights to 43 cities.


WN could still add nonstop service to TPA from ABQ, CVG, CLE, ORF, OAK, OKC, RIC, and IAD.


WN has previously served TPA-ABQ/IAD/ORF. ABQ is long and thin and struggles to hold down MCO, and IAD was swapped for DCA.

ORF should come back, even if only weekend seasonal. It was long served daily - I suspect military traffic fueled it.

OAK feels far more possible now that WN has jumped into LAX/SAN. OKC seasonally may fly. CVG and CLE are very big markets to TPA, but face a lot of fare pressure - it depends on how keen WN is to win business traffic in those markets.
 
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Re: What's Next For TPA (Route Wise)?--2018

Wed Mar 07, 2018 1:31 am

axiom wrote:
WN has previously served TPA-ABQ/IAD/ORF. ABQ is long and thin and struggles to hold down MCO, and IAD was swapped for DCA.


WN recently brought back IAD-MCO nonstop service, and WN recently also added IAD-FLL nonstop service. The possibility of WN bringing back IAD-TPA nonstop service might still be there with WN serving MCO and FLL nonstop from IAD, DCA, and BWI.

axiom wrote:
CVG and CLE are very big markets to TPA, but face a lot of fare pressure - it depends on how keen WN is to win business traffic in those markets.


There is enough demand for WN to add CVG-TPA nonstop service with F9 doing CVG-TPA nonstop service on a less than daily basis, with DL only doing 1 daily nonstop in each direction between CVG and TPA, and with the demand for CVG-TPA exceeding the capacity available on the DL CVG-TPA nonstops. WN would also be able to connect passengers to FLL through TPA from CVG if WN adds CVG-TPA nonstop service.

There was an average of 387 passengers a day who traveled between CVG and TPA in Q2 2017 according to the DOT Domestic Airline Consumer Airfare Report, and this figure excludes travel on the G4 CVG-PIE nonstops. There will only be 220 seats per day available on the DL CVG-TPA nonstops in Summer 2018, and the demand for CVG-TPA exceeds the number of seats available on the DL CVG-TPA nonstops by 167 seats per day.

There is even more demand to TPA from CLE than there is from CVG, and in addition, TPA will only have 1 daily nonstop from CLE on F9 in Summer 2018. There was an average of 531 passengers a day who traveled between CLE and TPA in Q2 2017 according to the DOT Domestic Airline Consumer Airfare Report, and this figure excludes travel on the G4 CLE-PIE nonstops. There will only be 460 seats available on the F9 CLE-TPA nonstops, and the demand for CLE-TPA exceeds the number of seats available on the F9 CLE-TPA nonstops by 71 seats per day.

WN has been at CLE for over 26 years, and the demand for WN service has been increasing in the CLE market since the UA dehubbing at CLE. UA has also discontinued CLE-TPA nonstop service, and NK will not be operating CLE-TPA seasonal nonstop service in Summer 2018. There is room for WN to add CLE-TPA nonstop service with F9 being the only airline to operate CLE-TPA nonstop service year-round, with the demand for CLE-TPA exceeding the number of seats available on the F9 CLE-TPA nonstop flights, with demand for WN service increasing in the CLE market, and with WN having been at CLE for over 2 decades.
 
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Re: What's Next For TPA (Route Wise)?--2018

Wed Mar 28, 2018 4:40 am

axiom wrote:
WN is now up to 122 daily flights to 43 cities.


TheTPA facebook page says 148 daily flights to 41 cities
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Re: What's Next For TPA (Route Wise)?--2018

Wed Mar 28, 2018 4:55 am

727LOVER wrote:
axiom wrote:
WN is now up to 122 daily flights to 43 cities.


TheTPA facebook page says 148 daily flights to 41 cities


FNT is ending, and they may not be counting BOS seasonal service, since it seems unofficial / unannounced. As for the difference in flight numbers, my source was the WN website's City Fscf page, but all the better. That would make TPA one of WN's top ten stations on peak days, I imagine.
 
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Re: What's Next For TPA (Route Wise)?--2018

Wed Mar 28, 2018 6:26 pm

axiom wrote:
727LOVER wrote:
axiom wrote:
WN is now up to 122 daily flights to 43 cities.


TheTPA facebook page says 148 daily flights to 41 cities


FNT is ending, and they may not be counting BOS seasonal service, since it seems unofficial / unannounced. As for the difference in flight numbers, my source was the WN website's City Fscf page, but all the better. That would make TPA one of WN's top ten stations on peak days, I imagine.


Let's do some counting. Using WN's online flight schedule, I picked a random day...Fri June 15

FLL 5
PHX 2
LAS 2
ATL 6
BDL 1
PVD 1
DAL 2
HOU 2
MSY 3
AUS 1
SAT 1
DEN 3
SAN 1
MDW 5
STL 2
MCI 2
IND 3
CMH 2
MKE 1
PIT 2
PHL 1
BNA 4
RDU 2
DCA 2
BWI 7
SDF 1
MEM 1
LGA 2
BUF 1
MHT 1
ISP 1
That's 70 from 31 airports...I checked everything I could think of....what am i missing?
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Re: What's Next For TPA (Route Wise)?--2018

Wed Mar 28, 2018 7:21 pm

727LOVER wrote:
axiom wrote:
727LOVER wrote:

TheTPA facebook page says 148 daily flights to 41 cities


FNT is ending, and they may not be counting BOS seasonal service, since it seems unofficial / unannounced. As for the difference in flight numbers, my source was the WN website's City Fscf page, but all the better. That would make TPA one of WN's top ten stations on peak days, I imagine.


