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Corpsnerd09 wrote:OneAA wrote:dfdubflyer wrote:DFW quickly putting those new gates to use with flights to Del Rio and Buffalo!
Del Rio, Buffalo, Sarasota and Wilmington, NC (which will go daily / year round).
DRT = E140 x2
SRQ = CR7 (seasonal)
ILM = CR9 upgraded from Sat only
BUF = 319, Daily
ADrum23 wrote:One thing I would like to see is Norwegian launch DFW-LGW. AA needs some direct competition as I fear the one stop WW/FI won't cut it.
maximairways wrote:Corpsnerd09 wrote:OneAA wrote:Del Rio, Buffalo, Sarasota and Wilmington, NC (which will go daily / year round).
DRT = E140 x2
SRQ = CR7 (seasonal)
ILM = CR9 upgraded from Sat only
BUF = 319, Daily
Where was this announced?
maximairways wrote:Corpsnerd09 wrote:OneAA wrote:Del Rio, Buffalo, Sarasota and Wilmington, NC (which will go daily / year round).
DRT = E140 x2
SRQ = CR7 (seasonal)
ILM = CR9 upgraded from Sat only
BUF = 319, Daily
Where was this announced?
Corpsnerd09 wrote:OneAA wrote:dfdubflyer wrote:DFW quickly putting those new gates to use with flights to Del Rio and Buffalo!
Del Rio, Buffalo, Sarasota and Wilmington, NC (which will go daily / year round).
DRT = E140 x2
SRQ = CR7 (seasonal)
ILM = CR9 upgraded from Sat only
BUF = 319, Daily
itchief wrote:The cost charged for riding DART will never pay for this light rail line.
These stand-alone ERs are pretty shady, but I think having one at DFW will do some good long term.Code 3 ER calls their new emergency room facility the first actual ER on an airport's property anywhere around the globe.
Lemieux wrote:Just driving past D terminal and saw a WOW 321 parked where Qantas 8 usually sits, did they downgauge this permanently or is this just a one off?
mfe777 wrote:Norwegian 3x-4x per week to LGW is a no brainer if they have available planes. BCN would be more interesting though.
dfdubflyer wrote:It appears the inaugural DFW-KEF on American served as the launch of a nonstop to Bangor tonight due to an unplanned pit stop. Not sure if fuel or what but it’ll be interesting to see if the 757 has the legs for this
ldvaviation wrote:mfe777 wrote:Norwegian 3x-4x per week to LGW is a no brainer if they have available planes. BCN would be more interesting though.
With fuel prices rising and in their current financial condition, highly unlikely.
dfdubflyer wrote:It appears the inaugural DFW-KEF on American served as the launch of a nonstop to Bangor tonight due to an unplanned pit stop. Not sure if fuel or what but it’ll be interesting to see if the 757 has the legs for this
mfe777 wrote:ldvaviation wrote:mfe777 wrote:Norwegian 3x-4x per week to LGW is a no brainer if they have available planes. BCN would be more interesting though.
With fuel prices rising and in their current financial condition, highly unlikely.
If the route was able to pull in higher yields than their other destinations, then it wouldn't be so unlikely. For example, their route to Austin has low fares, dipping down into the $400-500 range roundtrip. Even BA is offering cheap $600-800 RT fares quite often on the AUS-London route. Nobody is making money here. On the other hand, Dallas-London nonstop fares on AA/BA range from $2,000-$4,000 this month, level out at $1400-1500, and dip down to $1,229 at the end of this year for advance purchase. There is money to be made on DFW-London nonstop. Even if they undercut AA/BA by $500, Norwegian would still be getting a healthy fare.
AAtakeMeAway wrote:dfdubflyer wrote:It appears the inaugural DFW-KEF on American served as the launch of a nonstop to Bangor tonight due to an unplanned pit stop. Not sure if fuel or what but it’ll be interesting to see if the 757 has the legs for this
It looks like WOW also diverted to Bangor yesterday.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/WOW192
FriscoHeavy wrote:mfe777 wrote:ldvaviation wrote:
With fuel prices rising and in their current financial condition, highly unlikely.
If the route was able to pull in higher yields than their other destinations, then it wouldn't be so unlikely. For example, their route to Austin has low fares, dipping down into the $400-500 range roundtrip. Even BA is offering cheap $600-800 RT fares quite often on the AUS-London route. Nobody is making money here. On the other hand, Dallas-London nonstop fares on AA/BA range from $2,000-$4,000 this month, level out at $1400-1500, and dip down to $1,229 at the end of this year for advance purchase. There is money to be made on DFW-London nonstop. Even if they undercut AA/BA by $500, Norwegian would still be getting a healthy fare.
Preeeetty sure BA is making money on AUS-LHR. They've upguaged the flight to a 747 this summer. Things are going well there and money is being made.
Longhornmaniac wrote:FriscoHeavy wrote:mfe777 wrote:
If the route was able to pull in higher yields than their other destinations, then it wouldn't be so unlikely. For example, their route to Austin has low fares, dipping down into the $400-500 range roundtrip. Even BA is offering cheap $600-800 RT fares quite often on the AUS-London route. Nobody is making money here. On the other hand, Dallas-London nonstop fares on AA/BA range from $2,000-$4,000 this month, level out at $1400-1500, and dip down to $1,229 at the end of this year for advance purchase. There is money to be made on DFW-London nonstop. Even if they undercut AA/BA by $500, Norwegian would still be getting a healthy fare.
Preeeetty sure BA is making money on AUS-LHR. They've upguaged the flight to a 747 this summer. Things are going well there and money is being made.
This is a virtual certainty, but I'd imagine their yields are absolutely trash down the back with Norwegian tanking that market segment. Up front, though, and down below, BA is doing quite well.
Longhornmaniac wrote:FriscoHeavy wrote:mfe777 wrote:
If the route was able to pull in higher yields than their other destinations, then it wouldn't be so unlikely. For example, their route to Austin has low fares, dipping down into the $400-500 range roundtrip. Even BA is offering cheap $600-800 RT fares quite often on the AUS-London route. Nobody is making money here. On the other hand, Dallas-London nonstop fares on AA/BA range from $2,000-$4,000 this month, level out at $1400-1500, and dip down to $1,229 at the end of this year for advance purchase. There is money to be made on DFW-London nonstop. Even if they undercut AA/BA by $500, Norwegian would still be getting a healthy fare.
Preeeetty sure BA is making money on AUS-LHR. They've upguaged the flight to a 747 this summer. Things are going well there and money is being made.
This is a virtual certainty, but I'd imagine their yields are absolutely trash down the back with Norwegian tanking that market segment. Up front, though, and down below, BA is doing quite well.
mfe777 wrote:
Does anyone know how long the 747 is staying at DFW? I know it is probably going back to 777 for awhile.
dfdubflyer wrote:Cool article from DMN today on the top routes from DFW and DAL... not new routes but gives us an idea (however imperfect the metric) of the most revenue-producing routes.
https://www.dallasnews.com/business/air ... xas-top-10
mfe777 wrote:dfdubflyer wrote:Cool article from DMN today on the top routes from DFW and DAL... not new routes but gives us an idea (however imperfect the metric) of the most revenue-producing routes.
https://www.dallasnews.com/business/air ... xas-top-10
I'm very surprised that the Dallas-Sydney route at one daily does more revenue than the DFW-LHR route at 4-5 times daily. That's impressive. Good for QF!
Noticeably absent from Love Field's top 10 is Houston, where Southwest operates 20 daily flights to Hobby Airport. While OAG didn't have a specific explanation for why the route didn't make the cut, the short distance traveled and comparatively low price -- one-way tickets regularly go for as low as $99 -- likely played a role.
txjim wrote:Great article, thanks for the link. What struck me was in regards to WN DAL-HOU flights:Noticeably absent from Love Field's top 10 is Houston, where Southwest operates 20 daily flights to Hobby Airport. While OAG didn't have a specific explanation for why the route didn't make the cut, the short distance traveled and comparatively low price -- one-way tickets regularly go for as low as $99 -- likely played a role.