Let's do some counting. Using WN's online flight schedule, I picked a random day...Fri June 15

FLL 5
PHX 2
LAS 2
ATL 6
BDL 1
PVD 1
DAL 2
HOU 2
MSY 3
AUS 1
SAT 1
DEN 3
SAN 1
MDW 5
STL 2
MCI 2
IND 3
CMH 2
MKE 1
PIT 2
PHL 1
BNA 4
RDU 2
DCA 2
BWI 7
SDF 1
MEM 1
LGA 2
BUF 1
MHT 1
ISP 1
That's 70 from 31 airports...I checked everything I could think of....what am i missing?


Peak day is going to be a Saturday in March or April probably. Summer is slow season in TPA, which is why you get that result. You're also missing airports - best to start from that city fact sheeton WN's website.
 
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Re: What's Next For TPA (Route Wise)?--2018

Wed Mar 28, 2018 7:30 pm

727LOVER wrote:
That's 70 from 31 airports...I checked everything I could think of....what am i missing?


ALB, BHM, HAV, and SJU also have daily nonstop service to TPA on WN. On June 15th, ALB will have 1 daily nonstop to TPA on WN, BHM will have 2 daily nonstops to TPA on WN, HAV will have 1 daily nonstop to TPA on WN, and SJU will have 2 daily nonstops to TPA on WN.
 
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Re: What's Next For TPA (Route Wise)?--2018

Wed Mar 28, 2018 7:56 pm

jplatts wrote:
727LOVER wrote:
That's 70 from 31 airports...I checked everything I could think of....what am i missing?


ALB, BHM, HAV, and SJU also have daily nonstop service to TPA on WN. On June 15th, ALB will have 1 daily nonstop to TPA on WN, BHM will have 2 daily nonstops to TPA on WN, HAV will have 1 daily nonstop to TPA on WN, and SJU will have 2 daily nonstops to TPA on WN.


OK...thanx

so that's 76 from 35 cities.
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Re: What's Next For TPA (Route Wise)?--2018

Mon Apr 16, 2018 9:23 pm

TPA just recorded its busiest month ever for the second year in a row. Frontier and Spirit are really on the rise in Tampa (and throughout the country for that matter), and I don't think we've seen expansion like this since Southwest disrupted the market a few decades ago. I think Southwest and Allegiant across the bay at PIE will be affected the most by this competition, but I wonder if the market can sustain all 4 carriers at such levels.

https://www.bizjournals.com/tampabay/ne ... l-for.html

From the article:
"The airport served a record 2,192,602 passengers in March, beating the previous high set in March 2017 by 213,358 passengers — a 10.8 percent jump, the airport said Monday.

Since the 2018 fiscal year began six months ago on Oct. 1, 2017, TIA has served 10,761,239 passengers, soaring 953,684 passengers, or 9.7 percent over the same period the previous year.

Both domestic and international passenger growth drove the strong performance. International passenger travel was up 12.3 percent. Meanwhile, domestic travel rose by 9.6 percent."

On Frontier and Spirit:
"However, it was Frontier Airlines that was the airport’s fastest-growing carrier, with an increase of 116.7 percent, which represented more than double its total number of passengers to 683,776 during this six-month period. The Denver-based, low cost carrier began flying to 11 mostly Midwestern cities out of TIA last year, to bring the total number of routes that the airline services to 18."

"Another low-cost carrier, Spirit Airlines (NASDAQ: SAVE), saw 45.5 percent growth and added six routes to serve 845,942 passengers at TIA over the same period."
 
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Re: What's Next For TPA (Route Wise)?--2018

Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:42 pm

Flyingstump wrote:
TPA just recorded its busiest month ever for the second year in a row. Frontier and Spirit are really on the rise in Tampa (and throughout the country for that matter), and I don't think we've seen expansion like this since Southwest disrupted the market a few decades ago. I think Southwest and Allegiant across the bay at PIE will be affected the most by this competition, but I wonder if the market can sustain all 4 carriers at such levels.

https://www.bizjournals.com/tampabay/ne ... l-for.html

From the article:
"The airport served a record 2,192,602 passengers in March, beating the previous high set in March 2017 by 213,358 passengers — a 10.8 percent jump, the airport said Monday.

Since the 2018 fiscal year began six months ago on Oct. 1, 2017, TIA has served 10,761,239 passengers, soaring 953,684 passengers, or 9.7 percent over the same period the previous year.

Both domestic and international passenger growth drove the strong performance. International passenger travel was up 12.3 percent. Meanwhile, domestic travel rose by 9.6 percent."

On Frontier and Spirit:
"However, it was Frontier Airlines that was the airport’s fastest-growing carrier, with an increase of 116.7 percent, which represented more than double its total number of passengers to 683,776 during this six-month period. The Denver-based, low cost carrier began flying to 11 mostly Midwestern cities out of TIA last year, to bring the total number of routes that the airline services to 18."

"Another low-cost carrier, Spirit Airlines (NASDAQ: SAVE), saw 45.5 percent growth and added six routes to serve 845,942 passengers at TIA over the same period."


I don’t expect to see Spirit’s growth slow down anytime soon. I also expect Sun Country to build a decent sized operation here.
Huge fan of Tampa International Airport
 
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Re: What's Next For TPA (Route Wise)?--2018

Tue Apr 17, 2018 1:13 am

Spirit added a 4th daily TPA-DTW. NK flew 4x MCO/TPA/RSW-DTW this winter, more than any other station.
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