Makes me wonder why Southwest keeps up the number of flights and why they are fighting high-speed rail so much. Seems to me they can better use the limited gate space on other routes.
mfe777 wrote:dfdubflyer wrote:Cool article from DMN today on the top routes from DFW and DAL... not new routes but gives us an idea (however imperfect the metric) of the most revenue-producing routes.
https://www.dallasnews.com/business/air ... xas-top-10
I'm very surprised that the Dallas-Sydney route at one daily does more revenue than the DFW-LHR route at 4-5 times daily. That's impressive. Good for QF!
osupoke07 wrote:mfe777 wrote:dfdubflyer wrote:Cool article from DMN today on the top routes from DFW and DAL... not new routes but gives us an idea (however imperfect the metric) of the most revenue-producing routes.
https://www.dallasnews.com/business/air ... xas-top-10
I'm very surprised that the Dallas-Sydney route at one daily does more revenue than the DFW-LHR route at 4-5 times daily. That's impressive. Good for QF!
Length of the route, route monopoly, alliance partner at both ends, and the capacity of the A380 clearly showing its strength here. Plus, there are so many seats going to LHR from all over the US which probably depress prices just enough to drop the LHR route to where it is.
william wrote:txjim wrote:Great article, thanks for the link. What struck me was in regards to WN DAL-HOU flights:Noticeably absent from Love Field's top 10 is Houston, where Southwest operates 20 daily flights to Hobby Airport. While OAG didn't have a specific explanation for why the route didn't make the cut, the short distance traveled and comparatively low price -- one-way tickets regularly go for as low as $99 -- likely played a role.
Makes me wonder why Southwest keeps up the number of flights and why they are fighting high-speed rail so much. Seems to me they can better use the limited gate space on other routes.
Southwest is not fighting High Speed Rail anymore. They did back in the 80s from DFW area to Houston. Now, not so much.
Sooner787 wrote:mfe777 wrote:dfdubflyer wrote:Cool article from DMN today on the top routes from DFW and DAL... not new routes but gives us an idea (however imperfect the metric) of the most revenue-producing routes.
https://www.dallasnews.com/business/air ... xas-top-10
I'm very surprised that the Dallas-Sydney route at one daily does more revenue than the DFW-LHR route at 4-5 times daily. That's impressive. Good for QF!
Our QF rep visited recently and said they have no plans on replacing their 380's with B789's on the DFW-SYD flights cause they making
a mint , especially since the 380 has F cabin.
mfe777 wrote:Lemieux wrote:Just driving past D terminal and saw a WOW 321 parked where Qantas 8 usually sits, did they downgauge this permanently or is this just a one off?
Not sure, seems like it would be technically impossible to use a 321 without a fuel stop, but I do know that the A330 flight from KEF-DFW on Monday was outright cancelled after the A330 experienced a technical issue on the runway before takeoff. Passengers were taken back to the terminal and rerouted through other hubs. They could be down an A330 for maintenance. They only have 3 A330s.
LH658 wrote:
Eva Air sends a bus from IAH - Dallas - IAH.
mfe777 wrote:LH658 wrote:
Eva Air sends a bus from IAH - Dallas - IAH.
They need to send a plane TPE-DFW haha. Or China Airlines.
william wrote:txjim wrote:Great article, thanks for the link. What struck me was in regards to WN DAL-HOU flights:Noticeably absent from Love Field's top 10 is Houston, where Southwest operates 20 daily flights to Hobby Airport. While OAG didn't have a specific explanation for why the route didn't make the cut, the short distance traveled and comparatively low price -- one-way tickets regularly go for as low as $99 -- likely played a role.
Makes me wonder why Southwest keeps up the number of flights and why they are fighting high-speed rail so much. Seems to me they can better use the limited gate space on other routes.
Southwest is not fighting High Speed Rail anymore. They did back in the 80s from DFW area to Houston. Now, not so much.
txjim wrote:Great article, thanks for the link. What struck me was in regards to WN DAL-HOU flights:Noticeably absent from Love Field's top 10 is Houston, where Southwest operates 20 daily flights to Hobby Airport. While OAG didn't have a specific explanation for why the route didn't make the cut, the short distance traveled and comparatively low price -- one-way tickets regularly go for as low as $99 -- likely played a role.
Makes me wonder why Southwest keeps up the number of flights and why they are fighting high-speed rail so much. Seems to me they can better use the limited gate space on other routes.
jplatts wrote:txjim wrote:Great article, thanks for the link. What struck me was in regards to WN DAL-HOU flights:Noticeably absent from Love Field's top 10 is Houston, where Southwest operates 20 daily flights to Hobby Airport. While OAG didn't have a specific explanation for why the route didn't make the cut, the short distance traveled and comparatively low price -- one-way tickets regularly go for as low as $99 -- likely played a role.
Makes me wonder why Southwest keeps up the number of flights and why they are fighting high-speed rail so much. Seems to me they can better use the limited gate space on other routes.
According to the DOT Domestic Consumer Airfare Report, there was an average of 1746 passengers per day traveling between DAL and HOU (both directions included) in 2016 and there was an average of 1549 passengers per day traveling between DAL and HOU (both directions included) in 2017. WN has enough room to carry an average of at least 5352 passengers a day on its DAL-HOU nonstops (both directions included) on weekdays. The actual O&D on WN's DAL-HOU nonstops is also on average only taking up approximately 33% of the maximum capacity.
I agree that WN can better use the limited gate space at DAL on other routes such as DAL-BUF, DAL-CVG, and DAL-CLE. I also agree that WN doesn't need as many DAL-HOU nonstops as it did in the past since the Wright Amendment has been repealed, since there is more than enough room to accommodate the O&D demand with fewer DAL-HOU nonstops, since WN has retired its 737-500 planes, since WN is operating the bigger 737-800 and 737 MAX 8 planes on some of its DAL-HOU nonstops, since WN is still expanding domestically at HOU, and since passengers can already travel to any WN destination outside of Texas and Arkansas from HOU on WN without connecting at DAL.
ChuckSchumer wrote:Interesting sight I saw earlier. Two Qantas A380s and a parked Emirates 777-300ER. Wonder what's up with the parked birds?
Antarius wrote:Gotta wonder how severe the mechanical issues are considering the extent of the delays for both aircraft.ChuckSchumer wrote:Interesting sight I saw earlier. Two Qantas A380s and a parked Emirates 777-300ER. Wonder what's up with the parked birds?
The parked bird is the yesterday (7/15) QF8 aircraft. Appears to have been delayed to tonight.
DFW ESTIMATED TIME OF DEPARTURE 2350 ☨1
ESTIMATED TIME OF ARRIVAL 0745 ☨1 SYD
The EK bird is the 222 departure for 7/15 that has been delayed by 2 days to 7/17.
EF isn't showing any useful data on why they were delayed. Both were delayed repeatedly, so I assume MX.
ChuckSchumer wrote:Antarius wrote:Gotta wonder how severe the mechanical issues are considering the extent of the delays for both aircraft.ChuckSchumer wrote:Interesting sight I saw earlier. Two Qantas A380s and a parked Emirates 777-300ER. Wonder what's up with the parked birds?
The parked bird is the yesterday (7/15) QF8 aircraft. Appears to have been delayed to tonight.
DFW ESTIMATED TIME OF DEPARTURE 2350 ☨1
ESTIMATED TIME OF ARRIVAL 0745 ☨1 SYD
The EK bird is the 222 departure for 7/15 that has been delayed by 2 days to 7/17.
EF isn't showing any useful data on why they were delayed. Both were delayed repeatedly, so I assume MX.
No useful information on the Qantas Source or EK Source unfortunately.
dfwjim1 wrote:I read (can't recall where) last year that DFW airport was having issues with the homeless who were riding DART to the Airport and then hanging out around the station and terminal areas. Has this issue been addressed by DFW and DART authorities?
ChuckSchumer wrote:
I took these pictures of the E satellite from Skylink this past weekend. Are they beginning the renovations of the E satellite for American?
Midway737 wrote:that what i heard. American adding more gates
AA737-823 wrote:Midway737 wrote:that what i heard. American adding more gates
Actually, American Eagle.
They're doubling the number of gates, I believe, and it'll be an ERJ haven.
Kind of like it was back in the last few years of Delta ops, with about a zillion CRJ's parked anywhere you could find a square of concrete!
At least now, there will be jet bridges. That's better than walking outside on those 110 degree days.
